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There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. However, you notice that the lever is coin operated.

You have two options:
Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track.
Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track and losing you twenty five cents.
Which is the most ethical choice?

>> No.11123496
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>>11123492

>> No.11123521

>>11123492

Simple, demand the strapped group 1 coin per person, then pull an recoup your losses. The sum fee would probably need to be contractually assured, but I'm not sure we have time for that. Also, it would be ideal that each individual gives you their fair share, this way you establish basis for future contracts with all participants. They know their lives are worth more than a quarter, and this will be a bargaining chip for you in future encounters.


Then again, I generally disagree with Rand. I'm giving a hypothetical response, trying my hand at the mindset.

>> No.11123529

>>11123492
in every circumstance, killing 5 people is correct. they were going to die and it's not fair to twist fate on the 1 guy like that.

>> No.11123531

>implying pulling the lever is ever ethical
Just walk away, what's the problem have to do with you?

>> No.11123533

>>11123529
i mean, who do they think they are to deserve being saved? the fucking arrogance to assume that i'd put them over the one guy who did nothing wrong, they deserve to die. fuck the 5 people/.

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Pulling the lever is manslaughter in the US, so I wouldn't do it.

>> No.11123595

>>11123492
The Karl Marx trolley dilemma, but actually there isn't any dilemma at all because everyone died of hunger and there wasn't enough money to build a train

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>>11123595
>pic related

>> No.11123981

>>11123496
holy kek

>> No.11123999

>>11123492
>There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. However, you notice that the lever is kiss operated.

>You have two options:
>Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track.
>Kiss the neckbeard, diverting the trolley onto the side track.
>Which is the most ethical choice?

>> No.11124005

>>11123492
If he pulls the lever he's not compensated for the surplus value he created through labor by the capitalist class, therefore no.

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>>11123492
>if anyone calls for help, save the five people
>if no one does, ask if anyone wants to be saved
>if at least one person assents, save the five people
>proceed afterwards to request lifelong friendship from each one of them
>also ask them to promise to fulfil one wish of mine, to the best of their ability or to my satisfaction, if I so ask for it
>if they ask for motives, state that I want friends for the first request, and that I see the second one as a way for them to repay me for saving them
>anyone who rejects both requests will be forgotten because if they themselves do not acknowledge the significance of them being alive then their life is worthless to me
>anyone who agrees to either or both requests will be asked to prepare one 25 cent coin, which will be split between me and them to be kept as a memento on our person
>the condition for an unfulfilled request is any of the following: unwillingness to maintain the friendship, three rejected favours in a row, or the breaking of the promise to fulfil my wish
>anyone who commits either of these misdeeds will be killed by my hands
>anyone who agreed to both requests will be forgiven once on account of their other request, but if they fail to fulfil both they will meet the same fate as above
>if they possess the memento when I kill them they will be buried at the original railway tracks along with both of the 25 cent coin halves
>if they don't have it their corpse will be thrown to the dogs along with the halved 25 cent coin

>> No.11124955

>>11123492
>Which is the most ethical choice?
Can I negotiate with the tied up people?
Maybe they would be willing to make a written agreement to compensate me (maybe exceeding 25 cents, for the work I have to put in)?

>> No.11124969

>>11123492
Pay the 20c but now the 5 people are b bound to me until they pay 1000x what i payed

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>>11123492
I lose 25¢ to save five people

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