/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11263513]

Post some writers/intellectuals that lost their virginity really late or never did.

Althusser at 30.
Franzen at 24.
Andy Warhol died a virgin.
Thoreau died a virgin.
Newton died a virgin.
Nietzsche died a virgin.
Kierkegaard died a virgin.
Fernando Pessoa died a virgin.
Hans Christian Andersen died a virgin.
Joseph Cornell died a virgin.
John Keats died a virgin.
Henry James died a virgin.
Henry Cavendish died a virgin.


Me (23): I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people. They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.

[Anonymous No.11263515]

>>11263513
>Andy Warhol died a virgin.
no way he didn't bone Nico

[Anonymous No.11263519]

>>11263513
>They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.
thats just your autism lad

[Anonymous No.11263529]

>>11263513
24 isn't really all that late

[Anonymous No.11263540]

>>11263513
Kant almost certainly died a virgin

[Anonymous No.11263556]

warhol didn’t die a virgin

[Anonymous No.11263568]

>>11263513
Robert Walser died a virgin.
Yeats lost it in his late 20s I think.

Also Andy Warhol had relationships

[Anonymous No.11263575]

>>11263513
>Andy Warhol died a virgin.
Um, his anus certainly wasn't virginal anymore...

>Nietzsche died a virgin.
Sure, bro, he just got syphilis from taking a smell at a bunch of roses...

You collect your informations from the "Churchy type's book of devoted renunciation", don't you?

[Anonymous No.11263585]

>>11263513
>I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people
https://local.theonion.com/area-man-s-intelligence-probably-just-too-intimidating-1819575602

[Anonymous No.11263616]

>>11263513
>Kierkegaard died a virgin.
What the fuck, he was cute and his ideas are cute. How is this even possible?

[Anonymous No.11263626]

>>11263616
He was totally nuts. No kidding.

[Anonymous No.11263656]

I'll die a virgin someday desu

[Anonymous No.11263657]

>>11263575
Nietzsche never had syphilis holy shit. The guy ( Walter Kaufmann) who said he could have was speculating on reasons why he had such a drastic decline in his later years.

[Anonymous No.11263674]

>>11263515
>>11263575
>>11263556
It's a pretty well known fact that he was celibate.

>>11263616
He was deformed too.

[Anonymous No.11263686]

>>11263513
>kierkegaard died a virgin

[Anonymous No.11263692]

>>11263674
That's because he was a gay Catholic so he tried his hardest not to have sex. But he did not succeed.

[Anonymous No.11263693]

>>11263513
Eliot Rodger

[Anonymous No.11263697]

Nietzsche went to prostitutes, his doctor leaked the details to Wagner (who was afraid N could be a "masturbator") and then the rumour spread to the point where some people where calling Neetchan a pederast
>Wagner is rich in malicious ideas, but what do you say to his having exchanged letters on the subject (even with my doctors) to voice his belief that my altered way of thinking was a consequence of unnatural excesses, with hints at pederasty?

[Anonymous No.11263698]

>>11263616
he broke off an engagement

[Anonymous No.11263706]

>>11263674
So was Byron.

>>11263698
How would we know he didn't tap it before that?

[Anonymous No.11263728]

But for real though how do I stop being a virgin? Any time I actively try to talk to a girl I just feel like I'm bothering her, and that seems pretty rude and I typically don't like to be rude.

[Anonymous No.11263738]

>>11263674
He was treated for gonorrhea and a couple men have said they had a sexual relationship with him.

[Anonymous No.11263753]

>>11263657
>Nietzsche never had syphilis holy shit.
He was actually diagnosed with syphilis. The only thing you might argue is if that diagnosis was correct which some recent writers question.

Seeking some comfort at prostitutes was a pretty common and normal behaviour among bachelors in those days since most females refused to have sex if they weren't married or at least engaged.

[Anonymous No.11263758]

Borges

[Anonymous No.11263761]

>>11263728
Go to the gym, get in shape, and dress better, or lower your standards

[Anonymous No.11263762]

>>11263706
>How would we know he didn't tap it before that?

[Anonymous No.11263788]

>>11263728
Step one: Stop obsessing over it, focus on shit that matters. If you don't have anything that matters going on, you have bigger problems than where to stick your dick in.

Step two: Keep talking to girls, keep talking to boys, be somewhat social. Do SOMETHING with your life. If you wonder about the bothering, ask yourself whether you'd talk to a guy in the same situation and whether it'd be okay if a guy talked to you like that.

Step three: There is no step three.

[Anonymous No.11263806]

>>11263706
Kierkegaard would never do such a thing. He broke off the engagement because he felt it would interfere with his duty to God, for heaven’s sake.

[Anonymous No.11263811]

>>11263513
>Me (23): I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people. They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.
You are a douche. You can find other intellectuals to have sex with. But you are just an asshole.

[Anonymous No.11263844]

>>11263806
Maybe after realizing that sex isn't all that. The turn from getting engaged to seeing the whole marriage business takes too much work is pretty drastic, and the fact that it would distract him from God should've been easy to predict before getting engaged.

[Anonymous No.11263860]

>>11263616

I have a hard time believing this. The guy literally wrote about how to seduce and get with girls. And he died a virgin?? There’s no way he was a virgin

[Anonymous No.11263919]

>>11263761
>>11263788
thanks for the dumb normie advice m8s.

[Anonymous No.11263922]

>>11263919
tfw to intelligent to hit the gym

[Anonymous No.11263930]

>>11263922
>Dude just life lamo
It really doesn't do shit. If you think eating chicken and lifting metal bars will make girls fall in love with you you have another thing coming

[Anonymous No.11263934]

>>11263930
tfw to intelligent to lift things

[Anonymous No.11263943]

>>11263922
I'll admit I've stopped caring the past few years but I used to be in pretty good shape and actively tried to dress well. It didn't help. And the other post was just similar obvious shit that didn't address the issue I brought up. aka, dumb normie advice.

