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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General Anonymous Wed May 2 08:13:18 2018 No.11087828 [Reply] [Original]

>right well I had to go to the archive and dredge out the copypasta so I'll choose my own damn thread pic thank you very much
edition

>what books defeated you?
>either too deep to process or too shallow to bother investing time in

FANTASY
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General:
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Flowchart:
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SCIENCE FICTION
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Previous Threads:
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>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:14:02 2018 No.11087831 >>11087828 >either too deep to process Peace >too shallow to bother investing time in Children of Time

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:15:09 2018 No.11087838 Lanfear best WoT girl

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:15:33 2018 No.11087840 What are some fun, edgy space opera?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:18:42 2018 No.11087849 >>11087828 What did Lem and the Strugatskis write that's any good, beside Solaris and Roadside Picnic, respectively?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:19:21 2018 No.11087852 >>11087849 >>11087840 >>11087838 Right I see you lazy cunts just were hanging around waiting for me to do the hard work making the thread eh? bastardarses

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:23:17 2018 No.11087867 >>11087852 i swear i've just woken up!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:28:52 2018 No.11087879 File: 127 KB, 400x579, Moiraine_Damodred.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11087838 Haven't came across her yet, but I already know for a fact that you're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:30:15 2018 No.11087883 >>11087840 The praxis

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:31:17 2018 No.11087886 >>11087867 >Half 1 You're still a lazy bastard

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:35:34 2018 No.11087895 >>11087886 i've cried myself into sleep tonight after that horrible CL semifinal cut me some slack! >>11087879 no you are in the wrong here

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:36:57 2018 No.11087899 What is a good science fiction of fantasy book? (asking for a friend)

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 08:37:44 2018 No.11087901 >>11087886 >Burkina Faso timezone go back to your shitty Afro-futurism, West-Coaster

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:38:37 2018 No.11088046 >>11087828 13th for Hackerson a fag

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:39:14 2018 No.11088048 File: 256 KB, 500x800, monthly reading.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Soon finished! Free Dick (download): http://b-ok.xyz/s/?q=Flow+my+tears+the+policeman+said

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:40:11 2018 No.11088052 >>11087828 >deep Destination Void, due to the fucking lingo >shallow Fuck Mark Lawrence and his edgy teen fans

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:40:38 2018 No.11088055 File: 170 KB, 938x797, Moiraine_Damodred (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11087895 I'm in the right, you're the one who is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:43:09 2018 No.11088065 Brandon Sanderson

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:45:13 2018 No.11088075 >>11087849 >Strugatskis Hard to Be a God is decent, The Doomed City is great.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:48:46 2018 No.11088087 File: 616 KB, 960x1280, 7bb53dd445043239947791fb5da69a9f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11088055 i hope that one day you will see the error of your ways

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:49:45 2018 No.11088090 >>11087899 There's 7 charts and two lists in the OP, start there.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:51:45 2018 No.11088096 >>11088075 Hard to be a God was made into a wonderful film though. I agree about the book, On the Silver Globe is a better novel. And, coincidentally, a slightly better film too.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 09:52:52 2018 No.11088100 U have to read "Los Altísimos" by hugo correa. Ray say "the best science fiction boom ever maked"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:02:13 2018 No.11088143 I read The Great Hunt but just can't carry on with WoT, to answer your question OP. What should I read: Asimov or Gibson?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:11:14 2018 No.11088177 >>11088143 Asimov: AIs are people too, and that's great. Gibson: AIs are people too, and that's terrible. You choose, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:13:17 2018 No.11088185 >>11088143 Asimov you silly goose.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:13:54 2018 No.11088187 >>11088090 Charts are impersonal.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:17:23 2018 No.11088200 >>11088187 Read Dunsany, then Eddison, then Tolkien. That should be enough to set the groundwork for modern fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:19:03 2018 No.11088205 >>11088187 >Charts are impersonal Well, so was your question. The charts is a great place to start, then you can ask the thread if you have more specific questions about a book.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:19:51 2018 No.11088211 >>11088177 This Asimov fellow sounds like a spastic.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:33:50 2018 No.11088282 >>11088211 At least he didn't squander his one good novel idea after 60 pages, unlike Gibson. Also, Neal Stephenson fans deserve to be shot on sight.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:50:32 2018 No.11088336 >>11088211 >>11088282 I like Asimov, Gibson and Stephenson. Now what?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 10:52:45 2018 No.11088348 >>11088282 Anathem is actually good. I can't say that about anything else of Stephenson's I've read, though.

