/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11230715]

Which books help cure depression and anxiety ?

[Anonymous No.11230724]

>>11230715
You know what to do with it

[Anonymous No.11230737]

Borges wrote a story called /litpat/ on 8ch dot net probably the least pleb shit I've ever read

[Anonymous No.11230741]

>>11230715
write

[Anonymous No.11230771]

What is the /lit/ consensus on The Power of Now? Is it real and helpful or just self-help nonsense?

[Anonymous No.11230802]

>>11230771
The Power of Now is a must read. Dont let its popularity or its audience deter you, Eckhart Tolle is the real deal

[Anonymous No.11230850]

>>11230715
Meditations

[Anonymous No.11230854]

go out more and just b urself

[Anonymous No.11230887]

Oblomov

[Anonymous No.11231154]

>>11230771
It is the real deal. He gets mystical like how he says even rocks have life energy inside them or some shit, but he presents the ego and being present in the western world better than anyone else.

[Anonymous No.11231156]

>>11230715
The Book of Disquiet

[Anonymous No.11231192]

>>11231156
this
although "help" is the wrong word
more like, be able to accept

[Anonymous No.11231230]

>>11230715
>depression and anxiety

Try reading a book about mental disordes that actually exist and aren't just memes for attention starved teenagers.

[Anonymous No.11231231]

>>11230715
None. I take mushrooms instead. Yes they actually work. But they aren't for everyone.
http://time.com/4338947/magic-mushrooms-for-depression/

[Anonymous No.11231252]

>>11230715
try out the wisdom of insecurity: a message for an age of anxiety by watts
super comfy

[Anonymous No.11231257]

>>11231156
Doesn't help you out of it.
For me it allowed me to understand the things I feel yet couldn't put into words. So many times during that book did he say something I always felt but could never quite grasp
It helped me cope more in a way, but didn't cure me

[Anonymous No.11231285]

>>11231257
i found the book comforting and after reading it i became more lucid

[Anonymous No.11231372]

Siddhartha

[Anonymous No.11231380]

>>11230850
>I'm good because my mom my dad my god and the neighbor taught me so
>Anon probably has no one or cares about no one.
T-thanks.

[Anonymous No.11231578]

>>11230715
>unironically exercise and diet
it's helped me more than any author will
p.s you'll never be 'cured'

[Anonymous No.11231592]

>>11231578
not OP, but can you tell us more
of your experience, in general..

[Anonymous No.11231753]

>>11230715
A book wont do it, you need a purpose and community, loneloness and lack of meaning is a killer, when theres war, natural disasters and rioting depression and suicide reduce massively. Try to help your neighbours with something, thats a good start and try your best at something, even small things it'l surprise you, I got an out of proportion amount of satisfaction by taking my time to put a fire alarm above my living room door in the exact centre between the top of the door frame and between the width of the door.

[Anonymous No.11231764]

[Anonymous No.11231877]

>>11230715

Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules For Life

[Anonymous No.11232427]

>>11231764
I only do the water thing

[Anonymous No.11232695]

>>11231252
Watts is one of the most verbose pseuds of all time. Just some guy who writes a lot but says very little.

[Anonymous No.11232704]

>>11231764
>responsible financial planning
*Being rich to begin with*
ftfy
A romantic life fornicating isn't healthy either. It's senseless hedonism and ultimately a waste of time if marriage isn't the goal. I never offer support to friends who go through breakups. You made your bed, now lay in it.

[Anonymous No.11232827]

>>11230715
Early in the morning, go outside and listen to the birds.
It's not easy, but you should do it anyways.

[Anonymous No.11232833]

Stop taking yourself to be so important. You are anxious and depressed. So what who cares. You're not special.

[Anonymous No.11232837]

>>11231372
DUDE

[Anonymous No.11232861]

>>11232833
>bro just like don't worry about it!

[Anonymous No.11233277]

>>11231764
>fulfilling career
>2018
Lmao

>>11232833
Literally Rick and Morty philosophy

[Anonymous No.11233283]

The Bell Jar
No Longer Human

[Anonymous No.11233287]

A prescription pad

[Anonymous No.11233373]

>>11231764
NEET here, I'm 3/6 and 4/6 isn't really out of my reach. When am I supposed to start feeling better?

[Anonymous No.11233388]

>>11231764
NEET here, I'm 3/7 and 4/7 isn't really out of my reach. When am I supposed to start feeling the slightest bit better?

[Anonymous No.11233427]

>>11230771
I read it a decade ago and it changed my life, I had never really considered mindfulness before that point. Ignore all of the mystic bullshit though.

[Anonymous No.11233437]

>>11230715
the end of The Gathering Storm, but you'd have to read the first 11 books in the wheel of time series for it to mean anything

[Anonymous No.11233443]

>>11232861
>>11233277
I'm not the one with a reddit mental health disorder like anxiety.

