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Women in SFF Edition.
>list 5 good sff women authors
>last sff book with a female protagonist
>last sff female author your read

FANTASY
Selected:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
General:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg
Flowchart:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21327.jpg

SCIENCE FICTION
Selected:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21326.jpg
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21331.jpg
General:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
>https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Previous Threads:
>>11162145
>>11148629
>>11134465
>>11120443

>> No.11169671

Just finished Urth of the New Sun. Told a coworker what I was reading; he recommended Hyperion. Have I been steered in the right direction, or should I go for something else?

Didn't like Urth of the New Sun too much, for the record. I mean, Wolfe's writing was great, but I loved BotNS so much because it was all about setting up all these mysteries and vaguely circular dream-like connections. Urth was basically a straightforward walk through them, tying most of them up without presenting many new mysteries of its own. The most interesting thing to me was Severain's injuries reappearing. Otherwise, decent novel, but I would have preferred more being left open to interpretation by the end.

>> No.11169687

The women in WoT are giving me an aneurysm lads

>> No.11169693
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11169693

If you read in English, make sure your version is the 2011 translation.
Download: https://share.soupwhale.com/bibliotik/files/Solaris%20-%20Stanislaw%20Lem/

>> No.11169696

>>11169687
Stop reading it then you idiot

>> No.11169705

>>11169696
Make me

>> No.11169849

>>11169671
Hyperion starts incredibly strong and then nosedives in the later books.

I understand what you mean about Urth being all tying up loose ends but isn't that usually what an ending novel should do? I too enjoy the mystery itself more than the solving most of the time but that doesn't actually make Urth a lesser novel

>> No.11169857

>>11169506
>list 5 good sff women authors
They're generally less enjoyable because they can't coast on shared identity the way male authors can, but I'll stand by any of these

Meghan Whelan Turner
Susanna Clarke
Susan Cooper
Lois McMaster Bujold
Connie Willis

>> No.11169859

sanderfag a hack

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>>11169506
>women authors

Sorry but any woman writing sci-fi or fantasy is going to be doing a worse job than a man.

>> No.11169909

>>11169870
It's because I'm fed up of your shit for these past months that I made this thread.

Expel fluids from both ends till your death

>> No.11169916

>>11169909
you're idiot

>> No.11169928

>>11169909
>roastie thot detected

>> No.11169937

>>11169849
>isn't that usually what an ending novel should do?
I prefer the David Lynch approach of
>can you talk about it?
>no.
Maybe the general population wouldn't like it, but I personally love it when there are questions left unanswered. Especially with something like BotNS, where the literary references run so deep that your own interpretation can be colored in by the ones you catch.

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11169948

Bakker's use of woman-as-objects-and-whores-etc is pretty weak, though I guess he redeemed himself a bit with Mimara and Serwa.

Mimara literally has access to what is objectively moral, I think, so that's neat.

otherwise, yadda yadda, "he ejected black semen from his throbbing phallus onto her sweet peach". jesus christ lads what in the fuck, I hope no one knows what kind of grimdark bullshit I'm reading.

>> No.11169954

>>11169928
>womanmeme spaming multiple times a thread
>every thread for at least a year
>make thread in the intention that it would put him in a seizure and thus out off sffg
>r9k white knights for faggot sperg and calls male a thot
not even surprised. I know yall faggot robots saw males as walking onaholes.

>> No.11169972

>>11169954
Nigga you must be fucking autistic because I have no idea what you're trying to convey

>> No.11169974

Any good recent sexist or misogynist fantasy novels?

>> No.11170075

>>11169974
litrpg is good for male fantasy

>> No.11170083

>>11169506

Leigh Brackett
CL Moore

I can only manage 2

>> No.11170111

>>11169974
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor

>> No.11170113

>>11169506
I really like J K Rowling and Stephanie Meyer, they're my favorite fantasy writers ;)

>> No.11170177
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11170177

What do you think of him?

>> No.11170256
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>>11170113

>> No.11170263

>>11169506
This is the designated bait thread, right?

>> No.11170271

>>11169954
Maybe you're the minority enjoying current shitty female writers, and the rest are right in calling them out, ever pondered that?

>> No.11170285

Any interesting themes one could explore for a female protag in fantasy that isn't MUH PATRIARCHY, MUH EVIL MEN?

>> No.11170328

>>11169506
>list 5 good sff women authors
Tatyana Tolstaya
Angélica Gorodischer
Susanna Clarke
Catherynne M. Valente
Hope Mirrlees

>last sff book with a female protagonist
The Stepford Wives (pretty good)

>last sff female author you read
Maureen F. McHugh (also pretty good)

>> No.11170368

>>11169705
Maybe I will. I bet you'd like that.

>> No.11170423

>>11170328
What about Ursula K Le Guin?

>> No.11170447

>>11170423
She is also a good sff author, but OP only asked for five.

>> No.11170477

>>11170423
Didn't care for her. Borrowed seventies politics.

>> No.11170703

>>11169857
Susanna Clarke is a literal meme and the creation of good marketing. Stop being a pleb

>> No.11170715

>>11169909
>Implying it's just one guy who laughs at your stupid inane bullshit
Bless your retarded little heart

>> No.11170717

>finished second Malazan book

Poor historian

>> No.11170727

>>11169506
nymphonomicon.png

>> No.11170731

>>11169506
Erin Morgenstern
Ursula K LeGuin
Pat Cadigan
Nicola Griffith
Susan Cooper

>> No.11170743

>>11170717
Book 2 is pretty rough. Book 3 is even more harrowing.

