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Is gnosticism the final redpill?

>> No.11257040

Can someone explain to me what gnosticism even is?

The internet makes it just sound like early catholocism

>> No.11257047

I too would be interested in a not-so quick rundown

>> No.11257065

>>11257040
It's actually some weird shit the early Christians believed (some of them).

The Gospel of Judas (yes, Judas wrote a gospel supposedly.) It explains everything. The archons and the God being just one of many who imprisons humans in this universe so that they can't ascend beyond (gnosticism). The Serpent came to enlighten mankind, but the archon of our world told the world that the Serpent is a liar.

>> No.11257068

>>11257040
>>11257047
A movement that has heavy contradictions along its different strains basically
>Pure real God
>Sub God thinks he's hot shit and creates the physical realm to be its God and traps other spiritual beings in it
>It'sTheFuckingGenesisStoryButGodWasLying.PNG
>Humans have souls that must escape this world to the astral planes
>Jesus came to help us and refers to a different God than Old Testament
>Only way to escape is obtain esoteric knowledge where you'll then escape with death.
>No gnosis you'll just be reborn.

>> No.11257069

>>11257068
Yep. Fellow /Judasgospel/?

>> No.11257070

>>11257024
idk its kinda like if Paradise Lost were canon and Satan was new Jesus

>> No.11257076

>>11257070
Also I hate matter

>> No.11257078

>>11257069
Nope. /JudasDidEverythingWrong/ here. If gnosticism is true I'll eventually see the light though.

>> No.11257081

>>11257069
Oh but I did write a small little essay on gnosticism for my english final in HighSchool once

>> No.11257082

>>11257040

Gnosticism is just a label applied to any of the early heretical and non-canonical Christian texts, many of which contradict each other.

>> No.11257101

>>11257024
Isn't the concept that god or at least divine beings exist physically? Cormac does it alot in his novels
can human become divine beings?

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>>11257024

>> No.11257110

no it isn't

I have no idea why Gnosticism has taken off with numales first dipping their toes in the waters of religion. maybe it resonates with the nihilism they're trying to escape

>> No.11257125

>>11257104
>pictures Sophia in his mind while meditating for a hands free climax
ya got me

>> No.11257159

>>11257068
That's a pretty good description. There were a ton of "gnostic" like cults. They usually adopted whatever religion surrounded them and interpreted them in their own light. The Manicheans did this a ton.

>> No.11257284

>>11257040
*hits ancient bong made of a wood stump* hahahahaHAAA DUUUUDE I just had thi- *cough cough* -this fucking crazy idea dude. So you know like YHWH? Dude what if that guy wasn't even like uhh... fuck dude I forgot what I was saying, let me take another toke. *rips bongs* oh shit man I remember now. So like what if that was just some fake god and like the real god transcends physicality. That'd be so fucking sick man. Like there's bad stuff in the world you know? So there has to be another guy up there who's PO'd at this fake god that makes bad stuff exist. Bro I need to write this shit down, get me my papyrus scroll bro *hits bong*

>> No.11257299

>>11257024
if you're retarded

>> No.11257321

>>11257284
>using dude weed lmao to trivialize wisdom traditions

neck yourself

>> No.11257332

>>11257299

> The most logically consistent philosophically rigorous version of Christianity is retarded because it hurts my feelings

>> No.11257344

>>11257321
*lights spliff* dude, don't you think you should like, respect ancient wisdom? *cough cough* did you just say Christianity? lmao that shit is just lies of the demiurge broseph, why would I respect that?

>> No.11257354

>>11257344
>he thinks gnosticism rejects christian revelation and doesn't just clarify it

>> No.11257357

>>11257344

At the time this -was- Christian tradition. It was copresent at the same time as Catholicism was developing. It was disrespectful to -Jewish- wisdom tradition, but then only sporadically. As >>11257082 says Gnosticism is a broad label.

>> No.11257394

>>11257321
My dude at least according to PKD early gnosticists were dropping shrooms I doubt they would refuse that kind bud.