[Anonymous No.11233449]

>>11231764
i'm a solid 2/7
feels alright

[Anonymous No.11233453]

>>11231764
>financial planning

[Anonymous No.11233516]

Why haven't you mentioned the bible?

[Anonymous No.11233539]

>>11231380
let aurelius be your teacher. let him be there for you.

[Anonymous No.11233541]

>>11230715
Depends on why you've got depression and anxiety. If you've got the hereditary type of depression (like Churchill and Hemingway), then you read literature to cope. Pretty much anything will work.

If you've got depression because your life sucks, then books won't help you, but unfucking your life (getting a good job, working out, eating healthy, not spending so much time on the internet, making friends, etc.) will.

[Anonymous No.11233544]

>>11231764
this except for the career desu

wagecuckery is not good for people

[Anonymous No.11233556]

>being depressed/anxious instead of autistic or schizoid

literally choosing to be pleb

[Anonymous No.11233579]

>>11230715
None. Go see a doctor. (Telling from experience.)

[Anonymous No.11233581]

>>11233556
How can I become autistic

[Anonymous No.11233591]

>>11233581
stay here long enough with the right mindset and you'll become one of the latter two

if you do bad, you'll become one of the former

[Anonymous No.11233597]

>>11233581
read Deleuze

[Anonymous No.11233616]

>>11233544
Most people don't really have a choice so you should at least try to get the best job you can, if only to escape wageslavery quicker

[Anonymous No.11233617]

I read "What women want and how to give it to them" by W. Anton and although it might sound cheesy I applied what I read, in particular the bit about how a man has to try to escalate all the time, now I got a girl and it's pretty awesome, turns out I was just lonely.

Sometimes I feel that at 31 I'm too old for this teenager bullshit but then again I think young men have a much crisper outlook than do middle-aged men.

[Anonymous No.11233643]

>>11231592

not him, but exercise and dieting creates a form of structure that the human body and mind need to function at a healthy level. By consciously thinking about when and what to eat while also fitting in an hour of exercise, it distracts the mind from self-destructive behaviors. I am sure there are also some hormones and what not released during and after physical activity, but I find a good sweat helps refresh the body and mind. If one's problems are body image based, physical exercise assists with that as well over time.

Currently, I am undergoing a fair amount of self-inflicted stress with my new job. I am barely eating and sleeping poorly. I am trying to build my confidence up to over come that stress, and I find working out at my local gym or going for a run helps manage it. I set goals for myself at the gym, and when I run, I normally run to exhaustion. Both strategies help take my mind off of things, and it also triggers a response in my body to eat.

[Anonymous No.11233647]

>>11233643
>I normally run to exhaustion

Yeah stress your body to exhaustion to deal with you body being exhausted by stress

[Anonymous No.11233657]

>>11233647
If you aren't putting your body under stress on a regular basis hoe do you expect an adaptation to occur?

[Anonymous No.11233668]

>>11233657
Just make sure you get plenty of rest :)

[Anonymous No.11233697]

>>11233544
>a career must be wageslavery

[Anonymous No.11233714]

>>11233697
self-employed people are even more nerve addled a lot of the time

[Anonymous No.11233732]

>>11233714
name one way I could earn money at home without contacting anybody, every single job I can think of demands I contact people, I'm a passionate guy I just want to learn and earn money at my own pace

[Anonymous No.11233734]

>>11233647

Stress is a mental blockade that transfers to physical. By exhausting the body, the stress in the mind doesn't transfer, so it becomes easier to deal with it directly through meditation or some other means.

>>11233668

Sleeping becomes much easier when one is exhausted.

[Anonymous No.11233751]

>>11233732

Since money is gained through other people, it is impossible to earn it without talking to annoying. Unless you want to steal it or farm bit coin.

[Anonymous No.11233759]

>>11233751

*anyone

[Anonymous No.11233772]

>>11233556
I am literally all four.

[Anonymous No.11233774]

>>11233732
handouts

[Anonymous No.11233915]

>>11231764
Okay so the eating/water/financial planning/sleep/exercise is easy if you have at least a little self discipline, but the problem is for at least 90% of people having both a fulfilling career and an active social/romantic life is nearly impossible.

[Anonymous No.11233947]

Which books help intensify depression and anxiety?

[Anonymous No.11233953]

>>11233947
just transform them into autism or schizoid personality type

if you intensify you'll just become reddit

[Anonymous No.11233962]

>>11233953
But I've already been diagnosed with autism

[Anonymous No.11233966]

>>11233962
looks like you've got reddit-type autism then

[Anonymous No.11233979]

>>11233966
I disagree

[Anonymous No.11234165]

>>11233947
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.11234279]

>>11230715
Unironically Notes from the Underground. Made me realize that I don’t want to become another Underground Man and gave me motivation to get my shit together.