>> No.11170748

>>11169693
Thank you sir

>> No.11170749

>>11170731
This is the only person in this thread with any semblance of taste

>> No.11170753

>>11169506
>ursula
>non-handmaid Atwood
>Shelley
>Doris Lessing
>Octavia Butler

>> No.11170768
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11170768

>>11169506

Can we have a list of acceptable YA novels to still read like Watership Down for example?

>> No.11170772

>>11170271
have you ever considered not being butthurt online about women? jesus christ dude.

>> No.11170776

>>11170768
Pestilence Hounds is so fucking good

>> No.11170781

>>11170772
You're right, he sounds like the butthurt one. Fuck outta here with your retarded newfag shit

>> No.11170783

>>11170772
Don't you see that shitposting and derailing conversation on the illiteracy section of a Tanzanian Hyena Clitoris Rubbing Forum is his revenge for not getting laid?

>> No.11170789

>>11170781
How will women ever recover? Based anon btfo-ing everyone ITT

>> No.11170792

Women need to stop writing with their dicks.

>> No.11170795

>>11170789
The best part is you think it's only one person...

>> No.11170815

>>11170795
I know there's 2-3 incels permashitposting in this general. Just ignore them and they'll get bored and leave.

>> No.11170816

>>11170815
no, i work as fast food critic.

>> No.11170821

>>11170815
>Incel
I'm literally married and have a kid on the way. But keep making broad generalizations about the people who laugh at you, you do you buddy

>> No.11170836

b a r u
c o r m o r a n t

>> No.11170977

Personally I don't even look at the authors sex or anything. If it's a good read it's good who cares.

>> No.11170981

Stop arguing with him you faggots, just report him when he brings it up and ignore him

>> No.11170984

>>11170981
Who the hell are you even talking to

>> No.11170985

>>11170984
(You)

>> No.11171008
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>>11169506
>women sff authors
Nobody mentioned james tiptree jr yet
So now i have
Pic unrelated

>> No.11171046

>>11170177
Not OP, but he's top tier. PKD is among the only western scifi writers who can compete with the east-european ones.

>> No.11171058

>>11169506
>last sff book with a female protagonist
Currently reading Mists of Avalon, got a whole cast of female protags...
>last sff female author your read
...and is written by a female.

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11171074

>>11169506

>> No.11171079

>>11168960
Individuality hands-down. Humanity thrives when it's allowed to form emergent systems and gets stifled when it's made too efficient.

>> No.11171085

>>11170977
Obviously this. It's only since the millennials came along and get incoherently mad about everything that it was even brought up.

>> No.11171109

How do you feel about reading multiple books at once? For example, I want to read more sci-fi while also reading classics and non-fiction. So, 10 pages of each per day or something along those lines.

Do you guys read multiple books at once? Do you find it better or worse than reading a single book at a time?

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>>11171109
How else are you going to read everything?

>> No.11171132

>>11171109
Sometimes I'll have two books on the go. If a book is too dense I'll switch to some light trash for a bit.

>> No.11171133

>>11171085
>Gen x faggot crying like a bitch and oblivious to the fact that it's pathetic for his old ass to even still be here

>> No.11171164

>>11171133
You seem to angry about something, did a book by a female author hurt you as a child?

>> No.11171183

>>11171164
A Nancy Farmer book gave me a nasty papercut when I was 11. Ever since then I swore off all literature created by women. Not until Nancy apologies to me.

>> No.11171223

>>11171164
Don't you have metamucil to take and Matlock reruns to watch faggot?

>> No.11171246

>>11170815
>incel
>>>/reddit/

>>11171109
It depends on what books I'm reading. If I'm reading a long and/or demanding book I like to refresh myself by reading a short story or two, so I usually have a half finished short story collection laying around. I'm currently reading >>11171058 and since it's quite a long book separated into distinct parts I'm also finishing a Lovecraft collection I have been reading for like half a year.

However, I don't like reading two more complex books at the same time.

>> No.11171264

>>11169506
Andre Norton is good if you just want some nice simple pulp with mixed fantasy sci-fi elements.

>> No.11171293

>>11171246
>he thinks incel is reddit
Yikes.

>> No.11171308

Any good novels with a girl protagonist?

>> No.11171336

>>11171308
Kingkiller Chronicle

>> No.11171350
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>>11171293
>he thinks incel is reddit
The word, absolutely. Next time try calling them virgins, robots or get a little creative.

>> No.11171368

>>11171350
Oh I'm not him. But incel has been used here for years, not as popular but that's beside the point.

>> No.11171375

>>11171336
Based Auri

>> No.11171429

>>11171368
/r9k/ isn't "here."

>> No.11171435

>>11169693
How do I know which I have? Got it off Amazon.

>> No.11171448

>>11171429
4chan is here. /r9k/ is 4chan. Here is here.

>> No.11171452

>>11171448
where

>> No.11171462

>>11171452
Just there.

>> No.11171634

>>11171462
>>11171452
Take heart, you are both insufferable.

>> No.11171689

KILL
SCARPE

>> No.11171695
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This summer we will get russian translation of "Aurora" by Kim Stanley Robinson. Is it any good? Never read anything by him.

>> No.11171713

Jack Vance > Gene Wolfe >>>>>> Tolkien

>> No.11171726

>>11171713
I've read dying earth but thought it was hilariously shit, is lyonesse much of an improvement?

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>>11171726
>I've read dying earth but thought it was hilariously shit

>> No.11171770

>>11170368
Maybe I would.

>> No.11171780

>>11171713
Gene is a girls' name, she can't be better than Tolkien.

>> No.11171797

>>11171780
Roddenberry would like a word with you.

>> No.11171861

>>11171797
I don't think any woman author could make something as effeminate as Star Trek.

