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can you imagine reading this shit before the time of the internet? wtf lol

>> No.11268483

I wouldnt know about him without the internet

>> No.11268485

no i literally cant aha i dont remember a time before the internet lol

>> No.11268527

seriously though, we've all read it, but who has reread it? what becomes clear after the first reading?

>> No.11268563

>>11268527
>>11268527
>/lit/
>"we've all read it"
possibly the most untrue statement of the day

>> No.11268622

>>11268527
Lmao, nobody's going to trick me into reading that shit.

>> No.11268623

>>11268464

Imagine WRITING that before the Internet. Pinecone must have lived in a library

>> No.11268629

>>11268485
You have to be 18 to post here, anon

>> No.11268641

>>11268623
I member hearing Pinecone has researchers, atleast for Against the Day. Not sure if he had anyone for GR.

>> No.11268646

/lit/ would have always been into lisa simpson memes even if al gore hadn't invented the internet

>> No.11268647

So what, he stole everything from Dr. Strangelove anyway

>> No.11268658

>>11268646
what do you mean lisa simpson memes?

>> No.11268667

>>11268658
not him but pynch was in the simpsons

>> No.11268679

>>11268658
lisa has an anxious girl crush on a transfer student who is cooler and smarter than her. her future exwife is reading gravity's rainbow.

>> No.11268682

Remember that this was set in the early 1940s while being published in 1973. So today's equivalent is the "DUDE 80s funny hair, greed, Miami vice LMAO" Reddit tier bullshit.

And bleeding edge exposed him as a Wikipedia skimmer

>> No.11268692

>>11268563
I've read Moby Dick, Recognitions, IJ, etc. etc. and also loved V., but every time I get about ~150 pages into GR I just put it down and think "what the fuck is the point of this." It's happened 3 times already

>> No.11268695

>>11268679
sounds like a recent episode. the contemporary simpsons writing staff are such smug milquetoast liberals. i could see them relishing a pynchon reference.

>> No.11268704

>>11268682
>And bleeding edge exposed him as a Wikipedia skimmer
how?

>> No.11268711

>>11268692
You go into with with the wrong mindset.

>> No.11268712

>>11268695
i haven't watched the simpsons in over a decade and it was an old episode then. i feel like i should be dead by now

>> No.11268713

>>11268682
>And bleeding edge exposed him as a Wikipedia skimmer
Well, yeah. He's the prototypical wikipedia skimmer. He was doing archaic versions of that before there was wikipedia. I mean, like other people pointed out he hires people to research for him and so much of the point of his books are the research.

>> No.11268729

>>11268682
>So today's equivalent is the "DUDE 80s funny hair, greed, Miami vice LMAO" Reddit tier bullshit.
your comment was more reddit tier bullshit than what you described as such.

>> No.11268763

Having recently finished this, I can't help but wonder if the ability to read long stretches of text without a sense of understanding is a skill not unlike say juggling.

>> No.11268791

>>11268527
I read it one and a half times because I couldn't finish the first time. Part 1 was more palatable and I felt the emotions a lot more clearly. I cried in like three scenes and the one fantasy scene where dude fucks his daughter made me both want to throw up and die. A lot of the ideas stood out to me more, like historical and literary interpretation, masculine want of recognition, scientific allegory, sexual metaphor for power, free will and determinism under an increasingly material conception of the world, that type of stuff. You also come to realize that Captain Blicero isn't really a villain, just another victim.

>> No.11268799

>>11268711
>>11268763
Is this the mindset I'm supposed to go into it with? If I liked V. and M&D but not Against the Day am I fucked?

>> No.11268901
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>>11268692
>>11268799
the point of gravity's rainbow is that there is no point. it is, in fact, perhaps the most pointlessly pointed novel which comes to mind. i challenge anyone to come up with a pointed synopsis and/or thesis for GR and i dare say it cannot be done. that is the very essence of what makes it so notably great and memorable. there is no climax, the entire book is one big cartoonish, surreal, abstract kind of fragmented climax. i suppose you could argue that the point at which Slothrop disintegrates and 'can no longer be found' is the climax, but for that to be the climax, you would have to be able to argue that he was real in the first place, and I would find that an impossible argument to make.
TL:DR - fucking love this book, it's my favorite beside Don Quixote

>> No.11268930

>>11268901
Thanks, I'll read Don Quixote again this week and throw GR in the trash

>> No.11268954

>>11268930
well that makes me sad but im glad you will be enjoying yet again the tale of the The Knight

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>>11268901
>perhaps the most pointlessly pointed novel which comes to mind.

>> No.11269049

>>11268901
Isn't the climax is literally the last page though?

>> No.11269081

>>11268682
Are you seriously acting like the fact that Gravity's Rainbow has a WWII setting is some kind of revelation to people on here? Is every book set during WWII that was written after the fact "Reddit" now?

>> No.11269098

>>11268713
>he hires people to research for him
I thought that was Joyce.

>> No.11269319

>>11268901
>he was real in the first place,
Wait, what? This is the first time i've heard of this theory. Can you elaborate?

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>>11268622
>>11268647
>>11268682
>>11268692

>> No.11269718
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11269718

I was the one that connected pinecone to the internet

>> No.11269760

>>11269718
he's a big guy

>> No.11270104

>>11269718
>gun
what a nut

>> No.11270130

>>11269760
For you.

>> No.11270241

>>11269319
it's not like "he was a ghost all along" but more like, "the concept of Tyrone Slothrop post-zone is as absurd as pre-zone"

>> No.11270248

>>11270241
>>11269319
(not that anon btw, but to me he didn't have an authentic life because he was more or less another product/experiment and eventually is outdated)

>> No.11270821

>>11269319
Can someone please give a satisfying answer to this?