[Anonymous No.11264041]

>>11263919
>unironically using normie
Well, uhh, there are still sex workers, if you get lucky.

>didn't address the issue I brought up
Your issue is obsessing over it, which obviously caused by too many issues to handle here, which in turn needs you to self-reflect and sort out your shit, which in turn doesn't work while your obsessed. Of course all of it is obvious, most things in life are.

[Anonymous No.11264046]

>>11263860
To be honest, I don't know if Circe's Guard died a virgin or if he didn't, but it'd suit his personality.

You have to realise, it's not hard to have sex: if things go completely wrong, you just go see a hooker. (Prostitution was even more common and socially acceptable in those days than it is now.)

The real question is: with whom do you want to have sex? Are there people you don't want to have sex with?
The normal answer to this is: yeah, well, I have some standards, I don't want him/her to be too ugly or disgusting, stuff like that.
But there are also more elaborated or psychological hurdles. For example, you might demand to be at least in love with the person you have sex with. Or you might demand, having sex with a person doesn't contradict your personal ideas of moral.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if you're able to seduce a girl - if you don't want to have sex with her due to your standards (considering her or yourself) you simply don't have sex with her.
Since Kirkegaard was pretty demanding when it came to his own intellectual honesty and moral integrity, I very well imagine him to rather reject a girl (he could have very well slept with) than to do it just because of the experience.

Btw. having sex for the sake of having sex is actually a very modern "ideal" - in all the history of mankind (until ~50 years ago) having sex wasn't of such a great importance at all.

[Anonymous No.11264063]

Will i reach enlightnent if i have sex?

[Anonymous No.11264065]

>>11264046
>having sex wasn't of such a great importance at all
>Prostitution was even more common and socially acceptable in those days than it is now.
Huh.

The rest of your post makes sense though.

[Anonymous No.11264082]

>>11263513
>I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people. They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.

that's on you not them; John von Neumann got on with people just fine. you are not that smart. you start dumb threads on 4chan

[Anonymous No.11264095]

>>11264065
i don't see why the two should contradict each other. people back then didn't fucking kill people solely because they were virgins like some other people have done recently.

[Anonymous No.11264103]

>>11264063
no

[Anonymous No.11264113]

>>11264065
I meant: having sex (for the sake of having sex) wasn't idealised. Instead, abstinence was an ideal.
On the other hand, moral weakness (visiting a hooker for example) was more tolerated since the "catalogue of virtues" in those days was so strict, pretty much noone was able to fulfil it.

[Anonymous No.11264115]

>>11264095
Every time had their crazy guys, people didn't write overly wrong manifestos or pathetic posts about their virginity before they went around killing others. Besides, it goes way beyond being mad about not getting laid. Millions of Chinese man won't get laid and still don't join self-pity cults and go on a rampage.

[Anonymous No.11264124]

>>11263513
If you can't get laid, you aren't smart. It's literally the prime imperative of humanity.

[Anonymous No.11264130]

How do you know Franzen lost his at 24?

[Anonymous No.11264143]

>>11264113
>I meant: having sex (for the sake of having sex) wasn't idealised
Neither it is now outside of the incel cycles. Most people see sex is part of their self exploration, besides it usually feels better than jerking off. Seeking more pleasure doesn't take idealisation from society, with better protection and birth control there are simply fewer reasons not not to do it.

>Instead, abstinence was an ideal.
Varied a lot through history too. Egyptians never had the whole virginity obsession for females and Greeks/Romans had their own share of fun times.

[Anonymous No.11264191]

>>11264143
>Seeking more pleasure doesn't take idealisation from society, with better protection and birth control there are simply fewer reasons not not to do it.
Well, do you consider a 40 or 50yo guy who's still a virgin "normal". A lot of people don't. And those guys don't consider themselves to be "normal" too as far as I know about them.
I don't think, Newton or some medievil monks ever considered their virginity a stain - but a lot of people actually think it is a some kind of flaw.

>the whole virginity obsession
I wish, I knew what its origins were, quite an interesting subject imo.

[Anonymous No.11264261]

>>11264191
Ah, good point. Although it still applies to some clergy today. Besides, someone like Dali resisted getting laid for a while and it didn't affect his social status. Serena or Venus waited quite a bit till marriage too and while it is/was uncommon, no one really cared that much. Sure neither of the examples staying a virgin all their life but that was always uncommon. A middle aged person being a virgin isn't normal in the sense it's usually the norm to get kids earlier, and someone who doesn't will get considered somewhat weird, whether they are virgins or not.

>I wish, I knew what its origins were, quite an interesting subject imo.
My guess would be relation to stds, protection and dangers of childbirth with possessiveness mixed it, though it doesn't explain while it was less of a thing before Christianity or how we're slowly moving the opposite way, with guys perception of their masculinity being associated to losing theirs.

[Anonymous No.11264269]

>>11263513
>Pessoa died a virgin
anything to confirm this?
i simply do not believe this dude didn't break down and fuck a hooker one lonely night

[Anonymous No.11264285]

>>11263728
>>11263919
Don't listen to the idiots in this thread.

There's a little explored principle of the magnetic duality of the heart, and the manner in which it acts on the universe. Focus on the subtle changes in your sensation, and in feeling, in light, in mood. Especially focus on the subtle changes of mood in social interactions. How different moods and sensations come and go like tides within normal social interaction, and how, rather than acting on one person, or then acting on the other, as though they had between them two out of sync wind up clocks, that the tensions of people are acting in the invisible space between them, pulling and repulsing them inside some superhuman extra-sensory realm beyond our comprehension and control. In a word, start using your heart as an eye, which is not simply perceiving purely interior sentiments, but an entirely real and entirely concealed world beyond comprehension.

