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[Anonymous No.11234878]

A few people in the depression thread mentioned having Schizoid Personality Disorder. I have it myself.
What are some books that accurately depict what it's like to have SPD? What books do you think would help relieve it?

[Anonymous No.11234904]

Following

I'm sort of curious if you guys agree with the psychiatric version of Schizoid Personality Disorder. A lot of psychologists seem to believe that schizoid people have no emotions at all.

But from my own experience (best friend with the disorder) they do, they just experience them differently.

Is it accurate for me to say doctors don't really understand schizoid? Or is my friend probably misdiagnosed?

[Anonymous No.11235167]

A diagnosis of SPD is like getting your palm read. The symptoms in the DSM are described in general enough terms and that 5 or more of them could apply to practically anyone. It doesn't mean anything

[Anonymous No.11235173]

>>11234878
Behold a pale horse is about having SPD

[Anonymous No.11235206]

>>11235173
the one by Milton William Cooper?

[Anonymous No.11235208]

describe schizoid personality disorder

[Anonymous No.11235218]

>>11235208
>Schizoid personality disorder (/ˈskJtsɔJd, ˈskJdzɔJd/, often abbreviated as SPD or SzPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary or sheltered lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, detachment, and apathy. Affected individuals may be unable to form intimate attachments to others and simultaneously demonstrate a rich, elaborate, and exclusively internal fantasy world.
>A pervasive pattern of detachment from social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least four of the following:

>Neither desires nor enjoys close relationships, including being part of a family.
>Almost always chooses solitary activities.
>Has little, if any, interest in having sexual experiences with another person.
>Takes pleasure in few, if any, activities.
>Lacks close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives.
>Appears indifferent to the praise or criticism of others.
>Shows emotional coldness, detachment, or flattened affectivity

[Anonymous No.11235278]

>>11235167
this

[Anonymous No.11235457]

>>11235206
Yes. The author does a great job of portraying a person with paranoid delusions.

[Anonymous No.11235470]

>>11235457
Just making sure. There are a dozen other books with the same name

[Anonymous No.11235823]

Schizophrenia is the default state of modern man. When it starts to make your life problematic, then it is something to be actively concerned over.

[Anonymous No.11235842]

Any novels where a clearly manic depressive character explores himself and struggles with life and his own soul all his life

[Anonymous No.11235853]

>>11234878
Basically anything written by PKD
He was a schizo too due to meth use

[Anonymous No.11237136]

maybe The Double by Dostoevsky?

[Anonymous No.11237149]

>>11235853

Whose PKD?

[Anonymous No.11237170]

>>11235218
>This describes me perfectly.

[Anonymous No.11237215]

My diary desu

[Anonymous No.11237233]

by far the biggest memes to come out of psychology were "personality disorders"

protip: if you were a black slave on a plantantion that wanted to escape you got diagnosed with a personality disorder.

don't let them control you.
don't let them define you.

shizoid personality disorder is pretty much an imaginative depression.

[Anonymous No.11237392]

>>11234878
>Schizoid
it means youre to far gone anyhow, the only remedy is becoming a normalfag

[Anonymous No.11237410]

>>11235208
no hope

[Anonymous No.11237570]

>>11237149
Philip K Dick

[Anonymous No.11237590]

ITT: people who don't know the difference between schizoid and schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.11237646]

I have SPD, though not with some of the extreme shit like anhedonia.

I went to get an evaluation with a neuropsychologist about a year ago to see what the fuck was wrong with me and schizoid personality was confirmed along with some other stuff.

People don't really understand it.
They mistake it with avoidant or paranoid personalities. Those people can't be around other but it hurts them because they want to.

With schizoid, you want to be alone and you're happy to be, no loneliness at all. Normies can't fathom that.

[Anonymous No.11238473]

>>11237590
lol and there's even a person who thinks it's the same as manic depressive

[Anonymous No.11238504]

>>11237646
I don't think I even know what loneliness feels like.

[Anonymous No.11239495]

>>11235457
that's not SPD then

[Anonymous No.11239943]

>>11239495
Wrong, snowflake

[Anonymous No.11239950]

>>11237590
There is no difference.

[Anonymous No.11239957]

>>11239950
there is retard

[Anonymous No.11240031]

>>11239957
Don't call him retard

[Anonymous No.11240052]

>>11240031
sorry bud but only women get to tell me what to do

[Anonymous No.11240075]

There's no such thing as schizophrenia. Its just a made up condition for psychologys lack of ability to explain certain cases in its infinite limitation

[Anonymous No.11240184]

>>11237233
this

[Anonymous No.11240224]

>>11240184
You can't subject me bitch, I am free to be medically insane if I am diagnosed as such.

