is the new yorker right?

[Anonymous No.11217407]

Is Vonnegut better than DFW?

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/seven-signs-that-your-mans-masculinity-is-nontoxic

[Anonymous No.11217424]

How did DFW even become associated with "toxic masculinity" in the firsst place?

[Anonymous No.11217425]

>>11217407
>/humor/
I cant even tell anymore

[Anonymous No.11217432]

>>11217407
to be fair I have to meet someone who liked DFW and wasn't a huge brainlet
the article is satire by the way

[Anonymous No.11217460]

>another fucking hefty mid-thirties broad telling me how to properly strap on my chastity device and perform all the self-flagellate shibboleths of modern fag culture properly so that she will accept my Tinder invitation to buy her some chai boba and have a polyamorous relationship with me and three Austronesian serial killers who have the "warrior gene"

OH, BOY!! I CAN'T WAIT TO READ THIS "THE NEW YORKER" ARTICLE! I BET IT'S FULL OF INFORMATION I CAN USE FOR MY LIFE!

[Anonymous No.11217461]

>>11217407
>Is Vonnegut better than DFW?
He's a better novelist at the least.

[Anonymous No.11217583]

>>11217460
kek this is a pretty good post

[Anonymous No.11217589]

>>11217460
it's satire actually

[Anonymous No.11217598]

>>11217407
can't see any masculinity of any kind in this article

[Anonymous No.11217611]

>>11217460
Great post. /lit/ really is the best board.

[Anonymous No.11217617]

>>11217589
points 4 and 5 seem ernest

[Anonymous No.11217619]

Why do you even care? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just saying that anyone that unironically listens to these kinds of bullshit brainwashing "perfect man" check lists is probably just some middle aged lonely spinster bitch in her 40 that doesn't know Jack shit about anything, and has to have some hack writer from the Jew Yorker fill their empty head with propoganda to give her some sense of purpose to her empty, lonely life that they themselves are responsible for in the first place for being such a choosey nitpicking cunt

So yeah why even bother worrying about this kind of trite sensationalism anyway?

[Anonymous No.11217622]

>>11217460
good post

[Anonymous No.11217624]

>>11217460
>buy her chai boba
that, or GROUPON TICKETS TO HAMILITON!!!!11!!

[Anonymous No.11217655]

>>11217460
lol this is a pretty good post desu anon

[Anonymous No.11217668]

>toxic masculinity
>being pushed by jews
Check.

[Anonymous No.11217669]

>>11217617
>More:HumorSatire

[Anonymous No.11217677]

I'm going to be honest I don't understand this coastal elite humor

[Anonymous No.11217701]

>>11217677
>elite
>implying that the people who produce the new yorker aren't bourgeois trash

[Anonymous No.11217703]

>>11217407
Saw this on /fit/.
>it's not satire
>>11217677
Me neither. I tried watching SNL now and then but I don't recall laughing once.

[Anonymous No.11217747]

>>11217619
>>11217460
>>11217668
Anyone who didn't immediately realize that it was satire is severely autistic.

>>11217677
To be fair, you need to have a very high IQ to understand the satire of the coastal elite. The humor is very subtle, and without a solid foundation of American university education most of the jokes will go over a typical reader's head.

[Anonymous No.11217753]

>>11217460
>>11217619
guys guys its clearly tongue in cheek no need to get too mad

[Anonymous No.11217769]

>>11217407
The New Yorker is such a joke.

[Anonymous No.11217771]

>>11217589
>>11217617
>>11217669
Both correct, it is humor, thinly masking earnestness. This is the cultural aesthetic that's been prevalent since the grunge era, where bands who disavowed fame-striving corporate rock played just as loud and hard, repressing their own rockstar aspirations insofar as it gave them "cred" to be anti-establishment. They all eventually signed, of course.

See also 2004-era hipster irony

[Anonymous No.11217784]

this is satire you autists
though i know for certain there exists people who genuinely believe things like this so there's not really any silver lining anyways

[Anonymous No.11217785]

>>11217407
>new yorker

[Anonymous No.11217786]

>>11217424
Killing yourself after writing your magnum opus is the definition of toxicity you bigot.