Once you've started learning to do this, you can better maneuver through the social landscape, you can start to feel the desire a woman might have for you, and you can project your desire, or at least nurture and fuel it, even silently and across distances. Abstaining from masturbation, then using meditation to build internal sexual tension and desire inside yourself is good practice to this end. Stroke the flames of lust within yourself, control them, and you can then inflict them on the world.

This is not enough though. You must free yourself of all stupid sentimentality. Act on your viral instincts. If you're rejected or rebuffed, cast it aside from your thoughts and move on in life. Read the Gita, and act. Love with your body, hold your mind and heart aloof.

Women are contemptuous of the impatient and detest men who hesitate. It's a paradox, but always keep it in mind.

A great many men will go and sleep with a lot of women and then come to believe that it is some incredible skill that they posses. In fact, when a girl decides to sleep with someone its because she wants to sleep with someone, not because that specific man possesses some carnal skill or charm or by any innate virtue. Tame and break your ego, otherwise sex will destroy your soul and make your personality intolerable. If you want to sleep with women, go to someplace where lots of women are looking for sex (bars, strip clubs, tinder, etc.), and make yourself sexually available. There's no pride in being a masturbation tool, and don't let society (which is corrupt and morally sick) tell you there is, or that it is virtuous. Dignity is superior to gluttony, and its only a sick and gluttonous people who believe otherwise.

Finally, sex is a means to the end of a family: to producing kids and finding pleasure in your lover. Don't loose sights in these aims. The man who has had sex with a thousand woman, and produced no children nor found love, is a miserable virgin compared to the man who has sincerely loved only one woman and fathered children with her.

[Anonymous No.11264292]

>>11264130
i second this--where tf did you get that number?

[Anonymous No.11264305]

>>11264285
For an example of sex corrupting the ego, look at >>11264124. He actually believes his life has some reflection on his soul, his worth, his abilities, and so on. He is a fool.
Look at the spring, how every flower starts to blossom, how every fruit starts to bud, how the birds will build their nests and lay their eggs, the youth will start to find lovers for the summer, and every type of animal will begin a mad orgy of fornication.
This idiot would actually have you believe that he, by force of will alone, has brought the springtime.

[Anonymous No.11264363]

>>11264143
I can't even comprehend thinking sex is not idealised in regular society. Have gou ever spoken to another human being?

[Anonymous No.11264369]

>>11263806

Fun Kierkegaard Fact: he did, in fact, visit a brothel. He noted this in a diary entry. The entry read: "My God, My God ... (why hast Thou forsaken me?) ... That bestial giggling ...."

So he tried, the great soul. He tried.

[Anonymous No.11264377]

>>11264305
No, it's just a fact of nature. If you do not have sex and reproduce you are simply failing at life. That doesn't mean everyone who can't get laid these days is to blame - we know that society has been organized this way on purpose - but it's not really a question when it comes to whether they are doing what they were sent here to do.

[Anonymous No.11264382]

>>11263513
OP shut the FUCK up. This is all inaccurate

[Anonymous No.11264393]

>>11264143
>Most people see sex is part of their self exploration
>Seeking more pleasure doesn't take idealisation from society
>with better protection and birth control there are simply fewer reasons not not to do it
>Greeks/Romans had their own share of fun times

Look at all this ideological claptrap.

[Anonymous No.11264425]

>>11264377
>>11264261
>A middle aged person being a virgin isn't normal in the sense it's usually the norm to get kids earlier, and someone who doesn't will get considered somewhat weird

It's pretty interesting, human societies pretty much always contradicted evolution. According to evoulution the most fitting beings should be the ones who are able to reproduce.
In human societies, the lower classes were always the ones who were expected to reproduce while the upper classes weren't. If you were a monk or a scientist, it was fine or even expected if you didn't breed.
Just as today: if you're a member of a higher caste, your focus isn't expected to be on reproduction, it's expected to be on your career, your insights, whatever. If you're a women, it actually hinders your career, if you breed...

Human ethics seem to be totally flawed...

[Anonymous No.11264472]

Why do I reject every women that shows interest in me? As soon as I'm 100% sure she wants to fuck I stop pursuing and retreat into my mind. Every girl in high school thought I was gay because I could get any girl I wanted yet showed no interest in them. I wish I was gay, sex would be so much easier than dealing with women....

[Anonymous No.11264505]

>>11264425
There is also the whole ruling class obsession about keeping the bloodline pure that shits on evolution. Moving from hunter and gatherers did cause some funny side effects for sure. At least our Mongol overlords did keep it real to nature.

>>11264472
What fun is there in getting the stuff you actually can have? Though why do you think it'd be easier if you were gay? Guys are even easier to have.

[Anonymous No.11264516]

>>11264425
hehehe

[Anonymous No.11264976]

>>11264285
Good post. But I wouldn't be so quick to disregard casual sex, the importance is what it means as an actual connection between two beings. This can be found even in random encounters, but our society certainly has a completely corrupted view of it.

[Anonymous No.11265974]

>>11264976
Except he didn't disregard it and in my opinion played the devil's advocate quite well

[Anonymous No.11266097]

Scholars believe that Goethe losed his virginity only in his 30s, with a prostitute in Rome.

[Anonymous No.11266115]

>>11263513
>I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people. They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.
stop deluding yourself, you're just a narcissistic autist

[Anonymous No.11266131]

>>11263513
>Nietzsche died a virgin
No, and if he were a virgin his sister would have been more than happy to rectify that.

[Anonymous No.11266136]

>>11263513
what proof is there that any of them actually died a virgin or not?

[Anonymous No.11266147]

Really these are irrelevant matters; I am not concerned with so-called "sex" at all. Anybody can imagine those elements of animality. A greater endeavor lures me on: to fix once for all the perilous magic of anime girls.