>> No.11171983

>>11169972
Not my fault you are too a normie newfag to decipher my eloquently crafted greentext. It's nuance with wordplay, hyperbole,mand chinese animated drawing speak, makes it a wonder to behold.

>> No.11171995

>>11170727
You think I should have put some blonde hair on the book along with the bra and panties?

>> No.11172013

>>11171734
Dying Earth was shit. Fuck off. You fuckers memed me into reading dated cliched boring shit.
Fuck off

>> No.11172028

>>11172013
Why don't you stick to Jeff Vandermeer and leave the classics alone then.

>> No.11172034
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>>11172028
>Jeff Vandermeer

Tried to read one of his books when I was at the library last week and it was so bad I didn't finish.

>> No.11172035

>>11172034
At least it's not dated and cliched, right?

>> No.11172116

Damn dude my problem with female fanasty writers is that they just can't seem to write a fucking book without injecting modern day political garbage into it. When I sit down to read I go for escapism not to be lectured on feminism or guuurl power with a thin fantasy veneer.

>> No.11172145

>>11170776
The movie is the only acceptable version because it restores the true ending.

>> No.11172152

>>11171308
Worm

>> No.11172215

>>11172152
This.

Ward (the sequel) is decent so far, and has a female protagonist too.

>> No.11172217

>>11172116
Shut up bigot. How dare you question the actions of women, they can't be held to the same standard as men. They are all stunning and brave

>> No.11172266

>>11172116
Can you give me some modern male authors that don't do this?

>> No.11172320

>>11172266
This.

>> No.11172414

>>11171726
Dying Earth was Vance's first novel. It's really not representative of his developed/usual style at all.

>> No.11172416

>>11172266
library at mount char

>> No.11172417

>>11170703
I enjoyed Strange and Norrell more than anything of Wolfe's, though, and he seems to be the favored male author now

>> No.11172448

>>11172116
>reads a bad book by a male author
>"Wow, this is a shitty writer"

>reads a bad book by a female author
>"Wow, all women are shitty writers"

>> No.11172454
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11172454

Give me your worst female fantasy author /lilt/.
You can't frighten me, for i've already read Throne of glass.Do your worst, anons.

>> No.11172455

>>11169671
as in hyperion cantos? yes!

>> No.11172459

>>11172417
Then you're a pleb without a modicum of taste. You bought into an artificially inflated book with manufactured success bought by its publisher. Hopefully god grants you some small semblance of taste in the next life, it's far too late for you to have any hope in this one.

>> No.11172478

>>11169506
Couldn't list any
What If-?
Veronica Roth?

>> No.11172491

>>11172459
Or maybe the return of the old, wild magic - as opposed to the stuffy, domesticated Victorian kind - is an interesting idea. And it finds a way to transcend the old "rightful hero vs dark lord" cliche without resorting to "everyone is a morally grey edgelord" either. And the Man with the Thistledown Hair is fascinating. And the footnotes give it more depth than any amount of Sandersonian "worldbuilding" (though arguably she took that idea from DFW).

>> No.11172514

>>11172416
Not an author

>> No.11172518

>>11171183
>Nancy Farmer
Huh. Interesting...

>> No.11172519

>>11172454
Kendare Blake

>> No.11172560

>>11172454
Stephenie Meyer.

>> No.11172575

>>11172491
Let's talk about the book instead. One of the few complaints I have about it is that there are basically no consequences for Mr Norrell in the end. His actions put several people through extreme suffering and he never really take responsibility for it. Also, it could probably be like 100 pages shorter.

>> No.11172650

>>11172575
I thought Peter Harness's adaptation for the BBC did better with that, where his library gets destroyed toward the end. And it ties in with the themes about the Raven King's return, because magic is free and untamed now, it can't be bound up in walls or covers

>> No.11172659

>>11172650
I watched the scene with the ship on the sand banks on Youtube and swore that I'll never watch that series. However, the detail you mentioned sounds nice.

>> No.11172661

>>11170111
Gor isn’t good though.

>> No.11172668

>>11172661
>you will be fucked
Gor is like the definition of so bad it's hilarious.

>> No.11172670

>>11171861
This, but unironically

>> No.11172673

>>11172668
Gor is terrible, they eventually just totally drop the whole space opera thing and its just ridiculous

>> No.11172674

>>11172116
Honestly you’re just not looking hard enough. That shit’s annoying when it happens, but it’s not as common as you’re making it out to be.

>> No.11172683

>>11172668
The best thing about Outlaw of Gor is the legitimate cult that follows its teachings.

https://youtu.be/EPR7lQh4xwg

>> No.11172685

>>11172491
ahhhh yes you're right what a brilliant idea for a book. It's so brilliant in fact that it surely explains why the publisher had such faith in an unknown author and the first edition printing was 250,000 copies, numbers only mega authors are allowed. You're a sheep bud and the sad part is you're too stupid to understand it. Again I'm sure there's hope for you in the next life, you're too inbred to function in this one. I'm amazed you don't drool on yourself more often

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>ctrl+ f "blind" - 0 results
>ctrl+ f "echo" - 0 results
>ctrl+ f "prax" - 0 results
>ctrl+ f "vamp" - 0 results
>ctrl+ f "watts" - 0 results
>...
>...
>ctrl+ f "shit" - 14 results

>> No.11172781

>>11172738
Why are we sucking space vampire dick so hard this month?

>> No.11172783

>>11172781
apparently we aren't in this thread

>> No.11172899

>>11172670
I wasn't being ironic. "We've naturally evolved along the one direction of civilizational progress to having one government per species and also no money or religion" isn't only boring SF, it's megagay.

