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Is Spanish literature worth getting into beyond Cervantes?

>> No.11265881

Definitely.

>> No.11265887

>>11265878
Not at all, Cervantes was a fluke. Stick to the golden trio German-English-French and maybe learn Russian if you really must go outside the fold

>> No.11265888

...not.

>> No.11265892

>>11265887
>>11265888
I assume you both know quite a lot about Spanish literature, to make such bold claims.

>> No.11265898

>>11265892
I do I actualy teach Spanish Literature in the University of Madrid, its all worthless

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>>11265898
Something tells me you're lying.

>> No.11265907

>>11265892
i mainly read works of philosophy, so no.
There isn´t even one spanish philosopher to mention. Just switch over to italian writers!

>> No.11265915

>>11265907
Ortega y Gasset

>> No.11265916

>>11265878
Spanish as in from Spain? No. Spanish as in Spanish-language lit? Fuck, yes.

>> No.11265920

>>11265907
Unamuno.

>> No.11265922

>>11265907
>Just switch over to italian writers
Italians: the best philosophers lol

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>>11265907
>i mainly read works of philosophy

>> No.11265924

>>11265916
Recommendations?

>> No.11265926

>>11265922
well do you have a philosopher whose entire oeuvre is him trying to reconcile his homosexuality with his love for christianity?
eh, I thought so

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>>11265915
No need for potty mouth just because you can’t think of one

>> No.11265932

>>11265922
at least i can think of some

>> No.11265937

>>11265926
spanish are machos, italians are just faggots.

>> No.11265944

>>11265924
Borges, dude. He is his own world.

>> No.11265954

>>11265878
Yeah, probably.

>> No.11265958

>>11265924
We were coming up with a chart for literature from spain the other day, check the archived thread >>11250356

>> No.11265961

>>11265958
>check the archived thread >>11250356
>Literally whos

>> No.11265962

>>11265926
thomas aquina was a fag?

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>>11265961
>I'm an ignorant and I'm proud of being an ignorant

>> No.11265975

yes for sure
read De Quevedo

>> No.11265976

>>11265906
The university of Madrid doesn't exist to begin with lmao

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>>11265976
I know

>> No.11265984

>>11265915
Shit
>>11265907
Scholastics (Suarez,Molina,Victoria or Azpilicueta), Zubiri and Bueno are all worth reading

>> No.11265988

>>11265907
nicolas gomez davila?

>> No.11266001

>>11265988
Zubiri and Bueno are amongst the most important ontologists of the XX century. Zubiri was Heidegger's most proliphic successor so /lit/ not knowing him seems weird. But to be fair he influenced theology more than philosophy that has been a shit show since post-structuralism

>> No.11266008

siglos de oro are top tier literature, then everything has gotten progressively shittier and it practically died when franco took over the country and it still hasn't recovered

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>>11265984
>Scholastics

>> No.11266018

>>11266008
as far as fiction goes there's julian rios at least

>> No.11266021

>>11265984
>Azpilicueta
he's a great fullback, too

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>>11266011
>Scholastics
>I drop teleology without justifying it
Leibniz and Kant were heavily influenced by the Spanish Scholastics and Descartes literally plagiarized Pereira

>> No.11266026

>>11266021
And one of the fathers of modern monetary theory. The more you know

>> No.11266028

Bilingual fwb swears that Spanish language poetry is 10000x better than English language poetry but she's accidentally revealed herself as a brainlet in the past so idk

>> No.11266029

>>11266008
There's some good Post-Civil War stuff desu
Cela's non-shit novels, Goytisolo, Delibes, Laforet's Nada, Tiempo de silencio, etc.
In fact the worst century for Spanish literature, by far, was the XVIIIth century,

>> No.11266031

>>11266028
Spanish Barroque poetry is pretty fucking good. Espronceda and Becquer are good as well and 1927 generation poetry is top tier as well

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>disclaimer: kant actually looked like this

>> No.11266041

>>11266028
Lorca's poetry alone is worth learning Spanish for, and there are plenty of other fantastic poets in Spain alone

>> No.11266047

>>11266029
>was the XVIIIth century
It was just copying whatever the fuck France did because Borbon autism. Until naturalism Spain didn't get to a literature of its own after Barroque

>> No.11266051

>>11266031
>Spanish Barroque poetry is pretty fucking good.
so Góngora pretty much, and is there anybody else worth mentioning?