[Anonymous No.11266160]

I have a hard time believing any of these people died a virgin. Nietzsche swam in prostitute pussy.

[Anonymous No.11266177]

>>11264425
And this is how you know that 99% of the people on this board have not touched a book in their entire lives.

[Anonymous No.11266232]

>>11263513
>Fernando Pessoa died a virgin.

he didnt though

[Anonymous No.11266249]

>>11264377
Are you having sex to reproduce then? How many children do you have?

[Anonymous No.11266362]

>>11263513
>They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.

it´s the way around

[Anonymous No.11266377]

>>11263529
Fucking feels late.

[Anonymous No.11266492]

george bernard shaw in his mid 30s

>>11263728
being rude is fine -- as long as you have the looks and wits to back it

[Anonymous No.11266495]

>>11266232
?

[Anonymous No.11266509]

>>11263860
soren was volcel; he was a pure boy never did nothing wrong

im not a robot post

[Anonymous No.11266511]

Most of those people would have visited a prostitute unless they were celibate by choice.

[Anonymous No.11266533]

>>11264377

O don’t buy this view.

So, the point is having children and spreading your genetic material, or else you are a failure? Says who? Even if you spread your genes eventually your descendence will die out, and even if it keeps moving forward. And even if it dosent die out humanity will eventually disappear; the universe itself won’t last forever. It’s like that master-monk in Mishima’s The Temple of the Golden Pavilion, that, when a student discovers that he see geishas, says something like “So what that I soil my hands with drink and girls: all it’s meaningless in the end and everything will disappear. It dosent matter”. The student then gets mad because he feels that that Monk is like some corpse that keeps fresh and dosent rot away.

But back to the point. Why have children if you don’t like children? Let’s say you want to perpetuate yourself, your best move is to do something extraordinary and force yourself into the collective psyche. More than children great deeds seem a parcial-victory against death and emptiness, yet even such victory can only last for some scraps of time, for humanity and the minds that keep your memory alive will eventually disappear, and it will be as you have never existed.

I have a young wife and we love each other and like to have sex just for the pleasure of it. Why would I want kids when I have so much things to do that I hardly have time to do them all? And then there is the point that, when your children are old enough, they will go after their own dreams, and you will be alone again.

[Anonymous No.11266534]

>>11263513
John Keats died young but he got around plenty.

Althusser was literally schizophrenic and bipolar so I don't doubt that.

Nietzsche is bullshit, as well as Kierkegaard, Pessoa./ They would have visited prostitutes.

Warhol could have easily done something if he wanted to but he claimed to be asexual or whatever.

[Anonymous No.11266536]

>>11263738
Yeah, I was gonna say how the fuck could you have stayed a virgin in the 1960s New York hippie/artsy scene.....

[Anonymous No.11266546]

>>11263540
Kant did not have a penis as he was a robot.

[Anonymous No.11266552]

>>11266534
> as well as Kierkegaard
Kierkegaard was pure, delet

[Anonymous No.11266553]

>>11264063
Of a sort, yes.

[Anonymous No.11266574]

>>11263513
>John Keats died a virgin
That's wrong. There's a lot of evidence to support him boning Isabella Jones. Stop trying to excuse your repugnant existence and get a life.

[Anonymous No.11266593]

>tfw 28 year old virgin

Too late for me lads. Unless I can find some way to move to a big city...

[Anonymous No.11266604]

>>11266377
Think of it as if you went to prison or to war or on some other kind of manly adventure.

[Anonymous No.11266606]

>>11266593
Nothing is going to change if you move to a city. Unless you mean prostitutes

[Anonymous No.11266611]

>>11263513
>I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people
Nope. I'm smarter than you and fucked two 11s in my life. One of them is a rising actress too, not talking about random hot chicks.

I'm a druggie neet, ugly and borderline anorexic.

[Anonymous No.11266645]

>>11266606
Opportunity, my town is a dead zone.

[Anonymous No.11266663]

>>11266533
Reading dumb fucking posts such as this one makes me agree with /pol/ about the death of western culture. You don't realize how disgustingly mediocre and conceited you are.

[Anonymous No.11266666]

Why don’t you guys just go for prostitutes? If you check with calm and patience you can find girls that are not only beautiful, but who also like sex and are really nice.

[Anonymous No.11266670]

>>11266666
thank you for the advice satan on steroids

[Anonymous No.11266677]

>>11266177
Your Excellency, may you please enlighten the slow-witted masses and tell us how you came to such an astonishing conclusion?

[Anonymous No.11266691]

>>11266663

Are you religious by any chance?

[Anonymous No.11266696]

>>11266611
>I fucked two coked up broads on their downward spira to sucking producers dicks for roles in tv shows / porn

Woooooah...

[Anonymous No.11266708]

>>11266533
>descendence
>"what if you just don't like children"
>Nothing matters man, because """"""I""""' end after death

The absolute state of underage fags

[Anonymous No.11266730]

>>11266663
Western cultures death has far more to do with capitalism than anything else, keep hawking about crap like taht to show how much you "care" though.

[Anonymous No.11266735]

>>11264041
To be fair, western society is completely obsessed with sex and sexuality so feeling pressured by it is only natural. Ironically prostitution is illegal or often stigmatized in most of the west where this cultural experiment is at its strongest.

[Anonymous No.11266739]

>>11263513
I just lost my virginity yesterday, I am 24 years old, same age Bukowski was too. What's in store for me?

[Anonymous No.11266742]

>>11263513
>Andy Warhol died a Virgin
>Andy Warhol is an intellectual

[Anonymous No.11266743]

>>11266663
>agree with /pol/
Opinion officially discarded, you are a fucking idiot and should go back to your /pol/ and /b/ boards. You dont belong here

[Anonymous No.11266754]

>>11263513
>Nietzsche died a virgin.

