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do we think he was a pseud now? or still an utter shakespeare-tier genius? i see the consensus settling somewhere near ‘genius at being a pseud’ and more respect given to beckett. lets decide now so more people dont need to read fw and figure this out for themselves

>> No.11135196

he was a genius, no less. His works are extremely profound (concerning his goals, eg give the best possibly conceived picture of dublin in ulysses) and his techniques necessary to what he wanted to achieve. Read his works and read his quotes on them and you'll see.

>> No.11135222

>>11135140
>do we think he was a pseud now?
the absolute state of this board

>> No.11135511

>>11135222
the absolute of those digits
checked

>> No.11135517

>>11135196
What did he want to achieve then?

>> No.11135524

Who gives a fuck about the consensus? Just read his shit and judge his art by yourself maaan. Be somebody

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>>11135222
checked

>> No.11135593

>>11135517
immortality, for one; having people 100 years later arguing over what he meant by X or Y. As I said, read his quotes.

>> No.11135598

>>11135222
This, if you think he's a pseud, you let other people do the reading for you evidently...

>> No.11136843
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>>11135140
In a fight to the death, Beckett clearly came in second. No more thoughts needed, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY22jmHAS5E

>> No.11136866

Ulysses is perhaps the most vivid and human book ever written. The Wake is the most abominable piece of garbage ever imagined.
His other works are more of a normal writer if anything.

>> No.11136897

>>11136843
Beckett transcended Joyce by several steps.

>> No.11136936

He was a genius, but distracted himself with language games. He can put out beautiful prose, but he clearly wasn't interested in that. Wake was pure masturbation, but Ulysses was already partway up his own arse. Ulysses is still a great book, but nowhere near what it could have been if he'd been less focused on playing with words.

He achieved immortality, exactly as he wanted, but as a puzzle box rather than an author.

>> No.11136945

>>11136936
Name one author who has achieved immortality solely as an author

>> No.11136946

>>11135140
>or still an utter shakespeare-tier genius

Of course. I've never doubted him in this regard and have no idea how you could

>> No.11136967

>>11136936
>but nowhere near what it could have been if he'd been less focused on playing with words.
imagine being this fucking stupid

>> No.11136970 [DELETED] 

>>11136936
Herman Melville.

>> No.11136980

>>11136897
Beckett is a total fag.

>> No.11136985

>>11136945
Tom Clancy

>> No.11136994

>>11136945
Melville. There's an author remembered for what he wrote, rather than how he wrote it.

>>11136967
Ulysses but written with the clarity of The Dead.

>> No.11137078

>>11135140
If Joyce is a pseud I doubt there's been a single genuine patrician in modern history.

>> No.11137083

>>11137078
Flaubert

>> No.11137087

>>11135140
I think that people are starting to be a lot less kind to his incomprehensible stuff than before, but the consensus that Ulysses is a masterpiece hasnt shown any sign of giving way.

>> No.11137362

>>11136994
>remembered for what he wrote, rather than how he wrote it.
>melville
>moby fucking dick

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.11137370

>>11136866
You should read those books before you state your opinions

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>>11137083
Bet a shilling everyone disagrees

>> No.11137431

>>11137370
And I did, well, not The Wake. I loved Ulysses from the very first page. Getting into Bloom's, Stephen's and Molly's minds is something every reader must enjoy, or at least should at least try to endure.

I tryed, I really tryed The Wake, I even got the translation to Spanish, my native language, and it just fucked me.

>> No.11137435

>>11135140
Joyce is the happy hunting ground of all pseuds that have lost their balance.

>> No.11137486

Joyce was a genius, but you don't appreciate him. That's OK.

>> No.11137494

>>11137435
kek

>> No.11137502

>>11137431
how the fuck does a translation of finnegans wake even work

>> No.11137509

>>11137078
Well Patricians were a class in the Roman republic so...

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>>11137502

It's supposed to approach the text to a similar language, and it does... Now I can read two pages.

>> No.11137522

>>11137435
Typecasting readership is a pseud red flag, in my eyes. It indicates that you're more concerned with status than genuine discourse.

>> No.11137540

Joyce was a genius but a lot of Ulysses is a cop out.
>Hey here's another obscure reference. Not an expert on 13th century medieval philosophy? Heh tough luck kid.
It's basically just a laundry list of him showing off, trying to one up himself in how obscure of a reference he can put in the book.

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>>11137522
Its a reworking of a Joyce quote. It appears you sir have outed yourself as a pseud!

>> No.11137615

>>11135140
He's a pseud solely because people on this board like him.

>> No.11137625

>>11137615
Does /lit/ like Joyce because he's a pseud or is Joyce a pseud because /lit/ likes him?

>> No.11137633

the name dropping pseud is gaddis. joyce is a god compared to that type of american

>> No.11137635

>>11137625
Yes

>> No.11137726

>>11137611
Reworking is a generous term and you're less than a proselytizing hoot. My point still stands, though I never claimed to have read Ulysses.

>> No.11137729

>>11136936
>Picasso was a good artist, shame he wasted all that time fucking around with paint

>> No.11137800

>>11137540
Most of the books that are referenced in Ulysses are very mainstream and are taught in high school. Joyce rarely made allusions to obscure literature.

>> No.11137809

>>11137729
is picasso the joyce of painting

>> No.11137813

>>11137633
gaddis btfo

>> No.11137886

>>11137726
My post was basically a reimagining of Ulysses for the modern age

>> No.11138382

>>11136936
see >>11135196
>...and his techniques necessary to what he wanted to achieve.

joyce about the wake
>"One great part of every human existence is passed in a state which cannot be rendered sensible by the use of wideawake language, cutanddry grammar and goahead plot."

>> No.11138421

>>11135140
Easily one of the top 5 greatest minds of all time. Joyce, Aristotle, Newton, Einstein, and da Vinci.

>> No.11138436

>>11135140
If the guy died at 58 why are there so many pictures of him looking at least 70

>> No.11138457

>>11138436
People aged faster in the old days

>> No.11138469

>>11135222
seriously. what is going on here?

>>11135140
He is a genius dude. That should be obvious to anyone who reads a lot.

>> No.11138492

>>11138421
Normies get out REEEEEEEEEE

>> No.11138674

>>11137886
Pro tip: If you have to explain your joke, it isn't a good joke.

>> No.11139723

>>11138674
Pro tip: you just replied to a fucking joke comment

>> No.11141169

Any reader unfamiliar with the intricacies of Hiberno-English cannot appreciate the Wake.