Anonymous Wed May 2 11:05:10 2018 No.11088387
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>>11087828
To the anon that shilled Life 3.0 in the last thread: it's probably the best rec I ever got on 4chan, outside the odd indie or unknown film and those pale in comparison. This shit is incredible.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 11:11:23 2018 No.11088412 >>11087838 Is it true that Jordan's wife used to beat him up and WoT was a desperate cry for help?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 11:12:33 2018 No.11088414 >>11088412 you'd think that considering how awful most of the female characters in that series are

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 11:24:12 2018 No.11088453 >>11088282 unfair. I thought the Baroque Cycle was good and Anathem as well

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 11:26:56 2018 No.11088460 >>11088453 I hate his stupid fucking beard too.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 11:33:38 2018 No.11088488 >>11088387 glad you like it. I'm not the one that shilled it, nor have I read it, I just really like when people find something they can enjoy. Have a nice day!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 11:35:06 2018 No.11088492 >>11088282 You being one 50 page rabbit trail from death is not my problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 11:37:28 2018 No.11088499 >>11087828 Fuck, I loved Blindsight. Any more books that try to build really "alien" alien encounters? Doesn't have to be as crushingly nihilistic as Blindsight though.

Anonymous Wed May 2 12:18:04 2018 No.11088623

How do I know when I have enough raw material and ideas and cool stuff to start cleaning it up and organizing it into an outline? I don't want some bare-bones, uninteresting, thin plot, but I also don't want to procrastinate and spend a decade with nothing but notebooks full of ideas nobody else can follow to show for it.

Anonymous Wed May 2 12:34:55 2018 No.11088690
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Looking for some decent online sf/f zines/blogs, especially those that published regular short stories.
I follow a few on Twitter but it seems harder to find more than I would've thought.

Anonymous Wed May 2 12:56:44 2018 No.11088761

>>11087828
>what books defeated you?
>either too deep to process or too shallow to bother investing time in

Recently, The Quantum Thief beat me. I couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on and didn't have the enemy to invest myself. I'll try again another time. I got as far as the MC chasing a kid through the city.

As for shallow, it was by a small-time local author so I won't name her or the book. Also she gave me the book for free, so I maybe I shouldn't be so harsh, but damn this woman didn't research how the military works before she wrote the book. On top of all that it had the usual flaws of lazy sci-fi: a painfully obvious plot, magic technology that steps in when needed and then doesn't when inconvenient to the plot, grrrl powah MC, etc etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 13:35:37 2018 No.11088940 >>11088499 Roadside picnic Solaris >>11088623 Fuck right off

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 13:39:44 2018 No.11088960 >>11088492 Neuromancer becomes bland and forgettable the second they leave Japan. The Rhastas were funny and a nice change of pace, but weren't given enough focus.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 13:55:33 2018 No.11089046 >>11088960 I was talking about Neal.

Anonymous Wed May 2 14:17:35 2018 No.11089157
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>BBC 2 adapting The City and the City with David Morrisey
Why didn't you tell me about this /sffg/? Now I want to reread it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 14:35:12 2018 No.11089286 Is The Witcher literary fantasy or am I getting rused?

Anonymous Wed May 2 14:36:26 2018 No.11089294

>Fantasy, as a belated version of romance, promises an absolute freedom from belatedness, from the anxieties of literary influence and origination, yet this promise is shadowed always by a psychic over-determination in the form itself of fantasy, that puts the stance of freedom into severe question.
What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 14:55:56 2018 No.11089438 >>11089294 Please don't use that autistic shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 15:10:01 2018 No.11089511 >>11089157 I don't, I hated it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 15:27:55 2018 No.11089602 >>11089286 Very pulpy. Exposition by way of dialogue, like a quest in a videogame. Shitty translation. >literary "no"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 15:29:53 2018 No.11089612 >>11089294 Fantasy insists upon itself

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 15:31:26 2018 No.11089625 Download folder for the books in the sticky ?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 16:03:07 2018 No.11089833 >>11089625 Does not exist. You can probably find most from the links in the /lit/ sticky.