[Anonymous No.11266757]

>>11266735
>western society is completely obsessed with sexuality

Almost as if integrated christfag repression of biological urges fucks up the layman’s psyche, Professor Peterson

[Anonymous No.11266767]

>>11266533
yeah except you will never do anything great, look where you are. You're gonna go extinct and rot.

[Anonymous No.11266813]

>>11263529
boomer cope

[Anonymous No.11266833]

Lmao is this some sort of cope thread

Just because some geniuses were virgins it doesn't make you any less pathetic you virgin trash

[Anonymous No.11266856]

>>11266097
>you will never have scholars researching your sex life

Source on that claim?

[Anonymous No.11266876]

>tfw my semi-erect penis has L I T E R A L L Y touched the outside of a girl's minge but didn't enter her and thus rid me of my virginity

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11266880]

>>11266754

I don't think Nietzsche died a virgin, but that pic is fake.

[Anonymous No.11266897]

>>11266743
>My lefty ass is on FIRE

[Anonymous No.11266900]

>>11266757
Houellebecq once expressed a pretty interesting opinion on that: he said morals tend to be opposed to a society's vitality. When there's a vital society full of zest for life (as during the Elisabethan era) you needed morals to inhibit it, so all the joy of life wouldn't have to many unintended consequences. If you have a lifeless society without much sex drive on the other hand, morality, in turn, tries to oppose it.

He basically meant our society's obsession with sexuality was a product of our individual and unconscious lack of interest in sex.

[Anonymous No.11266901]

Being a virgin invalidates all your ideas and opinions.

[Anonymous No.11266908]

>>11266900
Sounds like a retarded opinion though I'm sure he explained it better.

[Anonymous No.11266948]

>>11266743
Just joking my dude, of course your right haha. Here's a video that everyone in this thread should get enlightened by:
https://youtu.be/HgAL4L1sXtg

[Anonymous No.11266966]

>>11266908
>I'm sure he explained it better.
Surely.

But it makes sense. If you have a huge libido, the scandalous glimmer of a naked female calf under her skirts might be enough to make you go absolutely nuts. If your libido is dampened down on the other hand, you might need full-grown hardcore pornography or something similar to even be able to get horny.

[Anonymous No.11266967]

>>11266708

I’m 31 actually.

I don’t understand why you people value procreation so much that you find irritating even the thought of other people not wanting children.

Do I like children? Yes, when they are polite and gentle. I love to talk with them, and tell them stories, or playing football with them. I have always been like by children too, perhaps because I am sincere. When I like a kid they know I like them, and when they are spoiled and uneducated brats I don’t make any effort to hide the fact that I don’t like them and that I think their parents are doing a terrible job.

Now, why I don’t want children? Well, if I am to have them I will try to do my best to raise them well, and that takes a lot of work and effort. Right now I am more preoccupied with my literary career and with my job (I am a lawyer). To be frank if I could survive only with my writing I would have abandoned the law firm a long time ago.

I have published and staged plays and have started to gain some notoriety. Now I am working on my first novel, and its taking a lot of time and effort. The idea behind it is really good, however it will a lot of time to research all the material I need. I wake up early to write, then I have my job and after I came back I work on my writing some more. Some nights I need to go out with my wife, and weekends I usually travel and rest. If I were to have children all my routine would be changed, and since women work outside today you don’t have the option of simply charging them with the job of raising the kids alone while you do whatever you have to do out of the house.

I work like a fanatic in my writing, but with children a good deal of my time and effort would be deviated for their sake, and I don’t want that.


>>11266767

Even if I do something great I will go extinct and rot, it will only take a little more time for any memory of me to disappear, yet it is inevitable.

Now tell me: do you think that having children for the same of perpetuate yourself isn’t a little bit egocentric too? For me it’s quite obvious that most religious people in the end are actually deeply egocentric: they are only in it because they want to live forever, to exist forever on some sort of paradise with their family (and don’t forget: many of them also want the people they don’t like or agree with to go to hell). That many of those people see raising a family as an epitome of the well-lived life is actually quite telling: deep down it’s all about “my survival” and “my memory” and “my legacy”.

Also, I’m at work now and don’t have much to do. So I am enjoying some rest while posting here: to me its actually a very therapeutic experience.

[Anonymous No.11267080]

>>11266966
What do you call someone who gets off on the former but is turned off by the latter?

[Anonymous No.11267111]

>>11266967
I'm a nihilist, I want kids because I'm a man and I wouldn't have the opportunity to become a great man if my dad and his dad hadn't manned the fuck up and dumped in someone. While you are dying, these are the things YOU will think about: how much pizza you ate, how much sex you had, how much beer you drank, and all the pages of worthless nonsense you wrote down for selfish brainlets like you to imbibe.

[Anonymous No.11267116]

>>11263513
add this volcel to the bunch

[Anonymous No.11267141]

>>11266967
there's nothing more pathetic than a guy with daddy issues

[Anonymous No.11267154]

>>11267111

Funny that you want to man up yet that guy seems way more manly and chill than you.

You don’t seem like a nihilist, more like an edgy twenty something loser.

[Anonymous No.11267165]

>>11266492
>as long as you have the looks and wits to back it
but I don't.

so what do I do now?

[Anonymous No.11267198]

>>11267141

But I love my dad. One of the greatest, most gentle, humane and hard-working individuals I have ever known. I admire him a lot.

>>11267111

You speak of “selfish brainlets” and yet all the reasons for having children you seem to have are based on the fact that you want to continue the line your inherited from your father and grandfather and so forth.

Now, if you really thing you are superior - enough to call other people selfish - why don’t you adopt children who have been abandoned in the world instead of having your own. Let’s see if you are really not acting out of personal interest.

