What happens after Death?

[Anonymous No.11144387]

[Anonymous No.11144392]

Nothing. But we still have a chance to escape death:
https://discord.gg/ftSbffu

[Anonymous No.11144404]

>>11144392
>Nothing.
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.11144410]

We become Wendy’s patties.

[Anonymous No.11144422]

>>11144387
Death is the scariest thing imaginable. It feels crazy that society deals with it through distractions (celebrities, fashion, tv and movies, etc.) which in the grand scheme of things are so unimportant. Even in fictional novels/tv/movies death often feels like it’s just occurs as a gimmic to shock you because now the story has changed, rather than actually remind you that YOU will die.
I sit at my desk studying for uni, reading about all the diseases and conditions that one might get during their life (or be born with) and I feel scared because I know, one of these days, one of those complications will happen to me, and will kill me.
It’s so frightening to me and I don’t understand how people can act like death will never catch them.

Anyway, any books to make me feel better about living?

[Anonymous No.11144433]

>>11144422
I don't know, I just think "Yeah I'm gonna die, time to get on with stuff." It's going to happen whether I worry about it or not, so there's no point fixating on it. But a memento mori now and then is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11144443]

>>11144387
The party goes on without you.

[Anonymous No.11144454]

>>11144433
Doesn't it bother you knowing that you will die not knowing what brought you here in the first place?

[Anonymous No.11144479]

>>11144387
The real adventure begins

[Anonymous No.11144491]

>>11144387
I believe you shed consciousness, memories and pain to become the single cell of a giant, amorphous entity (god), comprised of every dead (person/animal/whatever). You experience mindless warmth for eternity as a part of a giant, metaphysical slime mold. I can't wait.

[Anonymous No.11144498]

>>11144454
I have a decent idea of what brought me here back to the big bang, nobody really knows what was before that but I've read some popular-level science books about it. I'm also reading about world religions. So no, I'm not bothered, if the greatest minds in physics don't know, and the great religious traditions disagree on it, a joe shmoe like me shouldn't be expected to have all the answers. That would be the case whether I was bothered about it or not, so I focus on disengaging from those useless thoughts and apply myself to other stuff.

[Anonymous No.11144501]

>>11144491
A slime mould is relatively complex, I'm thinking more like a colossal virus.

[Anonymous No.11144504]

>>11144498
This
#https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rru5jRWqj0c&t=60s

[Anonymous No.11144507]

>>11144498
>I have a decent idea of what brought me here back to the big bang
That's a how not a why.
>if the greatest minds in physics don't know
That doesn't say much, really. They live by basically rejecting these questions completely and appealing only to naturalism.
>That would be the case whether I was bothered about it or not, so I focus on disengaging from those useless thoughts and apply myself to other stuff.
So rather than thinking about what's most important, you'd rather do meaningless crap? Well, alright.

[Anonymous No.11144559]

I have a pet theory, which I take without conviction but more as a thought exercise.

Start with the idea that all objects possess a certain amount of "consciousness", a sensation of being as they are. A table might have all the sensations of being a table, a rock of being a rock, and so on. This is neither verifiable nor unverifiable, unless consciousness is restricted to sense organs specifically possessed by humans, and to reactions specifically possessed by humans. An extreme case of the negation of such a theory is those pedantic pseuds who try to argue that lobsters don't "really" feel pain when being boiled, they are "merely" a bundle of nerves reacting to stimuli and so on. Since all of this is at heart unfalsifiable, it should be considered as a way of enchanting the world around you, and as a thought experiment with interesting implications, not as a "scientific" theory.

Moving on to death, we need to ask ourselves what the implications of this omnipresent and fragmented spirit of existing in the world might be. There are, as I have observed, two main theories concerning the afterlife: the first, that the spirit moves on to some "other" plane of existence, for which the material world was simply a preparation. The second, that all consciousness stops, the ego dies, an infinity of nothingness overwhelms the finiteness of being and everything dissolves into the universe. The first presupposes a reality existing beyond our material one. The second does the same, then negates it. Neither of them however suppose a continuation of material consciousness existing in the body.

Imagine this: you die. Your brain cells die en mass, with it, your ability to move, to breathe, to laugh, to cry, to remember, to think, to distract yourself, to place the fragments of sensations into some sort of narrative. It's all frozen in one inanimate mass, you're stuck there as you died. Your ears continue to experience sound, until they've rotted away, but they don't communicate those sensations to the brain. Your flesh feels the cold of the world around it, but no longer has blood to warm it. Every corner of your body is experiencing itself rotting away. You lie there with your eyes open, unable to move them, watching the world move around you, being completely unable to interact with it. Again, your eyes no longer communicate to the brain, and everything is sound and images without reason. Your stomach rots away. Perhaps you feel hunger, but you can no longer satiate it. Your tongue and eyeballs dry up, perhaps you are thirsty, but you cannot drink. You cannot scream or cry. You simply are, a sack of flesh rotting away in whatever corner of the world you happened to fall.