[Anonymous No.11217793]

>>11217424
Someone please post the tracksuit anecdote

[Anonymous No.11217799]

>>11217460
10/10

[Anonymous No.11217803]

>>11217407
I haven't seen a cringier attempt of satire.

[Anonymous No.11217824]

>>11217424

Audience pussy.

[Anonymous No.11217829]

>>11217771
>7. He strictly follows all traffic laws when he plays Grand Theft Auto. His Sims world is a matriarchy. He does not have a Twitter account.
It's very clearly meant to be humoristic. Point 4 and 5 seem more earnest only in order to mock feminists further.

[Anonymous No.11217841]

>>11217785

[Anonymous No.11217854]

>>11217841
Wait a second I RECOGNIZE THAT GAY BLOWJOB

[Anonymous No.11217859]

>>11217785
>not pig_in_heat.jpg
waste.

[Anonymous No.11217871]

>>11217460
This post is clearly satire.

[Anonymous No.11217885]

>>11217407
they're both bad desu

[Anonymous No.11217886]

>>11217859
that would be sexist

[Anonymous No.11217902]

>>11217424
he was a violent, dysfunctional weirdo who stalked and abused a woman named Mary Karr, who's accusations the media largely ignored. her story eventually got picked up by a bunch of sjw media outlets--the only type who use terminology like "toxic masculinity" in the first place-- and it spread from there.

[Anonymous No.11217910]

>>11217871
>only pretending to be retarded

[Anonymous No.11217920]

>>11217460

Inspired post anon. Musical even. 10/10.

[Anonymous No.11217927]

is this satire? like what even is this? What

[Anonymous No.11217928]

>>11217460
Nobody is forcing you to read it

[Anonymous No.11217929]

>>11217902
>who stalked and abused a woman named Mary Karr
translation: he asked her out a few times and went to the same bars as her just to "accidentally" run into her

[Anonymous No.11217932]

>>11217785
do the two rocks and dark hole behind her represent her fat old ass and gaping vagine?

[Anonymous No.11217957]

>>11217771
its called post-irony

[Anonymous No.11217980]

>>11217407

Yes. DFW wrote one good, flawed, influential novel, that arguably touches on greatness in spots. Vonnegut wrote a handful of good novels, some of which arguably touch on greatness in spots. I'd say he's more popular than influential, which isn't a bad thing. DFW also has the black mark of being a literary theorist against him.

[Anonymous No.11218519]

>>11217929
How is it not stalking? Would you be cool with a 500 pounds whale in position of power (and all the implications with it) trying to get your dick that hard?

[Anonymous No.11218556]

>>11217407
>seven-signs-that-your-mans-masculinity-is-nontoxic
I'm fucking done.

[Anonymous No.11218561]

>>11217407
I understand this is satire, but I don't understand why some liberals hate Wallace. All I can see online is women saying males who read him are assholes.

[Anonymous No.11218574]

seems like they hate basedboys as much as us.
is /lit/ chimping out because--dare i say--they didnt read the "humor" article?

[Anonymous No.11218583]

>>11218574
>basedboys
s o y l e n t

[Anonymous No.11218610]

>>11217407

My friend tried to tell me the first sentence of point #5 means Chee is fishing foe cuck boyfriends.

I told him he was unitonically a cuck if that was his interpretation and that literally 99% of people didn’t see it. Nabokov wasn’t a pedophile just as Bret Easton Ellis has a conscience. Art is meant to be interpreted is what I said, Idiot. Sympathy doesn’t ephal empathy.

[Anonymous No.11218618]

>>11218583
this post is illegible to anyone 2 yrs ago lol

[Anonymous No.11218621]

>>11217785
brother, would you spare me some oats?

[Anonymous No.11218640]

>>11217407
My friend tried to tell me the first sentence of point #5 means Chee is fishing for cuck boyfriends.

