/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11185544]

Write what’s on your mind

[Anonymous No.11185548]

this hot weather is putting me a cis mood, wish it could be this hot all the time

[Anonymous No.11185555]

I’m like 300 pages into east of eden but I’ve been putting off reading it in favor of reading other books that I find more interesting and at this point I just wanna get it over with but here I am procrastinating again

[Anonymous No.11185556]

I want to meet a random stranger online, and go for a nice long drive through the city. Towards the end I'll park the car on a sunny road with a nice view, and cry everything I've bottled up since I was born.

[Anonymous No.11185558]

i will never see the form of the good in itself

[Anonymous No.11185559]

op ur pic reminds me of one summer when i was a teen on shrooms and i was chillin at a playground with all these kids and this chick i had fucked threated to jump off the top of the slide, it was like 10 feet max, i was like does she not realize she'll just break her ankle? theres fucking gravel at the bottom, maybe she thought i would go over and like give her attention and shit, little did she know i got the tism

[Anonymous No.11185562]

I need to go to bed. I procrastinate on reading and feel guilty.

[Anonymous No.11185601]

>>11185556
this sounds nice. what city?

[Anonymous No.11185606]

Do women really enjoy being treated like shit?

[Anonymous No.11185608]

>>11185601
>getting in the car with a psycho tranny from 4chan

someone wants the darwin award

[Anonymous No.11185609]

>>11185559
the pic reminds of the episode in the simpsons where milhouse gets a gf, but bart tells the girls dad because he gets jealous that they are spending so much time together, and the gf has to go to a new school and millhouse gets depressed.

[Anonymous No.11185613]

>>11185601
SF

[Anonymous No.11185616]

>>11185609
i watched all the simpsons once when they had two episodes a day and i still had a tv this was a long time ago but now i forgot them

[Anonymous No.11185621]

>>11185613
i just fucking left sf this morning, now im back in sacramento. you should have made this post earlier you dick

[Anonymous No.11185622]

>>11185606
all the evidence points to YES

[Anonymous No.11185627]

>>11185616
watch the first 8 seasons and parts of 9 again. it is and will always be the best television show ever.

[Anonymous No.11185628]

>>11185548
literally kill yourself. The heat makes me paradoxically tired/lazy and angry at the same time. It's unbearable. And it's light all the fucking time. I just want it to be cold and dark the whole day so I can be productive and happy. fuck this shit and fuck frolicking normies

[Anonymous No.11185634]

>>11185544
I wish to know what "true strength" is.

Absolutely wonders me how people tend to revolve around a certain idea or someone.

[Anonymous No.11185640]

>>11185628
have a fap, sheesh, plus when its hot its easier to chill outside at night u can read outside at like 3am as long as your neighborhood doesn't have a lot of black guys anyways

[Anonymous No.11185642]

someone should make that gif loop perfectly

[Anonymous No.11185645]

>>11185621

How do you want to connect? The way you type isn't impressing me, I'm all about sweet nostalgic sadness.

[Anonymous No.11185650]

>>11185645
do u work at a faang company? lets chill and like write some code n shit

[Anonymous No.11185655]

>>11185650
No, I'm a lower caste workeler.

[Anonymous No.11185661]

>>11185613
but really, sf is such a lonely city. i guess all cities are, but walking downtown this morning was so unpleasant. maybe im just not used to crowds that big, but i felt so insignificant and lost walking through everyone. i could not imagine living there alone, i hope youre not alone and if you are i hope you find someone. i imagine it must be tough there

[Anonymous No.11185665]

>>11185640
>implying you can't read outside in the snow
anything above a 60F dewpoint is unfit for (white) human habitation. It feels like a fucking malarial swamp outside at 3am

[Anonymous No.11185682]

>>11185665
u just have to think about all those hearty british soldiers who trekked through africa and india conquering the fuck out of everything in their path

[Anonymous No.11185688]

>>11185682
bunch of bitches

[Anonymous No.11185690]

>>11185661
>SF
>Downtown

You will never understand, a downtown is not a city and a city is not a downtown. The City is one of the most beautiful places on earth, a maze of unparalleled childlike beauty and imagination. I have everything in life, but I'm one of those miserable fucks who can't escape the feeling of being a kid.

[Anonymous No.11185696]

>>11185688
>flabby alt-right kekboi who gets fungus in his fatrolls when the bayou gets moist

ok bro

[Anonymous No.11185698]

>>11185690
whats wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.11185744]

>>11185665
thats why i'm going to marry an indian so my kids will be better adapted to the changing climate but still be aryan

[Anonymous No.11185812]

cities are big gay

[Anonymous No.11185825]

>>11185812
tru

[Anonymous No.11185836]

>>11185812
Jefferson pls go

[Anonymous No.11185852]

>>11185606
Yes and no.

The classic adage "Treat em mean, keep em keen" can be more tastefully, and I think more accurately, rendered as "Give them the space to miss you." Don't hand it to them. Women don't like getting smothered. They like being in the tenuous position where you hold that slight amount of power in the relationship.

[Anonymous No.11185862]

>>11185556
And then you get brutally murdered and your body gets dumped in the ditch on the side of the road. Stranger danger people. I feel ya tho

[Anonymous No.11185881]

Got a final tomorrow, have hardly studied, don't even care.
I spent more time writing a paper for a girl this weekend who asked if I could do it for her than do my own shit. It actually made me feel good to feel useful even if she was just using me. The mirage of the appreciation was nice for a little bit
I just want it all to end

[Anonymous No.11185893]

>>11185881
take the NEETpill. I haven't done anything but read and shitpost for a whole year

[Anonymous No.11185980]

>>11185634
Watch the movie Drive or read Siddhartha

[Anonymous No.11186107]

what if climate change is a conspiracy to make the planet uninhabitable for whites? any proud aryan concerned about the 14 words or whatever needs to buy a tesla, take the subway to work, get solar panels, and all that other hippy shit pronto

[Anonymous No.11186152]

People say you should surround yourself with people you want to be like, or at least people who are successful. It's terrible though. I'm the only loser in a pride of hyper-successful chads and it has taken what little self esteem I began with and ground it into nothing. It's too late for me to start a successful career, and I'm reminded of this whenever I'm with them. I never stood a chance with women to begin with, but I'm exposed to my friends' romantic success on a weekly basis, rubbing it in my face. When we hang out with girls they entirely ignore me. I'm invisible. I am worse than all of them by every metric.
I hope I don't wake up in the morning

[Anonymous No.11186155]

I'm ugly as shit and cripplingly terrified of talking to chicks. I have a 3 inch erection and have never had any female friends. To compensate, I write romance fiction and shipping fanfiction. I also listen to girlfriend audios and paid a woman online over 150 dollars to make custom audios just for me. My dad was a piece of shit, but I should've listened to him and played sports as a kid.

[Anonymous No.11186174]

I didn't have enough self control to forego buying after a chance meeting with my dealer. Why didn't I ask for her number. Fuck you Dad!

[it dosent matter No.11186196]

my sister thinks its rude not to talk to the people working the register I dnt have to if I don't want to

[Anonymous No.11186202]

>>11186152
you are your own inhibitor when it comes to romance

[Anonymous No.11186205]

>>11186202
My face is.

[Anonymous No.11186214]

If people in past couldnt count or write, how can we know the average age of death?

[Anonymous No.11186218]

>>11186205
nick drake was fucking pj harvey in her prime. if you are confident and put yourself out there you will be rewarded, promise

[Anonymous No.11186219]

>>11185544
I want to masturbate over your legs while you squirt inside my ass. And I want you to suck on my neck while your hands run up and down my arms, or over my legs. But there’s one thing you have to do first.

[Anonymous No.11186220]

>>11185544
I'm so tired of hearing about Jordan Peterson.

[Anonymous No.11186226]

>tfw no bf

[Anonymous No.11186234]

>>11186218
>Just be confident
Where the fuck do you people come from?

[Anonymous No.11186235]

>>11186218
i meant cave lmao. drake is the other way around. he was a cute boy that was terribly shy and awkward and as a result he died a virgin, dont do that >>11186205

[Anonymous No.11186236]

>>11186234
outside

[Anonymous No.11186250]

>>11186226
This desu.

[Anonymous No.11186257]

I wish I had a competent/non-pretentious way of expressing my feelings regarding our existence as meat puppets living in a physical world that cannot and will never live up to our expectations or provide what our over-evolved minds really want.
Not only that, but thinking about my slowly decaying body and the final moments of absolute terror I'll feel in nearly every death-scenario drive me up the fucking wall, not only because it produces me great anxiety, but because it's such an intense topic.
Imagining that the worst day of my life is yet to come totally undermines any feels I experience at this very moment: I enjoy life on the notion that one day I'll experience the most horrible pain, the most horrible loneliness, something I can't escape from, something that is waiting for me on the horizon. How can I still go on living, how can I still have any projects knowing that my future is not only certain death, but prior to that absolute despair?
I feel like I'm on the verge of falling into a very dark abyss I'll never crawl out of: Right now I'm balancing on a tight rope, feeling safe and content, but any moment now I'll fall, and I'll remain at the bottom forever.
I experienced baby's first existential crisis 5 years ago, and though I have been numbed to the bad feels that came to me everytime I woke up, I feel, no I know, the worst is yet to come.

The meaningless of life, our mortality, our terror of death, our incompatibility with nature, these totally eclipse any made up belief/value that exists. It's the most intense and most interesting aspect of our existence, this whole angle of existential horror and despair

It's such an amazing and interesting topic. I only wish I could express it coherently and better than the average 14 year old redditor.

[Anonymous No.11186269]

>>11186236
You're infinitely more delusional than I am

[Anonymous No.11186275]

>>11186269
enjoy dying alone to no ones fault but your own

[Anonymous No.11186280]

>>11186275
It's no one's fault, anon. Vindictive isn't a good look.

[Anonymous No.11186282]

>>11186257
"If there were no eternal consciousness in a man, if at the bottom of everything there were only a wild ferment, a power that twisting in dark passions produced everything great or inconsequential; if an unfathomable, insatiable emptiness lay hid beneath everything, what would life be but despair?"

[Anonymous No.11186283]

>>11186257
>How can I still go on living, how can I still have any projects knowing that my future is not only certain death, but prior to that absolute despair?

Focus your energy on something neat that will be remembered by all.

[Anonymous No.11186296]

>>11186220
Amen brother. I caught up with some old high school friends the other day and they spent the entire time venerating JP and talking about his lectures. I can't seem to escape this motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.11186303]

>>11186250
d-do you wanna go out?

[Anonymous No.11186315]

>>11186282
Right? That's powerful and beautifully expressed.
I wish I had it, bros. Maybe this topic is something interesting, maybe it isn't, but the execution is what really counts.

>>11186283
Oh I mean I don't have any problems going on living, I was just pointing out that it's just curious to me that this "ultimate" knowledge doesn't hinders my everyday grind at all, I just keeping going "just because" despite the fact that there is no real reason to do so. It feels like one day it will though, hence the whole tight rope thing.

[Anonymous No.11186416]

All writers agree that the victor may inflict punishment upon the vanquished enemy, even to the taking of his life, liberty, or the confiscation of all his property; but that this extreme right is never exercised except upon a cruel, barbarous, obstinate, or dangerous foe who has waged an unjust war.

Upon the character of the belligerent, and the justice of war, and the manner of conducting it, depends our right to take the lives, liberty and property of the belligerent. This war had its origin in treason without one spark of justice. It was prosecuted before notice of it, by robbing our forts and armories, and our navy-yards; by stealing our money from the mints and depositories, and by surrendering our forts and navies by perjures who had sworn to support the constitution. In its progress our prisoners, by the authority of the government, were slaughtered in cold blood. Ask Fort Pillows and Fort Wagner. Sixty thousand of our prisoners have been deliberately staved to death because they would not enlist in the rebel armies. The graves at Andersonville have each an accusing tongue. The purpose and avowed object of the enemy is "to found an empire whose worse corner-stone should be slavery," rendered its perpetuity or revival dangerous to human liberty.

Surely, these things are sufficient to justify the exercise of the extreme rights of war- "to execute, to imprison, to confiscate." How many captive enemies it would be proper to execute, as an example to nations, I leave others to judge. I am not fond of sanguinary punishments, but surely some victims must propitiate the manes of our starved, murdered, slaughtered martyrs. A court-martial could do justice according to law.

But we propose to confiscate all the estate of every rebel belligerent whose estate was worth $10,000 or whose land exceeded two acres in quantity...

There are about six millions of freedmen in the South. The number of acres of land is 465,000,000. Of this, those who own above two hundred acres each number about 70,000 persons, holding, in the aggregate, (together with the States,) about 394,000,000 acres, leaving for all the others below 200 each about 71,000,000 of acres. By thus forfeting the estates of the leading rebels, the government would have 394,000,000 of acres for sale. Divide it into suitable farms, and sell it to the highest bidders. I think it, including town property, would average at least $10 per acre. That would produce $3,540,000-three billions five hundred and forty millions of dollars.

[Anonymous No.11186419]

Let that be applied as follows to wit:
1. Invest $300,000,000 in sic per cent government bonds, and add the interest semi-annually to the pensions of those who have become entitled by this villainous war.
2. Appropriate $200,000,000 to pay the damages done to loyal men, North and South, by the rebellion.
3. Pay the residue, being $3,040,000,000 towards the payment of the National debt...