>> No.11173027

This is now a gorean thread, what book series would make the best real life sex cult?

>> No.11173170

I actively avoid female authors, so I can't contribute to this thread I guess.

>> No.11173200 [SPOILER] 
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11173200

What are some 'good' scifi/fantasy books that you absolutely fucking detested (for whatever reason)?
I'll start:
>Gormenghast
>Cyteen
>Ender's Game
>The Dark Tower series (1-3 were good, everything else was shockingly bad)

>> No.11173219

>>11173200
>Dune
>Foundation Trilogy
>Neuromancer
To be fair, I did not detest any of them. But I did not like them.

>> No.11173237

>>11173200
Consider Phlebas. Hated hated hated that book. Here's some space adventures but don't you dare have fun or hope, and nothing mattered in the end.

>> No.11173246

>>11173219
Do you live in Cleveland? I have a friend who said almost the exact same words when I asked him how he felt about foundation.

>> No.11173251

>>11173200
Anything but Reynolds or Banks, god it was like reading Star Wars.

>> No.11173256

>>11172738
Kek I do this most threads too.
Blindsight activity is at an all-time low, but then it is summer. Watts is spooky-winter writing.

>> No.11173267

>>11173246
Nah, I live in Sweden.

>> No.11173358

>>11172683
>those eyes
I ain't clicking that shit

>> No.11173430

Which would be the better first philib k dick valis or ubik?

>> No.11173443

>>11172738
>>11173256
>tfw Blindsight have been on my to-read shelf for more than two years
Some day I'll read it Blindsight friends, some day.

>> No.11173469

>>11173430
Just read dadoes or High Castle like a normal person.

>> No.11173518

>>11173237
It may be the first Culture novel but I agree it's the worst. The whole shit-eating cult section is terrible.

>> No.11173577

>>11173430
Ubik is like a fever dream.

>> No.11173602
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>>11173518
>shit-eating cult
Tell me more

>> No.11173613

>>11172738
>ctrl+f "miev"
>ctrl+f "bas-"
>ctrl+f "perdi"
>ctrl+f "crob"
>0 results
Ye olde plebs

>> No.11173616

Wuxia > western fantasy garbage

>> No.11173631

>>11173616
any recs?

>> No.11173638

>>11173631
Cradle series

>> No.11173651

>>11173638
what's it about? the summary on goodreads is godawful

>> No.11173661

>>11173651
It's bout some weak loser becoming strong, in the style of wuxia/cultivation stories
Same as every other story like that.

I def recommend it, and hopefully he stops writing other series to focus on Cradle.

>> No.11173708

>>11173358
Wait till you hear her voice

>> No.11173721

>>11171695
I've read Red Mars and Pacific Edge and both were good, in very different ways. I definitely want to read more of his novels.

>>11173200
I don't detest books but IDGI:
Downbelow Station
Eye of the World
Gardens of the Moon

I guess they're too damn epic for me or something. I did like the first few books of ASOIAF

>> No.11173767

Prologues: good tool for setups or generally shit?

>> No.11173791

>>11173767
depends on what is written in them. its a good way to hint at antagonists in the first book in a series or a good way to catch up on what happened in previous books. the important thing is they should be short and concise.

>> No.11173796

>>11172417
Strange and Norell would have been better if not for all the "U.K. author waxes poetic about fucking London" stretches. London fucking sucks. I don't care about London. Tell the story.

>> No.11173819

>>11173767
keep them as small & irrelevant as possible because 90% of readers skip them

>> No.11173826

>>11173767
If it's story, that's fine but I hate history infodumps. Any background data would be better when integrated into the narrative itself.

>> No.11173836

>>11173767
A prologue written after the actual book/series is one of few cash grabs I actually like. Fans that actually want more world building and fleshing out may pay for it, the rest of the world can ignore it.

>> No.11174000

>>11173836
That's a "prequel"

A "prologue" is like "chapter 0"

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>>11174000
Oh fuck, right in the reading comprehension.

>> No.11174373

Is having creatures called fairies that basically act and look like demons more played out than calling things demons?

>> No.11174399

>>11174373
actually in most of fiction fairies are often depicted as cruel fucking bastards. its not really wrong to compare them with demons.

>> No.11174620

>>11173237
Bro I'm just here because the spaceships amuse mw

>> No.11174629

>>11173443
You're either going toove it or hate it. Personally I despised it when he went all 2deep4u and tried to make what he thought were extremely deep philosophical thought and ignored the space vampires instead

>> No.11174645

>>11174373
Yes it is rothfuss. Now shut up and finish your book so I can have some semblance shitty closure

>> No.11174677

>>11174645
I stopped reading 1/4 the way through Name of the Wind so I didn't even know he used it, too. Fuck.

>> No.11174729

>>11169506
UUuu I really liked 3-body problem and the following books
Anything else like it, where the author builds a world to tell a "simple" idea?
I just read fiction, need to read more science fiction. You could tell he used to be an engineer.

>> No.11174792

>>11174677
I actually can't remember if he does it but it sounded distinctly like some bullshit from the book

>> No.11174842

>>11172145
why would you rather watch those poor dogs suffer?

>> No.11174853

>>11173616
Is there any wuxia that's not poorly-written, poorly-translated self-insert power fantasy that drags on for 5000 chapters?

>> No.11174866

>>11171695
It's the best I've read by him by far

>> No.11174870

>>11171726
You won't like Lyonesse if you didn't find Dying Earth funny

>> No.11175029

>>11173200
Foundation

>> No.11175037

>>11173200
Mote In God's Eye

xenophobic allegories don't make for great genre fic

>> No.11175046

>>11175037
Yes they do, and have from the start.