>> No.11266064

>>11266051
Quevedo and the mistics are great poets

>> No.11266082 [DELETED] 

>>11266051
Jorge Manrique, Garcilaso de la Vega, Fray Luis de León, San Juan de la Cruz, Santa Teresa de Jesús, Quevedo, Lope de Vega, Sor Juana, Bécquer, Rosalía de Castro (Most of her poetry is in galician and also really good), José de Espronceda, Rafael Alberti, Lorca, Salinas, Cernuda, Juan Ramón Jimenez (Whose poetry got him the nobel price), Antonio Machado, Miguel Hernández, Gil de Biedma

These are all fantastic, and there are many, many more

>> No.11266086

Spanish is an uncivilised language for simple brutes.

>> No.11266118

>>11266082
i meant baroque not everybody

>> No.11266127

>>11266118
bit embarrassed I'll admit

>> No.11266128

>>11266064
are any of the mistics baroque? i could only find Mary of Jesus of Ágreda mentioned as baroque and i have no idea who she is desu

>> No.11266134

>>11265878
are there any other countries whose cultural value was surpassed by their colonies?

i think portugal are still holding their own, but spain's canon has been definitively BTFO by hispanophone america

>> No.11266142

>>11266134
Britain, definitely

>> No.11266148

>>11266134
>spain's canon has been definitively BTFO by hispanophone america
How? The Spanish XVII alone has more value than the entirity of Latin American literature

>> No.11266150

>>11266142
by whom? amerimutts?

>> No.11266151

No.
Don Quixote is the beginning and the end of spanish literature

>> No.11266154

>>11266150
Considering that their culture has colonised the entire world I'd certainly say so.

>> No.11266155

>>11266128
San Juan de La Cruz is pretty good if you are catholic. The same goes for Santa Teresa

>> No.11266157

>>11266134
>>11266148
i mean i can see both sides, but the last 100 years in Spain have been kind of a joke either way

>> No.11266161

>>11266157
Bitch 27 is great

>> No.11266163

>>11266154
cultural spread is not cultural value

>> No.11266172

>>11266157
>last 100 years in Spain have been kind of a joke
Generación del 89,generación del 17,generación del 27,Cela,Delibes,Bueno.. How is it a joke? Probably the best literature in Spanish was written in the last 100 years by Spanish authors and Cela is certainly a top 3 Spanish prose writter of the last 100 years

>> No.11266173

>>11266161
eh, i can see poetry sort of, but nothing that special in prose, and the civil war just left desolation either way

>> No.11266176

>>11266163
Cultural value is an absolute spook that can't be measured.
I'd sacrifice everything ever written in south america for Lorca, but that doesn't mean shit

>> No.11266178

>>11266163
When it comes to literature yes it is

>> No.11266184

>>11266148
and the latin american XX alone has more value than most iberian literature since cervantes

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>>11266172
i like Cela but i'm not sure i'd say top 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AWHggXbE4I

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>>11266176
>Cultural value is an absolute spook that can't be measured.

>> No.11266195

>>11266173
It's not like any other place in the planet has produced such high quality prose and in such quantities as latin america since the 1940s

>> No.11266199

>>11266176
by that standard culture is a spook too, so cultural spread is as meaningless as cultural value

>> No.11266205

>>11266193
>>11266199
You can't measure how good a movie objectively is, you can measure how many people have watched it around the globe

>> No.11266208

>>11266205
>You can't measure how good a movie objectively is

Wrong, I can

>> No.11266210

>>11266195
i guess latinamerica trumps us just by sheer numbers too, there's only so much you can do with much less manpower

>> No.11266215

>>11266208
S-sorry to have crossed you Ebert-sama

>> No.11266230

>>11266173
>but nothing that special in prose,
Cela and Delibes were amongst the best Spanish speaking writters of the last century. Both are certainly amongst the top 10 Spanish writers of the century
>>11266184
Give a fucking break. Baltasar Gracian is probably the second best writer in Spanish since Cervantes,Quevedo,Gongora and Calderón alone are better poets and theatre writters than anything that has come out of LATAM, Perez Galdós,Espronceda and Alas Clarín are definetly the best writters in Spanish of the XIX century. Juan Ramón Jimenez,Machado,Unamuno, Pio Baroja,Lorca,Alberti,Delibes,Hernandez,Delibes or Cela are amongst the best writters in Spanish in the XX century. No Spanish literature teacher would take your opinion seriously as the Criticón on its own is better than anything that has come out of LATAM.

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>Everyone always forgets my boy Luis Martín-Santos
IT'S NOT FAIR

>> No.11266250

>>11266210
Latin America has only trumped Spain recently only in prose. Spanish poetry and theatre/movie writters are still miles ahead of anything that has come out of LATAM.

>> No.11266256

>>11266230
what's the best Espronceda? did he write stuff that wasn't normie-core like "la cancion del pirata"?

>> No.11266261

>>11266250
i mean does people even write theater anymore

>> No.11266267

>>11265944
I've had him recommenced quite often. Thanks, anon.
By the way, is that you, Garrido?