But it is said, by those who have more sympathy with rebel wives and children than for the widows and orphans of loyal men, that this stripping the rebels of their estates and driving them to exile or to honest labor, would be harsh and severe upon the innocent women and children. It may be so; but that is the result of the necessary laws of war. But it is revolutionary, say they. This plan would, no doubt, work a intended to revolutionize their principles and feelings. This may startle feeble minds and shake weak nerves. So do all great improvements in the political and morale world. It requires a heavy impetus to drive forward a sluggish people. When it was first proposed to free the slaves and arm the blacks, did not the nation tremble? The prim conservatives, the snobs, and the male waiting-maids in Congress, were in hysterics.

The whole fabric of Southern society must be changes, and never can it be done if this opportunity is lost. Without this, this government can never be, as it has never been, a true republic. Heretofore, it had more the features of of aristocracy than of democracy. The Southern States have been despotism, not governments of the people. It is impossible that any practical equality of rights can exist where a few a few thousand men monopolize the whole landed property. The larger the number of small proprietors the more safe and stable the government... How course, exist in a mingled community if nabobs and serfs; of the owners of twenty thousand acre manors with lordly palaces, and the occupants of narrow huts inhabited by "low white trash"? If the South is ever to be made a safe republic, let her lands be cultivated by the toils of the owners, or the free labor of intelligent citizens. This must be done, even though it drive her nobility into exile. If they go, all the better.

if only we listened to him...

[Anonymous No.11186420]

>>11185544
>want to buy a thing
>wait two weeks
>wrong one
>same one from different seller is more expensive now
>still want to buy it
>feel bad about spending money
>should I wait until next month and risk it getting more expensive again?
>or wait and see if it will get cheaper?
I want my dumb thing! What do I do? Why is this so fucking hard?

[Anonymous No.11186422]

>>11185544
The last book I read was boring as fuck(The sun also rises), so I’m just going to read a warhammer 40k book now an then maybe stoner an Kafka on the shore

[Anonymous No.11186430]

If something doesn't change I will die on this chair waiting for something to change.

[Anonymous No.11186436]

>>11186430
me too

[Anonymous No.11186444]

>>11185606
no

[Anonymous No.11186458]

One of my best friends the open page. One where I can spew romanticized alcoholism and other bad habits into a beautiful, true emotion. One of defeat and glory, love and misery, humility and lust. Oh I pain for a dearer friend then thy! For one to talk and fall upon when I crash my body and soul into another! Will it hold me dear? Will it caress my sorrows away? Will I find peace?
No, I grow tiresome and more weary by the second. Hounds of dehydration and poison bark, bark upon my internal membrane of a body. They cause as much harm as they can while my head floats asunder. If my soul were the one to control and truly perceive my condition then maybe this liquid weakness of mine could suffice as a cure.
Yes, a cure for the senses. One of escape, solitude, serenity. Take my mind and thrash it toward the open sea of alcohol. Let my mind sink and drown with weary woes. It doesn’t deserve the trials of temperance. It doesn’t even deserve the ecstasy of the absence of pain. My mind, and the thoughts that occur within it, only deserve the kind of treatment that lead it to the indulgence of alcohol.
Oh, and it sobers! The body and survival is a splinter to the soul indeed! Why must it sober one’s self up to survive? Can’t it wait until tomorrow? Or when I feel adequate enough to face my weary woes?

[Anonymous No.11186506]

There are only 13 people on planet earth, everyone else is a holographic figment :~)

[Anonymous No.11186509]

>>11186506
but which 13?

[Anonymous No.11186513]

>>11186509
theyre all in this thread

[Anonymous No.11186527]

>>11186509
Terry Davis is one of them

[Anonymous No.11186536]

>>11186527
that makes sense

[Anonymous No.11186538]

>>11186444
P A R I S
A
R
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[Anonymous No.11186542]

>>11186538
god, i fucking wish

[Anonymous No.11186573]

>>11186542
Well if you're a woman and you have a decent conversation, you can crash at my place for a few weeks, no issues

[Anonymous No.11186587]

>>11185555
It's a pretty good book, maybe wait until you're in the mood for a big novel again and then return to it.

[Anonymous No.11186743]

>>11185544
I will never get laid

[Anonymous No.11186774]

Yesterday I was depressed and thought it might have been due to lack of sleep.
Just woke up and I'm feeling worse.

[Anonymous No.11186781]

>>11185544
I just realized that I thought Michael B Jordan was dead, for like, a month. I honestly thought he'd been shot to death in a hotel room, because I dreamt it.

This is not the first time this has happened.

[Anonymous No.11186801]

>>11186781
lol

nelson mandela syndrome

[Anonymous No.11186805]

I wish I could go back to uni, wagecuck life is fucking awful

[Anonymous No.11186816]

>>11186743
Me neither. I've long since stopped caring though.

[Anonymous No.11186845]

>>11185661
I live in Oakland, worked in SF a lot. Can confirm SF is a shithole.

[Anonymous No.11186864]

>>11185544
Every time I have ever actually tried putting my writing into a critique thread here, or randomly wrote something up for /lit/, I have gotten ok to good reviews. But I'm still terrified my writing will be hated if I every get a book published.

[Anonymous No.11186867]

>>11186801
that's not what the nelson mandela syndrome is

[Anonymous No.11187329]

>>11185544
>pic related was me.

I failed for the 9th time 9th year in a row.
I feel so incredibly shitty, I just want to jump from a bridge or something

[Anonymous No.11187399]

I'm not good at anything, I just really want to die.

[Anonymous No.11187420]

>>11187329
what kind of exam is it?

[Anonymous No.11187440]

>>11187420
It's 5 essays on specific questions

I can't learn.

Every time there's a question I just get a mental vacuum in my lead.

Like all of the information I had about the topic of the question goes poof

I hate my low IQ white trash brain and wish they would just fucking stroke so I'd die

[Anonymous No.11187465]

I feel like everything is getting worse, like we are living the last days of life like we know it. Conservative ideas and "decline of civilization" books are staring to look more and more attractive to me.
At the same time, I feel afraid of getting too deep, of becoming a hateful reactionary and losing everyone around me. I received a progressive/leftist education and it feels very wrong and dangerous.
Idk what do to, I'm too stupid to mess with this

[Anonymous No.11187484]

>>11186781
I thought Jonny Greenwood was dead for a few weeks. I don't know why, I don't recall dreaming anything about him. I was just sure I heard about him having died recently and lamented no more future soundtracks from him after I saw You Were Never Really Here. Great film, btw. Then I googled his name and dude's as far from dead as ever. Son of a bitch. I guess that's nice. Hope he does more soundtrack work.

[Anonymous No.11187507]

At this moment I have no material desire whatsoever and it feels amazing.

[Anonymous No.11187529]

>>11185544
dad just caught me fapping

[Anonymous No.11187532]

>>11185606
Women.... are like cats my friend.

[Anonymous No.11187535]

>>11187507
You mean there's not a single thing you don't have that you'd like to have? Or that you simply don't especially care about *things* in general? There's some difference, I think.

[Anonymous No.11187536]

The ideal world, the world that may bring us closest to utopia, would be the one of a singular culture, a singular race, and a singular gender. Injustice, prejudice, and bigotry all arise in the face of differences. It is the natural state of Man to conduct itself as such. The ignorant and the uneducated shall always default to nature, and we cannot educate everyone.
Differing cultures fight each other because they cannot live together in peace. Men subjugate women and force them into submission. The races despise each other because of a history of injustice that cannot be changed nor fixed.
Over 150 years ago the negroes in America were freed from slavery. 100 years later they were still fighting for respect and equality. 100 years later and nothing will have changed. The context differs, but the sickness within remains the same, because all suffering is relative. The same things will continue to occur, over and over.
It is only through complete separation into distinct, perpetually-isolated tribes or complete assimilation into a monosociety that we can stop these endless cycles.

[Anonymous No.11187537]

I hate niggers

[Anonymous No.11187544]

>>11187536
The rest of your useless post aside, you say 150 as if it's a long time. There are people alive whose grandparents were slaves.

[Anonymous No.11187547]

the only thing i really want to study is physics, and i love it, but i don't know if i'm smart enough. in my country we are graded from 1 to 6 (6 is best), and i can only manage a 4 in physics. i'm not sure if studying physics is a good choice

[Anonymous No.11187565]

The anhedonia still upsets me. It's like living in a different world at this point, but nobody I could tell would believe me. When most people say they feel no pleasure or emotions, it's in a metaphorical sense, but it's literal for me. I still experience all the stimuli, yet there's absolutely no emotional reaction in my brain at all. I used to get home from school and fall face-down onto my bed, and it felt incredible. And pizza was amazing. Imagine that your emotional range capped off at about 10% in either direction - that's my life. The last time I felt a strong emotion in December of 2016. I have not forgotten. The meds aren't working. I never feel lonely. I don't feel alive.

But this is nothing new. I just have to keep hoping somehow this will end. There's nothing else to do.

[Anonymous No.11187568]

Just blew another interview. Maybe I should just kill my self

[Anonymous No.11187579]

>>11187532
They don’t like being picked up?

[Anonymous No.11187583]

>>11187568

How did you blow it, Anon?

[Anonymous No.11187586]

>>11187579
>cats
>don't like being picked up
>girls
>don't like being picked up
You just don't know how to handle pussy.

[Anonymous No.11187589]

>>11187544
I don't understand why people struggle with this so much. Did you expect that systematically enslaving a population, destroying any sort of family or community bonds by selling them around constantly, reneging on your promise to set them up with money and property once free, failing to go through with the reconstruction after Lincoln was assassinated, and continuing to systematically oppress them well into living memory wouldn't leave damage that takes time and effort to heal?

[Anonymous No.11187602]

the surety of infant innocence and bliss is expiring as with my faith in God, how do I reclaim it without isolating people?

[Anonymous No.11187604]

>>11185852
It looks like being a "good man" requires a lot of emotional control. This is just an example of what I'm talking about: having to be careful with demonstrations of affection and with how much you share about yourself...
Am I just a pussy or men have to practice this during their lives?

[Anonymous No.11187613]

>>11187583
Was for an economic policy analyst position. Had an interview with some economist who founded the think tank. He started asking me my thoughts on long term interests rates and if the fucking philips curve had any practical effect in today’s age.... I studied economics back in college, which was two years ago. Needless to say, I wasn’t prepared at all. Feels especially bad, as I can find only part time work. I love dc, but all the transplant yuppie faggots, with their fancy private school degrees and daddy’s money, make it so expensive to live here, and they saturate the job market, in turn making it impossible to find work. I just want an honest 9-to-5. I can’t even take women out on dates because I’m so broke. Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.11187640]

>>11187613
Why did you apply for an economic policy position if you couldn't answer a basic question? Sounds like you need to hit some books anon, since you don't sound like you have much else to do you may as well study.

[Anonymous No.11187677]

>>11186303
smooth

[Anonymous No.11187767]

I did not manage to thank the guy who wrote a post that quite help me in the last thread. It was about the fact that there are always a set of choices that will make things easier in the long run

Thank you dude

[Anonymous No.11187874]

>>11187568
I can't even get positions at cashier..

[Anonymous No.11187890]

>>11187874
Do you qualify for neetbux? Might be better to just throw in the towel and start gardening or something desu. The modern first world economy is a sham anyway.

[Anonymous No.11187893]

>>11187890
It's too humiliating to apply for neetbux so I mostly masturbate to socks at pornsites for few hundred bucks a month

[Anonymous No.11187904]

>>11187890
>The modern first world economy is a sham anyway.
this is what my friends tell me, but that doesn't make me feel any better about not working. I mean, capitalism is a fucking joke, but not doing anything feels like dying. I spend all day writing and doing arts and crafts.

[Anonymous No.11187916]

>>11187904
I hate it, every friend of mine works, mean while I wasted years for reasons not applying and working ass off, I was so stupid and now I'm in deep shit

[Anonymous No.11187950]

>>11187916
Yeah, I feel pretty trash about it myself. My friends have their dream jobs, and I've just done a couple internships and have nothing to show for it. Every day, no matter how good I feel, the fact that I haven't made something of myself yet just kills me. It doesn't help that I have... issues, and I'm terrified that doing nothing is all I can manage.

At least I'm in a stable situation. I have a nice apartment and enough that I don't have to worry about money. Which makes me feel bad, too.

[Anonymous No.11187953]

>>11185544

I wish the military draft was still a thing.
It would make me more of a man and help me clear my mind on what I really wish to do with my life.

[Anonymous No.11187963]

>>11187953
I even failed and fuck upd my military service.

Last time I was successful was 5th grade math test and that was nearly 15 years ago.

just kill me God.

[Anonymous No.11187983]

Today I had this curious thought that a human individual doesn't really have a soul. He has a psyche, like all animals do, but that is not a proper soul. The idea is, all human beings share one universal soul. And whenever we do something meaningful, whenever we act out of goodness, consciousness, righteousness, we act as agents of this universal soul, universal intellect. That is some shit Aristotle talked about when he said that only the highest fractute of our soul is immortal.
And if i acknowledge myself as a part of this universal soul, it doesn't even matter if I'm poor or rich, successful or a loser, I am, in a sense, all people ever lived and will live. And I'm no one in particular. This body of mine is just a tool which could be used as means to manifest myself as an universal soul. And from that perspective, well, there is nothing to worry about really.

[Anonymous No.11188012]

>>11186214
boy are you a genius. Also when did people not know how to count? Prehistoric times? We know the average age of death by examining the skeletons.

