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[Anonymous No.11091270]

>Read the Early Socratic Dialogues
>Full of Socrates being a pedo and complaining that people spread many lies about him
>Ok maybe the Middle Dialogues will clear things up
>Presocratics contradict each other, sophists quote works that don't exist and say that the gods cannot know us
>Ok maybe the Late Dialogues will clear things up
>Start reading the Laws
>Plato is finally gonna say what virtue is
>Sidesteps it again and says that the government will decide this after much deliberation
>Aristotle's commentary on Plato seems to be almost exclusively deliberate misreadings.
>Ok maybe some neoplatonists will clear things up
>Plotinus is pure rhetoric, Porphyry's arguments collapse immediately, Hermes Trismegistus gets basic factual stuff wrong and the Cambridge Platonists just assumes it's all true and start talking about how to organise churches
Is Platonism, dare I say it, wrong?

[Anonymous No.11091275]

>>11091270
yes

[Anonymous No.11091305]

>>11091270
>read
Want to know where you made your mistake?

[Anonymous No.11091313]

>>11091270
No, you've misread. Invest more time, effort, and research.

[Anonymous No.11091319]

True virtue is a combination of four things, OP, and if you cannot name those four things off the top of your head, you need to re-read Laws.

[Anonymous No.11091341]

>>11091270
hahaha hoooly shit dude you actually fell for the 'read the greeks' meme? you realize they were a bunch of brown-skinned retards who said shit like "everything is made up of water, earth, air and fire" and said humans originated from being grown inside fish until they reached adulthood, at which point they were vomited onto the shores? jesus man. i thought only kids and teenagers would fall for this shit

[Anonymous No.11091384]

>>11091341
The whole thing about the fish and junk is kind of true if you think about it though

[Anonymous No.11093243]

>>11091384
This, and plato's cosmology is where all the action is at anyway

[Anonymous No.11093252]

>Hermes Trismegistus gets basic factual stuff wrong
Care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.11093270]

>>11091341
water = bonds
earth = substance
air = movement
fire = temperature

The chemical elements are just different manifestations of these four basic principles

[Anonymous No.11093284]

>>11093270
>If you change the elements into something else then it's true, see?
Hurr

[Anonymous No.11093312]

>>11093284
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element#Buddhism

[Anonymous No.11093319]

>>11091270
>Not reading the dialogues esoterically.
not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.11093324]

>>11091270
*saves platonism from itself*

Hehe nothing personal ma cherie

[Anonymous No.11093346]

>>11091341
>he fell for the "he fell for the 'start with the greeks' meme" meme

[Anonymous No.11093683]

>>11093284
>if you take everything very literal to the point of complete misunderstanding you are surely an intellectual
Mate stop being a retard and know your elements brainlet

[Anonymous No.11093691]

>>11093346
Is '"he fell for the 'start with the greeks' meme" meme"' meme a thing yet?

[Anonymous No.11093701]

>>11091270
You're too post-ironic to understand Plato. Either abandon the internet for at least thirty years to undo the neigh-irreparable damage it has done to your brain and try again or just demap yourself.

[Anonymous No.11093726]

>>11091270
>Hermes Trismegistus gets basic factual stuff wrong
You weren't ready.

[Anonymous No.11094852]

>>11093691
ahahahahahaagh he well for teh "'"he fell for the 'start with the greeks' meme" meme"' meme"

[Anonymous No.11094857]

>>11093683
the essential element is vagina

i fucking knew it

[Anonymous No.11094879]

>>11094852
So you fell for the "he fell for the "he fell for the 'start with the Greeks' meme" meme" meme?

[Anonymous No.11094898]

>>11091270
>plotinus is rhetoric
>hermes gets stuff factually wrong
going to have to be specific here
>>11093284
this is how they were always described
>>11094857
please leave