>> No.11175108

>>11175046
Name a good one
if you name Mote In God's Eye you're dumb because that book is poorly written anyways

>> No.11175128

>>11175108
War of the Worlds

>> No.11175150

>>11175128
im gonna say that one's interesting because the "xeno" part is a strictly superior race over yuropeans
ill give it a pass

>> No.11175190

>>11175150
Oh I see. You're just a resentful mudbabby. Why don't you go back.

>> No.11175257

>>11169506
Looking for the name of a book where aliens see a human ship but because of time dilation the ship appears to stay still while the aliens become a more an advanced civilization. I think they refer to the humans as the slow ones or something similar. Can anyone help me out?

>> No.11175258

>>11175037
God you really are the very bottom of the barrel aren't you?

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>>11175037
>i don't like this book because its racist

Pic related; it's you

>> No.11175320

>>11175269
Disdain for racists/ism is as valid an aesthetic as any

>> No.11175339

>>11175320
It's a pleb tier aesthetic . You’re also using the word incorrectly you moron

>> No.11175359

>>11175320
>valid
>aesthetic

Ask me how I know you're a tumblr-tier faggot with garbage opinions. Fuck off.

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>>11175320
How the fuck is disliking the subtext of a book an aesthetic. I was almost rooting for you upthread, now you just deserve to be mocked.

>> No.11175419

>>11175269
He's right. Racism is vulgar, unthinking and viscerally disgusting.

>> No.11175424

>entire book is about understanding why an alien race is so destructive so we can help them
>racist

>> No.11175482

>>11175419
how so?

>> No.11175507

>>11175419
Am I racist for making sure my car is locked when I see a black person walk by?

>> No.11175514

>>11175507
Not if you would do that no matter who walked by

>> No.11175539

>>11175514
no I do it when I see blacks unless they're in a suit. As a group they're more likely to rob me than any other race

>> No.11175557

>>11175507
Yes

>> No.11175559

>>11175419
"racism" is just a fancy word for xenophobia.
its completely natural and has its uses.
its a warning mechanism that triggers and instinct in us that prevents us from making stupid decisions when interacting with others that arent close to us or have a different culture.
as long as humans feel and have instincts "racism" will never ever go away.

>> No.11175561

>>list 5 good sff women authors
C.L. Moore
Leigh Brackett
Ursula K. Le Guin
James Tiptree, Jr
Nicola Griffith
>>last sff book with a female protagonist
Rite of Passage by Alexi Panshin
>>last sff book with a female protagonist
Beauty by Sheri S. Tepper

>> No.11175565

>>11169857
>because they can't coast on shared identity the way male authors can
what does that mean?

>> No.11175570

>>11169849
You should only read the first two Hyperion books
The later stuff is completely unconnected

>> No.11175571

>>11175257
That sounds like an episode of Star Trek Voyager.

>> No.11175575

>>11170703
Her books good whats the problem?

>> No.11175577

>>11175557
Why? As group they're more likely to rob me. It only makes sense to take extra precautions when I see them

>> No.11175585

>>11171695
that's a better version of the Aurora than was in the English language covers
Nice one Ruskies
Robinson is good
That book takes a rather dark turn however

>> No.11175594

>>11172454
Mercedes Lackey maybe? Endless river of Baen books
So you pick a good image

>> No.11175610

>>11175565
All males share similar experiences and tribulations, if you were male you’d know this, roastie

>> No.11175617

>>11175610
women don't share similar experiences and tribulations?

>> No.11175755

>>11175409
All might lost his hair huh?

>> No.11175769

>>11175539
>>11175577
At least the rob you upfront. Look what those white collars did to your grandparents nest egg, and how they preyed on them to take out a reverse mortgage.

>> No.11175855

>>11175769
Actually thanks to the advice of white collar financial advisors my grandparents have a pension that pays for both of their lifetimes, social security utilized to the fullest, and IRAs and 401ks properly invested. They make more money in retirement from their guaranteed income, and income generated from their assets, than they did when while they worked.

>> No.11175968

>>11175617
Women are physically incapable of understanding concepts like comradery, brotherhood, and selflessness. Go find me a female version of band of brothers

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>>11175968
silly boys

>> No.11176047

>>11173602
Fat cannibal priest indoctrinates a bunch of island natives into pica, so they're all fucked from eating shit all day.
Protagonist gets captured and almost eaten alive by the priest.
It doesn't really add anything to the story other than a few chapters of disgusting shit.

>> No.11176052

>>11175968
If men coincidentally wear the same clothes, they become friends.
If women coincidentally wear the same clothes, they become enemies.
That is the underlying gender difference that informs all other differences.

>> No.11176055

>>11175559
Isn't it kinda uplifting to realize that deep down we're all racist? That is something that connects us all. We're all equal in our xenophobic ways. No matter the colour of your skin or the size of your nose, we all share this one thing that connects us in our hearts. And that's beautiful.

>> No.11176069

Just heard about Ken Liu, The paper menajey .
Is it actually that good?

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For fucks sake, would you idiots stop shitting up the thread by swallowing every race/gender bait, no matter how crude? Hide and ignore, it's like you faggots have been on 4chan for 2 months...

>> No.11176165

>>11176069
I thought it was awful, but I tend to find Asian writers soulless and insufferable. They tend to write in this nervous, feminine, manicured MFA prose style that might be perfect for this faggy era but is just torture for me personally.

>> No.11176198

>>11176140
I just want good books. Don't care were from.

>> No.11176285

Been trying to find this book I read in the army 2. years ago, if anyone recognizes my description of it I'd be forever in your debt.