>> No.11266270

>>11266256
Espronceda is meh. Zorrilla and Becquer pretty good though

>> No.11266273

>>11266029
>Cela's non-shit novels
Which ones are those? I liked La Familia de Pascual Duarte, and I'm planning on reading La Colmena.

>> No.11266277

>>11266261
TV Guionists and shitty musicals are their succesors I guess. Spanish TV series specially those financed by Moviestar shit on anything coming out of LATAM. A TV series like Peste or Conquistadores are of really high quality but this belongs on /tv/

>> No.11266278

From the 20th century Cela (The Beehive, The Family of Pascual Duarte) and Delibes are both worth reading. Also Sender

>> No.11266284

>>11266256
I liked El Estudiante de Salamanca, mainly because it's pretty spooky and I love the descriptions of ancient cities at night.

>> No.11266289

>>11266029
goytisolo is anti spain terrorist trash and should be avoided, or read to see what neo-black legend writers are up to

>> No.11266291

>>11266273
Those are both really good. Later in his life he tried (and failed, in my opinion) to adapt to the newest trends, which resulted in hot unreadable messes like Oficio de tinieblas 5

>> No.11266297

>>11266284
ah yes, i forgot about that one, a really great unredeemed Don Juan

>> No.11266334

>>11265887
>German

Fucking lol. Those barbarians can't think worth a damn

>> No.11266347

>>11265887
>German
Philosophyfags need to stop confusing their dry tracts for literature.

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>>11266334
>>11266347

>> No.11266364

>>11266347
Their philosophy is literature as it is based on the most absurd of idealism aka fantasies. All German philosophers since Kant are practically sci-fi writters

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>>11266364
aren't sci-fi philosophers the best philosophers though?

>> No.11266488

any decent spanish writers in the last 20-30 years?

>> No.11266491

>>11266157
yeah nah

>> No.11266494

>>11266491
nah is in it is not a a joke, or as in it was always a joke?

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>>11266364
> All German philosophers since Kant are practically sci-fi writters

Heh.. and there's philosophy that isn't?

>> No.11266528

>>11266488
Eduardo Mendoza is pretty fun, good luck finding a translation of his stuff though

>> No.11266977

>>11266086
Says the one who speaks a language without any clear vowel pronounciation. "Love" could be said grrrrrrosioryhs for all they care.

>> No.11267063

>>11266086
English is a language for brainlets; one of the easiest to learn and use tongues in the world.

>> No.11267072

>>11265958
Thanks, buddy.

>> No.11267092

>>11266041
Which one of Lorca's books would you recommend the most? I can decide between Poeta en Nueva York or Romancero Gitano.

>> No.11267181

>>11267092
I personally like Romancero Gitano because of its themes, but you should eventually read both. Poeta en Nueva York is much more strongly influenced by Surrealism, whilst Romancero is influenced by traditional songs and poetry.
Also, don't forget about his plays. They're fantastic.

>> No.11268173

>>11265988
He's a hundred percent cachaco though

>>11265907
The virgin philosopher vs the chad theologian

>>11265878
Yes but you need to know spanish

>> No.11268234

>>11265916
Cid, Juan de La Cruz, Fray Luis de Leon, Lope de Vega, Calderon de la Barca, Tirso de Molina, Espronceda, Antonio Machado, Unamuno, Lorca, Cernuda, Aleixandre, Guillen, and so many others...

>> No.11268262

>>11267092
You should read an anthology.

>>11267181
He should read an anthology. It's always the best way to start with a poet, in my opinion. You get a good glimpse of his development and learn the stuff for which he is most famous.

>> No.11268283

>>11265878
Wasnt he the guy Voltaire made fun of?

>> No.11268328

>>11266028
Where so i start with spanish poetry?, keep im in mind im a poetry pleb

>> No.11268342

>>11268234
Lorca is shit, gimme some Pio Baroja and Javier Marias

>> No.11268350

>>11268173
>He's a hundred percent cachaco though

i think foreigners would understand davila betterr if they knew he arrived a his conclusions out of pure cachaco excepcionalism and spite, davila's work is just a bunch of pretty quotes

>> No.11268383

>>11266364
Literature written by autists, not very compelling

>> No.11268516

I've read Don Quixote and loved it but I don't think I appreciate it fully, can someone rec me any secondary lit?

>> No.11269228
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Baltasar Gracián
Spanish Machiavelli

>> No.11269613

>>11268350
t. costeño
Cachaco masterrace

>> No.11269744

>>11266230
zzz

>> No.11269873

dude wtf
Pablo Neruda
Nicanor Parra
Vicente Huidobro
Gabriel Garcia-Marquez
Jorge Luis Borges
Julio Cortazar

>> No.11269897

>>11268328
Gongora and Quevedo

Lorca and Alberti if you want something more recent

>> No.11270115

>>11269228
He was a proto-existentialist.