[Anonymous No.11188021]

>>11187953
Military service doesn't make you a man. It can temper your character or severely crush you. But the thing is, you have to be a man prior to military service. I served in russian army and, boy, shit was tough.

[Anonymous No.11188033]

>>11188021
lol I served in Finland and patrolled the border, we used to hear pretty bad stories about your forces.

[Anonymous No.11188041]

>>11187983
>Today I had this curious thought that a human individual doesn't really have a soul. He has a psyche, like all animals do, but that is not a proper soul.
sounds interesting...
>The idea is, all human beings share one universal soul
oh no, anon is retarded

[Anonymous No.11188044]

>>11185622
Show me the evidence

[Anonymous No.11188050]

>>11188033
Well, I heard bad stories too but now, when it's a 1-year-draft, the service is not that extreme anymore.

[Anonymous No.11188057]

>>11187953
you're one of those idiotic people that needs a reason to pursue their goals. if there was a draft your life would still be the same, you'd be saying "if only there wasn't a draft, then i would have the chance to be the man i've always wanted to be"

[Anonymous No.11188058]

>>11188050
lets hope the governments dont get us into a war in the future

[Anonymous No.11188138]

>>11188057
You call a formative experience like the military life a pretest to whine more when it would be the perfect occasion to temper the endurance of hardships, a distraction from the petty life and long time to ponder the many opportunities.

[Anonymous No.11188178]

>>11188138
I wish I could've gotten career at military, or go back.
It truly is not a meme that it will be one of the best times of your lives. I couldn't appreciate at the time. Ironic. Sad. Stupid.

[Anonymous No.11188333]

I skipped work all of last week because I was too depressed to do anything productive. Normally this wouldn't be a problem, as my hours are very flexible and I didn't have anything critical to work on, but I also skipped for 4/5 days the week before, planning to use last week to catch up (it takes me around 20 minutes to do "an hours worth" of work). Now I need to come up with something to make it seem like I haven't just been fucking around for two weeks.

[Anonymous No.11188351]

I'm on the edge of burning out. I've written about 12k words in the past 5 days. But I've done this before. Once you break past the total shit sling of being 'burnt out' you feel something great, and start becoming more creative.

[Anonymous No.11188353]

Should i go on anti-depressants? I've tried managing my depression myself but it's just getting worse.

[Anonymous No.11188354]

>>11185544
I feel blasé about everything, every ounce of incentive and motivation left my body years ago.

[Anonymous No.11188357]

I've cried for 4 hours.

[Anonymous No.11188360]

>>11188357
please be emotional vulnerable female in Melbourne so I can be sad with

[Anonymous No.11188361]

>>11188353
>tfw don't know if actually depressed or my life just sucks

[Anonymous No.11188363]

I thought occured to me a few weeks ago, and it continues to crop up now and then. I'm deeply curious what women think when they browse 4chan. I don't think there is very many at all- 90% of what people think are femanons are just LARPers. But there must be a few at least. What do they think of us when they see the widespread misery and pathologies in here? What do they think of men in general once they've seen this place? My initial answer was that they must not think anything at all of us. It's compartmentalized; just as the ugly guy on their bus barely registers at all on their radar, 4chan users are dismissed to the periphery of their conceptions of society. We're losers, and they've always known losers exist. But the sheer scale of this place (both in numbers of users and in terms of cultural influence on the internet) is so enormous. Do women begin to wonder if guys they know personally browse 4chan? Statistically, they probably know a few regulars, if they're college aged or younger.
They come on here, and they find young men absolutely demoralized on a massive scale. Hundreds of thousands of young men finding solidarity with each other over the fact none of them have ever had a girlfriend. If I found a community of girls on the internet with equally bizarre pathologies (of the same scale as 4chan) I would never look at girls my age the same way again.

[Anonymous No.11188367]

>>11188353
Have you tried stoicism ?

[Anonymous No.11188370]

>>11188353
Just get a lobotomy, they're equivalent

[Anonymous No.11188375]

>>11188360
I'm 6'5 230lbs 25 year old male.

[Anonymous No.11188382]

>>11188375
I can get behind this also

[Anonymous No.11188386]

>>11188375
You're a big guy.

[Anonymous No.11188391]

>>11188363
There's plenty of women here, actually. Your mistake is thinking that a femanon's post would be tinted pink or somehow obviously give it away. You sound like you belong on /r9k/.

[Anonymous No.11188392]

>>11188361
Probably a bit of both

>>11188367
Not really, although i haven't read much of the stoics

>>11188370
I feel lobotomised already

[Anonymous No.11188403]

>>11188353
yes

>>11188361
depression probably. Depression makes you think "oh, I'm just having a bad day. a bad week a bad month a bad year"

[Anonymous No.11188407]

>>11188391
Terrible post. You sound like a Canadian

[Anonymous No.11188408]

>>11188363
I LARP as a normie and am deeply terrified of anyone finding out I post here. This is the only place I can be completely honest about myself, everywhere else I live a lie. I know a lot of women and I'm pretty sure they'd stop talking to me if they knew I posted here.

>If I found a community of girls on the internet with equally bizarre pathologies
There are some over on lebbit (/r/trollxchromosomes), but none that approach /r9k/ levels to my knowledge.

[Anonymous No.11188409]

Literally coming to terms with the fact that I'll never feel "ok". There's been glitch in my heart for as long as I've lived, and even in happy times I always felt that myself or my life was never adequate, or "normal". Normal like other people seem to come across. I'm putting my concentration on accepting this, maybe I'll find some affirming truth on the nature of life that will allow me to get by. And if not, at least I'll know that there is no solution, and put the issue to rest.

[Anonymous No.11188410]

>>11188363
>If I found a community of girls on the internet with equally bizarre pathologies (of the same scale as 4chan) I would never look at girls my age the same way again.
You're in for a shock when you decide to see what tumblr's all about

[Anonymous No.11188424]

I went to the doctor today to talk about my mental health. He wants me to take two weeks and note down how I'm feeling each day before we proceed with any further treatment. I didn't expect this course of action, I thought I'd just be given anti-depressants or something and be on my decidedly un-merry way. Even so, I guess I don't mind doing it. I've been putting off talking about this shit for nearly a decade so I'm feeling pretty decent right now. I dragged myself up off the floor, finally.

[Anonymous No.11188432]

>>11188424
I wouldn't know how to even begin describing the mix of feelings I have every day. We don't have enough words for this kind of thing desu.

[Anonymous No.11188435]

>>11188408
>>11188410
The more important factor was the scale. Reddit and Tumblr are way tol fractured to ever compete with what goes on here. As for the Tumblr/Feminazi-esque online community as a whole, it's something very much out in the open. Shit, they practically wear a uniform with their short colored hair. They learn half their shit from universities like the one I go to. The thing about 4chan is that I feel like many guys (like anon said) hide the fact they browse it (why wouldn't you). So it's both the scale and the element of being low-key that would induce the shock.

[Anonymous No.11188436]

>>11188407
Thousands of miles off, friendo. But what I posted is simply a fact.

[Anonymous No.11188449]

A girl wants to visit me. But the longer it takes for her to arrange the visit the more she seems to doubt about going at all.

[Anonymous No.11188464]

>>11188363
Dont you know lolcows?

[Anonymous No.11188513]

>>11186282
About to finish this book today! That line and whole passage in particular was incredibly moving.

[Anonymous No.11188523]

I have moved to the Uk recently to live with a roommate, i have always lived with my mom, i miss her and i miss my cat, i miss them so bad it hurts. And all for a part time job in Mc@#$~
I hate myself and i hate my situation.

[Anonymous No.11188530]

>>11188523
Seek opportunities, be strategic, improve.

[Anonymous No.11188582]

>>11186152
if your ugly at least come to terms with that and recognize that their are many unpleasant looking people who enjoy their trades around the world and find happiness in humility. If your a super robot, play off all your physical shortcomings with laughter without trying to sound like a self deprecating sob. Engage your friends, if you feel close enough to them, and have them coach you on one skill at a time. If you think that's embarrassing it at least lends more to your character than how how you probably act now around them

[Anonymous No.11188609]

>>11185544
I'm starting to realize that no matter how hard I try, no matter how much I read, no matter how I try to reason myself out of it, I can't stop hating niggers. I'm as changeable as a plastic bag drifting in the wind, but this is one the few things I've never been able to work on. It's probably not good because I'm extremely far left.

[Anonymous No.11188656]

>>11188464
Lolcows is tiny

[Anonymous No.11188673]

>>11188609
i don't hate them but they are clearly inferior to humans who mixed with neanderthals, blacks just have worse impulse control, planning, and so many have "reading disabilities" it seems they are just not cut out for it, any time a black does anything significant they are always some lightskinned mix mother fucker like dubiois, obama, even malcom "red" x, etc. but why hate them? most of them are ok, some are quite high functioning even

[Anonymous No.11188694]

>>11188363
redpill women subreddit, its all women like "i sucked his dick like 50 times why wont he marry me?" and the opposite "we've been dating for six months and he wants to have sex but how can i be sure i'll get commitment?"

women are just as clueless as men the only difference is women can be clueless and still get their sexual needs taken care of, where as for men, u better get a fucking clue fast

[Anonymous No.11188702]

ok man im finally ready to take the nofap pill, i fapped yesterday but it was the weekend so i was like let me get a nut off, but then today i could have been writing code or working out this morning but instead i just decided to fap instead, i didnt need to fap, and it wasnt even that good, and i came maybe half of my usual load, but it was just a way to waste time and get some cheap dompamine, teach me ur nofap ways puritanical neets

[Anonymous No.11188728]

>>11185628
The white man was shaped by the cold enviroment, it forced his genitals to shrivel and have to be productive, invent and go outside and hunt instead of sitting around in a hot sweaty hut masturbating and fucking all day the lesser races that evolved in warmer climes.
>>11185640
>have a fap
He's right, kys.
This will make him even more lazy and unmotivated. /lit/ is 100% against masturbation now.

[Anonymous No.11188748]

>>11188673
that said i will never ever buy property in a city more than 50% black, guaranteed the murder rate gonna be sky high and the schools terrible

[Anonymous No.11188750]

>>11187465
You don´t have to talk about your views anon, just allude to them. I am as far right as it gets, and I know a man who I very much admire, who hides his right wing views incredibly, but when I get to talking to him in private he reveals them to me. Be smart about it.

[Anonymous No.11188754]

>>11188702

[Anonymous No.11188761]

>>11188694
Redpill women lacks both the size and a widely shared psychosis. You guys keep naming small-time communities and pretending they're equivalent. There's a reason I wrote about 4chan and not Wizardchan.

[Anonymous No.11188763]

>>11187465
same, i was a big marxist in college, and was raised in a liberal area, but conservative historians are starting to look more and more sensible, its probably just as we get more life experience we realize conservatives are right, on the other hand some professors are like 70 years old and still as far left as a teen, but i guess a tenured job-for-life will do that to you

[Anonymous No.11188764]

I just graduated with a degree in Psych, now thinking about going to medical school. I'll be going back to community college for a year to work on pre-reqs, then on to a 4-year to finish pre-reqs.

The question is, do I take a job now working with autistic kids at a company I'm a little iffy about (I was told they discourage employees talking about wages and for no-shows they charge clients full price but pay employees half-time at minimum wage; both red flags). And take a full load of classes in the Fall. Or do I turn the job down, take a class this summer, take out more loans, and take a lesser load in the Fall and try to find work at company I'm more comfortable with.

Overall a pretty good dilemma considering I've been suicidal and went to rehab not too long ago.

[Anonymous No.11188766]

>>11187529
tell us the story lol

[Anonymous No.11188774]

>>>11188702
>he will become bashful and timid

so true

[Anonymous No.11188778]

>>11188764
>just graduated now i'm going to go back to community college

thats dumb, after you graduate you're supposed to go to ... you know... grad school

[Anonymous No.11188782]

>>11188761
women don't need online communities because they constantly talk about all this shit among their peers, they are more social than men

[Anonymous No.11188783]

>>11188778
Gotta take the pre-requisites to apply to medical school

[Anonymous No.11188793]

>>11188702
>muh dopamine
That's not how the brain works. That being said, porn can be a serious addiction and if you fap without actually it feeling good you're probably addicted (much like alchool addicts don't actually enjoy the alchool but they use it to fill a void) so cut it off.
>>11188754
>Masturbation leads to death
the enlightenment was a mistake

[Anonymous No.11188794]

>>11188782
I'm well aware of that. That's why I began my original post stating that 90% of "femanons" are dudes. I know for a fact nothing like 4chan exists for women. None of this answers my original thought: does being aware of 4chan affect how young women perceive their young males peers?

[Anonymous No.11188804]

>>11188793
>that's now how the brain works

then how pray tell does "the brain work"?

[Anonymous No.11188864]

>>11188783
if u think ur smart enough for med school why dont u just go into a psych doctorate program

[Anonymous No.11188894]

>>11188702
If you're serious, look at the this thread, genuinely good advice in them for quitting.
>>11182683
>>11188764
You're basically a younger me, psychology degree suddenly decide to go to medical school. You plan on a psychiatry residency?
I already attended a year but had to drop out due to other problems I had to solve in my life first, I'll be resuming next year hopefully.
>Or do I turn the job down, take a class this summer, take out more loans, and take a lesser load in the Fall and try to find work at company I'm more comfortable with.
Take classes.
Max out your student loans if they are federal.
They don't need repaid until you are done with medical school. You can postpone repayment throughout residency. Remember: income is real; debt is fictitious. You can seriously finagle your way out of it if you have enough resolve, I'm sure I'll see you on the forums one of these days and send you some unethical tips.