Anonymous Wed May 2 16:07:58 2018 No.11089858
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>>11088387
glad you're enjoying it!
I'm not trying to turn /sffg/ into /sssfg/ but another fab science book from last year was pic related, not as bonkers as Life 3.0 but thoroughly enjoyable nonetheless. Fans of Watts must read: it's Blindsight meets Starfish not written by an angry liberal.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 16:35:27 2018 No.11089996 >>11088048 Good book Ending was rushed and dissatisfying

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 16:38:43 2018 No.11090015 >>11089996 I really liked the ending. Only bad part was the explanation for the whole thing, which made absolutely no sense. Should have just left it a mystery.

Anonymous Wed May 2 16:54:17 2018 No.11090109

Why are big brand books like Star Wars (etc) always written by literally whos? I'm not really a fan of todays big names in SF&F but why aren't they offered the biggest franchises? Why isn't there a Star Wars book by GRRM, Brandon Sanderson or Stephen King out there?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 16:57:52 2018 No.11090137 >>11090109 Why would a good writer use someone else's world rather than create their own?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 16:59:43 2018 No.11090150 >>11090137 Why would a good game developer? Or a good comic book writer? Or a good movie studio? It happen all the time, except in literature.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:05:44 2018 No.11090187 >>11090137 Ask Dante

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:06:09 2018 No.11090192 >>11090150 Those other media require teams of artists to create, also they have other qualities which can compensate for a lack of originality. At any rate, tie-ins are a good way for new genre authors to grind out some income and experience.

Anonymous Wed May 2 17:12:08 2018 No.11090225

>>11090150
Your comparing entire industries rather than the part of that industry that does the writing. And they aren't exactly free to do their own thing they have pressure and higher ups deciding what they do when compared to book writers. It would be interesting to ask them given no contracts what world would those people want to do? If you look at Indy studios which is the most free comparison it's not star wars is it?
Comics is an interest point that I will concede though. I suppose the prestige of doing a star wars / marvel comic is very attractive and there isn't exactly the same pull from those in literature.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:15:42 2018 No.11090248 >>11090137 If you are a good writer, why not write instead of spending years fleshing out a coherent world, alien species, motivations, magic systems, etc

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:16:38 2018 No.11090249 >>11090137 Why not? Great writers take themes from mythology all the time

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:21:13 2018 No.11090271 >>11090225 >If you look at Indy studios which is the most free comparison it's not star wars is it? True, but they would never get the license anyway so that's a moot point. However, you've got a couple of good points.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:27:05 2018 No.11090301 >>11090225 >there isn't a single famous author who would take a million dollar book deal alright...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:34:10 2018 No.11090334 >>11090109 Lol Watts wrote that Crisis novel, pretty shitty D-list version of what you're talking about but it happened.

Anonymous Wed May 2 17:35:23 2018 No.11090347

>>11090248
>>11090249
I agree with both of these but of you aren't 100% behind how everything works you are better off creating your own world right?
>>11090271
Comics is the best comparison and the best that I know of do go to the existing worlds. It does seem to be the opposite of literature though I am not a comic expert by any means.
Maybe we are looking at the wrong existing worlds. It might be something other than star wars.
>>11090301
What's worth more your creative freedom or money? What's more valuable showing you can create and flesh out a world and create a great story in it or creating a great story in an existing world? What is more satisfying as a creator?
It's not all about money.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:44:26 2018 No.11090389 File: 416 KB, 848x566, 000111zzz.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so, any good?

Anonymous Wed May 2 17:47:09 2018 No.11090405
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About to finish this book. My question is for anyone whose read the sequels. Are they as good as the first book Dune? I loved it very much even though the bad guys are a little to comically bad but whatever. Great book and I want more.
Or is it maybe a one hit wonder which Frank just expended upon?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:48:24 2018 No.11090408 >>11090405 the first is the only good one. you can read the sequels but brace for disappointment. theres a massive drop in quality and both story telling and writing.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:49:50 2018 No.11090414 >>11090405 If you like Dune you might read up until God Emperor. After that there's really no point in continuing.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 17:58:40 2018 No.11090453 >>11090405 The sequels aren't as good, but I think reading up to God Emperor of Dune is worthwhile. The last two books, Heretics and Chapterhouse, are pretty bad.