Months pass, your flesh is eaten by worms and maggots, it turns to dirt and you experience all of this. Eventually you are bones and dirt, then roots, then plants, then not even bones. You cease to exist, physically now. You haven't died so much as you've been devoured by life.

[Anonymous No.11144562]

Ya shit all over yourself

[Anonymous No.11144566]

>>11144387
nothing

[Anonymous No.11144576]

>>11144387
You eventually come back as an energy being in the next Yuga or someshit. Don't upload yourself into VR, that's the real trap, the abyss from Revelation. The next age will be paved with the souls of the computer-damned.

[Anonymous No.11144577]

eternal peace

[Anonymous No.11144580]

>>11144559
The point of this is that it presents a very tangible and materialistic idea of the trails that you might have to face after death. Every religion speaks of this, but its largely ignored until the very end of life.

To say that existence simply ceases isn't inherently more rational than any other idea, but it is very optimistic. It assumes a negation not only of life, but of anxiety for what comes after life.

Maybe death is a trial. Maybe life is. After all, it will take a remarkable will to go through the process I've described peacefully. To conquer boredom, fear, ego, pain, hunger, thirst, desire, and so on. Not to appease some spiritual point system which demands such aestheticism, but because in the face of such a possibility, of years of rotting away, it is our only option if we wish to survive our death.

[Anonymous No.11144612]

>>11144507
Are you retarded? He said he wants do devote his time to useful things not to irrational feara of death.
If anythung we should be scared of life. "Death" is the opposite of life thus it is the state we come from originally and the one we go to again. So life is the unknown exception to the regular state of being. Life is full of suffering and tragedy so death presumably, as it's opposite, is free of these things. Even if it is nothing like we could imagine death remains a fascinating mystery that i wan't to experience for myself rather than something I want to frantically avoid and obsess over.
The anon you replied to is very based since he recognizes his cognitive control over his emotions and the need to organize his thinking in a rational fashion.
Look up REBT

[Anonymous No.11144625]

>>11144387
Your specific consciousness is an inherited trait that will manifest in your future descendants.
This is why it's important to have kids firstly and secondly, make sure you have total control over how they are raised. You wouldn't let them "go off and do their own thing" if you knew they had the responsibility of ensuring your eventual rebirth 150 years or more down the line.
This is why mate selection must be done carefully. Be very careful with having bastards and donating to sperm bank donations. At least you have some control over the process if you are deliberate enough while raising your progeny.

[Anonymous No.11144647]

>>11144422
The Worm at The Core

Deal with death. As Schopenhauer said, when you realise the meaningless of your life you won't care about the meaningless of your death.

[Anonymous No.11144659]

>>11144387
why do you care? you will never know either way, and if you will know then you will know

[Anonymous No.11144699]

>>11144659
I care because I care, it passes my mind, I don't indulge in it too much.

[Anonymous No.11144717]

>>11144387
Absolutely nothing.
People talking about afterlife, rebirth, whatever are just deluding themselves.
Wishful thinking.
The older people get, the more attractive these illusions become.
A form of escapism.

[Anonymous No.11144734]

>>11144717
>Absolutely nothing
Step on a plug if you have no spiritual sense.

[Anonymous No.11144736]

>>11144422
>still being frightened of death

you'll grow out of it, probably
pain, mental suffering, death, disease - they're your friends, being scared of them is like being scared of the dark

once you see them, they're not that bad, but you can't shy away and close your eyes when you do
it's like learning to ride a bike, at first it's foreign and seemingly impossible, but then it becomes second nature and you find that there is nothing to it, it's hollow, empty inside, you've mastered what was there to master and you're the exact same as you were before
skip this step and just stop being afraid

[Anonymous No.11144745]

nothing. this is it.

[Anonymous No.11144753]

>>11144745
this is you

[Anonymous No.11144755]

>>11144753
wtf I believe in the afterlife now! Priest, two consacrated hosts and a cup of wine, please.

[Anonymous No.11144766]

>>11144734
>>11144753
I once was like you.
Then, I realized that any system that promises afterlife is just trying to use your own, natural fear of death to its own advantage.

[Anonymous No.11144773]

>>11144766
we've got a rick and morty fan over here boys

[Anonymous No.11144778]

Depends on how you die.
If your brain gets blown the fucked out, or crushed, etc. Then there's nothing.
But if you die slowly then your brain has time to transport you.

[Anonymous No.11144780]

>>11144773
Nope, the show panders to an entirely different audience.
That you draw this conclusion says a lot more about you than it does about me.