It makes sense to take the pre-reqs instead of these postbac programs, as rich kids on studentdoctor.net like to suggest.
You can have the pre-reqs waived at some schools I think (this may have changed, not sure if the accreditation body allows it); however I'm sure it would negatively affect acceptance chances.

I can tell your by your post, writing and weighing of the options, and sudden decision to maximize your potential so you're intelligent.
I used to go to and browse the medical school subreddits and look at acceptance posts. Pisses me off. Fucking low IQ morons, who didn't want to give up their dream of becoming a doctor, only made it this far with their parents cash. "Muh MCAT tutor!" Total history of trite comments on random shit, something than an intelligent person just wouldn't do. Then, the stupid reddit niggers who made it into medical school, go like "I don't know what I want to do for residency!". If you don't know that from the start, then you shouldn't have been a physician. Mother fucking retards. Sorry, I just hate the average medical student. They aren't cut out for it despite preparing their entire undergrad for it.
The world needs more doctors like us. Hopefully we can work together one day. Are you the guy from the (god awful) dumb shit writers do thread?

[Anonymous No.11188899]

>>11188894
>Decline of mOdern World/Social decay
These theories are confirmation bias created by people who spend too much time in internet and 4chan desu

[Anonymous No.11188922]

>>11188899
Shouldn't you been taking a selfie while waiting in line for Avengers tickets?

[Anonymous No.11188930]

>>11188922
Terrenec Mlaki is more my speed

[Anonymous No.11188991]

>>11188864
That's what I was going to do originally, but there were a few things that tipped me toward medical school:
1. I'm not all that interested in research, where a PhD would be mostly research.
2. The market is saturated with Psych's, especially where I live. But MD's are needed.
3. If I did a Psy.D which is mostly practice focused I'd be making around the same as a PhD, but without the stipend. It could cost around $500,000 including living expenses.
4. I took a Neuropsychology class taught by a Neurologist, which was inspiring as fuck. His entire perspective being a doctor. It seemed like everything he did was focused on helping people. I didn't get that impression from my Clinical Psych class, again, mostly a research focus.

>>11188894
I might not be so young. I just turned 30.
But yeah, Psychiatry residence would be the plan. But things can change so much.
Grats on getting in, hope you're able to continue.

My plan now is to take a year of pre-reqs at community college and take the rest at a post-bacc program. I've heard med schools tend to value community college classes less.

Thanks for the advice, taking classes now is definitely what I'd prefer. I do think it would be good to get some work in with autistic kids, I think it would be good experience. But maybe a bit later.

>They don't need repaid until you are done with medical school. You can postpone repayment throughout residency. Remember: income is real; debt is fictitious. You can seriously finagle your way out of it if you have enough resolve, I'm sure
That's interesting, I think I've heard something like that before. There's a lot of loan forgiveness programs out there.

[Anonymous No.11189144]

>>11188991
>Grats on getting in, hope you're able to continue.
Ty, I'll be able to, just a matter of time, I had to get rid of a few things first, they're nearly taken care of.
>I've heard med schools tend to value community college classes less.
Not true. Assholes on StudentDoctor.net and reddit like to say this but it's not the case. Wasn't the case for me and I was accepted to decent schools.
If they are accredited, all classes hold the same weight, no matter the institution; do well, grade point average still counts. I think just community college would look better toward an admissions office worker, looks like you did this all yourself without any help from advisors or parents.
Take advantage of rehab and suicidal aspect in your application.

Unless you're part time, you should be able to complete all pre-reqs in two semesters without needing a post-bacc program afterward.
Many courses are substitutable, so look at what you already took and see if they are closely related.

[Anonymous No.11189238]

I want to hang out with a girl I like but I have a weird rash on my face that hasn't fully gone away in months and for the last few days after shitting I keep wiping and wiping and the shit never goes away. I've been eating fiber so idk what's wrong.

[Anonymous No.11189260]

1 week of nofap and I want to masturbate so fucking bad. I can't stop thinking about touching my peepee and letting my man juices explode.

[Anonymous No.11189267]

>>11189260
nofap is pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.11189275]

>>11189267
But I'm addicted and I have to stop

[Anonymous No.11189280]

>>11189275
go ahead then

[Anonymous No.11189284]

>>11189267
It is, but if he has a problem with it then it's best to quit cold turkey for a while and decrease the frequency.

[Anonymous No.11189289]

pussy

[Anonymous No.11189298]

>>11189280
I have, for one week

[Anonymous No.11189304]

>>11189260
just consider it from the point of view of functions and pragmatism; use it to avoid cancer in your dick and for stress release

then it becomes boring but helpful function

[Anonymous No.11189310]

>>11189144
Not that guy but any advice for extracurriculars and interview prep? I'm a pretty standard pre-med student with the usual ECs and decently high GPA but nothing really stands out.

[Anonymous No.11189319]

I’m lost.
Wandering, aimlessly in a sketched out path,
Only to lose my way,
And be forgotten.

[Anonymous No.11189328]

a shame to be alive when all passions have died
how fretful the fingers when they find no occupation

[Anonymous No.11189338]

>>11189284
ye I agree
>>11189298
Good
>>11189304
I smell actual addiction here

[Anonymous No.11189382]

>>11188353
they help 30% of people who try them generally so go for it anon

[Anonymous No.11189387]

>>11189382
Those are not good odds

[Anonymous No.11189437]

>>11185544
AAAAAAAAHH

[Anonymous No.11189462]

>>11188523
Where in the UK? London?

[Anonymous No.11189467]

>>11188361
>tfw became depressed because my life objectively sucks

[Anonymous No.11189472]

>>11185544
depressed as usual and today i told girl i loved her but she said she didnt love me back in a very kind and vague way which wasn't harsh enough to give me closure. also struggling to complete a lot of essays and poems i have on my laptop. looking for a therapist in my city but not sure if i wanna do this.

[Anonymous No.11189575]

>>11189260
You are not practicing mental continence. You are allowing your mind to wander, and still exposed to sexual material.
I consider even contemplating those thoughts a relapse. At that point, you are horny, and it's like gorging yourself with a ton of food and then needing to throw up and holding back. It's pointless at that point. Start over and do it again. Do not even allow a single moment of arousal.

Your vulgar language reflects your thought process. Don't refer to it "man juices" and do not view it as "exploding". Don't even think of it as that. It is seminal fluid and ejaculating. The implication is wrong. It does not accumulate, the pressure and urge that you feel is the buildup of Cowper Fluid , the result of fantasizing and being aroused.
You wouldn't be in this situation had you practiced strict mental continence, and removed all stimuli.

Don't view it as "nofap" either. That implies a negative connotation, and will make you susceptible to the nocebo effect, invariably resulting in failure.
View it as freedom from a horrible addiction. An instinct that has hijacked you! This is a fight for the very autonomy over self.
>>11189267
No it isn't.
The people alleging sexual activity is "harmless", are the ones spewing pseudoscience. Anyone in possession of even a rudimentary understanding of physiology realizes there is a toll for every action the body engages in.
Fools saying "Muh its harmless, have at it!" resort to naturalistic fallacies (DUDE ITS NATURAL!), appeals to ignorance, and Freudian rationale (regarded as pseudoscience in psychology, yet persists to this day in "sexology") and strawman arguments ("dude relax, you won't get hair palms:D").

The fact is that the sex act, from sexual arousal to ejaculation to habituation has chilling physiological repercussions.
Endocrinology and neuroscience show that shy of drugs, no other action affects the body so much, so suddenly--- hormones, neurotransmitters, are all profoundly affected. Upon arousal, dopamine is released, not only in the capacity of motivating you, as would be the impetus for wanting to grab that needle of heroin, but you are biologically rewarded just for the mere image of arousal!
Then sexual stimulation occurs, and opioid facilitated reward begins, as even more dopamine is released.
Finally, it culminates in orgasm. The final reward is there. Endogenous opioid peptides suddenly flood the brain, the love hormone oxytocin for bonding is released which also signals the conversion of T to DHT, 5-HT increases, and the anti-dopamine hormone prolactin rises sharply, gonadotropin inhibitory hormone is released, and that is just scratching the surface.
With endless variety, this act is able to be repeated beyond what would ever be encountered in nature and it takes a severe toll.
Your strongest motivation pathways become your sexual ones! The limited resources of the brain and body are squandered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4896089/#S6title

[Anonymous No.11189578]

>>11189467
I'm suppose to be doing my homework, but I have a history of past trauma, family violence, some serious drug addiction, autistic/schizotypal disposition, chronic psychosis (which is more of a distraction if anything), horrible abusive relationships and some recent bulimic action apparently, but the cultural message is, "Ya, we all have our hangups," so I'm not suppose to talk about these. Swear to god though, when I finish my degree, I am either going to shoot a school or responsibly stabilize my life through exercise and music like I always do.

[Anonymous No.11189591]

Often, when I'm arguing with someone with contrary opinions and he makes an argument (which can be simply debatable or even silly) I find myself being bothered by it and thinking about it later, trying to rebuke it even if it was retarded. I loathe my fucking insecurity and constant need to prove and validate myself and my views instead of simply living. It's easily my worst character trait.

[Anonymous No.11189603]

>>11185544
Just got back my exam paper on Statistics today, and I fell 1,5 points short of passing. I feel terrible, this exam was the most important one I had ever written. My brain is on total chaos mode right now after this. I'm most likely going to graduate one semester later then planned because of this, and the next exam on this topic is during October. Not only that, but without passing this exam, I won't be granted student loans until the end of October.

My only chance now is that I go tomorrow to the student council and ask for a copy of my exam. I will then head back home and examine every single word I wrote on that paper and argue for my case that I receive the 1,5 points I need to pass. I will then hand that paper over to my examiner.

I have been in this exact situation before, and that time I wrote a two page essay on why I believed my examiner had done a poor job at grading me, AND IT WORKED. I passed that exam. I'm about to test my luck twice, please pray for me /lit/.

[Anonymous No.11189607]

I used to like giving advice to people, but the truth is, I'm not all so sure life is worth living at the end of the good word. So might as well let everyone enjoy the delusion of folly before the awake to a long life of boredom.

[Anonymous No.11189645]

>>11188041
This. Anon hooked me with his first sentence but I literally chuckled when he said
>The idea is, all human beings share one universal soul
How can he not see that's the same -and even worse- than saying the human individual has a "proper" soul.

[Anonymous No.11189679]

>>11189645
Everyone is a form of intelligence anticipated by an agency that can not possibly be encapsulated by your own intelligence and as such endows qualities more yourself than you could possibly be in this life time, but that said, every individual nature is so vastly different from one another, every form of life developed out of such disparate function, that there's only endless dispersion. Though it would be nice to create the opposite condition, stuff like the tree of life should be a little too pre-ejac to not piss you off

[Anonymous No.11189732]

>>11189304
The belief that it relieves stress is a totally baseless claim not backed up by science. In fact, the stress hormone, cortisol is measurably elevated after ejaculation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/402399
>dick cancer
You mean prostate cancer?

The prostate cancer myth, a total canard, from a a poorly designed study which failed to correct for other contributing factors. Usually if someone isn't masturbating in this day and age, it is because of a health problem rather than a conscious decision, and this is dishonestly overlooked. That study is widely popular because the pornography industry heavily promoted it as did the media.

In fact, better studies show the total opposite result.
>Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30.
You read that correctly, high rates of sexual activity, especially masturbation during young adulthood, was the strongest correlate to the development of prostate cancer.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x/full

Celibate priests (an older study so less chance of hypocrisy about their celibacy) had less instances of prostate cancer mortality than the general population.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091

None of this should be alarming if you know the ejaculation produces a pro-inflammatory response (cytokine elevation) to ward of STDs. The prostate suffers from over use too, and it was once common medical knowledge, and which many urologists still adhere, that non-bacterial prostatitis results from sexual activity repeated all too frequently. Do not fall for the reddit-tier "LMAO cleaning the pipes prevents it!". It is an absurd and incorrect notion that semen is "rotting". It is retained in the body and reabsorbed through internal secretion.

[Anonymous No.11189736]

>>11189578
>male with bulimia

hahah now that's what i call S-O-Y

[Anonymous No.11189751]

>>11189732
>Celibate priests (an older study so less chance of hypocrisy about their celibacy)
>believing people's self-reporting on fappin' it

probably something else in their lifestyle resulted in the lower rates

[Anonymous No.11189773]

>>11189732
>Celibate priests (an older study so less chance of hypocrisy about their celibacy) had less instances of prostate cancer mortality than the general population.
The study says they had 30% less cancer death IN GENERAL, you fucking dolt. That's a spurious correlation at best.

[Anonymous No.11189793]

>>11189575
>Don't view it as "nofap" either. That implies a negative connotation, and will make you susceptible to the nocebo effect, invariably resulting in failure.
This is good advice for quitting anything, I think. Rather than dwelling on what you lose, consider it in terms of gain.

[Anonymous No.11189807]

>>11189732
why are you talking like a Fox News broadcaster? Why does /pol/ do this? People on the left talk like Salon, Buzzfeed and Vice reports, people on the right parrot Trump, Breitbart, Fox in their diction. Absolutely grotesque

[Anonymous No.11189810]

>>11189807
Tribalistic language games that have no point other to perpetrate themselves. The USA should be nuked.