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:09:44 2018 No.11090504 >>11090465 I lost it at "fat flying gingers". This does speak truth though.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:23:43 2018 No.11090565 >>11090453 >>11090414 >>11090408 Thanks. Follow up are there any sci fis as good as the first one? Or rather similar to that one? I initally wanted to read hard sci fi but this fantasy esque one really capture me

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:32:48 2018 No.11090603 >>11090565 The Golden Oecumene triliogy by John C. Write pretty good hardish scifi that is outlandish enough to satisfy your fantasy desires. Also the obvious suggestion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun, which he himself calls science fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:33:31 2018 No.11090608 >>11090565 There's always Book of the New Sun.

Anonymous Wed May 2 18:38:17 2018 No.11090628

>>11090565
Hyperion Cantos is pretty good science-fantasy, with a tight underlying in more realistic sci-fi (although a real product of its time)

>>11090603
Write is also good, I recommend Count to a Trillion and the rest of its ilk, which I'm trawling through at the moment although I'm seriously swamped by its breadth.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:40:13 2018 No.11090638 >>11090603 >Write I always fuck this fags name up. Wright*

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:40:56 2018 No.11090642 Reminder to expect Daniel Black Book 4 in Fall. https://williamscorner.blog/

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:46:05 2018 No.11090676 File: 205 KB, 360x360, chrome_2018-01-02_11-32-31.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >That entire last 1/4th of Lake of the Long Sun AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:48:00 2018 No.11090687 >>11090628 >Hyperion Cantos I can't believe this book is still being shilled here. The Fall of Hyperion is the worst piece of shlock i've ever read in my life

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:49:08 2018 No.11090694 >>11090608 >>11090603 >>11090628 Thank you very much. I only recently started reading again so I have to rely on people like you to give me pointers to quality books

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:49:09 2018 No.11090695 >>11090565 The Book of the New Sun It's not just a meme.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:53:28 2018 No.11090714 >>11090694 i'm gonna be the 4th person to shill book of the new sun, and its sequels

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:55:11 2018 No.11090723 >>11090109 'Cause the parent media holding house or whatever wants a nice safe adaption that'll be in stores timely, and not some primadonna ARTEEEST messing up the canon or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 18:55:31 2018 No.11090728 >>11090714 I think ive heard of it before but ill definitely check it out now. Always good to know that I know what i can read next

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:30:03 2018 No.11090891 >>11090389 Nobody here reads new books.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:32:46 2018 No.11090902 >>11090891 They do, but only smut-rpg

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:34:39 2018 No.11090908 >>11090891 noone here reads books by an "omar" or women

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:42:57 2018 No.11090941 File: 224 KB, 318x475, Icarus_hunt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11090109 Big authors get royalties. Franchise writers get a paycheck. Zahn is pretty good, though. Check out The Icarus Hunt.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:43:02 2018 No.11090942 >>11088087 This guy is right, Lanfear best girl. On a different note, what should I read? Looking for something well written and "magickal" in the sense of The Last Unicorn, or Lud-In-The-Mist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:44:25 2018 No.11090946 >>11090405 Why do people always post the board game cover rather than the book? Is it a meme?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:44:42 2018 No.11090948 Shadow of the Torturer. smolbrain.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 19:53:46 2018 No.11090986 >>11090676 >Drive an hour to the nearest Barnes and Noble to pick up the sequel >They don't have a single Gene Wolfe book

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 20:10:01 2018 No.11091051 >>11090986 ouch

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 21:52:22 2018 No.11091440 >>11090676 What is this "ahhhhh" and picture supposed to convey?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:03:03 2018 No.11091469 >>11091440 Looks like stress

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:04:55 2018 No.11091475 >>11091469 i think its an orgasm

Anonymous Wed May 2 22:06:13 2018 No.11091478

>>11091440
It was amazing and I was completely enthralled! I ended up reading the whole thing in a day.

It was exciting to finally get the backstory about the Whorl too, even though it was pretty obvious to me. One thing I was not expecting was the Typhon namedrop, I thought this took place in a separate universe from BotNS

Anonymous Wed May 2 22:14:16 2018 No.11091507
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I'm sorry I doubted you. I should have listened when you said Sandershit was awful.