>> No.11271999

>>11268629
It's not the late 2000's anymore anon. There are people old enough to post here who were born this century

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>>11268563
same goes for
>/lit/
>"we read"

>> No.11272193

I was planning to read this because the synopsis seemed like a fun concept, is it really that complicated ?

>> No.11272271

>>11272193

It's complicated in the only way that literary pseudo intellectuals know. Vague, obfuscatory, boring, half assed philosophy and psychology, lolsorandumb humour

>> No.11272816

>>11272271
lol brainlet detected

>> No.11272889

>>11272271
t. genrefic reader

>> No.11272892

>>11272271
the 115 IQ "reader", everyone

>> No.11272920

No-one ever wants to discuss GR, it just turns into a thread about how its confusing or pointless or cartoonish or whatever. GR is all those things, but still good. Once you get into the rhythm of it, you're in for a real treat. I think the first two chapters are hard to penetrate, but the third is where it hits its stride. Read it, then read it again and realise you what you missed.

>> No.11272940

>>11271999

Don't hurt me no more.

>> No.11274059

>>11272892
the 140 IQ "4chan commenter," everyone
he lacks the subtle folds in his brain that allow me to make excellent posts which put him in his place immediately

sorry to own you like this, son

>> No.11274486

>>11268901
>the point of gravity's rainbow is that there is no point.

That's a point of it at least

>> No.11274496

>>11274059
embarassing lol

try not overreacting to midwits

>> No.11274512

>>11272193
no you just have to read it twice and do a little research (aka go to the wiki).

>> No.11275220

>>11274059
You sound like a complete sperg.

>> No.11275248

>>11274059
*snap*

>> No.11275457

>>11268641
he had Boeing's Operation Paperclip files

>> No.11275478

>>11268763
yes but at least juggling can get you laid

>> No.11275486

>>11268791
>You also come to realize that Captain Blicero isn't really a villain, just another victim.
hadn't considered this but it makes a lot of sense

>> No.11275643

>>11268791
that whole long chapter about the dude fucking his daughter (and whichever other girls weren't his daughter) has got to be the most vivid and intense part of the book. an allegory for just about any of life's hardships and mindfuckery can be found in that chapter alone.

>> No.11275686

>>11272920
When it comes to Pynchon, everyone, including you, talks only about the experience of reading it, but not its contents.
Yawn

>> No.11276932

>>11270821
It doesn't make any sense, the book already knows nothing in it is real

>> No.11277002

>>11275686
It's a pretty straightforward story and most people who want to jerk off to prose just read poetry

>> No.11277015

>>11268658
I think he means Lisa Simpson taste

>> No.11277022

>>11274059
based

>> No.11277059

>>11268527
I've read three Pynchon books, but Gravity's Rainbow is rare to find in my country, so I have not read it yet.

>> No.11277105

>>11277059
just download it bro

>> No.11278526

I don't have anything to say but saw that GR is on the last page so shameless bump

>> No.11278589

>>11268527
I don't understand why people would read Pynchon in order to get a "clear" understanding of the plot. It was basically his intent to make indecipherable work.

>> No.11279258

>>11268901
the plot follows the life cycle of the V2 with Slothrop as analogue for the rocket, Beyond the Zero is the setup and theory behind the rocket, Un Perm'au Casino Hermann Goering is the launch and stage where the engine is burning, ending in brenchluss, In the Zone is the rocket free of the influence of its creators and only abiding by the laws of nature that are currently acting on it ending in the explosion of the bomb, The Counterforce is the dispersal of debris which eventually falls to the earth and comes to rest.

at least thats kind of what i got out of it

>> No.11279279

>>11279258
yea that's accurate

>> No.11279439

>>11268629
How can anyone be this stupid?

>> No.11279848

>>11279258
yeah but this expands beyond the rocket as well. Slothrop's just one thread in the overall plot.

>> No.11279854

>>11268901
Pynchon books are easy af to summarize

>> No.11279861

I’m convinced Pynchon was absolutely hammered the entire time he wrote this book

>> No.11279871

>>11279861
I think he's gone on record saying he doesn't remember the meaning behind some of the passages, possibly because he was on some real fucked up shit lmao

>> No.11279881

>>11279871
It just seems like one of those things where you wake up from a blackout and “oh look I wrote an 800 page novel”

>> No.11279911

>>11269718
1gs in the chat

>> No.11279976

>>11279854
really compelling argument

>> No.11279988

>>11279976
Dude it's just a bunch of people doing stuff at the end of WW2, Pynchon's plots are very simple, his depth lies in his prose.

>> No.11280018

>>11279988
>a bunch of people doing stuff at the end of WW2
so THIS is what the future of jacket synopses looks like

>> No.11280026

>>11268704
If you are familiar in a certain topic and read the Wikipedia page you notice if somethings are off or just bare bones knowledge.

>> No.11280027

>>11280018
It is, and it's just repeated episodes of people discussing or encountering analogies for events that have transpired in the past. You don't go to Slothrop for character development

>> No.11280037

>>11268682
Hitler was an inspired man

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>>11268901
GR, like other Pynchon novels, is about the illusion of understanding and the futility of interpretation.
Jesus /lit/ is fucking pleb now. We actually used to have decent discussion about this novel. Now the most replied to comment in this thread is
>DUDE THE POINT IS THAT THERE IS NO POINT LMAO

>> No.11280388

>>11275686
>I understand it but my thoughts on such are superior to the brainlets here so I'll just let them know that they are so dumb and I am so smart and not contribute to the thread

>> No.11280399

DUDE what if like weed was like people