[Anonymous No.11267248]

>>11267111
>and I wouldn't have the opportunity to become a great man

But Anon, you are not a great man, you are mediocre.

[Anonymous No.11267267]

>>11267154
He's also a moron with a less than surface level understanding of religious motivation and a boring masturbatory writing style. Being a nihilist and being an angry 24 year old with good taste are not mutually exclusive.
>>11267198
Cringe. I'm not superior, what an autistic thing to say. How insecure must you be that you think you are incapable of raising kids and writing terribly at the same time?
>>11267248
I said "the opportunity to become", is this board really this fucking illiterate?

[Anonymous No.11267286]

>>11267267
>less than surface level understanding of religious motivation
>>11267267
>Being a nihilist and being an angry 24 year old with good taste

I'm 100% sure this guy likes Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.11267319]

>>11267286
Nope, but I recommended him to my mother so she'd start picking up the dog shit off the floor.

[Anonymous No.11267324]

>>11267267
>Being a nihilist and being an angry 24 year old

But are you a virgin?

[Anonymous No.11267332]

>>11267324
No, I said this earlier, I lost my virginity literally yesterday

[Anonymous No.11267338]

>>11263513
Nietzsche wasn’t a virgin he got syphilis from a prostitute, you’re a virgin because you’re ugly and obnoxious socially

[Anonymous No.11267345]

henry james was closeted, and might've done it on the sly

[Anonymous No.11267367]

>>11264285
you’re fucking stupid man
>>11266967
ugly and overweight

[Anonymous No.11267408]

>>11267267
>He's also a moron with a less than surface level understanding of religious motivation

I know people, buddy. I have had contact with religious people all my life: talking to them, seeing them talking to each other, hearing how they console themselves, hearing how they fight, what they say when they are angry, etc. Knowing the roots of human motivation and behavior makes you understand much more what is behind its functioning than a philosophical study of religion.

For example: the fact that you sound angry (easy to see even before you posted yopurself that you are angry) tell me more about what lies behind your faith than the specific creeds of that faith.

>>11267267
>nd a boring masturbatory writing style.

Hey man, c'mon. You're judging me based on posts in 4chan, written in a hurry, not im my first language, and with no goal or desire to captivate (and in a debate where you are mad with me for not agreeing with your worldview, which makes you ill-disposed toawrds me).

I bet that if you read my plays you would find many passages that would please you.

[Anonymous No.11267414]

>>11267332

Then why so angry?

[Anonymous No.11267470]

>>11267414
because he hasn't lost his anal virginity

[Anonymous No.11267489]

>>11263860
this sounds about right, because PUAs never actually have sex

[Anonymous No.11267523]

>>11267367
>ugly and overweight

I know you are going to doubt me, but whatever.

I am 6'1, blond with green eyes. Naturally I go to the gym and have never been fat. My wife says I look like Michael Fassbender.

I do not think I look like Fassbender: he's more handsome than I am. Probably my wife wanted to find an actor who looks just like me just to play. My wife look a lot like Audrey Hepburn (only more tanned), so I call her Audrey from time to time. I showed a video of Audrey Hepburn winning an Oscar for my mother-in-law and the old lady almost fell back: "Wow, I really thought it was Erica at first"

But before you think I'm painting a perfect life, I'll tell you right away:

>My wife and I fought a lot (usually for stupid reasons)
>A new law that passed in my country is likely to greatly decrease the amount of clients of the office in which I work (though many parts of that law are likely to be cut because they are unconstitutional)
>I suffer from terrible anxiety and panic attacks
>I practically just go from home to work and work from home (and feel that I am loosing great opportunities to live more, to see more countries, more people, to take part in more experiences)

In other words: I have many problems and I do not live a perfect life. And to anybody here that thinks that having a girlfriend/wife is a solution for all your problems, think again: you are going to have a whole new forest of problems when you start having a serious relationship with someone.

[Anonymous No.11268140]

Hans Christian Andersen was volcel you goober.

[Anonymous No.11268250]

>>11267523
how did you meet your wife?

[Anonymous No.11268307]

>>11268250

Met her at a dinner with friends. These gatherings are nice: these isn’t so much noise and crowds as in parties.

I used a lot of social media before I met her to find girls to go out, but never used tinder - it was not that famous back then. My brother uses tinder and boy, that app really makes thing much easier if you only want to go out and have fun with girls.

I remember that I was so shy that whenever I went out to met a girl for the first time I drank some two or three whisky shots to help me get calmer.

[Anonymous No.11268344]

>>11267080
A gentleman/lady with good taste.

[Anonymous No.11268413]

>over 140 posts into the thread
>no mention of The King Virgin himself
/lit/ used to be better than this

[Anonymous No.11268428]

If I move to Latin America will pussy be easier to get? I'm considering it. My Spanish is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.11268479]

>>11263728
It's mostly about finding people you have something in common with. When you have something in common with people, even with crippling social anxiety (as I have), you can find a way to start conversation and then prod it along by listening and engaging with what you hear. It's hard to do artificially (as you have to pretend you care about conversations you're not invested in), but if you find someone who shares interests with you it's fairly eas. Unfortunately the onlyway to find people like that is to join various groups, so it can be a crapshoot. Either way, go into it as a learning experience with people and you should be okay in the long run. Just expect to deal with some disappointment, as (like everyone) very few people will have interests in common with you.

[Anonymous No.11268539]

>>11268344
Huh. Good to know.

[Anonymous No.11268697]

>>11263529
What? If you're a baptist?

[Anonymous No.11268715]

>>11268413
he fucked prostitutes

[Anonymous No.11268744]

>>11266876
how the fuck does that happen? did she wake up?

[Anonymous No.11268786]

>>11263513
Thoreau definitely loved men.