I just got this book and I gave it a chance, since it has such overwhelmingly positive reviews. Made it to about page 100 and I'm officially dropping it.
The book fails on nearly every level.
>The characters are boring and one dimensional (token hero who is mysterious and somehow good at everything, token Mary Sue female character who has big dreams and an even bigger heart)
>The Matrix style attacking and running on the ceiling is cheesy as fuck
>The world isn't that unique or interesting (dude, like, there's really violent storms and shit) (dude, like, light is really powerful)
>The lore means nothing to me and I'm sure it will all be explained eventually but if you can't at least give me some bread crumbs to keep my interest as incentive to keep reading, then I'm not wasting my time

The great reviews of this baffle me. It's like we're reading two different books.
And I'm sure there are people who say "Stick with it, it gets good around page 700."
Fuck that. If you can't convince me a book is worth reading by page 100, you failed as a writer.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:16:27 2018 No.11091515 >>11091507 contemporary sci-fi/fantasy is a barren wasteland

Anonymous Wed May 2 22:24:33 2018 No.11091548

Picked up 3-Body Problem as my pretty much first modern SCI-fi from several recommendations here
The 2nd and 3rd books was so much fun, you could really tell the author was an engineer
Looking to order some books for the summer, are there anything similar; as in starts of 'realistic' but gradually turns into a world constructed to convey some interesting ideas
The scope of time and just throwing science out the window is no matter, it worked for me, even if the characters was super-blunt

Ehhh, but I'dd really prefer a modern book. I've read all the classic science fiction, and it don't feel amazing to read about the author describing technologies we already have surpassed/approaching, even if it speaks volumes about his foresight.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:26:45 2018 No.11091556 >>11091507 But the interludes and such makes for really great "world-building" ;( I really like all his books.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:29:38 2018 No.11091572 >>11091507 anon there's a reason he's the #1 new york times bestselling author maybe you let yourself be influenced by the opinion of others too much

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:35:30 2018 No.11091590 >>11091556 Where is the story going though? So far, I'm following a guy around in a paddy wagon and we are given no reason to care for him.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:36:03 2018 No.11091592 >>11091515 check out Daemon. I thought it was good as fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:37:57 2018 No.11091597 >>11091590 he turns into a God though

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:38:20 2018 No.11091599 >>11091572 I think the book is alright, but isn't the NY Times list hand picked? It's just someone else's opinion as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 22:50:04 2018 No.11091651 kobolds have scales?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:02:10 2018 No.11091698 >>11091599 Nah, it's based on sales.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:02:29 2018 No.11091699 >>11091651 Depends it can be either and seems like there is freedom to choose.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:04:46 2018 No.11091706 >>11091515 It really is. I really can't think of any modern author who I'd class as a must read.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:34:22 2018 No.11091803 File: 512 KB, 590x438, prize.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11090908 >noone here reads books by an "omar" or women Congratulations! This is the correct answer. Please pick a prize from the box.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:44:01 2018 No.11091831 >>11091651 kobolds don't exist so they can have whatever you want

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:46:16 2018 No.11091835 >>11091507 I can only imagine how boring a person you are in real life. Sanderson's work appeals to pretty much anyone with an imagination.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:49:18 2018 No.11091849 >>11091548 It's not anywhere near as hard/plausible as 3BP but Count to a Trillion.

Anonymous Wed May 2 23:51:30 2018 No.11091858

>>11091706
John C. Wright, China Mieville, Cixin Liu. Maybe N.K. Jemisin. I guess it depends on what you mean by "must read" though. Plenty of people hate and have hated Heinlein, Clarke, Herbert, etc. Complaining that there's not another Wolfe is silly; you're not always going to have someone of his caliber around. Also, not all of Wolfe's books are even particularly good.

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 2 23:56:38 2018 No.11091878 ~ vampires in space ~ ~ autistic aliens who want to kill normies ~

Anonymous Thu May 3 00:11:57 2018 No.11091938
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/sffg/ I've been binge watching videos on relativity and time dilation. Give me some good /lit/kino that has relativity and time dilation themes and events. Good stuff, not just people getting older on spaceships

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 00:12:43 2018 No.11091939 >>11091938 the forever war

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 00:13:31 2018 No.11091944 >>11091939 read it loved it etc etc, also read hyperion (thats just straight up time fuckery though, not relativity iirc)

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 00:38:45 2018 No.11092040 >>11091507 Sanderson is a great author and basically you're retarded.