[Anonymous No.11234332]

>>11233732
>name one way I could earn money at home without contacting anybody,
go read Wealth of Nations
nobody ever "contacted" anyone ever

[Anonymous No.11234422]

>>11234332
>nobody ever "contacted" anyone ever
Please explain, your brevity was not sufficient in it's explanation

[Anonymous No.11234468]

>>11231764

>fulfilling career

Subtle propaganda for wage slavery. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.11234477]

Depression is not a disease that can be "cured", it is a natural energy saving mode the body enters when resources in the environment surrounding it are scarce; most likely you are a lonely person, poor, and have suffered many losses in life. Losses/defeats by others also contribute to depression. Note the high levels of depression in countries with scarce resources, low light levels and temperatures, such as Scandinavia or Greenland.

To escape it you need to give out energy to others, depression pushes others away from you because you conserve your energy during interactions (hence dead stare, hence showing no emotional response to others behaviors). Of course, social anxiety makes this even more difficult, the two are a potent combination.

It's going to be extremely difficult, I recommend exercise, sunlight, a diet free of all carbs and sugar, a regular sleep schedule, and cold showers. To reduce social anxiety (which worked for me, I used to have extreme amounts of it), try exposure therapy, immersing yourself in places with lots of people daily. You don't have to interact with them, but simply being around them all the time should calm your brains hostile response to them (perceived as threats due to again, losses in life).

[Anonymous No.11234479]

>>11231230
this

t. someone with type 2 bipolar disorder

[Anonymous No.11234499]

>>11231764
Reject wage slavery reject the hostile tribal response of wageslaves to outsiders to try to bully them into conforming to their wageslave tribe.

[Anonymous No.11234635]

>>11233947
/r9k/

[Anonymous No.11234674]

>>11231764
Fuck the fulfulling career meme. I felt so much happier being a part timer and living at home tbqh.

[Anonymous No.11234693]

All the parasitic jobless people who screech at people wanting to work are no different from this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFQ7zqn6j18
You are all mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.11234711]

>>11234693
>Expressing an opinion different from the norm is screeching

[Anonymous No.11234751]

>>11234711
emotional rambling about 'wagecuckery' is screeching. You are miserable and in denial. Worthless twenty somethings who have never produced anything deemed of value by anyone, rambling on about the spiritual pitfalls of a career. As if they know anything about a job. As if they have a fraction of the competence required to sustain a life-long professional activity in a field.

You're unhappy and you need help. I realise that my post won't get you any, nor is it diplomatic enough to reach you, but it truly is sad to see you reject any form of personal responsibility.

[Anonymous No.11234764]

>>11233556
>implying I'm not schizoid and depressed and anxious

[Anonymous No.11234803]

>>11234751
Idk you seem pretty miserable to me. Going on 4chan rants addressed to anonymous and invisible people during the rare occasion you have free time to yourself isn't something happy and well-adjusted people do

[Anonymous No.11234808]

>>11234803
he is right

[Anonymous No.11234844]

>pic related
and preferably by a licensed professional

[Anonymous No.11234883]

>>11233772
same, there's no hope for us, is there?

[Anonymous No.11234942]

Pic related unironically helped me through a really bad patch

It's just a series of notes he jotted down about some pet cats he had, you can easily read it in a day and it leaves you feeling happy afterwards.

Also none of the cats get raped or anything like that, it's surprisingly wholesome even though it was written by William Burroughs

[Anonymous No.11234962]

>>11234883
This reminds me of the end of A.I. (the film) where the boy realizes he can either continue living a lie for all eternity or trade everything for one perfect day with his mother. I would give anything if just for a day to experience young love at that age with the sunlight bleeding in on her face and some trivial videogame or boardgame in the mix, everything in this picture is evocative of the life I want but will never live.

[Anonymous No.11235212]

>>11233437
Veins of Gold made me genuinely shiver with emotion. Rand's character arc from the start of the series until that point was beautiful, and even though I wasn't the biggest fan of RJ and his writing, I commend him for making such a sympathetic and believable character. It was a little formulaic to have the answer just be love, but after all that sacrifice and pain, it felt genuine.

Aviendha best girl.

[Anonymous No.11235258]

>>11230715
Steppenwolf

[Anonymous No.11235323]

>>11231764
It’s impossible for me to have an active social life or a fulfilling career so why would I even bother with the other 5 lmao

[Anonymous No.11235379]

>>11230715
Your own, go write it.

[Anonymous No.11235662]

>>11233947
infinite jest

[Anonymous No.11235699]

>>11230715
You can't cure anxiety or sadness, bro. These are part of our navigation tools for getting around reality and dealing with other people. Sounds like you need to figure out a better way of managing those dials and understanding what they mean, but you don't want to break them off the fucking dash.

[Anonymous No.11235711]

>>11233947
All of them.

[Anonymous No.11236093]

bump for the cure

[Anonymous No.11236182]

>>11230715
Almost any book cause that forces you to actually do something and apply yourself

[Anonymous No.11236210]

>>11230715
Gonna get shit on for this, but It’s Kind of a Funny Story, by Ned Vizzini, kind of helped throw me back out of a nasty depression/anxiety spell when I was younger.

