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What is the difference between believing in God and knowing God?
I've seen God work thru me and others and I believe I know he exists but how can I know this to be true when the human mind is fallible?

>> No.11156808

Mistic experience.
Fast seclusion and prayer/meditation.

>> No.11156818

>I've seen God work thru me and others and I believe I know he exists
go on . . .

>> No.11156849

>>11156808
False. You can only believe in God by knowing God, and you can only know God by believing in him. To truly know something is to live as though it is not only indisputable, but beyond question. To do that, is to abandon reason and live by faith. To believe in God is to live as though God is the organizing principle of your life. To put any other virtue or principle first in your life is to deny the supremacy of God. To organize your life by any other principle is to place that principle in the throne of God. True knowing and true belief are one in the same, in that truly believing in God is to place him at the center of all knowledge. It is to know everything else via the knowledge of God. The difference is that one knows by believing, by acting as though it's true, and one believes by knowing, by holding it as true.

>> No.11156888

>>11156798
Christ cucks GTFO

>> No.11156911

>>11156888
no

>> No.11156933

God is unknowable in his essence but knowable in his energies. As John of Damascus said, God does not show forth his nature but the things that relate to His nature.

>> No.11156940

>>11156798
Believing in God is to believe in the existence of transcendent principles that govern humanity each of which holding within themselves some kind of divine providence

You can never "know" God, you can only hold a personal interpretation, of which there are infinite, never conflate believing and knowing like >>11156849, by doing that you are literally putting yourself in the position of God

>> No.11156951

>>11156798
> I've seen God work thru me and others
Mentally ill.

> and I believe I know he exists
Believe whatever you wish, he still doesn't exist.

> how can I know this to be true when the human mind is fallible
Faith is belief in the absence of facts; you don't *need* to know any of this at all.

>> No.11156958

>>11156798
Didn’t Hegel talk about how god being kinda man made and doesn’t exist as to exist is to limit him to existence or some confusing shit like that?
You can think about us creating god as a way to explain our lapse of reason in the past for like earthquakes and stuff.

>> No.11157013

>>11156940
It is you who conflates. There are many kinds of knowing. You say know, but mean understand in full. That is clearly not this specific question, nor is it how questions of this kind are typically discussed. To know in this sense, as I have used it, is simply to know in the sense of having awareness of. You speak of heresy, and presumption, and yet you delimit God. You place on his throne the work of his angels. You strip God of his supremacy.

>> No.11157016

>>11156798

This will probably be the closest you'll ever be able to get.

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>> No.11157024

>>11157016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00jbzI4bcUw

>> No.11157042

>>11156849
Yea this is a good answer. I was thinking on how to get closer to God.

>> No.11157118

>>11156798
That's why you need faith and to totally submit to Jesus.

That's also why I'm not a Christian, because you can justify any belief with that kind of thinking.

>> No.11157152

>>11157118
That's why Pascal's wager is quite the paradox.

>> No.11158507

>>11156798
>>>/x/

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>> No.11158839

>>11156798
>the human mind is fallible

Indeed. Therefore any chain of reasoning by which you think you could know would be just as fallible as the interpretation of the experience[s] itself [themselves] - basic Kantian problem.

Likewise, there are always non-Christian esoteric interpretations of your experiences which have their own rational consistency. Ultimately, you have to choose what you believe about your own experiences. We who believe know without faith it is impossible to please Him. There will never be a relationship with God that does not require it. By faith the Patriarchs gained His favor, and by faith we shall be redeemed.

Hold fast to your faith, and do not waste your time searching for anything but Him. If you dive headfirst into your search for Him - giving your whole heart - you will reach a place where doubt will seem as ludicrous as it, in fact, is.

>> No.11158852

>>11156888
No thanks, but come on in. Stay awhile.