[Anonymous No.11240232]

>>11240075
t. schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.11240236]

>>11240075
>Schizoid Personality Disorder.
>schizophrenia

please look up what the first one is and stop talking out your ass

[Anonymous No.11240286]

>>11237233
but what if you're not depressed but feeling feelings of happiness and smugness and superiority but also not feeling these

[Anonymous No.11240316]

>>11240286
shut up retard

[Anonymous No.11240395]

>>11237646
It does seem like a disorder that people like to read about and then tell themselves that they have this because it makes them feel better, especially since the spectrum is so wide and there are seemingly multiple varieties.
I don't want to say schizoid PD doesn'T exist, jsut that it doesn't seem like something you can go to any type of doctor to to be diagnosed with/as.
>With schizoid, you want to be alone and you're happy to be, no loneliness at all. Normies can't fathom that.
90% of neets would like to tell themselves that this totally is them, but really they jsut want to feel better about the issues in their life and the hole they are currently in by simply associating their circumstance with a Personality Disorder.
>>11234878
I really can't think of an appropriate book. Maybe jsut read Kafka and read from a SPD sufferer's mindset

[Anonymous No.11240420]

Is there a term for this but without the disorder side of things? Fantasising self-preoccupied loner sounds too /r9k/, but maybe that's what it is but I don't think it is

[Anonymous No.11241140]

>>11240420
>without the disorder side of things
SPD is kinda weird for that because it doesn't feel like a disorder for people who have it. it doesn't make them miserable or negatively affect their lives, so not a disorder for them.

it is for "normal" people who try to put themselves in their shoes. how can you not want to go there? you must be lying to yourself, are you stressed in social situations? are you lonely, depressed? it's just what they would be if they were alone, but it dosen't apply to spd.

[Anonymous No.11241470]

>>11237170
Same, I previously thought I had psychopathic traits. Now I am conflicted as they seem to both overlap with each other.

[Anonymous No.11241662]

>>11234878
>What are some books that accurately depict what it's like to have SPD?
The Stranger

>What books do you think would help relieve it?
You can't relieve your personality, sorry.

[Anonymous No.11242373]

>>11241140

If I'm in social situations, I don't necessarily get stressed out, but I feel such a lack of interest in almost everything that gets said that I'd rather be at home because the pointlessness bothers me a lot.
Socializing brings me no joy because of this, but when I get home I often ruminate or fantasize about hypothetical social situations/conversations.

This sometimes gets me a bit depressed because I get the impression I lack social contact, but when I realize there's a big distinction between actual social situations (which almost always feel devoid of meaning) and the somewhat pleasant fantasies in my head, I become pretty content with being alone again.

Is this SPD or something else?

[Anonymous No.11242376]

>>11242373
>but when I get home I often ruminate or fantasize about hypothetical social situations/conversations.

Anyone else talk to themselves throughout the day and fantasise various conversations (not necessarily enacting realistic social situations). I do so often, but without any delusion or loss of touch with reality.

[Anonymous No.11242422]

Today I won't take my amisulpride.

[Anonymous No.11242435]

>>11242422
powerful

[Anonymous No.11242448]

>>11234878
Why would you read if you don't experience emotions and don't sympatize with others?

[Anonymous No.11242626]

>>11237233
You've done it! Within a few sentences you've dismantled and entire field of study.

[Anonymous No.11242762]

>>11234878
DSM-5

[Anonymous No.11242766]

>>11242448
>don't experience emotions and don't sympatize with others
that's not really SPD though.
some people have more extreme things like lack of empathy, emotions and anhedonia, but that's not a defining trait.

[Anonymous No.11242772]

>>11242448

like 90% of this board doesn't sympathise with others

[Anonymous No.11242981]

>>11234878
Not a book, but this is a really great piece of writing on schizoid temperaments that i think a lot of people on this board will see themselves represented in:
>http://internationalpsychoanalysis.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/McWilliamsschizoid_dynamics.pdf
It's psychoanalytically oriented though, so if you're a stemfag you probably should keep scrolling
>The DSM, arbitrarily and without empirical basis, differentiates between schizoid and avoidant psychology, postulating that Avoidant Personality Disorder includes a wish to be close despite the taking of distance while Schizoid Personality Disorder represents an indifference to closeness. Yet I have never seen a person, among mental health patients or otherwise, whose reclusiveness was not originally conflictual (cf. Kernberg, 1984). Recent empirical literature supports this clinical observation (Shedler & Westen, 2004). We are animals who seek attachment. The detachment of the schizoid person represents, among other things, the defensive strategy of withdrawal from overstimulation, traumatic impingement, andinvalidation, and most experienced psychoanalytic clinicians know not to take it at face value,however severe and off-putting it may appear.

>For example, schizoid people are overtly detached, yet they describe in therapy a deep
longing for closeness and compelling fantasies of intimate involvement. They appear selfsufficient, and yet anyone who gets to know them well can attest to the depth of their emotional need. They can be absent-minded at the same time that they are acutely vigilant. They may seem completely nonreactive, yet suffer an exquisite level of sensitivity. They may look affectively blunted while internally coping with what one of my schizoid friends calls “protoaffect,” the experience of being frighteningly overpowered by intense emotion. They may seem utterly indifferent to sex while nourishing a sexually preoccupied, polymorphously elaborated fantasy life. They may strike others as unusually gentle souls, but an intimate may learn that they nourish elaborate fantasies of world destruction.