[Anonymous No.11236222]

I read Into the Wild two years ago and it kind of shocked me enough to make some changes. But now I'm back here two years later but I have job now at least.

[Anonymous No.11236449]

>>11233947
This website

[Anonymous No.11236454]

>>11230715
unironically a book probably won't help much, maybe learn some cognitive behavioral therapy. go for the therapist meme, it genuinely helps

[Anonymous No.11236585]

The cure is detachment from the internet and occasional browsing 8ch dot net slash litpat

[Anonymous No.11236600]

Walker Percy's Lost in the Cosmos both alleviates and exacerbates them.

[Anonymous No.11236682]

>>11234844
Lol nigga that book is about 140 dollars
>>11230715
Thus spoke zarathustra is mandatory

[Anonymous No.11236743]

>>11236585

[Anonymous No.11236756]

Hardcore Self Help by Robert Duff

[Anonymous No.11237096]

>>11230715
>Crime and Punishment
Worked for me atleast.
Pain is inevitable but bearable if you suffer for a higher purpose

[Anonymous No.11237109]

>>11237096
but the only real purpose life has is to avoid suffering

[Anonymous No.11237239]

>>11237109
Yeah, if you're two years old.

[Anonymous No.11237284]

>>11233544
>do something you actually like
>feel good through responsibility, diligency, and connection with society/people
>feel fulfilled and purposeful
>all of the above wrapped up in a sense of worth and good feeling as a person amongst a whole, and as an individual labouring
It's really not hard to find these things in a job, even if, on the surface, the job doesn't appear to be related to these at all. You may find these intellectually objectionable but I'm not speaking of that, I'm speaking of what can easily happen in practice.

[Anonymous No.11237309]

>>11230715
Have you considered trying psychedelics instead?

[Anonymous No.11237332]

>>11230715
My psychotherapist recommended me "Naiv. Super" by Erlend Loe. No idea if it will work, too depressed to read anything.

[Anonymous No.11237343]

I am fairly depressed as well, if some anons can help me with my thoughts please:

I am aware that happiness is futile in attempting to achieve
For one happiness is a feeling, feelings never stick around and are fleeting. As soon as I achieve it (which more often than not will require effort) I will lose it and if I don't achieve it, it will further my feelings of frustration, depression and anxiety.

I am starting to believe one should achieve a state of acceptance with whatever there feeling with the knowledge that it will eventually subside. Either negative states or good.

I know trying to achieve this state is in it's own a paradox as you are essentially not happy with your current state if you are trying to reach a 'peaceful state'.

So one needs to essentially not try to achieve this state and then that have achieved it.

Does what I wrote sound like nonsance anons? Or any book recs?

[Anonymous No.11237354]

>>11237343
Happiness isn't a feeling as depression isn't. I think, that you are mistaking happiness as a constate state of pure bliss, when it's more like a state of content.

[Anonymous No.11237412]

>>11237343
>>11237354
True happiness can only be found in the lord's light, in the afterlife.
All you can hope for in this mortal realm is a state of to not being miserable.

[Anonymous No.11237423]

>>11232704
>A romantic life fornicating isn't healthy either

How to spot an angry virgin in one easy trick.

[Anonymous No.11237787]

browsing 8ch dot net slash litpat ans getting off this shittt site

[Anonymous No.11238022]

implying depression and anxiety is a disease and not part of life

[Anonymous No.11238228]

>>11231764
4,5/7
my financial planning is not responsible in the slightest. I work for a few months and then I spend it all traveling.
I work manual labour with no real career development.
Romantic and social life is alright I guess, could be better, so Im counting it as half a point.

[Anonymous No.11238560]

>>11237787
Then why do you stay here and keep posting this shit?

[Anonymous No.11238749]

>>11238022
>I am too stupid to understand biology

[Anonymous No.11238811]

>>11230715
Take the fucking pills
>b-but placebo
Take the fucking pills
>b-but I'll go crazy and shoot up a school cuz I'm so randumb ;)
Take the fucking pills
>b-but big pharma
Take the fucking pills
>b-but I'll lose my God-tier Joyce-like genius prose ability
Take. The Fucking. Pills.

Also, get psychiatric advice from medical professionals, not conspiratorial NEET morons on 4chan who are probably mentally ill themselves.

If your depression can be cured be lifting, social engagement, and sunlight, you probably weren't depressed in the first place. In many cases, depression has a BIOLOGICAL ORIGIN that can't be fixed by self-help YouTube pep talks and pursuing a STEM career. Something to consider

[Anonymous No.11238820]

>>11238811
What makes you think I or anyone has any "fucking pills"?

[Anonymous No.11238821]

Watching Neon Genesis Evangelion unironically cured my depression.