[Anonymous No.11189838]

will 4chan ever get self playing gifs like how does tumblr have this shit but 4chan doesnt

[Anonymous No.11189895]

>>11189838
why the FUCK would you want that?

[Anonymous No.11189908]

should i take a nap or drink an energy drink

[Anonymous No.11190074]

>>11189751
Even if they masturbated, they lacked pornography and the novelty and enjoyment from doing it would get old.
They had far less frequent sexual release than the population average population. They also have actual religious and moral objections too and probably fear hellfire and excommunication for getting out of line.
You also conveniently ignore the other study.
>>11189773
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091
>literally called "Prostate cancer mortality among Catholic priests"
>mentions "twelve deaths that deaths from prostatic cancer were observed while 19.8 were expected."
Surely if abstinence caused prostate cancer, you would expect this population to be at a huge risk. The point of my post was to debunk the canard that "abstaining causes prostate cancer".
>>11189807
I don't watch visit any of these websites and read older literature. If anything it just reflects communication simplified to express advance scientific concepts to the layman

[Anonymous No.11190173]

>>11190074
did anyone test if the prostate cancer is coming from whatever people use to jackoff with? suppose catholic priests are uncut so dont need any lotions or chemical lube, compare to protestants who practice african style genital mutilation and have to use industrially produced chemicals as lubricant. i saw a study that said people who put goldbond powder on their nuts were high to get nut cancer, now imagine a kid who put goldbond on when he fap to make his balls go icy numb to enhance his masturbation. when he gets nuts cancer its not cuz of fapping, its because of how he fapped,

[Anonymous No.11190294]

>>11185544
I don't want to be loved.

I want to be hated and looked down upon. It is the only way that I can justify the bitterness and spite that dominates my soul. I am surrounded by friends and family who wish to give me their genuine compassion and care despite my rejection of it. The people around me want to know my heart and be part of my life.

Despite their seemingly loving intentions, there is nothing I want to do more than to throw away their oureaching hands and rot away in my self inflicted isolation. I feel as though I do not deserve their care, or perhaps that I am too good for it. I'm not sure. Either way, the emotional intimacy that I am beginning to feel with those close to me is making me sick. With each conversation that draws me closer to them, I am compelled to push them farther away. I want to die sad, bitter and alone. Content only in the knowledge that I did this to myself and that it is what I chose; free from the rejection of my peers.

I had a true love once. With a good and faithful woman. We met when we were both still children in terms of emotional depth, and held on to one another much longer than we should have; both through naivete and optimism. Not only did I grow to take her for granted; I rejected and intentionally responded to her love with contempt. I closed my self off and chose to take comfort in the smallest and most meaningless deceptions, only so as to keep a part of myself away from her. I didn't even know what I was doing when I did it. I am a filthy and wicked person.

Now there is another woman who is pursuing me. She seems to have pure intentions of emotionally supporting me and caring for my vulnerable side in return for whatever she sees of value in me.

Despite that, my own bitterness and spite that has festered since the end of my last relationship has led me to want to respond to this growing affection with nothing but cruelty. Instead of opening my heart to this woman and letting my life fall into hers, I have nothing but the desire to manipulate and hurt her. I take small jabs to subtly tell her that I want nothing to do with her, all while pursuing her nontheless. In one moment I will tell her that I have an affection for her unlike others that I have felt before. The next, I tell her that she is meaningless and that she would be best to avoid me. There's no reason for any of it. I merely want to inflict pain on her until she is driven away by my inner ugliness.

I think I'm gonna read No Longer Human next.

[Anonymous No.11190505]

>>11189472

you need to start venturing out of you comfort zone, anon, and getting a therapist is a good and eventually relieving way of doing so. i think you should bite the bullet and get a therapist, because i don't think there's any way you will regret it unless you go in there with an intention of hiding the truth.

[Anonymous No.11190536]

>>11189838
came after the election; can't install a browser extension

[Anonymous No.11190624]

Mods deleted the thread criticising them for deleting a thread on analytic philosophy. RIP.

[Anonymous No.11190950]

I'm stoked to move out my parent's place in the boonies and into a new apartment in the city, partly cause I'll be around 20-somethings again and my chances of getting laid go up exponentially. However, I'm torn because I've been preparing to go teach abroad in Japan in about a year, and I don't want anything tying me down.
>inb4 one night stands and fuck buddies
That life style is everything I feared about relationships after college. I want to save myself for a foreign qt, but I also want to know the touch of a woman before 25.

[Anonymous No.11190952]

The heat was unbearable as our protagonist just realized how badly he had fucked up in terms of a senior research project. Why? He had chosen to write a novel.

For his high school research project.

Besides admonishing himself for way too overconfident in his self-proclaimed abilities to write after reading two books of Pynchon and most of the /lit/ core, this protagonist was feeling two types of teenagey, existential angst:
1. He had no to very little control over his wannabe premium mediocre life.
2. He was afraid to tell his English teacher he was a sack of shit and just wanted to do a Computer Science thing to skate by and graduate so he'd have a chance at going into a STEM field and graduate with little to no debt.

Unfortunately for him, he had also only programmed for six months at most. What a world! He felt as if he was a mediocre person dressing up in the robes of intellectualism to half-escape from his life and to half-preen himself on something he didn't really have, and now that the time had come to actually do something, he was, in layman's terms:

Screwed.

[Anonymous No.11190973]

>>11188363
There are tons of women who are every bit as broken in the exact same way as anons here. I personally knew an autistic chick in uni who was into esotericism and now mooches off her parents as a NEET. They just get off alot easier b/c their dickish behaviour is more acceptable than dickish behaviour from autistic men. It was a very good experience for me seeing her behaviour, really showed me that autistic people aren't the special savants I thought we were, we just use autism to excuse shitty, hurtful actions.

[Anonymous No.11190987]

>>11188694
eh, it's not so bad. Men have until their 40's to shape up. Women need to be sane by 30 at the absolute latest or their screwed for life.

[Anonymous No.11191066]

i'm trying to read this book about the development of philosophy in the west (passion of the western mind!) but it's boring me now that it's on the part about christianity. i've felt the same way trying to read the idiot. is there a way to enjoy reading again?

[Anonymous No.11191158]

>>11187484
phantom thread soundtrack is godly

[Anonymous No.11191278]

>>11189732
>>The belief that it relieves stress is a totally baseless claim not backed up by science
Works for me chump, I don't give a shit about your pubmed trash science.

[Anonymous No.11191285]

Would you rather live at home with your mom in the middle of nowhere at age 25 but be making/saving decent money OR live in a hip city surrounded by other twentysomethings but be making shit money and saving none of it? The first option surely means loneliness and extremely small chance of relationship with any woman. The second option means higher possibility of sex/relationships but you will be so far behind your peers in money/assets.

[Anonymous No.11191323]

>>11191285
Depends of the work really.
Not having to pay rent is good,
but city provides such networking chances that it probably outweighs any money you save.

[Anonymous No.11191363]

>>11191278
You're not experiencing the relieving of stress (decrease in cortisol), you're experiencing euphoria due to a sudden release of dopamine as well as physical exhaustion. You're objectively wrong, it's not a matter of feeling.

[Anonymous No.11191366]

>>11191285
I struggle with this everyday.

[Anonymous No.11191379]

>>11191363
>Objectively wrong
I literally do not give a shit about your trash pub med science when my real world experience contradicts it so hard, here:

1. Rub penis
2. Cum
3. Feels good.
4. Feel more stress free

[Anonymous No.11191388]

>>11191379
>4. Feel more stress free
Studies show that cortisol (stress hormone) levels increase after ejaculation as your body struggles to maintain equilibrium. Are you anti evidence?

[Anonymous No.11191392]

>>11191388
>Studies
I can perform a study on my dick right now and prove your trash science irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11191397]

>>11191392
Do it. And post an image of the result you gay faggot.

[Anonymous No.11191401]

>>11191397
>gay faggot
as opposed to hetero faggot?

[Anonymous No.11191423]

>>11191366
>>11191323

I have the option to work a job (that seems like a pretty ok job) at home that pays about 40k. I wouldn't be paying rent and home is in the middle of nowhere so there's not much else for me to spend my money on either. There's hardly any young women around and the only ones that are around are addicted to heroin or have 4 kids by 3 baby daddies.

The cool, hip, mid-sized Southern city I want to move to has rent averaging around $700 to $800 I'd say, but the only jobs I'm seeing on Indeed for my field pay like 30k for the level of experience I have (which is essentially none since I graduated from college last year and have been working a shit retail job since). This city has lots of qt art hoes though and it's near lots of nice things to do outside.

If I stayed at home for two years and then left I'd likely have close to 80k saved up. Then I could move anywhere I want, even NYC or LA or something or I could travel the world. But that's two years of my life I'd be sacrificing. I'd be at home sad and lonely watching my friends out living far away. What if I'm supposed to meet my future wife in the next two years and I don't because I'm living in my depressing rural hometown because of stupid money. Stupid, disgusting money that makes me sick, that I need to live.

[Anonymous No.11191426]

>>11191423
I already blew 10 years living at home neeting it up from 18 to 28.

two years is nothing

[Anonymous No.11191452]

>>11191426
But those two years could be very important years I'd be missing out on. When I think of all that happened in each of my four years of college and then how little happened in this last year. I already feel like I've wasted an entire year and I'll never get it back. Also maybe something else would happen that keeps me tied at home for longer than two years. (I only say two years in the first place because I feel like any less time and it looks bad on a resume, like I left the job too fast if I leave before then.) If that 40k becomes 50k then it gets even harder to walk away. Then before I'd know it I'd be in my 30s and wasting away and I'd be so boring. I'd be no different than my parents in no time. Living life just to work.

[Anonymous No.11191473]

>>11191452
What's your field/job and why did you work so much in retail?

[Anonymous No.11191560]

Temptation is a fucking terrible feeling. The list and idea of sex plagued my mind, and as a result, I destroyed one of the only good friendships that I've made. I messed around with my best friend's girl, they are still together. It really bothers me the way that they are both acting when I know they are both living in a fantasy. She says she did it out of feeling bad for me, to just be nice, but in my heart deep down I know that's all false. The one good thing that came out of this, if anything, is that I learned to love myself and realize the respect I need to have for myself in order to have healthy relationships. The truth will always prevail, and it's better not to beg, things will come naturally. I screwed up, and I realize that, everyone tells me to move on, but I cant, something inside me doesn't feel right and maybe her true emotions can only fill that void. The path to make amends seems destroyed and long gone, but I suppose all that's left is to better myself. What could I have expected from a person who doesn't respect her partner of 4 years? Finding the right answers, and the path to awakening is all that haunts my head now. The answers are there, in order to uncover them, I must be true to myself and end all the lies I tell.

[Anonymous No.11191616]

>>11191560
Head on over to r/theredpill. You'll feel better, just don't take everything they say to heart.

[Anonymous No.11191631]

i regret not posting in this thread earlier, i remember when it had 0 posts.

i also regret not majoring in english literature and jumping on the STEM train.

[Anonymous No.11191656]

>>11187329
That's heartbreaking, anon. I was the guy that replied to you in the other thread. What are you going to do now?

[Anonymous No.11191681]

I often feel really evil and rotten because I seem to exhibit a vague air of hostility towards people because I distrust everyone.
I never say or do anything really wrong, but I'm sure they pick up on my mood (for which I can't even point out the cause or reason).

I'm also pretty happy Confederacy of Dunces turns out to be really funny. You guys actually make great recommendations

[Anonymous No.11191937]

>>11189462
Colne, Lancashire a quiet town in the north of Manchester.

[Anonymous No.11191941]

>>11188523
>moving to a shithole country
That was your first mistake.

[Anonymous No.11191946]

eBooks fucking suck balls and I can't wait to have a place of my own finally so I can actually start a physical collection.

Honestly eBooks are aids.

[Anonymous No.11191956]

>>11191631
>i also regret not majoring in english literature and jumping on the STEM train.


How come?

[Anonymous No.11191957]

>>11188523

[Anonymous No.11191960]

>>11191423
I'd move, but i say that has someone who has lived in a small town doing nothing with his life from 18-25. I'd get out if i could.

[Anonymous No.11191975]

>>11191946
What makes you say that? I have kobo reader and I cant imagine going back to physicals.

The fact that I can look up any word any second + change the size of text+margins+spacing beats physicals

plus its comfier at nights

[Anonymous No.11191984]

>>11191946
You're retarded. Physical books are horrid, especially if you're trying to read more than one at a time and they're over 300p. Try reading a fucking 800p hardcover in a comfortable way. I love crawling under the covers with my Kindle and reading in the dark.

[Anonymous No.11191997]

>>11191984
Try not having manlet hands.

>>11191975
I don't like how I can't quickly flip between glossaries and where I am reading.

[Anonymous No.11192008]

>>11185544
I've been pining after a girl for near six months now, and have gone from being completely sure she loved me back, to the complete opposite. I have no idea what to do now and when to/if I should make a move (which I already tried once to no avail). Uncertainty (and by extension the tragic flaw of hesitation) is a bitch and I can see why it fucked up Hamlet.

[Anonymous No.11192020]

>>11191997
That doesn't take much time and all the pros outweight that to me. Whatever works for you though.

[Anonymous No.11192032]

>>11191946
Yeah I don't like them either. I bought one but I rarely use it. Usually only for obscure non fictiony stuff

[Anonymous No.11192087]

>>11186257
I get what you're saying, but your point is still juvenile.