Non-spoiler description:

It was a dystopian futuristic setting, the main character was a Finnish slave boy (I think his name might have been Finn or something similar but I'm not sure) who was raised by a tramp/hobo who bought him from an auction for a single coin. The hobo raised him to be a good man, skilled in many trades but shit went down in their city and the boy ended up joining a merchant ship (or something like that) and makes his way to Earth as he finds out his real family lives there.

Spoiler description:

The hobo was some kind of a legend in space who someway helped a big faction to get into power. The faction people upon finding out this boy was adopted by him became very heplful towards Finn/whatever his name was and often quoted the line "Debts must be paid", referring to how theyre forever in the hobos debt. The kid reaches Earth after becoming a high ranked officer on the ship and finds out his real family are billionaires. The novel becomes a legal-drama as the boy attempts to gain control of his familys wealth as his real parents have died and his aunt/uncle is attempting to get ownership of their business. The book has a very rushed and poor ending

>> No.11176422

>>11176285
Citizen of the Galaxy. Really fun stuff, I read it two or three times when I was younger. Looking forward to my next Heinlein juvenilia kick.

>> No.11176490

How come no one's mentioned Robin Hobb yet? She's great.

>> No.11176535

>>11176422
I love you.

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>>11176490
Sarah J Maas is the modern Robin Hobb

>> No.11176633

>>11173200
>The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
>Ready player one

Oh boy, pray I will never be cucked by 'cult following' again.

>> No.11176689

Is Harry Dresden the worst Mage in the History of Mages? Hes telling me how great, smart and strong he is, cause he got more training and whatnot than other mages...

...then gets beat upt by ordinary thugs, not once, but twice in the first book...

What an asshat. And here i thougt kvothe was the biggest /sffg/ pussy...

>> No.11176692

>>11176596
you know there's like seven of these books, right my man? you should update your image

>> No.11176696

>>11176596
Oh look it's the SJM shill from last thread

>> No.11176719

>>11176689
that's the joke.
In kingkiller chronicles too. Kvothe is an incompetent dick, but he narrates the story, so he makes it fit.

>> No.11176780

>>11175968
>comradery, brotherhood, and selflessness
The first two I'll agree with but women can be selfless as well. Unless you mean selflessness in the context of brotherhood and comradery in which case there's no argument

>> No.11176789

>>11176719
>In kingkiller chronicles too. Kvothe is an incompetent dick
But is that intentional or is Rothfuss just that self absorbed? The world may never know

>> No.11177001

>>11175610
>retarded /r9k/ incel undergoes experiences
Here's your (You) """""bro"""""

>> No.11177028

>>11176696
You mean from the last 10 threads

>> No.11177036

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/coming-out-as-a-slytherin/

>It's Pride month, but I have a slightly different story of coming out to tell you. This is the story of how I became a Slytherin. More precisely, it's about how I discovered I already was a Slytherin and how internalized Slytherphobia had me in denial until I found my people.

Okay, /sffg/. Somebody show me the schematics for the most likely to work proposed FTL technique so far. I need to build a spaceship and get far away from here.

>> No.11177037

>>11177028
If he posts again the mods will get involved.

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>fucks his own grandmother

>> No.11177056

>>11177053
>now notices this
>was a meme since before sffg started

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>>11177036
>I guess you could say it was the Potter fandom equivalent of being woke.
>His son's angst about being Sorted basically boils down to "Daddy, what if I'm in Slytherin?" Try replacing that with "Daddy, what if I'm queer?" Harry has the good-parent response: we'll still love you. But society won't.
>By the time book seven had come out, I had spent two years learning to recognize anti-Slytherin bias [...]
>that comment section

>> No.11177116

>>11177107
Shitposting aside, I find it kinda sad how slytherin is just "The bad guys". That's the laziest excuse to have unquestionably "evil" antagonists in a school setting.

>> No.11177127

>>11177116
Godric Gryffindor wanted to give them their own school but Salazar Slytherin convinced him this would ruin the plot of the books.

>> No.11177130

>>11176596
>modern Robin Hobb
>Robin Hobb is already modern
what did he mean by this

>> No.11177171

>“Fan fiction is a good way for people to learn to be writers.” No. It isn’t. If this is true, then karaoke is the path to become a singer, coloring books produce great artists, and all great chefs have a shelf of cake mixes. Fan fiction is a good way to avoid learning how to be a writer. Fan fiction allows the writer to pretend to be creating a story, while using someone else’s world, characters, and plot. Coloring Barbie’s hair green in a coloring book is not a great act of creativity. Neither is putting lipstick on Ken. Fan fiction does exactly those kinds of things.

is there any author as fuckin based as robin hobb?
also are any of her books worth reading? i only know her books because every time i see them on the shelf GRRM's name is bigger than hers and his review is "this is what fantasy should be" on every single one

>> No.11177215

>>11177171
They are pretty slow-moving, but the overall focus is on the characters, so that's not really a problem. The whole Elderlings Cycle is very interesting lore-wise as well.

>> No.11177217

>>11177171
Lots of painters imitate the masters when they're starting out, and learn style and similar from them. Most musicians don't start out writing their own songs.

I don't think the writing equivalent is fanfiction, but what IS the writing equivalent to learning by example?

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>>11177036

>> No.11177231

>>11175968
are you saying they can't share similar experiences and tribulations
or are you saying they cant even share similar experiences and tribulations with other women??