I told him he was unironically a cuck if that was his interpretation and that literally 99% of people didn’t read it that way. Nabokov wasn’t a pedophile just as Bret Easton Ellis has a conscience. Art is meant to be interpreted is what I said to that Idiot. Sympathy doesn’t equal empathy doesn’t equal telepathy.

[Anonymous No.11218651]

>>11217407
They both sick

[Anonymous No.11218696]

>>11218621
underrated

[Anonymous No.11218717]

>>11217460

[Anonymous No.11218789]

>>11218621
No, these are my oats, you must gather your own

[Anonymous No.11218952]

>>11217460
yikes

[Anonymous No.11219006]

>>11217929
he was following her kid to school and shit. you're obviously an MGTOW incel woman-hater, but if she was your sister, you'd have rightfully taken a bat to his head.

[Anonymous No.11219020]

>>11217460
excellent post yet again! we're on a roll here, ! haha

[Anonymous No.11219023]

>>11217677
you understand it just fine, you’re just not weak and effeminate enough to convince yourself it’s good

[Anonymous No.11219031]

>>11217460
kek

[Anonymous No.11219034]

>>11217624
lol, I love it!

[Anonymous No.11219039]

Am I losing my mind or was that clearly meant to be satire? Seems like they were deliberately making fun of the kinda guys who go out of their way to be as "non-toxic" as possible and end up just looking spineless and boring. I'm honestly surprised the New Yorker put that out.

[Anonymous No.11219073]

>>11219039
It's written right there that it's supposed to be satire. I don't know why the fuck you spergs are losing your minds over this.

[Anonymous No.11219156]

>>11217407
This is absolute gold. Love that the New Yorker knows they can still take the piss.

[Anonymous No.11219698]

>The New Yorker mocks the concept of Toxic Masculinity

Don't see that every day. I actually liked this article, it evoked an emotion of rage from me despite obviously being parody simply because I know the men they're talking about actually exist. This shit is gold.

[Anonymous No.11219707]

I mean this article does manage to make fun of BASEDboys while making /pol/ spergs who have zero ability to pick up on humor mad as fuck. It's good parody.

[Anonymous No.11219710]

>>11219698
>i like dicks in my butt
the post

[Anonymous No.11219724]

>>11217460
Put me in the screencap

[Anonymous No.11219731]

>>11219710
i don't like dicks in my butt at all though. Ever since I got anal fissures from shoving small objects up my ass as a preteen I vowed never again. Even today if my diet is poor my ass will rip open and start bleeding again.

[Anonymous No.11219742]

>>11217929
he stalked her child, destroyed her furniture in fits of rage and once attempted to throw her out of a moving vehicle.

[sneed No.11219748]

>>11217460
based

[Anonymous No.11220765]

>>11217424
It's too difficult for women

[Anonymous No.11220767]

>>11217424
He was known for being violent and rude.

[Anonymous No.11220794]

>the New Yorker is using Cuck in their """articles"""

What a world we live in

[Anonymous No.11220797]

>>11217460
Based. Based!

[Anonymous No.11220817]

>>11217460
like right outta nabokov

[Anonymous No.11220819]

>>11217460
this made me finally take that leap from centrist to alt right. thanks pal, im gonna go workout for the second time today

[Anonymous No.11220822]

>>11218640
>Nabokov wasn't a pedophile
lol

[Anonymous No.11220823]

>katzenstein

[Anonymous No.11220831]

>>11220819
Welcome to the resistance Brother

[Anonymous No.11220833]

>>11217407
hey

hey guys

listen

hey

what about if it

was

you know

the JEW yorker?

[Anonymous No.11220844]

>>11218621
>superlative_laughter.jpg

[Anonymous No.11220846]

That is one cuckerson looking mofo

[Anonymous No.11220863]

>>11217460
Le include le me in le screenleshot

[Anonymous No.11220865]

I look out for myself first in the workplace but I do try to advance women over men who aren't my friends cause women are much better to work with for me. Guys tend to either be extreme slackers or be hypercompetitive workaholics despite most of them not having really good abilities. So you have a 70th percentile guy turning into a huge asshole and giving himself health issues and executing complex plots so he can do 73rd percentile work. I just don't need that behavior in my life.