Death, and the despair you feel when encountered with it, should serve as a pretty decent drive to enjoy every last bit of time you get on earth. Sure you can wallow in your own self-pity for being born into a world you can't be in forever, but isn't better to just enjoy that world for the short time you're here?

[Anonymous No.11192096]

>>11186257
>>11192087
Also, the feeling of balancing on a tightrope with a dark abyss under is really good, that's what life's like. But you misunderstand the dark abyss, it's only dark when you're standing on the tightrope, as soon as you fall you'll not be conscious and therefor not feel anything, not darkness, not light, just nothing.

[Anonymous No.11192398]

I'm trying to write something YAish and it's turning out to be harder than I anticipated. I know I want it to be focused in a particular location that's full of mysteries, so I'm torn whether I want it to be a school setting a la Hogwarts or some kind of horror novel where the protagonist is in a new place and slowly uncovers stuff. The problem with the former is that I can't decide whether I want it to be fantasy, urban fantasy, or sci-fantasy. As for the later, I have no idea what kind of location that would be or what the premise would even be, so I'm leaning more towards the former.

[Anonymous No.11192407]

>>11186257
you must be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.11192438]

>>11186774
It could be that it's not depression and you just have a shitty life. If that's the case, good, that means something can be done about it. Work towards not having a shitty life.

[Anonymous No.11192455]

>>11188353
Read below.
>>11192438
If you're in a good relationship; have lots of money; have the profession you always dreamed about; are in a good standing with your family and community; and ideally also have some sort of faith that you follow to give you spiritual fulfilledness to go with the material, yet you still feel depressed, then yes it is depression.

It is normal to feel shitty when your life is miserable or not where it could be and you're aware of your low position on the societal hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.11192461]

>>11192455
>It is normal to feel shitty when your life is miserable or not where it could be and you're aware of your low position on the societal hierarchy
>caring about normie shit

[Anonymous No.11192480]

>>11191656
Thanks for the sympathy. There's nothing for me to do.

[Anonymous No.11192494]

>>11192480
Maybe try something else than Uni? Are you even honestly interested in the field you try to apply for?

[Anonymous No.11192510]

>>11192480
I quit high school in my last year "to write" and spent like three years dodging and another three doing some catch-up program only to pass and get to college so I could quit all over again, so I understand. Though we have different problems.

[Anonymous No.11192535]

>>11192494
I read to it 12-14 hours a day for 4 weeks (this was when the material was released for the test, but spent entire year reading related books). I just have some kind of condition which makes me unable to learn, probably low IQ, I'm just incapable of fucking rendering the answer to paper when asked, it's ike a vacuum happens in my brain at that exact info and I forget it.
>Try something else than Uni
I can't even get a job as a cashier. I'm bad with my hands so if I get into trades I'd probably become insurance risk or something. Even offered to work as unpaid intern at couple of shops to get experience, but nope.

i'd want to be a victor liek normies but everywhere I try I fail ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.11192577]

>>11192535
This doesn't sound like a low IQ problem though. It's one thing if you're too stupid to understand something, and it's quite another if it disappears on the spot. Sounds more like you have some troubles with memory as well as serious anxiety issues.
Are you American or Euro? What do your parents say?

[Anonymous No.11192581]

>>11192461
It's biology, not normie. Our brains are wired to detect our hierarchical position. Lobsters have the same wiring, and they were a common ancestor to humans a third of a billion years ago. You can learn a lot from Dr. Jordan Peterson, and as a clinical psychologist I dare say he knows a thing or two about what can cause depression.

[Anonymous No.11192588]

>>11192581
>baiting this hard
I was going to dismiss you as a brainwashed cultist, but you're overdoing it.

[Anonymous No.11192596]

>>11192577
The memory is terrible.
>Parents say.
They're accustomed to my failures, I come from white trash family.
>American or Euro
Europoor.

[Anonymous No.11192600]

>>11192596
>They're accustomed to my failures, I come from white trash family.
>Europoor.
What does that even mean in the context of Europe? Like you come from a poorer country? And why can't your parents get you some kind of help? Surely they can't think this is normal. Have you tried doing any kind of research on what might be wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.11192602]

>>11192588
It's ok if you don't like what I say, but I'm not going to stop saying it merely based on that fact.

[Anonymous No.11192609]

>>11192602
I don't dislike what you say because it makes no sense, and it also has nothing to do with what Peterson says. In fact, Peterson is very explicit that succeeding in any type of hierarchy can bring you joy and satisfaction, which is why so many people spend their days playing WoW and other similar games, where they feel they're doing something meaningful.
By no means does hierarchy and happiness imply doing normie crap.

[Anonymous No.11192610]

>>11192600
They're both poor & old, and can't do anything to help me

[Anonymous No.11192611]

>>11192581
*climbs above you in the dominance hierarchy*
you're wrong

[Anonymous No.11192625]

>>11192581
underrated bait. saved

[Anonymous No.11192638]

>>11191956
i hate cubicles, mistrust technology, and feel like society is becoming increasingly algorithmic. i also feel that a lit degree would have made me a better writer earlier

[Anonymous No.11192641]

>>11192638
Get a trade job, faggot. It's not too late to become a mechanic.

[Anonymous No.11192645]

>>11192609
>Joy
>Satisfaction
>Happiness
I was talking about how being low on the hierarchy can come with it a sense of depression. As for happiness, Dr. Peterson has spoken about how that shouldn't be the aim or the goal. If it comes along, great, embrace it, but it won't help you when dealing with the hard times in life. The goal should be purpose, which is something I've been thinking about for roughly a decade or so before I ever heard of him. With purpose, you can get meaningful satisfaction, at least at times.

Actually for some, parts of climbing the hierarchy can indeed involve normie stuff. Get married, have kids, and when you're young you need to learn to develop a work ethic as well as learn to be smart with money which will likely involve working a low-skill job like at McDonald's or a cash register at a grocery store. That's low on the hierarchy, but it's a necessary step to climb higher. What's the alternative? Well I guess that would be get an education instead of work such jobs, but many people work while getting post-secondary education. It's also worth noting that, I think, meaningful satisfaction can be gained even at low or middle parts of the hierarchy if you at least know that you're climbing. Working at McDonald's got pretty boring and monotonous but in the beginning when I was learning and working and making pay cheques, it felt pretty awesome!

So perhaps the sense of depression that comes with being low on the hierarchy isn't so much your position there, but the lack of climbing. Though, it depends on the individual as well. Some people just won't be content unless they're already high, they don't really want to work for it and jut want everything given to them, which is just a miserable mindset to have. That's a personal flaw, one that should be worked on.

[Anonymous No.11192652]

>>11191616
I visited it and I'm shocked
Do more of you guys know it? How much of it is true and how much is r9k shit?

[Anonymous No.11192659]

>>11192652
>how much of it is true
very little
>how much is r9k shit
literally all of it.

[Anonymous No.11192664]

>>11192652
It's anti social to talk about it. Redpill focuses on self improvement and women hate, r9k only focuses on women hate.

[Anonymous No.11192688]

>>11192659
>>11192664
As a young and unexperienced man who wants to have children, their worldview is terrifying.
I am aware that one should cutivate "masculine" traits and be careful when choosing a partner, but they make it sound like a total war between the sexes...

[Anonymous No.11192700]

>>11185544
I'm feverish, my head hurts, my hands don't smell like my own, but still I can only think about the ten lonely nights till I see her.

[Anonymous No.11192705]

>>11192688
I guarantee you will have more success if you focus on improving yourself and being genuine than if you start taking advice from a bunch of losers on reddit. Unironically just b urself.

[Anonymous No.11192718]

>>11185544
Mother hit me with the 'What are your plans for the future' bomb today. Wasn't expecting it and just became completely paralysed with anxiety. Now I know she's worried about me, feeling helpless.

[Anonymous No.11192719]

I wish I was dead.

[Anonymous No.11192721]

>>11186506
HEY THERE FUCKFACE
HEY THERE FUCKFACE
THERE ARE TWELVE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD
THE REST ARE PASTE

[Anonymous No.11192725]

>>11187953
It's shit. Most of my friends are currently serving and it's so fucking lonely. I know that I have to go trough that shit eventually, but I don't want to waste a minute in this life for someone else gain.

[Anonymous No.11192731]

>>11192645
>What's the alternative?
The alternative is finding a way to cheat the system so you can live in a comfy way and read books all day until you die.

[Anonymous No.11192744]

>>11192610
I mean you can at least try to look up the symptoms yourself and/or go in for a consultation. Better than wasting away like this. How did you even get through school?

[Anonymous No.11192757]

>>11192705
Thanks, man
I really need to take a break from the internet, I am too neurotic and this is fucking my head.

[Anonymous No.11192762]

>>11192688
Imagine being so in love with a woman to the point of making her your life partner and the mother of your child, only to come home to her one day getting fucked in the ass by your best friend.

[Anonymous No.11192767]

>>11191616
how is it possible that no one has told this redditor to go back yet? go fucking back

[Anonymous No.11192771]

>>11192767
>implying everyone here isn't on both 4chan and Reddit

[Anonymous No.11192772]

>>11192645
pure ideology, this much individualism is unhealthy and it's why you guys have such shitty suicid

[Anonymous No.11192778]

>>11192772
suicide rates*

[Anonymous No.11192788]

>>11192771
I'm not. I've never gone to Reddit and you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.11192794]

>>11192788
Why have you never gone?

[Anonymous No.11192809]

>>11192794
Don't know. I grew up without it. The few times I stumbled upon it I was so appalled by the people there I never returned. Upvoting is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.11192840]

I should take sleeping pills so that I can certainly sleep in about 3 hours, but I'm afraid of being drowsy in the morning (5 am, it's 16 pm now)
but next week I might get real sleeping pills, and maybe even those drugs Americans take for alertness and focus
then I shall reconcile philosophy and become messiah

[Anonymous No.11192873]

>>11192840
Just get some melatonin, it works well and won't leave you unable to wake for eight hours or whatever.

[Anonymous No.11192883]

>>11192840
>>11192840
>then I shall reconcile philosophy
Too late.

[Anonymous No.11192995]

>>11192721

WHERE ARE THE OBLIGATORY NIGGERS?

[Anonymous No.11193031]

>>11192731
By 'cheat the system' I suppose you mean to figure out a way to enjoy the comforts of civilization without having to work for it? Living in safety, with lights, with heating, with Police and Fire services available and such? The easiest way would be to go on welfare I imagine, ensuring you a fixed amount of money every month or every couple weeks. That would give you all the above, along with food and housing and what not, allowing you to read all day. Sounds like far too much order to me, no chaos aside from the unknown that you find in books and that doesn't sound like enough stimulation. I anticipate that it would get monotonous and unfulfilling unless you have an extremely odd personality that is fine with minimal to no social interaction and minimal to no expectations on yourself and so the mere act of reading things you've never read before is exceeding your own low expectations.

That's more-or-less how I view that alternative at the moment. If you don't have such low expectations then you're likely to end up with feelings of depression, and even if you do have such a low aim for your future chances are in time you'll look back and think "what have I done with my life?" No family, few if any friends, you've never really MADE anything, never saved up a noteworthy amount of money to allow you to travel, you'd just end up a wrinkled and greyed 60 or 70-odd year old cranky son of a gun who's useful for little more than giving vague descriptions of things that they've read. Perhaps buried underneath the loneliness is a tiny little shiny pebble that says "INTELLECTUAL", but it'd never be enough to overcome the emptiness, no matter how shiny.

>>11192772
Individualism is at the foundation of the modern west, the greatest civilization ever made. I think as far as ideologies go, it's the least evil if nothing else. Give me your description of individualism, and how you think it's unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.11193047]

>>11193031
Individualism is anathematic to class consciousness.

[Anonymous No.11193075]

>>11193031
I don't need civilization. All I need is a house. I know how to get my own electricity, and I certainly don't need police and firemen. I'll go full Varg if I have to. In the end, though, it doesn't matter so long as I don't end up as a slave to some corporation.
I would say a satisfying alternative is starting a business but unfortunately that's not viable anymore in your
>the greatest civilization ever made
Also, there's nothing monotonous about reading unless you're reading without a purpose. I'm reading to advance past the brainlet phase and have something of substance to contribute that isn't your shilling of soulless, self-destructive, brainless liberal capitalism or some lame and useless form of Marxist critique.
It's nothing about low expectations. Furthermore,
>No family, few if any friends
Why would you have no friends or family? I mean, I can do without, but I do have some. I just don't think I'd be a depressed cripple without them.
>you've never really MADE anything
>living in a home made by yourself and being self-sufficient
>you haven't made anything
You mean surplus for my slave-own-- employer? Yeah, I don't think I'll make that, thanks.
>never saved up a noteworthy amount of money to allow you to travel
Again, this doesn't need to be the case. You could be off the grid and making money in various ways.
>you'd just end up a wrinkled and greyed 60 or 70-odd year old cranky son of a gun who's useful for little more than giving vague descriptions of things that they've read
That's your future, maybe. Most people that read, you know, tend to have thoughts of their own. But a Peterson brainlet clearly doesn't.
>Individualism is at the foundation of the modern west
It's literally not, and you have no proof for this. Maybe you mean for liberalism, but liberalism was a catastrophic mistake.
>the greatest civilization ever made
>
>I think as far as ideologies go, it's the least evil if nothing else.
It kind of is the definition of evil, sweetheart. Living only for material gain an only to climb the echelons of a corrupt and shallow society.
>Give me your description of individualism, and how you think it's unhealthy.
Because it deceives people into thinking they're responsible for their own destinies when that's clearly not the case, and it indoctrinates you into thinking you live and let live and public space is irrelevant to your private life, when, in reality, everything is deeply connected and you need to be very wary of what people do in the public space, especially when those activities are described as "harmless".
Individualism is completely empty of any substance. It's just a mechanism for put all the strain on you in order to make you forget that you live in a shit system.
From what I know, in America you can literally die on the fucking streets because you don't have health insurance. Yeah, sure sounds like a neat system, bro.