Anonymous Thu May 3 02:10:27 2018 No.11092348

https://www.clarkeaward.com/2018-shortlist-announced/
>Sea of Rust - C. Robert Cargill
>Dreams Before the Start of Time - Anne Charnock
>American War -Omar El Akkad
>Spaceman of Bohemia - Jaroslav Kalfar
>Gather the Daughters - Jennie Melamed
>Borne - Jeff VanderMeer

Anybody read any of them? Sea of Rust and Spaceman of Bohemia both sound quite interesting to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 02:35:22 2018 No.11092437 >>11091507 sanderson is pleb tier. most people are plebs. >>11091803 damn. i want a super duper treasure chest.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 03:30:14 2018 No.11092586 >>11091507 >Mary Sue Does a single person who uses this term know what it's supposed to mean?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 03:46:00 2018 No.11092630 File: 643 KB, 1128x1002, FEELS_DEEPERman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11091938 >good /lit/kino that has relativity and time dilation themes and events. G PRIMER, UPSTREAM COLOR TOAD ROAD, BEYOND THE BLACK RAINBOW ELEMENTS OF CONTROL

Anonymous Thu May 3 03:46:18 2018 No.11092631

>>11092586
Nope. Apparently it now means "any character who demonstrates competence or excellence at anything." I get the impression that characters are bad unless they are some kind of bitter failure or else just a mediocre nobody. Heaven forbid you want to write about an exceptional person doing exceptional things, apparently that triggers some people.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 03:48:21 2018 No.11092638 >>11092631 I can't relate to people who know how to do things or don't have crippling social anxiety. It's bad writing if I can't relate to it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 03:49:51 2018 No.11092641 >>11090891 I try to read at least one new SF&F book each year.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 03:51:10 2018 No.11092645 >>11092638 I know right? Kaladin is a skilled fighter and charismatic leader? Nobody could ever have those qualities! Obvious gary stu.

Anonymous Thu May 3 03:54:07 2018 No.11092653

>>11091548
I've not read them personally but you could try The Wandering Earth and Invisible Planets if you liked 3BP. Both are sci-fi short story collections featuring Liu Cixin. Wandering Earth is only him, Invisible Planets is contemporary Chinese sci-fi.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 04:09:58 2018 No.11092689 >>11091858 Also, Wolfe's last book was released 2015 so he's contemporary.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 04:48:24 2018 No.11092800 File: 39 KB, 263x400, 1001524.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy shit fuck Melanie. I didn't realise it was possible to hate a character this much.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:06:39 2018 No.11092860 >>11089157 The show is already out. They changed some things, adding personal investment for the MC. It was alright.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:07:24 2018 No.11092861 File: 51 KB, 329x499, 51+DEpgIXvL._SX327_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Name a better series. >You failed.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:18:43 2018 No.11092905 >>11092861 >female authors this isnt the 80s anymore anon. women cant write anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:19:59 2018 No.11092908 >>11092905 neither can men apparently

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:36:27 2018 No.11092950 Genre fiction has no place on /lit/. Out! OUT!

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:39:19 2018 No.11092961 >>11092950 NO

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:42:57 2018 No.11092979 >>11092950 >Literature has no place on /lit/ Accurate

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:56:57 2018 No.11093028 >>11092950 Yeah, we really need fewer threads like this and more threads like >>11092866 >>11092635 >>11092856

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:57:28 2018 No.11093030 >>11092950 Genre fiction is the only thing worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 05:57:34 2018 No.11093032 File: 281 KB, 750x1080, m0082 copy_yBdRcHlSiUE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >beloved character survives the mission but dies a stupid death on their way home what books do this?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 06:34:18 2018 No.11093115 >>11092950 What about The Witcher?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 06:43:21 2018 No.11093138 Just read the Prince of Nothing trilogy. Everyone was so unlikable and I just wanted them all to die. How do I erase this series entirely from my memory?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 06:44:07 2018 No.11093143 >>11091507 >>11091515 Fantasy (and literature in general) is like any other medium. The most popular stuff is just trash that's churned out to the masses.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 06:48:15 2018 No.11093153 >>11091858 >China You could also add Vandermeer or Swanwick. Mieville isn't that great although his ideas are always in the right direction and I don't like his word choice too much, but my vocabulary isn't very big so it could be me.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 07:19:49 2018 No.11093227 >>11093028 not gonna lie some of these porn parodies are comedy gold. i mean just look at this. its literally like watching seinfeld. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MyZg7E27cw