>> No.11257494

It seems to me, if you come from a Christian worldview, that gnosticism could easily be dismissed as Satan using mankind's appetite for wisdom and esoteric knowledge to trick them into rebuking God and following Satan in disguise. What arguments exist that say this isn't the case?

>> No.11257503

>>11257494
>what arguments

actually reading and understanding the fucking tradition you're shitting on

>> No.11257506

>>11257494

It seems to me, if you come from a Gnostic Christian worldview, that Orthodox Christianity could easily be dismissed as the Demiurge using mankind's laziness and tendency towards social complacency to trick them into rebuking God and following the Demiurge in disguise. What arguments exist that say this isn't the case?

>> No.11257618

>>11257024
Gnosticism is not the final redpill. That would be gnosis. The two are not synonymous.

>> No.11257624

>>11257506
If you're going to subvert one of the most widely practiced and established religions in the world, the burden of proof lies with you.

>> No.11257658

>>11257618

This is the correct clarification

>> No.11257676
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11257676

When did this board become a rambling old Dead-head? First >>11241855, now this.

>> No.11257685

>>11257624
>not considering that whatever’s popular today might have been a subversion thousands of years ago
What a prole

>> No.11257999

Are there any good books about gnosticism ? This thread is interesting and I'd like to know more.

>> No.11258077

>>11257354
free based brothor

>> No.11258093

>>11257354
Gnosticism clearly rejects God's creation in Genesis as "good." And instead attributes that creation to the evil god. Pretty clear rejection of Christian revelation, which by the way, does not make a hard distinction between the Old and New Testament, look to the writings of Irenaeus for proof of that.

>> No.11259119

gnosticism is crazy shit

>> No.11259183

>>11257024
Gnosticism is the ultimate pseud religion. No other way can you explain a religion that teaches that salvation is through being an elitist.

>> No.11259261

No, it's just an angsty neo platonism

>> No.11259268

>>11257624
>dude popularity proves it's right lmao
[Ignorance intensifies]

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>> No.11259275

>>11257024
Gnosticism is the final boss, as in final enemy.

>> No.11259283

>>11257999
Tertullian and Augustine and Iraneus.

>> No.11259309

Historian of religion Horton Davies put it nicely:

>We may note that Gnostic eclecticisms have the following features in common. Their religion appeals to the proud rather than the humble in heart, for it claims to sum up the best in other religions and thus castigates adherents of the older faiths. Its appeal is largely to intellectuals and initiates and not to the great under-privileged multitudes of the world. Their philosophy is almost always pantheistic and shares the characteristic weaknesses of that outlook; for example, it despises the body which for the Christian is the temple of the Holy Spirit; it teachers an automatic immortality which makes an end of a moral interpretation of history; it depersonalizes God so taht He becomes an 'essence' or 'principle' and ceases to be the Person; consequently it despises history and the world as illusory, and shows an ostrich-like optimism towards sin, and an unwillingness to change the social conditions, which militate against the full development of personality. Salvation is through identification with God by means of meditation, not by the transformation of the will.

>> No.11259350

>>11257024
If creation is evil, and all that we know is of creation or attained in conjunction with it, how are you ever able to reach any truth?

>> No.11259398

>>11257024
Hinduism is

>> No.11259448

>>11259274
>Can god prevent Evil
Yes
>Does god know about all the Evil
Yes
>Does God want to prevent Evil
Yes and No
>Then why is there Evil ?
To test us
>If God is all-knowing he would know what we would do if we were tested therefore no need to test us
Why the fuck did you assume that god was all-knowing from the questions you asked ? You asked if god knew about all the Evil, that doesn't make him all knowing, I'm just trying to think outside this graph mind you I'm not trying to push an agenda just thinking about scenarios where this graph is wrong. I just think that there could easily be an all powerful God that is *almost* all knowing, hence the existence of humanity, an impulsive, unpredictable creation, that he tests with the invention of Good and Evil.

>> No.11259508

>>11257024
If you're a fascist, a communist, or a liberal, you're already a gnostic.