>...it's the things we don't write...

[Anonymous No.11268792]

>>11267414
Because sex is just a mingling of fluids, it's uninteresting and two hyper-sexual beings are nothing but banal reflections of selfish desire.

[Anonymous No.11268802]

>>11264095
yes they did you stupid faggot

[Anonymous No.11268811]

>>11266533
>babbies first foray into hedonism

[Anonymous No.11268840]

>>11268792
>I have never had sex

[Anonymous No.11268844]

>>11263529
16 is the average age for girls, 17 is the average age for guys.

[Anonymous No.11269324]

>>11268840
How many times do I need to repeat myself? Twenty-four years old, just had sex for the first time yesterday because I needed to know. Turns out I was a volcel not an incel. Ask me how it feels.

[Anonymous No.11269346]

>>11263728
Be not autistic and learn how to tease women. Key note: Will not work if you're ugly

[Anonymous No.11270308]

>>11263513
>Henry Cavendish
Did he write anything except scientific texts? Seems like a weird placement on the list.
I read up a bit on Cavendish when I was remaking his gravitational constant experiment for Advanced Lab in physics and his life seemed like a happy kids' movie version of an eccentric scientist. He never talked to anyone, but everybody knew he was a genius and treated him super kindly with understanding and townsfolk would bring their kids by his estate (he was also rich as fuck) and tell them about the super smart scientist and look at his experiments. He was an autist but a smart one who thanks to his fuck-off money did everything he wanted and found tons of scientific success and was respected by everybody, and it makes me happy to know he lived that kind of life.

[Anonymous No.11270319]

>>11263513
Nietzsche had several well known affairs. He fucked Wagner's girl, for christ sakes.

[Anonymous No.11270336]

>>11268792
>Sex is just a mingling of fluids, it's uninteresting
Fuck you. The Creation of Adam is "just a smattering of paint." Ulysses is "just a few words." Reductionism is lazy horseshit and it cannot change the fact that sex and the sexual drive are some of the most powerful feelings humans can possibly experience, and are incredibly strongly tied to your emotions and your overall wellbeing. Sex has been recognized as an inescapable part of the human psyche as long as anyone has even superficially tried to look at it. It's the creator of the strongest bonds humans have - to their significant others and to their children.

[Anonymous No.11270344]

>>11268792
>Because sex is just a mingling of fluids, it's uninteresting and two hyper-sexual beings are nothing but banal reflections of selfish desire.

"dude, we are just chemicals" tier
i take it you are a fan of richard and mortimer

[Anonymous No.11270388]

>>11263513
>Andy Warhol died a virgin.
Impossible
>Nietzsche died a virgin.
He died because of STD! How could he be a virgin?

[Anonymous No.11270867]

>>11263930
>tfw to intelligent to even try so you just wallow in your own bitterness and misery

[Anonymous No.11270877]

>>11263513
i lost my virginity at 15 and it was all downhill from there

[Anonymous No.11270884]

>>11269324
Turns out you just watch too much porn and have desensitised yourself to one of life's greatest pleasures. Congratulations faggot.

[Anonymous No.11270888]

>>11270877
I passed through my mother's vaginal canal at birth and it was all downhill from there

[Anonymous No.11271038]

>>11263513
Warhol didn't die a virgin, he had sex for a bit before he became celibate for the rest of his life.

[Anonymous No.11271315]

[Anonymous No.11271338]

>>11264377

If that's true, why aren't we all rushing out to sperm banks right now?

If it has to be actual sex, why is sex still possible with contraceptives? Doesn't this counter-act the supposed overarching biological imperative?

Are people who have sex solely for recreational, non-reproductive purposes similarly failing under your criteria for biologically intrinsic fulfilment?

But if it simply has to be sexual contact with a girl, which requires some radical, as of yet heard justification on your part, for whatever reason, what counts as "sex"? Does oral or hand stuff count? If I jerk off onto a girl, does that not count because it's basically the same as me just jerking off? If she jerks me off, does that count more? Why or why not?

Is it possible you're a self-hating and profoundly insecure young man who's semi-addicted to the internet and is venting his own feelings of sexual inadequacy because you believe yourself to be a failure in light of your own "biological imperative", which is really an incredibly transparent over-compensatory mechanism used to lend "scientific" validation to your own deeply emotionally fraught feelings around sex?

[Anonymous No.11271369]

>>11263761
This desu.

[Anonymous No.11271382]

>>11263513
Warhol was virgin? Proof

[Anonymous No.11271399]

>>11264285
>>11264305
A very good post.

[Anonymous No.11271415]

> After Newton’s death, a French philosopher described his behaviour as numb to understand any passion for relationship. Besides this, his virginity was pervasive and supported by several leading professionals of that era.

What the fuck constitutes a "leading professional" of someone's sexual status?

[Anonymous No.11271421]

What does it mean if I have a steady girlfriend and an active sex life but can't finish during the act? Am I the most impotent of all?

[Anonymous No.11271423]

>>11271421
means that you should really be a bottom

maybe try getting your gf to peg you

[Anonymous No.11271430]

>>11271423

I'm not into butt stuff. Like, at all.

We've been considering finding a three/foursome. Is that degenerate?

[Anonymous No.11271462]

>>11264305
>I am free because I am dialectically bound by a rejection of what I perceive as nature
The stupidity of the flagellants of the intellectual world never ceases to amaze me.

[Anonymous No.11271463]

>>11264143
>Greeks/Romans had their own share of fun times.
A few decadent circles in restricted times of laxity.
Plebeians literally threw a revolt because only patricians had a consecrated temple of virginity. The idea that Ancients were anything but rigorist prudes, although with very a different emphasis from the early 20th century kind, is outlandish. I blame Suetonius.