[Anonymous No.11220869]

>>11218621
Kek'd.

[Anonymous No.11220871]

/pol/ can't even take a joke lol

[Anonymous No.11220890]

>>11217929
the weirdest part about that to me is that mary karr doesnt seem like shes particularly insightful or talented, but i guess she's had like >20 years for her brain to turn into the same mush that affects every writer on twitter

[Anonymous No.11221107]

>>11217424
he's popular with lit-reading betas and "toxic masculinity" as a concept exists mostly as a bludgeon to keep the eternal beta in line

[Anonymous No.11221120]

>>11218621
Fuck my sides

[Anonymous No.11221826]

>>11217460
ooh lala

[Anonymous No.11223058]

>>11220846
That's obviously David Remnick.

[Anonymous No.11223081]

>>11217460
fucking nice

[Anonymous No.11223091]

>>11217407
I've done 5 out of 7 of these.

[Anonymous No.11223098]

>>11217407
The Jew Jorker is wrong about everything. Liberals hate DFW because he writes women as they are in real life. Vonnegut is good but DFW is a better writer.

[Anonymous No.11223107]

>>11223098
>he writes women as they are in real life.
What are his women like in a nutshell?

[Anonymous No.11223109]

>>11217424
Brief Interviews. Which is redpilled as shit. Also (I know someone already posted this) women don't understand him

[Anonymous No.11223112]

New Yorker is operating on so many levels of irony here that even 4chan is triggered

[Anonymous No.11223113]

>>11217432
Takes one to know one I guess.... you clearly are not a close reader or well read and all your friends are hipsters

[Anonymous No.11223121]

>>11217771
That is specific as hell

[Anonymous No.11223128]

>>11217785
Being obese on a post industrial scale is 'natural' to the yid

[Anonymous No.11223129]

>>11217902
Based David.
KARR DESERVED IT

#WALLACEDIDNOTHINGWRONG

[Anonymous No.11223131]

>>11223112
It's a single level of irony, otherwise known as sarcasm. Go back to twitter, summerfag.

[Anonymous No.11223136]

The whole article is stupid, but who the hell watches a movie like this?

[Anonymous No.11223141]

>>11217902
You're like the retard who doesn't like a band because the lead singer is violent. Who fucking cares about their personal life? You don't have to be friends to like their work

[Anonymous No.11223144]

>>11223136
Chubby guys in purple tanktops.

[Anonymous No.11223151]

>>11223131
Yeah like wtf are they even trying to say? Are they making fun of toxic masculinity or basedboys or what?

[Anonymous No.11223156]

>>11223107
They're not the female character on almost every tv show. They are like the women on Breaking Bad however

[Anonymous No.11223161]

>>11217460
Overrated, and you guys praising this are midwit CHUD pseuds.

[Anonymous No.11223163]

>>11223156
Breaking Bad is cartoonish though.

[Anonymous No.11223169]

>>11223151
Toxic masculinity. It's the new yorker, guys. Overthinking it is giving them far too much credit.

[Anonymous No.11223171]

>>11223129
>Q. In his relationship with the author Mary Karr, Wallace exhibited a good deal of anger. You write that he once considered killing her husband and that he once tried to push her from a moving car. On Twitter, Karr wrote: “As for my ‘sinking’ him, DFW had two major suicide attempts before I met him. He came crazy, I didn’t make him that way.” What was it about his feelings for her that created such trouble for Wallace?

>A. Until he met his wife, Karen Green, in 2002, David preferred what he called, in a letter to a friend, “serial high-romance and low-intimacy” relationships. He cared more about the hunt than the capture. Mary, who was married when they met, was not smitten by him and gave as good as she got. I always think of the line in “The Great Gatsby” about how a bad driver is safe until he meets another bad driver. Mary was that driver. And they were both newly sober. I don’t think a lot of clear thinking went on between them. But she opened him up to the kind of heartfelt and direct writing he was afraid of. I’m convinced her rejection made him teachable; it touched his core of self-doubt.

