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>free will

>> No.11270527
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11270527

>lutheran predestination

>> No.11270536

*reads sam harris once*

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11270548

>the greatest good for the greatest number

>> No.11270655

>>11270536
Kek its sad to see people believin there is no free will just because "SCIENCE AND BIOLOGY CAN EXPLAIN EVERYTHING HURR DURR"

>> No.11270657

looks like we got a kid who just discovered sam harris and thinks he knows everything.

>> No.11270665

>>11270655
There is no free will though

>> No.11270682

>>11270665
So sad you're choosing to think that

>> No.11270683

>>11270665
Why do you believe that?

>> No.11270686

>>11270683
It's what he wants to believe

>> No.11270688

>>11270683
>>11270682
You are claiming that it does exist; you need to prove that before I need to disprove it

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>>11270688
Without freewill we can't seek God's mercy. Your move creep

>> No.11270699

>>11270688
confirmed for hitchens-tier pseud

>> No.11270702

>>11270688
That's not how burden of proof works, bub. Having free will is an innate part of subjective human experience, you're the one who needs to prove that we don't have free will since you're asserting something that goes against every single persons experience of being.

>> No.11270703

>>11270688
Autism

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>>11270688

>> No.11270784

>>11270704
>>11270703
>>11270699
seething

>> No.11270861

>>11270688
>starts a thread saying free will does not exist
Why do you believe that?
>uh uh your claim brah you tell me.
wtf are you smoking? Can we not have a discussion? What lead you to believe there is no free will?

>> No.11270965

>>11270861
>come on, dude, science told me so

>> No.11270968

>>11270688
sorry but your new-atheist sleight of hand doesn't work here

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>>11270509
>sam harris
Who cares about this hippie fuck?
If you cant figure out how retarded the idea of "free will" is by yourself, you are a certified brainlet.

>> No.11270983

>>11270981
Free will is something people chose not to have

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>>11270509
>Incompatabilism

>> No.11271043

>>11270509
>>11270527
>>11270536
>>11270548
>>11270655
>>11270657
>>11270665
>>11270682
>>11270686
>>11270688
>>11270699
>>11270703
>>11270704
>>11270784
>>11270965
>>11270968
>>11270981
>>11270983
>>11271002
So this is the power of /lit.

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11271045

>objective reality

>> No.11271049

>>11270688
>muh burden of proof
kek

>> No.11271050

Ikr

>> No.11271057

>>11270983
The act of choosing not to have it is an exercise of will, brainlet

>> No.11271070

>>11270686
>>11270983
>>11271057
This is a silly sidestep of the issue. It's not whether you believe it or not, determinism would say that you do not choose your choices. It's not an argument, it's childish wordplay.

>> No.11271078

>>11271070
It's just metaphysical gibberish, you cannot prove neither free will and determinism, proving things is also overrated

>> No.11271086

>>11271078
Do you think metaphysics has any practical impact?

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>>11270509
>determinism

>> No.11271117

Free will doesn't exist because God controls all events

>> No.11271135

>>11271117
That should only be your mentality if you think God is against your free will

>> No.11271147

>>11271135
How would a god exist but not know the outcome of your choice?

>> No.11271260

>>11271117
People have free agency to make real choices, but they are not always free from God's influence

>> No.11271272

*gets banned*

>> No.11271302

>>11271070
Some people will always choose not to believe in free will. Others have no choice but to fulfil their destiny by arguing against them in favour of free will

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>>11270509
>determinism
>in an atheist universe with no agency to determine anything

>> No.11271324

One way or the other, you have to live as if free will existed, so I don't get why people get so obsessed with convincing others that it doesn't.

>> No.11271370

>>11271086
No, thats why i said it

>> No.11271436

>>11271324
Not op
I don't and it sucks so others should too.

>> No.11271444

>>11271324
Yeah right? Such a pointless debate

>> No.11271799

>>11270509
The only thing that could have free will is God/ the Void. True free will contradicts everything we know about causality. If everything is determined, or if most is determined and some is random, where does freedom come from? People only force their belief in free will because it would depress them or hurt their faith in their particular God. No one who believes in free will understands what it is or how it operates.