[Anonymous No.11144784]

Empirically? Decomposition of the body.

[Anonymous No.11144786]

>>11144780
>he takes a joke as a conclusion about his personality

I have bad news for you

[Anonymous No.11144791]

>>11144784
Lenin disproves this.

[Cricco !74zSfpXY46 No.11144792]

>>11144392
>>11144566
>>11144717
>>11144745
I bet you watch rick and morty you fedora tips

[Anonymous No.11144793]

daily reminder that Death wants you to pay reparations for niggers

[Anonymous No.11144794]

>>11144766
Any system that promises no afterlife is trying to use your fear of being judged to its own advantage.

[Anonymous No.11144795]

>>11144792
epic rick and morty joke. wanna hear another funny one? i beat they wear fedoras too haha

[Anonymous No.11144797]

>>11144791
how ?

[Anonymous No.11144802]

>>11144797
like this

[Anonymous No.11144805]

>>11144612
>He said he wants do devote his time to useful things not to irrational feara of death.
We weren't talking about irrational fear of death, we were talking about whether or not it's worthwhile contemplating why we're here.
>"Death" is the opposite of life thus it is the state we come from originally and the one we go to again.
It's not, though, because you're conscious of your own death. It's death not unbecoming.
>Life is full of suffering and tragedy so death presumably, as it's opposite, is free of these things.
Makes no sense. We've yet to establish the purpose of suffering or tragedy, so it could be that it's a NET positive.
> i wan't to experience for myself rather than something I want to frantically avoid and obsess over
Except that by that point you've basically wasted your life doing consumerist crap and not engaged with anything worthwhile at all. You sound like those people that say they're highly reverential of God, but they'll make peace with Jesus on their deathbed after a lifetime of being totally evil.
>cognitive control over his emotions
I'd say it takes a lot more control to put aside petty things on focus on the big picture.
>organize his thinking in a rational fashion.
Ignoring that you don't know anything about existence at all or its purpose isn't rational.

[Anonymous No.11144810]

>>11144805
>Except that by that point you've basically wasted your life doing consumerist crap and not engaged with anything worthwhile at all.
like arguing on 4chan for example

[Anonymous No.11144813]

>>11144810
shitposting is a art though

[Anonymous No.11144823]

>>11144734
>spiritual sense
what does this even mean? that you occasionally sprinkle words like 'soul' and 'spirit' into your philosophical answers to questions like OPs?

[Anonymous No.11144828]

>>11144813
memes and jokes aside, I don't think that recognizing your own limits invariably needs to "wasting your life doing consumerist crap"

[Anonymous No.11144829]

>>11144813
>a art

it's "an" retard

[Anonymous No.11144908]

>>11144387
you just stop

[Anonymous No.11144974]

>>11144792
imagine believing in god purely out of contrarianism.

[Anonymous No.11145098]

>>11144974
isn't that the most common reason for atheism though

[Anonymous No.11145117]

you faggots trying to have a discussion about death, yet nobody even talked about the difference between god and religion.

[Anonymous No.11145120]

>>11145098
No, they're atheists because they don't believe in God.

[Anonymous No.11145128]

>>11145120
they don't believe in God because they're contrarian though

[Anonymous No.11145145]

>>11145128
>what are original ideas

[Anonymous No.11145150]

>>11145128
you shitpost because your a contrarian

[Anonymous No.11145157]

>>11145128
because your best argument for god is
>tips fedora

[Anonymous No.11145158]

>>11145145
what original ideas

original 99 times out of a 100 also means bad though

>>11145150
it's "you're", but your original idea of spelling it "your" should be commended

[Anonymous No.11145182]

What happened before you were born?

[Anonymous No.11145185]

>>11144387
Old Faithful will pay you a visit!

[Anonymous No.11145187]

Whats so strange is that you can experience reality and time passing. Lets say i die. I guess everything about me will perish. But i wont experience time either so billions of years go unnoticed until i somehow experience reality again. Isnt that inevitable given the endless time?Of course the new reality experiencer wouldnt be related to the old one.

[Anonymous No.11145191]

>>11144404
>404

>>11144422
How can it be scary when you don´t even know what it´s like?

[Anonymous No.11145196]

>>11145187
>Isnt that inevitable given the endless time?

No. Infinity times zero is still zero probability of that happening.

[Anonymous No.11145201]

>>11144387
If I were able to wish it would be rebirth, for me that is an extremely comforting thought.