>>11223141
He was answering the question of why DFW is considered to be an example of toxic masculinity, not making a statement of whether or not he liked DFW's work, you colossal retard.

[Anonymous No.11223172]

>>11217785

>thought this was an edit
>look it up
>it's real
>she's dead now
>The New Yorker tweeted the same picture when she died

[Anonymous No.11223173]

>>11223163
You said nutshell bro. And I'm a fonefag. Don't want to tyoe shit. I do want to start a DFW thread when I get to my laptop in like 20 min though. I can go into derail

[Anonymous No.11223180]

>>11217677
honestly, you are a literal pleb
also your post reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmkq7yylRkU

[Anonymous No.11223183]

>>11223173
Ok. I want to read him but if he's like Breaking Bad I will stay away. But will be interested to read your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.11223187]

>>11223172
Her? Dead? You must be shitting me. Someone in their prime just goes for no reason. Makes you wonder

[Anonymous No.11223204]

>>11223172
Is Vonnegut better than DFW? That was the only question. Word for word. Check yourself. It's not as difficult as you think.
Learn English and get back to me Hans

[Anonymous No.11223223]

>>11223171
The point is it doesn't matter what someone is like in real life. Their work is apart from them as a person. How are you not getting this? It's pretty simple duality. Go to college

[Anonymous No.11223379]

>>11223223
As far as I'm concerned, the details of an author's life are just flavour text. Nice but not necessary, won't change my opinion on if I like somebody's work. Your gripe should be aimed the people being satirized in the article who believe certain authors should not be read because of their real life behaviour, i.e. people who need authors they enjoy to be champions of morality so as to not compromise their own apparent morals. You are instead firing misaimed complaints at someone who wanted to know what those people think is so bad about DFW's personal life, an anon who answered that question, and an anon who has to explain to you that no one ITT is saying to not read DFW or any other author because of goings-on in their lives. You're trying to argue against people with a specific belief who aren't even here.

[Anonymous No.11223430]

>>11223379
Why does his personal life matter at all? That's what I'm saying. No one should be focusing on his life because it's meaningless to his work, or at least should be. It's detached. Whether DFW or Vonnegut are the better author has nothing to do with their lives, and DFW being called toxic should have nothing to do with his life. I know they're calling him toxic because of what he's written, and not because of a stalking incident the person who wrote the New Yorker article is not at all referencing.

[Anonymous No.11223440]

>vonnegut
No. I don't worship DFW, but vonnegut was literally a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11223466]

>>11223129
Have you read her poetry?

[Anonymous No.11223467]

>>11223183
Well this thread is still alive, so no point in my starting a new one.

His writing is not like Breaking Bad, first of all. He writes in a way that goes into extreme detail, sometimes seemingly without a purpose, but the detail itself becomes the purpose, and often those details are the exposition of the characters' internal dialog. In other words, he writes details about everything around in the environment, and also psychological details from the characters' minds. In that sense he's the complete opposite of Bret Easton Ellis and Cormac Macarthy who write almost no exposition. Wallace writes tons of exposition. To me, this makes a good read. Macarthy is enjoyable, but too simple and easy and it goes by too quickly. It's just like watching a movie. But reading DFW forces your brain into thetawaves, so in that sense it's totally different from being fed images on a screen. But, unlike me, his writing isn't just rambling. It's all well crafted and centered around a main idea, so there is always a pay off and an insight into every scene, etc. He gives you a lot to think about. All the Pretty Horses is a good book, but it's for people who don't like to read, is what I'm saying. Infinite Jest is for people who want the ultimate read.

[Anonymous No.11223505]

>>11223466
that's not bad

[Anonymous No.11223516]

>>11223505
Yes it is.