[Anonymous No.11193079]

>>11189603
Wish you luck, anon. Come back and tell how it went please.

[Anonymous No.11193108]

>>11192762
Who can say for certain that the problem is not her moral compass? Or that the relationship wasn't going down the drain before that?
How many failed marriages one man must have to create a woman hating cult, as if he discovered the ultimate truth?

[Anonymous No.11193124]

>>11193108
>How many failed marriages one man must have to create a woman hating cult, as if he discovered the ultimate truth?
Most of the women that hate men are retarded. They're usually desperate fuckers that decided to marry the first thing that gave them attention no matter how bonkers she might've seemed, and then they're surprised it ended in total failure.

[Anonymous No.11193131]

>>11193031
I don't think I could ever live in America
I don't think individualism is bad per se. I think those levels of individualism, where you're constantly thinking of yourself as a monad in competion with others for the "dominance hierarchy" is unhealthy. It seems like you're a chasing an ideological dream that you embrace out of some misplaced sense of "things are the way they are". This leads to atomization and alienation. Everyone is competing, always competing, competing competing competing. Society becomes an ultra normative panopticon where everyone is always chasing an impossible dream around. Objective achievements, ranks for faces, height, intelligence, dick size. Everyone is interchangeable, everyone is indistinguishable, every opposition is a rote response, left/right politics, everyone is categorized. Group takes precedence over personhood. Always ahead, gotta "spread your genes". Evolutionary psychology is going to destroy the world and take away any kind of humanity that we have left.

[Anonymous No.11193135]

>>11193047
Why should we put any focus on class?

>>11193075
Technically you don't even need electricity, however it's easy to say you don't need Police or firemen until you're dealing with a major threat or a major and uncontrollable fire. Whether it be a fire in a town or city, or a forest fire that's heading towards where you live. The concept of being 'a slave to some corporation' is ridiculous; you're being paid and you can quit anytime. In slavery, you get neither. You're also being paid enough to live quite comfortably with a home, a vehicle, practically any modern amenity you'd like to have within reason, and you could also buy literally any in-print book you want and almost any out-of-print book you want unless perhaps it's something that's been out of print for a very long time and thus is very rare/valuable/collectable. If you don't like the job, and I'd understand if you don't, then work towards getting a better one.

I still believe that living with the sole purpose of reading books would result in misery and regret in the long run. Reading is a great thing, and seeking intellectual improvement is fantastic, but I believe there's more to life than just learning as much as you possibly can while avoiding the responsibilities of life.

Making a home and being self-sufficient is something I hope to experience sometime in my life. Huge vegetable garden, hunting, fishing, render tallow from animal fat to use for candles and cooking, cut down and chop trees for firewood, render sea salt from sea water, etc. Most of these things I've already done, and I know the process of those that I haven't done (except how to make candle wicks from local resources). I definitely think self-sufficiency would bring with it a great amount of satisfaction when you are finally squared away to the point that you can sit back and relax, but then what? What if you keep it up for years and have everything down to a science? Well, you can read, but what about family? Don't you want to have children? I can't see how anyone can come to the end of their life without children and not have major regrets for their life choices, even if they were physically incapable of HAVING them then at least adopt and raise them as your own. I still think equating slave-owners to employers is cringe-worthy in its hyperbole, in fact it's so far removed from actual slavery that it's not even hyperbole, it's just factually wrong and over-dramatic.

Ah, so even while off the grid you still want a method of making money so that you can travel or at least purchase fine things, now we're getting somewhere. I'd have to think about that for a while because while I've given a fair bit of thought to living in a self-sustained way, I've not really given thought on how to make money at the same time. Well, besides my writings that is; I'd need a computer, enough electricity for it, and an internet connection.

(Will continue.)

[Anonymous No.11193151]

>>11193131
>Group takes precedence over personhood.
That was such an important thing you said, anon. I feel that's the crux of the self-defeating element in individualism. People become so obsessed with getting ahead, that they'll lock onto anything to get there, including group-think and tribalism. There's no reason not to. There's nothing in individualism's inner core that says you shouldn't. I mean, in the end, it leads for a better outcome for you, as an individual. There's no reason not to do, and people do do it, automatically. Not only that, but because there's so many "individuals" competing with one another, you want to establish a top group that's allowed to compete, because that gives you better chances. It doesn't take a genius to realize that you're better off getting 10th place out of 10 people than getting the 234th million place out of 300 million.

[Anonymous No.11193169]

>>11193135
The people must realize they are a permanent underclass so they will be ready to throw off the shackles of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11193182]

>>11193075
>>11193135
(Continued.)
I don't consider Dr. Peterson to be a brainlet by any stretch of the imagination, his views on religion and western society as well as the history of the 20th century are incredible. If you disagree with things he says, then the best way to change minds would be to refute them in as clear and intelligent a way as you can manage, rather than just calling people who respect his work a 'brainlet'.

Christianity is a pretty individualistic religion as far as religions go, and it is undoubtedly a fundamental part of western civilization. When witnessing someone getting stoned by a group, which is an action that the Old Testament approves of and even outlines the reasons for which a group can stone someone to death, Christ said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." In having done so, it took the group and caused each individual to look into themselves, to know they've all sinned, and to break from the mob mentality to see what they had been doing. The laws we use in the west are also about the individual, provided the individual is an adult. If a child does something stupid or breaks a law then to my knowledge the blame goes on the parents due to neglect, and fair enough, it was their job to care for the child but when you're dealing with the law you're not just put to death automatically no matter the offence because you have no worth. You are given a trial, a hearing, and you are protected as you make your case. You must answer for what you do. If there was no individualism, then you'd be judged base on your race or class or what have you and dismissed to get to more important matters. Instead we do our best to put identity politics aside to base you on who YOU are, what YOU have done, WHY you did it, and so on.

I would thank you to not resort to condescension if you'd like to continue the discussion. No need for such things as 'sweetheart'; if you want to have a proper conversation then we should maintain SOME level of mutual respect, even if it's so low as to not treat one another with undue insult. I don't see individualism as merely being for material gain, however climbing hierarchies is a very reasonable thing to attempt and even something that should be encouraged, for it's the people at the top of our hierarchy who are most benefiting society. Look at Bill Gates, who's life had Microsoft NOT touched? His huge advancements in computer technology has in a very real way changed life as we know it. Then there's Steve Jobs; so many people own his iPhone smartphone and they find it so beneficial to their lives that they'd feel an emptiness without it. A disconnect. Now, whether social media is a good thing or a bad thing, a good case can be made each way. Personally, I find my life to be better without it, but many wish to keep their access to it and to each their own.

I think this post is nearly at the max so I'll reply to your description of individualism in the next one.

[Anonymous No.11193201]

My girlfriend left me the day before Valentine's of this year. All she said when I asked what's wrong is "I don't know" and "Its not enough". I've been in a dark place since. Developed a stutter, letting myself go hungry, and I've dropped contact with most my friends. Thanks for reading.

[Anonymous No.11193209]

>>11193201
Start reaching out to your friends again anon. Don't let a dumb girl ruin your entire life.

[Anonymous No.11193231]

>>11193135
>it's easy to say you don't need Police or firemen until you're dealing with a major threat or a major and uncontrollable fire
I'll wait. I don't live in a dangerous place at all, and there hasn't been anything here in ages. Not to mention that you could, you know, just go.
> The concept of being 'a slave to some corporation' is ridiculous;
It's worse, actually. At least compared to late Roman slavery.
>you're being paid
Yeah, in pennies. For giving up your life for another's person enrichment from your hard work. Sounds legit.
>and you can quit anytime.
You can't though. You're bound by contract, and to begin with, you'd need a better job. Spoiler: There are no better jobs. Unless you give me some wild suggestion like "become your own bosss!!!!" I'm sure the millions that can't even find jobs to hold a home and eat are going to do just that, or they're going to quit their jobs and risk putting their family in danger. Imbecile.
>You're also being paid enough to live quite comfortably with a home
Maybe if you're in middle-class. Many aren't. And it's a shrinking number.
>then work towards getting a better one
People that are single can barely do that, never mind those that have loans and a family.
>I still believe that living with the sole purpose of reading books would result in misery and regret in the long run.
It's a means to an end.
>while avoiding the responsibilities of life.
Lol. What you describe aren't responsibilities of life. They're the artificial requirements to maintain the system going.
>Don't you want to have children?
Not if it means sacrificing my freedom, no. At least not yet.
>>11193182
>I don't consider Dr. Peterson to be a brainlet by any stretch of the imagination
He is, but not in the same way you are. I was directing them at you.
>his views on religion
As a psychological crutch? Yeah, wow, so deep. The guy has no theological grounding at all, don't give me this shit.
>Christianity is a pretty individualistic religion as far as religions go
>the religion that says you should die to save even someone you hate
Personal responsibility is not the same as late-capitalist individualism.
>If there was no individualism, then you'd be judged base on your race or class or what have you and dismissed to get to more important matters.
This is not only incredibly stupid, but just plain wrong. People have been judged for their personal actions for as long as we've had recorded history, even in societies that weren't focused on individualism at all. Complete and utter made-up bullshit, what you said.
>SOME level of mutual respect
I could've been nicer, sure, but this is 4chan. If you wanted me to be flowers and rainbows, you should've stayed on r/JordanPeterson or whatever the fuck it is.
> Look at Bill Gates, who's life had Microsoft NOT touched? His huge advancements in computer technology has in a very real way changed life as we know it.
You're equating science as a whole and progression with individualism?

[Anonymous No.11193236]

>>11193169
Define 'underclass', because even the poor on welfare in the west are living like literal kings by the standards of the world and by the standards of just a century ago. Free market capitalism has cut poverty down by half since the turn of the century, meanwhile opposers of capitalism create REAL poverty the likes that you see in Venezuela and as it rises in South Africa where it seems they're likely to reenact Zimbabwe. Or perhaps more accurately, the destructions of the Kulaks in the Ukraine in the 1920s/30s.

>>11193075
>>11193182
So, in reply to your description...
I don't see how people are not responsible for their own destinies. Your life can be so fundamentally altered by the decisions you make. Statistics show that if you finish school, get married, have kids in marriage, and don't get divorced, then your chances of falling to poverty by the standards of the west (which is pretty high standards worldwide) is at something like 5% or less. If you choose to just stay home and complain all the time, or if you choose to get a woman pregnant and not wish to have anything to do with it, or if you resort to criminality to try and take other people's possessions, then these are actions that will most quickly lead you down the path of Hell on Earth. On the flip side if you make the right decisions, if you study hard, if you work hard and build up your resume from a young age, show good work ethic, treat people with respect and not burn bridges, and wait until marriage to have children and maintain the relationship with your partner then you can improve your life exponentially to the point that at times it can feel like Heaven on Earth. You can be met at your death bed with children and grandchildren who love you, knowing that the Earth you were met with at your birth has been made better by your involvement in it by the time you've finished your journey.

I'd like to hear more on your views of 'public space' and 'people doing things in public space that is 'harmless''.

I don't see how individualism is empty when it fills you with responsibility and possibility. Even if you're born with a shitty hand (figuratively speaking), with a physical disability and perhaps sub-par looks and average or slightly below-average intelligence, etc., society still provides you with what you need to live, and if you grow tired of merely living off Government hand-outs then there's likely some sort of job you can find whether it be in the town/city you live or online. In fact I recall one guy who worked for Roosterteeth who's in a wheelchair, can't remember the disability, also has some trouble speaking from time to time, but anyhow he took part in their little gameshow, told some pretty damn hilarious jokes, wrote a book or two, and has actually accomplished more than potentially either of us yet have, and all because he is given the freedom to act as an individual. If he did not have that, if he was 'just some disabled guy in a wheelchair', either...

[Anonymous No.11193268]

>>11193124
You swapped "men" for "women" on the first sentence, right?
Also, from what I could read on that subreddit, they are very concerned with "game". Well, if your relationships with women only happen through "game", the only girls you know are the ones that fall for it, right? Women that they would consider as good wife material are not to be found where they look for them

[Anonymous No.11193277]

>>11193075
>>11193236
... either he'd be left to die or at best he would be told that he simply cannot be allowed to partake in society because of his disabilities and must continue to merely exist on the dole. On Government handouts and tax dollars. Instead, as mentioned, he's found work, he's made lots of money, he's written a book, and has found a means of providing much inspiration to people.

I'm not presently an American though I hope to be someday, and if they do away with Obama's socialized healthcare then indeed if you don't set yourself up with health insurance then you could very well end up in a position where you 'die in the streets' as it were. A big problem is that each individual State must provide their own healthcare and that if you live in one State you cannot get healthcare in another State even if it's more affordable. If this restriction was lifted and you could buy healthcare in whichever State you wanted then it would get the prices dealing with competition which would inevitably cause them to go down, making healthcare more affordable while maintaining the high quality of the free market. You can still choose NOT to get health insurance or a healthcare plan though, that's your CHOICE, and you must live (or die) with that choice.