[Anonymous No.11238828]

>>11235323
What kind of retarded reasoning is this? I'm doing fuck all with my life but i usually feel fine because i'm looking after my physical health. It's not that hard to do at least half of these.

[Anonymous No.11238833]

>>11234942
Looks and sounds comfy, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11238838]

>>11238811
The pills don’t work and they will make him more psychotic down the line, he will get addicted to them, they will kill his libido, they will damage his mind’s eye permanently, they will affect his speech and writing significantly (grammar changes noticably) and they will lessen his aesthetic experiences and cause depersonalization. they will also cause him to gain weight, probably give him IBS, may cause motor problems (they will) and will prematurely age him. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about at all. And the second section, about the lifestyle changes, its mostly diet and having sex that cures depression, which is biological, you don’t understand what open systems are because you’re scientifically illiterate and parroting your doctor, the news and friends

[Anonymous No.11238855]

>>11238838
>they will damage his mind’s eye
Stopped reading here

[Anonymous No.11238879]

>>11233581
Read up on the symptoms and mimick them.
For example black and white thinking is common, autists think something is either good or bad. There's no nuances.

Try to be as egocentric (introverted) as possible, don't focus on external things or other people.

[Anonymous No.11238891]

>>11233947
Conspiracy Against the Human Race

[Anonymous No.11238918]

>>11230715
Hard to say without knowing how your depression and anxiety manifest themselves, what causes them, or what triggers them. You won't find a cure-all in literature, nor will anyone be able to recommend anything of value. Or if they do, it will certainly be by mistake.

Seek therapy, maybe some CBT and don't believe the SSRi pill scare-mongering. They are over-prescribed and American suburbanites do pop them needlessly, but that does not strip them of therapeutic value for those who actually need them. Just see a professional and make sure they've trained at a big research school and they sufficiently educated in science to be able to engage and keep up with scientific literature (PhD over SciD preferably, but not necessarily).

[Anonymous No.11238927]

>>11231230
REEEEEEE: The post

[Anonymous No.11238970]

>>11236682
"You shouldn't hate yourself" is a pretty radical message even today. Isn't it?

[Anonymous No.11239127]

>>11237343
Happiness is futile.
Seek meaning; most of the positive emotion people feel is a consequence of progress towards a valuable goal, not of attaining it.
Aim high, and work hard. Strengthen yourself and learn. Be humble.
Also don't think too much, rather, pay attention. Be aware of unexpected beauty in life

Also stop being a degenerate, don't waste your time and stop watching pornography (this is important)

[Anonymous No.11239155]

>>11238855
i don’t know why, Seroquel and Trazodone mute mind’s eye visuals and interfere with psychedelic trips. I know this for a fact

[Anonymous No.11239181]

>>11239127
hello there reddit

[Anonymous No.11239214]

>>11230715
Talk to a bot
Become the bot
Talk to yourself
Hate yourself for talking

[Anonymous No.11239216]

>>11230715
American Psycho

[Anonymous No.11239242]

>>11238891
i know i'm a pleb for this but this fucking book blackpilled me and i wish i never read it. funnily enough i got out of my depression and started making improvements in my life (or at least tried to) shortly before buying it, now i can't go 1 or 2 days without having intrusive thoughts about ligotti's depressing ass outlook on life. the thoughts i have are babby's first existential crisis tier, but i still hate them.

[Anonymous No.11239246]

>>11239242
take another pill

yeah I bet that you will

damn word can't keep it real

[Anonymous No.11239256]

this was pretty ok for that purpose

[Anonymous No.11239369]

Read poetry and life suddenly makes sense, even if it's depressing poetry.
Pretty shameful you're on /lit/ and didn't figure this out.

[Anonymous No.11239376]

>>11239369
reminds me of:

Mill went through months of sadness and pondered suicide at twenty years of age. According to the opening paragraphs of Chapter V of his autobiography, he had asked himself whether the creation of a just society, his life's objective, would actually make him happy. His heart answered "no", and unsurprisingly he lost the happiness of striving towards this objective. Eventually, the poetry of William Wordsworth showed him that beauty generates compassion for others and stimulates joy.[2] With renewed joy he continued to work towards a just society, but with more relish for the journey. He considered this one of the most pivotal shifts in his thinking. In fact, many of the differences between him and his father stemmed from this expanded source of joy.

[Anonymous No.11240296]

This whole thread reads like a typical threads on /wiz/ or /depression/ over on wizchan.

Despite the meme title and the bad advice on sleeping, this video actually triggered something in me to be motivated a little bit more. I still will not increase my hours of work above 20 or maybe 25, but it still had a lasting effect on me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scr2PrcDxEo

[Anonymous No.11240340]

>>11238811
>>11238838
Thread music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hgELxiURLk

[Anonymous No.11240379]

>>11231231
This, I tripped twice in 2014 and it basically saved my life.