[Anonymous No.11145221]

Your brain goes through fits to fight the perception of death in your final seconds. If given enough time (dying of natural causes) your brain puts your body in a trancse like state before fully deteriorating.
Our perception of time is changed when we sleep, hours of actual time can feel like seconds, or years (depending on a type of dream). So thus in the last fits of fighting our brain makes us perceive "eternity". In this state our brain can go through whatever is in its memory or information banks.
This sort of can work into the idea of your life flashing before your eyes, as well as a sort of idea of your being resetting on death (not physically, but mentally to ease your brain to the idea of it ceasing to exist).
What is a few seconds in the physical time frame could be perceived as hundreds of years to your mental time frame.
After death all of it is gone.

[Anonymous No.11145230]

>>11145221
*tipping intensifies*

[Anonymous No.11145240]

>>11145230

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[Anonymous No.11145251]

>>11145240
not an argument, though

[Anonymous No.11145252]

>>11144387
We don’t know. And we will never find out. Why bother?

[Anonymous No.11145272]

>>11145221
>What is a few seconds in the physical time frame could be perceived as hundreds of years to your mental time frame
Yeah i would need a citation for this, usually you can percive time faster than it goes. But it seems to be impossible to slow down the perception of time.
So this is bullshit.
You just have a quick allucination, and then it is nothing.

[Anonymous No.11145277]

>>11145251
The fact that you believe in god, just because most atheist (in your mind) are obese teenage virgins, is not an argument for the existance of god.
If you have any arguments, then present them to us fag.

[Anonymous No.11145317]

>>11145221
>implying the mind has a magical property to stop time

As the brain deteriorates, the processes slow down instead of speeding up, meaning that your thoughts become slower - not faster which would be needed for extending time. Ultimately the brain is bound by physical laws, and to have "hundreds of years to your mental time frame" would require for your synapses to magically change from slow chemical processes to light speed electrical circuitry. The perception of time changes mostly happen after the fact anyway, when you reminisce and think back.

[Anonymous No.11145344]

>>11145196
but why did life ever come about then

[Anonymous No.11145360]

>>11145252
This attitude could be extended to everything.

We don't know if anything we hold to be true is actually true. And we can't know. Ultimately, science is never capable of proving anything, as it deals with probabilities and most likely solutions instead of absolute truths. The laws of time and space as we know them work only so far as our limited experimental knowledge is capable of demonstrating, we can't prove that they worked in the past, and we can only assume that they will continue to be unchanged as we move in time and space. And ultimately we are limited by our senses and brains, which themselves are part of the very thing we try to understand.

Why bother?

[Anonymous No.11145439]

>>11144387
The same thing that happened before you lived

[Anonymous No.11145481]

>>11144387
Though there is an 'after birth' there is no 'after death' --death has been figured as 'the longest day' because it never ends. This may or may not be a good thing; it may be indifferent.

[Anonymous No.11145504]

>>11145182
Ah...a comfy Alan Watts listener.

[Anonymous No.11145700]

/lit/ - literature
Religitards fuck off

[Anonymous No.11145725]

people die when they are killed

[Anonymous No.11145854]

>>11144491
I had a very intense very high dose psychedelic trip that was just like this. However, instead i was feeling the negative emotions of every human being in real time and it was the worst feeling anyone could imagine. It was just this big circle full of colors and emotions but no way of knowing what human life was other than the pure emotions. Maybe this was the hell version of what you are talking about? (heaven)

[Anonymous No.11145921]

>>11145854
possibly, but my concept precludes a hell. if you're just a happy, mindless cell, there's not much that can phase you, and there's no point in some kind of divine punishment if you have no consciousness.

Actually, my idea hit me while I was listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIWINsaEpnw
and the idea that when we die, we join the collective dead. even if no one knows we died, or cares, even if there's nothing left of us, we're still part of that collective. Even if god isn't real, y'know, there's at least what we used to be.

As someone whose had a terrible fear of losing my identity, this was really soothing. I feel a lot better about my inevitable death, now.

[Anonymous No.11146009]

>>11145921
lets both hope you are right, the power of music hey? Making us feel comfortable even with death. :) best luck brother

[Anonymous No.11146017]

>>11146009
Well, it's all we can do, right? Same to you, friend.

[Anonymous No.11146120]

>>11145725
if you die your enemies lose

[Anonymous No.11146128]

>>11145725
I won't die, even if I'm killed.

[Anonymous No.11146131]

>>11145439

Have to agree with old Shaup here

Constant cycle of death and rebirth but unlike the Vedanta doctrine, no possibility of Nirvana

[Anonymous No.11147406]

>>11144802
Slowing decomp does not stop it

[Anonymous No.11147443]

I don't know, but i think that's an issue we should worry about on our deathbed and not while we are still alive

[Anonymous No.11147480]

>>11147443
Or just not worry about it at all because there's no point in getting upset about something that is inevitable. Or I suppose you could dedicate every moment of your life trying to attain immortality through science and technology

[Anonymous No.11147620]

>>11147406
it's a joke, mr autismo