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 07:19:53 2018 No.11093228 >>11089157 i watched like 10 mins, it was gay as fuck cheesy, switched off and watched Stalker again instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 07:26:18 2018 No.11093246 >>11093138 You have to overwrite the memory with the sequel series.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 07:41:46 2018 No.11093298 >>11092861 >Sarah

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 07:43:00 2018 No.11093304 >>11093032 Whatever the last book in the First Law trilogy is called did it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 07:44:15 2018 No.11093309 >>11093032 The Ten Thousand

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 08:38:10 2018 No.11093471 Why is Nynaeve such a dumb cunt?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 08:39:02 2018 No.11093472 >>11093471 more like: why is everyone in this series a dumb cunt

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 08:45:22 2018 No.11093497 >>11093472 She manages to be an even bigger dumb cunt.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 08:53:05 2018 No.11093528 >>11093497 All that braid tugging scrambled her neurons.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 09:16:40 2018 No.11093609 >>11093032 Library at Mount Char

Anonymous Thu May 3 09:22:31 2018 No.11093642

>>11093138
"Well well well Kelhus, it seems you really are a...
PRINCE
OF
NOTHING!!!!!!"
Embarrassing really.
Jokes aside I started this and finished the first two books but now I'm pretty burned out.
I started it because I was told that the series has interesting ideas about how the world forms around the characters due to their philosophies and viewpoints. I also heard the the magic is supposed interesting and a little bit more meta but I haven't seen anything like that yet.

Is the third book good?
Akka teaches Kelhus the Gnosis here I've read. Is that part interesting?
Also the Annasurimbor is NOT my Emperor.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 09:26:36 2018 No.11093658 This general is full of a bunch of contrarians.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 09:27:53 2018 No.11093664 >>11093658 /sffg/ is pretty much the only place on /lit/ where people even have different opinions. if you want the hivemind you want >>>/outerlit/

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 09:49:22 2018 No.11093749 >>11093497 She gets (slightly) better, and at least isn't the worst dumbest cunt (that'd be either Egwene or Elayne probably.)

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 09:55:57 2018 No.11093788 >>11092348 I knew what "American War by Mohammed Sumdood" would be about before I googled it, and I was correct.

Anonymous Thu May 3 10:00:55 2018 No.11093813
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>>11093153
Not a huge fan of Vandermeer but I understand people who are, as for Swanwick I don't read much fantasy but I've heard good things; you're probably right.

Mieville has great ideas, an interesting aesthetic sense, decent style, and is willing to take risks. I completely understand people not liking him but, again, an author doesn't need universal acclaim to be generally worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:12:44 2018 No.11093879 Finished The Blade Itself after having it sit on my shelf for months. Bit surprised about how Glokta's segment ended. >>11093304 Fuck sake.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:13:46 2018 No.11093884 >>11093471 Don't talk shit about Nynaeve!

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:13:56 2018 No.11093886 >>11091548 >I've read all the classic science fiction I don't believe you

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:18:16 2018 No.11093899 >>11092631 >Heaven forbid you want to write about an exceptional person doing exceptional things, apparently that triggers some people. That's how comic books are written.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:23:42 2018 No.11093927 >>11093884 But she's a dumb cunt.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:31:32 2018 No.11093957 >>11093927 t. Egwene

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:33:26 2018 No.11093961 File: 28 KB, 517x429, 1478422653821.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] can't we agree that all main WoT girls except Min are trash?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:42:34 2018 No.11093993 >>11093957 She's a dumb cunt too. I haven't read far enough to see them hate each other, but I hope it results in mutual death.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:49:41 2018 No.11094009 >>11093961 No. My taste > Your taste

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:51:59 2018 No.11094020 File: 106 KB, 500x697, Moiraine-500x697.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11093961 Not quite

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:53:39 2018 No.11094029 >>11093813 >an author doesn't need universal acclaim to be generally worth reading. Yes, and especially since he's willing to take risks he's worth it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 10:58:07 2018 No.11094039 >>11093961 Lanfear best girl

Anonymous Thu May 3 12:39:17 2018 No.11094435
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What's good world building vs bad world building? How much do you need to show (show, don't tell!) the reader? What's the right balance of world building vs plot? I'm so confused, I see people jerk off to George R.R. Martin for his "brilliant world building" (which, to me, seems to usually be superfluous and bring plot to a halt) and then critique almost anything else of having too slow of pacing.