[Anonymous No.11240473]

>>1123123
This. After taking mushrooms I spent a whole month with that "high" feeling of contentment you usually get from mindfuļness meditation. It went away though, unfortunately (maybe due to taking shitty lsd)

[Anonymous No.11240508]

>>11238821

[Anonymous No.11241589]

>>11233388
When you get 7/7.

[Anonymous No.11241599]

>>11233947
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/Black_Iron_Prison_July2007.pdf

[Anonymous No.11241610]

>>11231764
question to others: what do you consider a fulfilling career?
also
>sensible bedtime
lmao

[Anonymous No.11241615]

>>11231764
tfw 6 out of 7 but still feel like shit

[Anonymous No.11241661]

Prometheus Rising

[Anonymous No.11242206]

>>11238970
"You should strive to get what you want and overcome weakness" is a bit more rare

[Anonymous No.11242219]

>>11231764
6/7. I'll never have a fulfilling career because such a thing is impossible for a person like me. I don't meticulously plan my finances, but I don't impulse buy and I live within my means. A romantic and social life is completely out of the question. I will never have sex. I've long since reconciled myself with that fact.

[Anonymous No.11242221]

Emil Cioran

[Anonymous No.11242224]

5/7. I'll never have a fulfilling career because such a thing is impossible for a person like me. I don't meticulously plan my finances, but I don't impulse buy and I live within my means. A romantic and social life is completely out of the question. I will never have sex. I've long since reconciled myself with that fact.

[Anonymous No.11242476]

>>11240508
It's true.

[Anonymous No.11242671]

>>11230715
Being and Time

[Anonymous No.11242750]

>>11238022
It is a problem when it gets to an extreme.

I think people taking Depression and Anxiety at face value is a mistake though. Cultures pathologise what they want to excise from themselves. They medicalise what they are indifferent to. We most of us live in this darwinian global capitalist machine... And we are supposed to be happy about it, and all the material goods it brings us.

Depression and Anxiety are pathologised because we are supposed to be happy and carefree, not sad and fearful. People often observe that on Facebook people pretend to be virtuous... but we also pretend to be a lot happier than we really are.

The question is... Why would anyone be happy about spending most of their day in an office or a factory doing meaningless bullshit? And why would anyone be carefree when things get increasingly shitty, but still masquerade as "progress"?

I don't think the experience of Depression and Anxiety are fake. But I think the way we talk about them is deeply revealing. They are regarded as an individual aberration, rather than largely a result of the desolating and indifferent society that we live in.

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>>11238811
>not conspiratorial NEET morons on 4chan who are probably mentally ill themselves.
why did this made me laugh, but yea I was on antidepressants for 5 years (after spending some time in psychiatry institution), I'm to 2 years off it and I spent two hours today standing on a bridge above Danube
should I go back to meds or just kys

[Anonymous No.11242880]

Do not shield yourself from the sun, bask in its glory instead

[Anonymous No.11242912]

>>11242750
dropping some good redpills here

[Anonymous No.11242918]

>>11237343
acepting what is . yeah that's good . go watch a Google talk on meditation .
my faves are done by monks . I guess what I'm trying to say is meditation and cold showers ! the microbiome is also important . feed yourself good food . avoid highly processed foods.

[Anonymous No.11242937]

>>11231764
>heatlhy eating
I ONLY EAT CORDON BLEU AND CORN AT LUNCH AND WHATEVER MY MOM MAKES FOR DINNER, HOW DO I EAT HEALTHY

[Anonymous No.11242944]

>>11231764
This except the career and relationship shit. That's meant for wagecucks and delusional retards respectively

[Anonymous No.11242954]

>>11238918
>>Seek therapy, maybe some CBT
Reddit.

[Anonymous No.11242957]

>>11238891
read this post and started looking up what this book was about.
is it just a post-modern rejection of all philosophies, painting them all as "self deception" and "insanity" or is it worth my time ?

[Anonymous No.11242980]

>>11242954
>hahah, no, don't get with the wagecuck capitalist program and refuse to take any responsibility for your misery

There's a special corner of reddit for you as well, but you're right, 4chan is more your home for the likes of you.

[Anonymous No.11243158]

>>11242980
>acknowledging anxiety as a genuine mental illness
>not reddit

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>>11238811
>just fuck your neurochemestry up bro

Antidepressants are only somewhat useful as a last resort. If you got the kind of depression that threatens your life, alright, but otherwise if you are staying somewhat functional don't pop up those damn pills, and seek emotional support, because they won't do shit.

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>>11239127
Delve into more philosophy than Jordan Peterson. You’re on the right track, but don’t stagnate within his viewpoint. Start with Nietzsche, I know Pete mentions him a lot. Starting with the Greeks is a meme, btw. Get out there.