[Anonymous No.11223528]

>>11223430
It's almost like they believe a writer's personality and views can play into the content of their fiction.

[Anonymous No.11223531]

>>11217785
the amount of damage she did to "the land" by consuming literally tons of meat and grain products, and hundreds of gallons of soda each year is incalculable. She is raping that georgious rock with her fat lard body. Just wish a coyote would've eaten her desu.

[Anonymous No.11223532]

>>11223466
All poetry is bad, so what.

[Anonymous No.11223537]

>>11223169
But that would imply that they aren't making fun of the people pictured which they clearly are. Are they going after both?

[Anonymous No.11223538]

>>11223531

[Anonymous No.11223592]

>>11217747
Yeah I really need an east coast liberal arts education to notice the word humor in the url. /lit/ has really gone down the shitter since so many people has missed what is obviously meant to be a joke.

[Anonymous No.11223898]

Dfw is the canonical favorite author for guys who are hot but also self-centered headcases

[Anonymous No.11223922]

>>11223537
No. For fuck's sake. The pics are their readership.

[Anonymous No.11223966]

>>11220865
I've worked in entirely male workplaces and they're so intensely retarded I never want to do it again. I don't mind women in the workplace. I just find it incredible that women have cucked men into allowing institutionalized sexism in the workplace through affirmative action schemes.

[Anonymous No.11223995]

>>11223528
Lewis Carrol was a kid fucker. Does that stop people from enjoying Alice? Hell no

[Anonymous No.11223997]

>>11223898
this is why i pretend to hate him irl

[Anonymous No.11224004]

>>11223966
Thanks for sharing. I always wondered what a gay bar was like.

[Anonymous No.11224008]

>>11217407
Okay, this is epic

[Anonymous No.11224017]

>>11223997
Persona before content. How's that working out for you?
Is everyone in here gay? Who the fuck cares what people think of you?

[Anonymous No.11224025]

>>11223151
They're making fun of BASEDboys. They're mocking their desperation to virtue signal. They're making fun of them for being pussies. They're making fun of their pretentiousness. They're mocking the inherently condescending nature of their savior complexes towards women. Really this article is mocking the typical male New Yorker reader which is good shit.

[Anonymous No.11224028]

>>11217460
Is this, dare I say it... the hottest post on /lit/ this decade?

[Anonymous No.11224128]

>>11224025
Those guys are represented in new Yorker readership but many are mongoloids who just read blogs about video games and george rr martin

[Anonymous No.11224215]

>>11217424
me too'ers

[Anonymous No.11224963]

>>11217407
Only because Vonnegut wrote "Harrison Bergeron".

[Anonymous No.11225005]

>>11217424
Have you ever been to a party where a bunch of faggy nu-males start loudly discussing Infinite Jest. I have. It is toxic in its own way.

[Anonymous No.11225218]

>>11217460
Immortalise me in the screenshot please

[Anonymous No.11225245]

this isn't "satire," its Pravda running a cheeky piece "7 tips on how to be a good party member" in 1975. CULTURAL MARXISM IS NOT A JOKE THEY'RE PRETENDING IRONY TO MAKE THEIR EVIL AGENDA CUTESY AND LIKEABLE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11225251]

>>11225245
It's manifestly satire. I hope this post is, too.

[Anonymous No.11225315]

>>11225251
>"manifestly"
>garbage simpsons meme

Shut the fuck up, Liberal. You can MANIFESTLY blow your bad takes and weak-seed unfunny memes out your ass.

[Anonymous No.11225319]

>>11225315

[Anonymous No.11225325]

>>11225315
So it is satire. Glad to have that cleared up.

[Anonymous No.11225340]

>>11225245
this. Its clearly post-ironic

[Anonymous No.11225365]

>>11223161
Don't forget to make your monthly Chapo payments, dweeb.

[Anonymous No.11226184]

I once asked my gf if she ever read Vonnegut and she said “what kind of basic bitch white girl do you think I am?”

[Anonymous No.11226213]

ITT: Retards who can't see this is in the satire section