>I have found it useful to think of the schizoid personality as defined by a fundamental and habitual reliance on the defense mechanism of withdrawal. This withdrawal can be more or less geographical, as in the case of a man who retreats to his den or to some remote location whenever the world is too much for him, or internal, as illustrated by a woman who goes through the motions of being present
while attending mostly to internal fantasies and preoccupations.

One interesting aspect of SPD is how many schizoids can reflect on their temperament, recognize their behavioral patterns, even see them as problematic, yet do nothing, because these aspects of their personality "seem to fit". At a deeper level, I think the schizoid fears that the removal of his symptom would lead to the dissolution of him as an individual.

[Anonymous No.11242983]

>>11242981
fucked up greentext

[Anonymous No.11243032]

Is it normal to have no desire for social relations with anyone but a single woman and family?

[Anonymous No.11243041]

>>11242981

Pretty accurate for me. Also, detachment can function as a sort of (maybe imaginary) self-control.
I'm disgusted by the idea that my entire existence would be determined by attachments which are completely regulated/shaped by arbitrary conventions.
Rejecting these gives at least a semblance of freedom.

[Anonymous No.11243043]

>>11242981
Very interesting

[Anonymous No.11243044]

>>11234878
Commandant of Auschwitz: The Autobiography of Rudolf Hoess

[Anonymous No.11243059]

>>11242981
never been diagnosed with anything, related completely to everything here
should i go see someone?

[Anonymous No.11243064]

>>11243059
Why would you?

[Anonymous No.11243137]

>>11242981
>I think the schizoid fears that the removal of his symptom would lead to the dissolution of him as an individual.
It does seem like a disorder that people like to read about and then tell themselves that they have this because it makes them feel better, especially since the spectrum is so wide and there are seemingly multiple varieties.
I don't want to say schizoid PD doesn'T exist, jsut that it doesn't seem like something you can go to any type of doctor to to be diagnosed with/as.
>With schizoid, you want to be alone and you're happy to be, no loneliness at all. Normies can't fathom that.
90% of neets would like to tell themselves that this totally is them, but really they jsut want to feel better about the issues in their life and the hole they are currently in by simply associating their circumstance with a Personality Disorder.

[Anonymous No.11243161]

>>11243059
i relate to it a lot but ive never seen anyone

one thing to keep in mind that schizoid introspection is rarely useful (as in rarely translates to external change), and often becomes an agonizing mental trap.

this contributes to why a lot of conventional psychiatric practise is ineffective for most schizoids, but not all. ive personally had a good bit of success in denying myself fantasies and introspections about myself, and focusing on my real observable actions. the trick is realizing that fantasy is a means to an end, not an end in itself. if youre sexual/romantic fantasies aren't observably pushing you towards having a normal romantic life (in one of its various expressions), and your social(read:power) fantasies aren't actualizable in the real world, then they have become detached from their purpose and they need to be put down. this is difficult because if you're anything like me, you enjoy fantasising and have a number of fantasies which are of great importance to you (even if they are outlandish). but once you let go of them, you will realize that even modest real world success is preferable to the cloister of delusion that is being trapped in an internal world

but this is difficult and an ongoing project for me. so i wouldnt expect results overnight

>>11243041
>I'm disgusted by the idea that my entire existence would be determined by attachments which are completely regulated/shaped by arbitrary conventions
this is brutal. its an obsession with freedom that borders on its own peculiar form of slavery. the thing i related to most in the mcwilliams article was her discussion of "counter-etiquette". I definitely flaunt even basic courtesy where I can get away with it, because of my desire to escape convention.

have you ever read hamlet? i remember experiencing something like terror when reading it and seeing my own disgust at conventions and the inauthenticity of social life, and my own behavioural reaction to them, portrayed so vividly. definitely a kind of schizoid character

[Anonymous No.11243195]

>>11243137
yeah this is true, but there is a sort of truth to it, where i'll get sick of being isolated, then i'll go out with friends to a nightclub have a miserable time and remember why i cut my self off from doing stuff like that in the first place

honestly i just want an irl friend that is into the same stuff that im into and that i dont have to pretend to care about beefs between rappers or donald trump when im with them. just a friend who was happy doing one on one lowkey stuff every so often

im not neet but im pretty isolated, and i definitely do on some level want relationships, ive just accepted that the relationships i want are basically non-existent for people in my social sphere and i'd rather be alone than force myself to like being in a crowd

[Anonymous No.11243227]

>>11243161

>have you ever read hamlet?
Not yet, but now I will. (actually, now that I see his name connected to SPD, I understand why there's an early Nick Cave song about him, haha)
It's not that brutal for me personally. I experience regular discomfort, but I'm still very functional. I was mainly talking about going to the same bar every weekend, watching some sport I'm supposed to care about, talking about the same subjects which mean nothing to me, etc. I actually don't do these things anymore and I'm happier for it. I feel more free sitting alone in my room or walking in nature than being coerced into completely meaningless behavior patterns.

Also, if I disregard courtesy, half of the time I'm probably not even aware of it and the repercussions are very limited. Half the time I'm really a retard and the other half I play the retard.