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>>11239155
Seroquel is a fucking antipsychotic, of course it’s gonna fuck with your mushroom trip you dunce

[Anonymous No.11243424]

>>11231764
>0/7
JUST

[Anonymous No.11243446]

>>11243424
At least drink more water my man

[Anonymous No.11243454]

My depression and anxiety means I have no patience for reading, so I wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.11243463]

>>11243446
I'm trying
I def have anxiety, but depression is probably just a symptom from the way I live my life with ADHD, wasted potential and missing deadlines and shit

[Anonymous No.11243467]

Why on earth would you think a book would help you with your unhappiness? Do you think 100 years ago someone unhappy would pick up a book to explain how to be happy? Your unhappiness is literally the most important thing in your life, it is your personal philosophy, it is your reason to live, it is you value and the world's value. How could a book possibly explain away your unhappiness?

For the vast majority of human history, unhappy men would find happiness by confiding in and engaging with other men. Go find some good men to befriend and spend time with, and I am 99% sure your unhappiness with dissipate.

And please, fuck off with your "depression" bullshit. The word "depression" presupposes that you are entitled to contentedness by merely being alive. It takes away the entire free agency of man and replaces it with entitlement and ignorance. YOU ARE UNHAPPY. Why, you dumb faggot? It's like going to a doctor and telling him you are sick. "How so?" "Dunno, just sick." Find friends and find a "society" to a part of, and you will no longer be depressed. Fuck off with books.

[Anonymous No.11243479]

>>11243463
>I waste my life and and fall short of my obligations
>But this isn't my fault, I am just "depressed"!!11

[Anonymous No.11243488]

>>11243479
No, depression is a symptom, not a cause. Lrn2rd faggot

[Anonymous No.11243499]

>>11243488
Depression and ADHD aren't real, you are unhappy because you are disappointing yourself and you have "ADHD" because you spend all of your fucking time on a low time-preference instant-gratification Yodeling Enthusiast Discord Server

[Anonymous No.11243507]

>>11243499
Thanks doctor. I've had ADHD since long before I ever touched a computer, when I only read books and played outside and shit.

[Anonymous No.11243521]

>>11243507
And what did you do to improve your attention? Surely you've taken a course or two on meditation, went on hour-long walks multiple times a week, exercised rigorously, found an artistic outlet, etc? Or did you jump to, "huh, I don't like where my attention goes, must be something inherent to my entire personhood instead of the byproduct of how I live my life"

[Anonymous No.11243528]

>>11243521
Yeah, I did all of those things, except the courses because you don't really need that. Not on medication now either.

[Anonymous No.11243542]

>>11233443
quick ring up all the doctors and psychologists and tell them they're wrong, some anon on 4chan just disproved all the biomarkers that prove anxiety effects people physically as well as mentally

[Anonymous No.11243548]

>>11243528
I fucking hate you scum. Hate. Hate. HATE.

[Anonymous No.11243555]

>>11243542
I said it was a reddit disorder not a fake one.

[Anonymous No.11243716]

>>11243548
There, there. Everything will be OK.

[Anonymous No.11243723]

>>11243555
People can be born reddit?

[Anonymous No.11243846]

>>11243555
ok so what does reddit disorder mean?

[Anonymous No.11243883]

>>11233947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o

[Anonymous No.11244130]

>>11242862
Talk with a competent psychologist.

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>>11242224
I love you anon

[Anonymous No.11244197]

>>11232827
This

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>>11243467
Depression is by definition a persistent state of mind that is worse than the situation warrants, i.e it's an issue itself that requires attention, rather than simply being a natural response to external factors. Try to avoid having shitfits over topics you're ignorant about.

[Anonymous No.11244248]

I'm too anxious to go to a doctor, I'd need to prepare myself for it for weeks to be able to do it. I view it as a personal failure, I alone am responsible for being ill. It's strange, I'm mentally ill and all I feel for ill people like myself is contempt.

Feels pretty /lit/ too.

[Anonymous No.11244286]

>>11243467
> Do you think 100 years ago someone unhappy would pick up a book to explain how to be happy?

Yes.

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>>11233947
Journey to the End of the night desu.

[Anonymous No.11244733]

>>11230715
Katawa Shoujo.

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>>11231764
What if I only fail miserably at ‘active romantic and social life’?

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>>11241610

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>>11244248
>I alone am responsible for being ill.
no you're responsible for remaining ill

[Anonymous No.11245318]

>>11243467
what if ur a grill

[Anonymous No.11245326]

>>11230715
>>11244248
Read Will by G Gordon Liddy

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>>11231764
i do all of this (except that i have no romantic/social life, too ugly) and I want to kill myself

[Anonymous No.11246707]

>>11232837
SPIRITUALITY

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>>11236600
Came to post this. /lit/ is reedemed.