>> No.11177236

>>11177215
>the overall focus is on the characters
that's fine

>>11177217
i copy other people's art a bunch to pick up tips
after i read a book, my writing sounds a lot like that author's writing for a little while
i'm sure musical influences work the same way
none of that is writing about draco malfoy, draco malfoy in particular, fucking harry potter, harry potter in particular, in the butt

>> No.11177238

>>11176596
I'm surprised Michael Moorcock hasn't sued her, that's plainly Elric

>> No.11177245

>>11177036
faster than light is impossible
you could achieve 10-12% of the speed of light with nuclear pulse propulsion or laser propulsion
this way your generation ship would only take a few centuries to get to solar systems with a few dozen lightyears of earth and not millenia

>> No.11177254

>>11177116
You'd almost think it was a childrens book or something

>> No.11177272

>>11177225
Don't tell the aliens

>> No.11177297

>>11177036
You can get pretty far if you get /fit/, buddy.

The comment section is pretty gold though. Glad to see at least a few people calling bullshit on this.

>> No.11177337

What's your favorite Harry Potter series?

I've read vanilla potter by Rowling, cuckpotter by rothfuss and now I was reading an amateur HP series, the broken prism by nobody really, but I got tired of it. It's basically vanilla potter with a twist, where harry potter is the son of voldemort. It's really too childish to satisfy me for very long, I keep thinking the plot will grow up as the character starts getting older, but I keep being wrong. I am starting to think the Harry Potter genre is terrible by default. The one I read where adult themes are part of the plot is horrible and gets sidetracked from the cool plot line with the cool bad guys by irrelevant things (like getting cucked).

Any body got any other harry potter series to prove me wrong?

>> No.11177351

>>11177337
book of the new harry potter is pretty good
there aren't too many spells and the ron and hermione characters keep changing names & faces but harry does get a sword and doesn't get cucked until the 5th book

>> No.11177364

>>11176789
It’s intentional. He’s trying to copy gene wolfe but isn’t anywhere near as good of a writer to do it successfully

>> No.11177366 [DELETED] 

>>11177337
The Methods of Rationality was reasonably entertaining until it got annoying and the author started living full-time up his own ass.

>> No.11177391

Has anyone read the galaxy's edge series? I've just finished the first book and wanted to know if continuing would be worth it.

>> No.11177408

>>11177351
Yes, it keeps being recommended here. I took a look at it a while ago but the first few pages were way too abstract for me as a fan of the harry potter genre to make any sense of it at first and gave up pretty early. I'll try again soon.

>>11177366
I don't know mane, I understand that author's respect to the genre but I prefer when the authors actually bother to pretend they are writing something new, so I like when they at least change Harry's name. Or else it feels like you are reading fanfiction, right, and who the hell read that?

>> No.11177565

>>11177337
im thinking of reading nuttall potter. mite b cool but i dont know if a female protagonists is such a good idea. anynone read nuttall potter? is it any good? from what i understand its more of an isekai deal.

>> No.11177581

>>11177337
I liked Earthsea Potter, it's basically Harry Potter on islands but with Rothfuss magic, and Harry summons a dementor and has to chase it in a sailboat.

>> No.11177615

>>11177581
Yes, I read that one also. It was good but way too narrative for me, if that makes any sense. I like a little more dialog as it is, and not "I told him this and he answered me that, then we traveled all over the world and he died in my hands". Are all of Le Guin's books like that?

>> No.11177797

>>11172266
Brandon Sanderson

>> No.11177852

>have a cool story idea
>no character ideas
this is how self inserts happen, isn't it

>> No.11177879

>>11175769
You're right, those Jews are way bigger criminals than niggers but nobody wants to admit it.

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>>11170731
Nice. Give your favourite titles from each, please.

>>11170753
You like Atwood except for Handmaid's Tale? Why?

>>11170821
It's graduated into a full fledged insult. Like calling immature people 14 year olds. Priests are mentally 14 their whole lives.

>>11171079
The question is too vague, but balance of the individual and the communal is always what is needed. Goldman learned from both Stirner and Kropotkin.

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>>11171734
Just read that. I'm hooked. Very schlocky fun

>>11172034
That was his point, I believe

>> No.11177906

>>11177852
Just steal an archetype. Make them all K-Ons. Mix and match character traits. Character ideas are easy.

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>>11177852
Read some books with good characters. Russian novels for instance.

Movies too

>> No.11177948

>>11176052
>he doesn’t know about sad teenage girls bonding over Doctor who and Supernatural t shirts

>> No.11177961

>>11173767
just start the story you fag

>> No.11178309

>>11177961
If I can't make me you can't make me
(Was asking because I have one part written but don't know if I should use it as an intro or just a middle chapter to work up to)

>> No.11178325

>>11177852
How can you have a story idea with no characters? How do you have a story without characters? Is it just a really long description of a setting?

>> No.11178332

>>11177948
But haven't you seen how quickly they turn on each other when one has a differing opinion?

>> No.11178394

>>11178332
i have. women, especially teenage girls and 20 somethings are fucking terrifying.

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>>11169506
Is The Blue Sword actually good or is it YA trash?

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>>11176719
Kvothe is cuck

>> No.11178649

>>11178325
well, i have characters, but they're the antagonists
i don't know anything about the main character other than how he needs to interact with the antagonists
having him be some tabula rasa bullshit and writing from the POV of the antagonists doesn't seem fun

>> No.11178657

>>11173443
>>11172738
>>11173256
>Blindsight
I read it less than year ago and remember literally nothing about it, yet i remember most plot detail from shitty books i read 5 years ago.
What does that mean?

Why do some sf books seem so forgettable.

>> No.11178667

>>11169693
Somehow, this book reads like a point and click adventure game.
Also is the giant black woman literally just fetish fuel? Is that where this plot is going?