>> No.11270121

>>11269897
>Gongora and Quevedo
This is like asking saying to a virgin to start sex with a 10 inch cock through the ass

>> No.11270134

>>11269873
Pablo Neruda is shit, I own an anthology of his works compiled by himself and I couldn't get through it.

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>>11269873
>Gabriel Garcia-Marquez

>> No.11270284

>>11269228
he was literally the opposite of Machiavelli. the first thing he ever wrote a critique of Machiavelli called the hero.

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>>11266334

>> No.11271629

I tried Quevedo's prose but I crashed against a wall fairly quickly. Should I keep on trying, hoping it goes easier on me, or should I just give it up?

>> No.11271652

>>11270134
He is famous because he was a sjw that saved commies during the Pinochet regime

>> No.11271720

>>11265937
T. Spanitard

>> No.11271965

>>11271629
Is Spanish your first language?

>> No.11272612

>>11269744
*snap*

>> No.11272631

>>11271629
just try Baltasar Gracian, that should be simple to follow

>> No.11272865

>>11271965
Yeah, but the rhetoric turned me away. I'm not very proud of that, though.

>> No.11274323

>>11265907
Séneca

>> No.11274686

>>11270134
do Borges now. what about him?

>> No.11275259

Today I read the episode where DQ and Sancho are at the duke and duchess' castle in part 2. For a classic Don Quixote is very funny.

>> No.11275537

>>11265907
Santayana :^)

>> No.11275853

>>11265907
So are you going to pick a philosophy and live it or are you going to just browse the whole time?

>> No.11275906

I’m pretty a lot of the best post modern epics today are being written by Spanish authors and once translated to English always become modern classics in that genre by fans.

>> No.11276552

>>11275906
Could you name a few examples?

>> No.11276980

Miguel Hernández is the greatest poet in Spanish in the XXth century and has not even been mentioned in this thread

>> No.11276989

>>11276980
Might trigger the /pol/ types

>> No.11276991

>>11276989
His non-political ouvre is his best anyway

>> No.11277777

>>11275906
name 1

>> No.11277778

>>11277777
dem digits

>> No.11277783

>>11276980
>>11276989
>>11276991
what's a good poem by him? first results in google just turned up a bunch of normie pandering shit

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>>11269613
n-no u

>> No.11278168

>>11277783
What the fuck does that even mean? holy retard

>> No.11278200

EEEEEEEEE, BUENOS DIAS, TACOS

>> No.11278209

>>11278168
it means it's shit that could be put in any random cocacola or rebook advertisement, give me something of substance from the guy, i know you can do it

>> No.11278267

>>11278209
You appear to be predisposed against him already for some reason, so anything I give you is just going to turn into ammunition for stroking your own ego and reaffirming your position. If you are really interested, do your research. Otherwise fuck off.

>> No.11278268

>>11277824
colombian fags?

>> No.11278320

>>11278267
i'm not against anybody though

>> No.11278671

>>11265887
>maybe learn Russian

No, learn Italian or Latin instead

t. Russian

>> No.11278850

>>11277824
jasjaja negro

>>11278268
fuck off gringo

>> No.11278885

>>11278671
Russian is a pretty disgusting-sounding language.

>> No.11278890

>>11278850
I'm not gringo, I'm paisa gonorrea ome

>> No.11278903

>>11269873
Kill yourself

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>>11278850
>>11278890
Pero enserio amigos, los costeños son los portadores de la verdadera tradición española y por lo tanto la raza maestra jaja

>> No.11279259

>>11265878
I'm Spanish. Spanish literature is subpar but we really shine in the poetry department.

>> No.11279274

>>11265878
Cervantes = Noble

>> No.11279360

>>11279204
obvio negro

>> No.11279541

>>11270153
ive never read 100 years of solitude but his other writings from the 1950's remind me a bit of phillip k dick but a bit more more morbid and depressing.

>> No.11279547

>>11279541
>What's tranny porn?

>> No.11279777

>>11279259
??? Poetry is literature.

>> No.11280662

>>11266230
>No mention of Bolaño
qué tripa hue

>> No.11280671

>>11266360
It's hilarious that if you take away German Jews, which I think we can all agree is fair, German intellectual accomplishments shrink to zero

>> No.11280745

>>11279259
Who are your favorites and in which order do you recommend them? I've never been too into poetry but I've been trying to finally get around to reading some. So far I've read Becquer and Antonio Machado, both of whom I have greatly enjoyed.