It's freedom, and freedom comes with responsibility and risks. Also, yes, the freedom to own firearms also comes with the risk of bad people getting them and doing bad things to a lot of people. Like the health insurance issue, the issue of gun violence can be improved by removing another restriction; get rid of gun-free zones because over 95% of mass shootings take place in them because there won't be anyone to shoot back. If a teacher carries daily in their normal life but not at work, let them carry it at work. ESPECIALLY if they're ex-Police or ex-Military and there are indeed some such people teaching children in American schools. As far as I'm concerned, they should be encouraged to bring their own loaded AR-15 to school if they're comfortable with doing such.

[Anonymous No.11193278]

>>11193151
It's not even that they do it to get ahead, they do it to give some semblance of flavor to their life, or maybe they just don't know better. Maybe I'm exagerranting, I probably am, but when I take a stroll around Twitter and see all these people who self brand themselves with things like "conservative/liberal/atheist/christian/vegan" It starts becoming unnerving. "Why?" I ask. "Why do people find all this noise worth paying attention to?" And most of all, "why do they all sound the same despite the fact that they have so many different tags attached upon themselves?" This is what I mean with "group takes precedence over personhood", their personas are actually mechanical reproductions of their self assigned group identify and the way they think stifles any kind of personal identity that goes beyond the group. Americans have effectively politicized the soul, think about how drinking certain drinks is associated with political ideologies. You are an X, you are an Y. No I am Anon. But even such a way of thinking is easily commodified. Even reacting against this is in a sense still bounds you to that same paradygm, because you are defining your sense as a negation of that. The only true way to authenticity is forgetting all of this I feel, or at least not paying attention to it. I think Calvino was spot on when he said in Six Memos that the function of literature in the new millennium would be the communication of the different for no other reason that it being different.

[Anonymous No.11193285]

>>11193131
In the wilderness, calling it a "dominance hierarchy" is accurate, but in the west it's better defined as a "competence hierarchy". The smarter you are, the harder working you are, the better you are at decision-making, your ability to resist substance abuse, and so on and so forth, these are the things that most aid you in climbing the hierarchy. It's also worth noting that you climb the hierarchy by improving society.

[Anonymous No.11193288]

>>11193285
>you climb the hierarchy by improving society.
Imagine being this brainwashed.

[Anonymous No.11193327]

>>11193231
It looks like we're not going to find any common ground. It seems to me that you're content to complain about the society we've developed that has provided the greatest quality of life ever seen in human history with by far the greatest technology ever imagined. To be honest it seems like a truly absolute pessimism to the point that good cannot be accepted. Grass is greener on the other side, no matter what that side is, but even if that side arrived I think you'd start complaining about how things used to be, as in how things are right here and now. It would seem we're not going to agree on much if anything, so it looks like to continue this conversation would result in it being simply another 'internet arguement' as it were, where nothing is resolved and nobody wins or loses. It's just a waste of time all-around. Good luck in your pursuits, I will continue to partake in the game, and I hope the west is victorious in staving off the threat of Islam and Marxism. It didn't work in the 20th century, it isn't working in South Africa or Venezuela, and no matter how good it might sound in theory I'm not interested in voluntarily experimenting with it in practice again. Enough people have died, capitalism work, because as mentioned even if you just decide to live as a leech on welfare you will still live a remarkably high-quality life compared to other parts of the world and other times in history. It is a privilege to live in the west, and the west should be protected. The wilderness is there if you want it, and indeed I hope to live in it for a solid year off the grid sometime as an experiment. Survivalism and the way of life of our ancestors, it's a beautiful thing.

[Anonymous No.11193342]

>>11193288
To work is to contribute to society. When you earn promotions, it's because you're doing your job well, which means you're contributing even more to our way of life. The ultra rich, those are the people who contribute the most. Those are the people who take chances, who try new things, develop new technologies, find ways of making things better and/or more affordably, and so on. In a very real way, you can measure someone's contribution to their society by how much they make, assuming they're not breaking the law in the process.

[Anonymous No.11193385]

>>11193285
Yes, same stuff. But have you ever took a step back, watched the whole thing from afar and asked yourself if making that the guiding principle of your life was worth it? Have you ever tried to put this immanentized eschaton of "improving society" or "self-improvement" aside and just stared at the sky for a couple of hours? A couple of months ago another anon shared this spreadsheet with all of his daily activities, hour per hour, relaxation hours included. Of course I made fun of him, but deep down it was fucking scary. How could someone live like that? It's ok giving your all in studying and if you have a passion, but arriving to the point that you start writing down how many hours of anime you're going to watch? I feel like we're forgetting that life exists for no other reason that it wants it. Endlessly unbound, as Nietzsche said. Speaking of which, I think it's quite telling that Americans manage to read Nietzsche and somehow come to the conclusion that he was about "self improvement". Not "staying faithful to the Earth" but "self improvement". Then you jokingly make fun of him and they start telling you "ad hominems are not an argument", despite the fact that the man was a turbo irrationalist. I don't know man, I feel like I'm talking to aliens sometimes.

[Anonymous No.11193403]

>>11193236
Because some people are clearly either born in the wrong place or with the wrong genes. Some people, no matter how good their intentions, might just not have the brainpower or the means to get in a better state.
In order to do all those things you mentioned above, that person already has to be moderately intelligent, healthy of body and sound of mind, and to have the financial backing of their family. Many people don't have this full package. And even then, there's other reasons to fail, which might not be their fault.
>if you study hard
We literally had a guy in the thread above that studied for 9 fucking years to pass the same exams and can't do it, despite his best efforts. Not saying it's the GO-TO case, but there's many others like him, at least on some level. This entire thread is a fucking vast display of how helpless most people are, by little fault of their own.
> You can be met at your death bed with children and grandchildren who love you, knowing that the Earth you were met with at your birth has been made better by your involvement in it by the time you've finished your journey.
You can do that without having kids, and certainly without enabling a corrupt system to go on by working in some completely shameless corporation like Google, for example. You're just talking out of your ass.
>I'd like to hear more on your views of 'public space' and 'people doing things in public space that is 'harmless''.
The liberal idea of a public space where all things go and none of it matters (or should matter to you, because you're an "individual") is ridiculous. Of course it matters, because it determines what society will be. Let's take gays for example. I've got no problem with them, but it's a fair example. A liberal will say that gays kissing and groping each other and showing affection in public doesn't matter at all, because it's their freedom, and it's "public space" and if you don't like it you can just go back to your "private space". This is clearly completely wrong. There's no real barrier at all. Whatever happens outside your home is relevant because you bring that into the home, and what you do in the home you bring out to others. To treat them as different ontological worlds that bear no relation nor causation to one another is fucking stupid.
>I don't see how individualism is empty when it fills you with responsibility and possibility.
Do you suffer from a brain disease? None of these things you are mentioning have anything to do with individualism as such. You think people in the past didn't feel responsible or full of possibilities? How ignorant are you? It has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Your experience as a self-consciousness isn't determined by the fact that some government official tells you, "Well, boy, you're an individual now." It's how you fucking work. Please, respond to this and tell me how it's wrong, and how you need individualism to have responsibility and possibility.
>part1

[Anonymous No.11193406]

>>11193236
>Even if you're born with a shitty hand (figuratively speaking)
>society still provides you with what you need to live
Is this a fucking joke, dude? You realize that if you're a kid, say, and your parents aren't rich, you're probably going to die from the rare disease you suffer from? Or that if you happen to lose your parents, you're going to grow up as some damaged retard in orphanages? And that's for KIDS. Adults get NOTHING. Do you need more evidence than all the homeless people in the streets dying and being more disposable than chattel slaves? But it's all good. Because under "individualism", it's all their fault, and you bear no responsibility at all.
>In fact I recall one guy who worked for Roosterteeth who's in a wheelchair, can't remember the disability, also has some trouble speaking from time to time, but anyhow he took part in their little gameshow, told some pretty damn hilarious jokes, wrote a book or two, and has actually accomplished more than potentially either of us yet have, and all because he is given the freedom to act as an individual.
No, it's because he had an actual skill he put to use, and good for him. It means he got a good roll of the dice. This has nothing to do with anything. Nor is "individualism" involved in any fucking way.
Your whole notion seems to be that if we discarded individualism, we'd be living as ants, or something, which is clearly impossible. At the same time, you say that individualism has always been a European thing, despite the fact that all those years that brought Western civilization to what it is today did not have the "individualism" of the current West. You're conflating two very different things. It's one thing to treat people as entities unto themselves, even as individuals if you want to use that word necessarily, and it's quite another to support "individualism" as an actual political idea.
The individualism you're supporting is nonsensical, and you seem not to see it. On one hand, you're saying that anyone can achieve anything, which is just empirically WRONG. And many of the reasons they can't is because of your "individualist" system existing in the first place. At the same time, ironically, it uses tools to explain why certain people didn't reach those capitalist heights which directly contradict the starting point of a blank slate - by explaining they have low IQs, or came from a bad environment, or whatever. You can't have it both ways. Either people do not all have equal opportunities and individualism and capitalism are wrong as a system, or, if not, you have to account as to WHY some people are that much worse off considering they all supposedly have equal chances (which, ultimately, would still lead to you having a bad system that puts some over others, despite being all about the equality between individuals).

[Anonymous No.11193428]

>>11193403
what has google done to you dude

[Anonymous No.11193445]

>>11193385
Climbing the competence hierarchy isn't the guiding principle of my life, it's just a part of out life in society. It's certainly better to have that than the dominance hierarchy, and a part of how it's changed from dominance to competence is in part thanks to religion and marriage from what I can tell. What's a huge part for men to dominate? To obtain women, but what about when polygamy is made immoral or even illegal? When monogamy is moral and if nothing else at least heavily socially encouraged. If it was a dominance hierarchy, then by choice or by force, 80% of the women would go to 20% of the men, roughly speaking. In fact if we removed monogamous pressure and religion then the wealthiest men would get the majority of women merely of their own choice. Women WANT a wealthy man who can get them anything she wants, women are hypergamists, meaning they aim for partners who are AT LEAST on the same socioeconomic level as them but ideally seek for those who are higher than that. It's their nature, just as it's in men's nature to not really care how much money women make or if they're good with a bow or not or if they can hunt or fish or what have you. Sure, it's useful, but their primary use is between their thighs and then after birth, on their chest.

With marriage and socially pressured monogamy, women are more spread-out. Still hypergamists, but there are far more that are available, which is really for the benefit of society itself. A man who has a wife and children have less incentive to break the law or stir up trouble. They have more incentive to obey the law, to work hard, to make more money (which they would make by contributing more to society) and thus our amazing civilization can be not only maintained but continue to improve for the future generations. Better technology, new jobs (many jobs we have now didn't exist 20-30 years ago), a stronger economy, more buying power, and so on and so forth. My goal isn't to get to the top of the competence hierarchy, technically that would be a national leader or at least something like the CEO of a major company like Microsoft or Amazon or Apple or McDonald's or what have you. No, I'm fine with even lower-middle class.

I just want to be a full-time writer. If I can get to a point where I'm making $15k USD per year, I'm happy. If I prove myself competent and talented enough to where enough people buy and enjoy my books that I make $20k per year, I'm laughing. That's PLENTY of money by my modest standards. Other people can deal with the pressures and stress of running companies and making millions; I don't need either. In fact 15-20k per year sounds more lower class than middle class, but so be it. I intend on becoming the best writer I can be though, and already I've spoken to readers who have found great enjoyment in what I've written, so I anticipate that as the years turn to decades I'll be making FAR in excess of 20k per year though. Just a hunch.

[Anonymous No.11193458]

>>11193428
You mean other than presenting itself as an unbiased corporation while simultaneously hoarding our private information for its own benefit and using its power to brainwashed people into progressive ideology? Or is it just that despite them being a company worth billions they still (as do Apple, and Disney, etc.) avoid paying their taxes? I wonder.
Also, I've read a lot about their practices as a company, and I talked to a few girls that worked there, and it's culty as fuck.
Google can fucking burn.

[Anonymous No.11193595]

>>11193458
>Google can fucking burn.
Indeed.

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[Anonymous No.11193608]

>>11193595
Quack quack, my nigguh.

[Anonymous No.11193677]

>>11193595
>>11193608

I use Ecosia.

[Anonymous No.11193728]

haven't eaten anything in 37 hours and stomach hurts quite a bit

[Anonymous No.11193756]

>>11193728
Are you anorexic?

[Anonymous No.11193766]

>>11193445
This is quite interesting, a capitalist individualist who is fine with staying in the lower class. Something tells me it goes against what anti-capitalists think of when they think of capitalists.

[Anonymous No.11193810]

>>11193766
>Something tells me it goes against what anti-capitalists think of when they think of capitalists.
Not really. That would probably be one of the main critiques of capitalism, that it brainwashes people into thinking they only "deserve" what they get in life, and it lulls them into the security and complacency.
The majority of people in capitalism are poor, and they are very much in favor of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11193837]

>>11193810
There is opportunity in capitalism. The only opportunity otherwise is serfdom or starvation (aka Marxism/socialism).

[Anonymous No.11193850]

>>11193837
>There is opportunity in capitalism. The only opportunity otherwise is serfdom or starvation (aka Marxism/socialism).
There's opportunity in any system that there is. There's even opportunity in tyranny. That's a very, very bad argument. Also I'm not a socialist, nor a fan of Marxism apart from its critique of capitalism. Even for Marxism, the reason that people starved is a lot more different than what you might think.