>> No.11178677

>>11176689
>Is Harry Dresden the worst Mage in the History of Mages? Hes telling me how great, smart and strong he is, cause he got more training and whatnot than other mages...
>...then gets beat upt by ordinary thugs, not once, but twice in the first book...
>What an asshat. And here i thougt kvothe was the biggest /sffg/ pussy...

You think thats fucking bad?
I read the whole fucking series, near book 15 or so hes theoretically one of the most powerful beings alive, in practice hes even more useless and stupid than at the start of the series.
The series lore and characterization is nonsensical, and Dresdens intelligence and power will vary form one book to another depending on the need.

Overall the series gets ran into the ground, Jim Butcher actually kills him in one book, only to have him become a ghost detective in another and start end of the world only then to say "fuck it" and retcon him back to life and his usual gig in the next one like nothing happened. People dont even seem to care.

>> No.11178680

Other than Solaris and The Cyberiad, what's the essential Lem?

>> No.11178706

>>11172454
>Give me your worst female fantasy author /lilt/.
Sarah J. Maas by a fucking mile for me

Also just read Throne of glass series, not the worst fantasy i read but its up there next to Eragon and all the other crap Paolini produced
Fucking Maas makes Rowling seem like a mature and intelligent writer

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>> No.11178736

>>11178706
Yeah it's a terrible series, fuck knows why some idiot keeps shilling it here.

>> No.11178737

>>11178736
Thrill of (you)s

>> No.11178845

>>11177887
Priests are volcels though

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>>11178708
I agree with her. Really good read.

>> No.11178909

>>11178708
yeah it's great

>> No.11178922

>>11178706
>by a mile

>not the worst

idiot

>> No.11178932

>>11171264
I enjoyed the Time Traders. The second one was pretty good too. After that the mystery and novelty of it was lost and there was just too much silliness like sentient coyotes with telepathic bonds, fish people and magical wizard ladies.
The first ones felt more grounded but if you like wacky magical fantasy with your sci-fi you might like the later ones.

>> No.11178946

>>11178922
>worst female writer by a mile
>not as bad a Chris Paloni
Brainlet

>> No.11178975

>>11178602
It's good.

>> No.11178979

>>11178946
>female
incel detected

>> No.11178993

>>11178922
He asked for female writers you tard

>> No.11179003

>>11178979
The thread title says “female writers”. Everyone else in the thread, a thread used by about one hundred posters, so probably a few women, has used the word female.

Even if you’re joking, why single me out?

>> No.11179025

>>11179003
>thread title
You're even dumber than you first seemed.

Female in an incel word.

>> No.11179042

>>11179025
The criticism is of using "female" as a noun when you mean women, not of using female as an adjective.

>> No.11179046

>>11179042
I don't even know what that means.

>> No.11179054

>>11178736
Probably trolling, same as recommendations for Patrick Rothfuss and other below mediocre to awful books.

Biggest problem is that she writes like shes 15, you could excuse it for the first book, she couldnt have been older than 18 when she planned it out, but the later titles?
Shes clearly a spoiled chick living a comfortable first world upper class life not having to work manually a single day in her life writing about political intrigue and assassins, she lacks any life experience, so instead she always falls back on teen romance, love triangles and pedobaiting sweeping the plot under the rug relying on time skips and post event exposition.

Then again it seems what her fans love as seen by the ridiculous 4,3 to 4,7 goodreads rating.
Who will she sleep with next? Oh the suspense.

>> No.11179080

>>11179042
>>11179025
>female is an incel word
What is male then, a terf word?

>> No.11179226

this thread is full blown aids because of op

but ill say a good female author is suzanne collins because I remember reading gregor the overlander as a kid and enjoying it. Not sure if I actually finished the series

>> No.11179249

>>11179042
You don't like it when people refer to women as females? Like:

>This female comes up to me...

>> No.11179251

>>11179226
Hopefully next thread will be better, if we talk about sf&f instead of the gender of the authors. You know, based on if the book is good or not.

>> No.11179254

>>11179025
how is it an incel word if blaqs use it? are there even blaq incels?

>> No.11179255

>>11179251
>judging things on merit
No.

>> No.11179262

>>11179226
I like the fact it triggered certain people.

>> No.11179267

>>11179262
You don't fight cancer with more cancer mate

>> No.11179277

>>11179267
Actually you can, just ask /sci/. But that's a completely different discussion.

>> No.11179325

>>11177887
than'ks
>favourite titles from each
The Night Circus - Morgenstern
Wizard of Earthsea - LeGuin
Synners - Cadigan
Hild - Griffith
The Dark is Rising - Cooper

I will try the Zamyatin book.

>>11170749
than'ks

>> No.11179337

>>11178706
>It's up there with eragon
>It's up there
>Up there
Eragon isn't up anywhere retard. Shits bottom barrel

>> No.11179362

>>11179337
imagine having your main character lusting for elf pussy for 4 books just to not let him get it

>> No.11179363

>>11177887
Not him but handmaid's tale has kinda gotten ruined since the election, added in with a pleb tier show it's became beyond saving. My favorite part is crazy purple haired fucks bastardizing her work

>> No.11179367

>>11179362
Oh shit, i forgot it ends with him having blue balls
That shit was fucking hilarious, like final "fuck you" to the readers

>> No.11179371

>>11179362
Didnt he even go full beta and turn himself into an elf

>> No.11179379

Novum
>>11179375
>>11179375
>>11179375

>> No.11179434

>>11176596
Robin Hobb is the modern Robin Hobb you retard.

>> No.11179466

Does /lit/ like edgy stories set in dark fantasy worlds?

>> No.11179851

>>11179363
Yeah but what does that have to do with whether the actual book is good or not.

>> No.11180454

>>11172454
Don't tell me that man, I've been needing something new to read and that was gonna be my next hit.