[Anonymous No.11246983]

>>11230715
go for a 30min quick-paced walk every day for a week and tell me if you still have "depression and anxiety"

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>>11243846
being angst ridden is associated with being lower socio-sexual status, redditors are office bugs ergo they are lower social status and thus anxious all the time. Something like that. Its really fucking stupid to assume this is a rule that's reliable for discerning who is or is not anxious or whether its founded in reality or self-hatred. I think women are demonstrably higher neuroticism, Jews, gays too, so there is something to be said for this, but alpha males also experience higher stress than the gen pop so its not useful.

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>>11246983
I run and work out four times a week, eat protein, vegetables, fats, and fruits, meditate, sleep well, and take anti-depressants and anti-anxieties. That all helps, but not that much.

[Anonymous No.11247846]

The Outlines of Pyrrhonism. I prefer the Benson Mates translation. It presents a way of thinking about the events and problems of life, intending to be therapeutic. A lot of anxiety and depression is from things that need to be dropped instead of digested, and this is, imho, the preeminent tool for the job, when adequately applied.

Meditations, Letters From a Stoic, and the Enchiridion/Discourses are good alternatives that tackle the problem in a different way.

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>>11230715
Congratulations! You have once again succeeded in posting a thinly-veiled 'literature' thread with the intention to gossip like a schoolgirl!

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>>11236542

[Anonymous No.11248197]

It's almost like

If you remove essential parts of life like socializing, exercise, healthy eating and good sleep

It's almost as if

If you don't do any of that

You'll feel depressed and anxious?!?!?!? And nothing besides your own commitment to correcting bad behavior will change that?!?!?

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>>11248197
please take charge of my life miss

[Anonymous No.11248257]

>>11230715
Read Seneca my man

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>>11248257
What's his best stuff?

[Anonymous No.11248276]

>>11248257
Seneca literally suicided himself that's the opposite of stopping to be depression

[Anonymous No.11248297]

Just take the epicurean pill. I did and I haven't looked back.

http://www.epicurus.net/en/vatican.html

[Anonymous No.11248304]

>>11248276
It wasn't a suicide out of depression you christian-brainwashed retard

[Anonymous No.11248318]

>>11230715
all of them can

[Anonymous No.11248348]

A book really isn't going to help, friendo. Most doctors these days, while they promote medication and talking therapy, they'd also advise some sort of exercise regime, getting increased sunlight, being more social, creating a daily schedule for yourself, etc. All of these will help you get out of your rut. If you don't want to see a doctor, or if you live in a country where seeing a doctor and the addition of medication + therapy will bankrupt you, then perhaps try those other methods. Go for long walks, try to be social to the best of your ability. If you've ostracised yourself from what were your friends then socialising can just be starting an informal chat with the barista or something.

I'm sure this place being this place, people will turn up their nose at this advice, but hey, it might help someone.

[Anonymous No.11248367]

>>11234477
good dubs good post

[Anonymous No.11248429]

How does one work up the will to read during a depressive episode? I have absolutely cannot concentrate on anything during mine. I just zone out in front of the computer.

[Anonymous No.11248458]

>>11248429
Get a kindle and see how you zone out in front of that.

[Anonymous No.11248463]

>>11230715
Extremely physically exhausting manual labor helped me.

[Anonymous No.11248547]

>>11248458
That's probably a good idea.

[Anonymous No.11248642]

>>11248463
This. After doing 2 weeks of manual labour, my mood had lifted substantially, I was fit, and all the brain fog that comes with depression had dissipated entirely. It put into context for me just how badly depression fucks with your ability to think clearly. I was also forced into a tight sleeping schedule which probably helped, and I was eating healthy foods the entire time. You have to maintain it though, which is the real challenge.

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>>11239127
>tfw nihilist

guess I'm fucked then, I can't convince myself anything is actually meaningful

[Anonymous No.11250327]

>>11246983
Absolute fucking retard.

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>>11230715
a cool little book i read was called SILENCE

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Silence-Age-Noise-Erling-Kagge/dp/0241309875

It's nothing groundbreaking but it's a thoughtful little book written by an explorer, describing his experiences of finding silence within himself walking across Antarctica alone for weeks.

It's similar to mindfulness but he never uses that term. It's alot less preachy and just a dude writing his thoughts down

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>>11246983
dont just go for a walk, sure walks are nice, but there is no feeling like pushing yourself to the absolute limit of your strength and fitness, and achieving something, and seeing progress over time.

[Anonymous No.11251756]

>>11233556
>implying i am not autistic and psychotically depressed

[Anonymous No.11251908]

The Cat and the Coochie

[Anonymous No.11251973]

>>11231380
>he gave up halfway through the first book
>he doesn't consider that maybe Aurelius is thanking certain people for letting him realize what he had in himself, rather than them actually possessing those qualities.

>>11230715
The Bible. 5 mins a day for 30 days. There's no catch-all cure but go outside, meditate, run 30 mins a day, try to get a job or go to school. If none of that sounds appealing, I'm sorry. You're probably in a bad place right now, man. Hope you get better.

[Anonymous No.11252093]

The Dream Of A Ridiculous man