[Anonymous No.11271474]

Problem
>>11263728
>Any time I actively try to talk to a girl I just feel like I'm bothering her

"Answer"
>>11263761
>Go to the gym, get in shape, and dress better, or lower your standards

Nothing you listed is even remotely relevant to what the other anon asked. Clothes and muscles, even assuming other anon doesn't already have them (when he probably already has), would not change his issue at all.

[Anonymous No.11271493]

>>11271430
>Is that degenerate?
Doesn't seem very spontaneous at least. Just be yourself might a an awful meme, but you make the deed sound artificial. Guaranteed to fuck your relationship up.

[Anonymous No.11271497]

>>11271493

Do you have much experience with that sort of relationship-fucking-up?

[Anonymous No.11271564]

>>11266735
>western society is completely obsessed with sex and sexuality
Give some actual examples. Surely, if we were obsessed by it, it'd play a larger part in our stories, you know, popular works like Star Wars or fucking Harry Potter.

>>11267338
Just the later part. Doubt he's ugly enough to repel people, it'd be quite an achievement.

>>11270884
Sounds like you're overhyping something you never experienced.

>>11271463
It constantly varied through the times, so prudes is way over the top to describe them.

>>11271430
>can't relax enough with one person
>thinks it will work with more

[Anonymous No.11271572]

>>11271564
>can't relax enough with one person
Who said anything about not relaxing?

[Anonymous No.11271612]

>>11271572
So why the fuck can't you finish? Outside of medical problems, it's usually related to too much pressure.

[Anonymous No.11271670]

>>11271612
"Can't finish during the act" was more of a 98% truth than a 100% truth. I occasionally can finish, but only when it's particularly kinky. Public stuff in specific has been known to get me off. Once did it in an empty classroom at uni. I can occasionally get off when the sex is violent or demeaning enough.

(I don't think I really misrepresented this, but apologies for the confusion. In the time I've been with my current girlfriend I've only finished, like, three times.)

[Anonymous No.11271676]

>>11271670
>Once did it in an empty classroom at uni.
Oh boy, do tell more.

[Anonymous No.11271697]

>>11271676
Not much to tell, senpai. It was a Friday, campus was emptying. I'd just gotten out of class and didn't have work that evening, girlfriend had about an hour to kill before her shift started. It was a little nippy outside so I was like, "hey let's cut through this building." We'd been joking about hooking up in her Women's Studies classroom, then paused and looked at each other. Took her by the wrist and led her upstairs.

[Anonymous No.11271699]

>>11271697
Why the fuck does that word filter to "senpai."

[Anonymous No.11271718]

>>11271699
Clearly spent more time fucking than browsing 4chains. They changed the filters years ago.

[Anonymous No.11271722]

>>11263513
>Me (23): I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people. They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.
This is absolutely true. What exasperates me is being confronted (against my will) with a woman of mature age who is obviously involved in some kind of romanto-erotic relationship with a man, and very likely therefore services this man in the most pathetic, submissive and masochistic of ways (e.g. performing fellatio, "eating" his anus, telling him he can "do anything" to her, etc) yet who expects ME, an upstanding, morally intact, virtue-orientated student of ADVANCED LOGIC, to simply smile and nod and play along with her egalitarian routine in the workplace, as if we're two distinct beings to be treated as equally deserving of respect and so forth. Umm, sorry sweetheart but last night you were kneeling in the bathtub begging your boyfriend to urinate on you while I was brushing up on my Kantian ethics. Okay so that's not how it works. I see through your facade, lady. I know what goes on behind closed doors and frankly I won't put up with it.

[Anonymous No.11271730]

>>11271722
God you're a tool.

[Anonymous No.11271737]

>>11271730
It's pasta

[Anonymous No.11271748]

>>11271730
Does the truth sting, roastie?

[Anonymous No.11271892]

>>11263513
Even Gödel got laid

[Psoid Froid No.11272031]

>>11263513
>Me (23): I am still a virgin because I am a massive intellectual and it intimidates people. They are unable to connect with me on pretty much any level.

Nice excuse. Also, The ability to connect with people is a kind of intelligence.

[Anonymous No.11272209]

I unironically lost my virginity at 14 (21 now) and i've been in sexual relationships continuously since. what am i missing out on?

[Anonymous No.11272485]

>>11263575
>>11263697
>>11263753
>>11266160
>>11266534
>>11267338
>>11270388
http://www.actaneurologica.be/pdfs/2008-1/02-Hemelsoet%20et%20al.pdf

>>11268413
What? He even had a bastard daughter (but she died prematurely).

[Anonymous No.11272650]

general lit discord

https://discord.gg/kEmXQYW

[Anonymous No.11272910]

>>11266708
4 people born every second, 2 people die every second. Why we should have children if there is too many people on the planet already?

[Anonymous No.11272919]

Have sex, you'll regret it; don't have sex, you'll regret it. Have sex or don't have sex, you'll regret it either way.

[Anonymous No.11272983]

>>11271722
>virtue-orientated student of ADVANCED LOGIC
tell me more

[Anonymous No.11272992]

>>11263515
He was gay.

[Anonymous No.11273178]

>>11263513
>Nietzsche

Sure, bro

[Anonymous No.11273410]

>>11273178

Like I said earlier in the thread, Nietzsche probably wasn’t a virgin, but this picture is certainly fake.

[Anonymous No.11274292]

>>11263758
Borges fucked mad pussy my guy
t. Somebody who knew him

[Anonymous No.11274586]

>>11264292
He was the one he lost it to.

[Anonymous No.11274723]

>>11271430
>Is that degenerate?
Yes, but your not the only one. Just end with a hand/blowjob.

[Anonymous No.11274784]

>>11263513
>Kiekigard died a virgin

He litteraly wrote a book called diary of a seducer

[Anonymous No.11274912]

>>11266856
there's nothing there to research