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Anonymous Tue May 22 00:17:30 2018 No.11191140 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Hemingway so unpopular among the more liberal, progressive minded readers of literature? Why is he pegged as a sexist misogynist? He liked brave and masculine men who were stoic in hardship, but I don’t see anything sexist in his writing. In fact, he seems pretty sympathetic to women in works like The Sun Also Rises, “Up in Michigan,” and “Hills Like White Elephants.”

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:19:27 2018 No.11191147 >>11191140 Because faggots literally cannot understand the manly aesthetics of catching a fish

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:20:19 2018 No.11191148 leftists cannot comprehend masculinity

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:21:14 2018 No.11191152 Because they will go after anybody.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:22:03 2018 No.11191154 Most people I know like that actually do like Hemingway though, and they spout endless platitudes about how everything that isn't Hemingway is purple prose

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:22:07 2018 No.11191155 >>11191140 >masculine >most popular novel features a man with no dick If you think he's sexist or in any way supportive of masculinity you don't belong here.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:22:43 2018 No.11191161 File: 187 KB, 1200x1507, John_Stuart_Mill_by_London_Stereoscopic_Company,_c1870.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11191140 the man has js mill lumps, what a fucking beta. also, the sun also rises was a fucking shit book.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:50:54 2018 No.11191276 >>11191155 >man with no dick what

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:50:55 2018 No.11191277 I disagree

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 00:51:56 2018 No.11191282 >>11191154 what's purple prose >>11191161 why do you think it's shit

Anonymous Tue May 22 01:01:16 2018 No.11191341

>>11191276
You haven’t read it. I’m not the one you responded to, The Sun Also Rises is a great book. It’s about a man who was wounded in the war and in some way (it’s never explained) it makes him impotent. He’s kind of a had who has gotten his masculinity taken away (as all the men of the war did, whether they lost their dicks or not) and as to handle life after that. There’s also a fighting Jew and a beautiful young matador as well as one of the realist portrayals in literature of a woman’s true nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 02:39:30 2018 No.11191697 File: 42 KB, 500x322, 1526316820752.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11191341 >as well as one of the realist portrayals in literature of a woman’s true nature

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 02:48:18 2018 No.11191725 >>11191697 t. Woman

Anonymous Tue May 22 03:16:28 2018 No.11191793

Dunno, I've only read The Old Man and the Sea of him but judging by it I guess people can't accept that doing something for that long will make you partially insane for it and that is perfectly fine. I've also heard that people are triggered by the dream sequences and agonize about what it means but to me book felt really straightforward and we know about protagonist's subconscious just as much as he does so it's not a big deal that we don't get every little thing. In any case I loved the book and the level of empathy and acceptance that protagonist achieved. Everything felt incredibly deserved and grounded, great little book.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 03:18:33 2018 No.11191794 >>11191154 >spout endless platitudes rancid cliché.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 03:45:03 2018 No.11191864 >>11191140 Hemingway writes a good movie. If he were a filmmaker he'd be one of my favorite. However, this is not the case.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 03:47:07 2018 No.11191873 >>11191864 You’re wrong. Hemingway’s beauty would be lost on film because his writing forced you to read between the lines and infer meaning from what isn’t explicitly stated. On film the ambiguities would be lost.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 03:50:33 2018 No.11191882 >>11191140 Say what you will, Hemingway was an extremely aesthetic looking writer. He’s got the jaw, receding gray hair, beard/mustache, scar and weary looking eyes that say “I’ve lived.” Only Joyce is more aesthetic looking.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 03:53:12 2018 No.11191886 >>11191873 I'll have to politely disagree with that as you can do that in film as well. Hemingway's style lends itself to the screen.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 03:54:15 2018 No.11191891 >>11191886 You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect you

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 04:17:15 2018 No.11191943 Au Contraire he is the perrenial favorite of effete wastemen. DFW triggers leftists for some reason though. Probably because the size of IJ intimidates them.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 04:25:44 2018 No.11191968 >>11191873 Hemingway is utterly unambiguous and only requires you to "read between the lines" on a fourth grade level

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 04:29:27 2018 No.11191973 >>11191968 I’m sure that’s why people constantly post about how nothing happens in The Sun Also Rises and A Farewell to Arms is a shit book.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 04:44:30 2018 No.11192014 >>11191882 and his genes are still going strong

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 04:51:33 2018 No.11192026 >>11191282 purple prose us unnecessarily complicated writing. Hemingway is known for being very straightforward in his prose. He thinks it's shit because he needs a stimulating plot to enjoy a book and is incapable of reading between the lines.

Anonymous Tue May 22 05:04:43 2018 No.11192055

>>11191968

'reading between the lines' isn't specifically ambiguity, it's implication, and the phrase applies to many of his short stories, the ones that have an unsaid dramatic weight to them. implication can be precise and epiphanic (often in hemmingway, not uncommon in poetry), or it can generate multiplicity of meaning.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:10:32 2018 No.11192074 The dude is boring. His focus on simple and rugged manhood always seemed like a lame affectation, and Zelda Fitzgerald's comments on him just seem to confirm that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:25:04 2018 No.11192127 >>11192074 Boring isn’t really a legitimate criticism, you just didn’t get him Read “A Clean Well-Lighted Place” or “Snows of Kilimanjaro.” If you want a novel, A Farewell to Arms is good if you’re a plotfag.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:43:45 2018 No.11192184 >>11192127 How is it an affectation? He wrote fiction, not an autobiography. Was Dostoevsky putting on an affectation because never murdered someone with an axe? You’re just uncomfortable with masculine characters.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:44:47 2018 No.11192187 >>11192184 Meant for >>11192074

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:46:13 2018 No.11192188 >>11191154 >about how everything that isn't Hemingway is purple prose this Fucking MFA "show don't tell" bullshit is hailed as if it were the Gospel

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:53:50 2018 No.11192207 >>11191140 He isnt, stop projecting

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 07:41:08 2018 No.11192475 >>11192184 From all biographical accounts, he lived that way too. His contemporaries commented on it, too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 07:50:17 2018 No.11192502 >>11192184 >Crossdressing fetish >feeling miserable because there are better writers out there >killed himself

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