Anonymous Thu May 3 12:54:06 2018 No.11094500

>>11094435
Dune is perfect world building. BotNS is great if oblique(that being the point) and Banks, as much as I dislike some of his writing, is great at serving details sparsely and well. For a shorthanded example, Leibowitz is excellent worldbuilding, as it's both misterious and opaque, while being clear and to the point where it needs to be.

Anonymous Thu May 3 13:04:17 2018 No.11094560

>>11094435
ASoiaf is absolutely shit worldbuilding. How you take medieval Britain and make a confusing mess that is both dull and stops the story dead when expository puke commences. The Ironshits are the worst: how the fuck do you develop a searaiding culture on woodless islands Gurm you utter twat? The fat fuck only got the "lmao vikings from Orkney n shiet" and forgot the part where they crossed the North Sea on longboats made from Scandinavian wood

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 13:06:28 2018 No.11094576 >>11094435 There's an easy way to make any plot seem nicely paced. Think of reading Joe Abercrombie, and all of the sudden every other book moves like Usain Bolt vs. a quadriplegic knocked out of his wheelchair.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 13:15:35 2018 No.11094621 >>11094560 Maybe they swam around raiding in the beginning, mostly stealing wood.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 13:16:51 2018 No.11094629 >>11094621 That sounds like a fun series.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 13:23:56 2018 No.11094657 >>11092630 Beyond the Black Rainbow is an absolute gem.

Anonymous Thu May 3 13:31:49 2018 No.11094695

>reading unholy consult
>"her phallus"
>"her" erection
>gay rape
>"she" stood erect
>"her" man hands
>orifices everywhere
>"his" feminine cries inflamed their erections
what the actual fuck. is bakker a open closet fag or some shit?
At least the traps they had before used to hide their dick. Now you have erect penises everywhere

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 13:41:29 2018 No.11094732 >>11094695 The whole Consult thing pretty damn edgy, but I guess it fits.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 13:45:36 2018 No.11094752 >>11094576 >Abercrombie >Slow Have you read Malazan?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 13:49:20 2018 No.11094774 File: 61 KB, 800x600, GRI.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11094695 It's like pottery.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 14:04:09 2018 No.11094846 >>11094695 Wew, I thought they were memeing about Bakker.

Anonymous Thu May 3 14:04:33 2018 No.11094848

>>11094752
Malazan is deeply flawed as well.

>>11094435
It really depends on the individual.
Some people really like enormous exposition to the point where in my eyes it's almost like a wikipedia page on World of Warcraft. To me the characters are first and world building shouldn't get in the way of character progression/development or the plot.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 14:31:53 2018 No.11094975 >Witcher short stories are 10/10 Is there a more pleb-tier opinion?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 14:39:56 2018 No.11095027 >>11088387 If you like the author, he sometimes hangs around with the lesswrong.com crowd

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 14:55:18 2018 No.11095101 >>11094975 and unfortunately the witcher books stop being about the witcher, which is horrific

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 14:57:32 2018 No.11095114 >>11093032 This was very stupid and thus annoying.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 15:14:14 2018 No.11095168 >>11092630 jesus christ never post again i beg of you

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 15:29:08 2018 No.11095224 >http://www.grimdarkmagazine.com/page/4/ >there is an entire site for grim derp

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 15:31:23 2018 No.11095231 >>11095224 >The Mud, the Blood and the Years: Why “Grimdark” is the New “Sword and Sorcery”

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 15:36:59 2018 No.11095255 File: 363 KB, 682x1024, ghostsoftomorrow_fletcher.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11095224 anyone read pic related? The cyborg ninja spider bit got me interested.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 16:10:36 2018 No.11095435 >>11095224 Wasn't grime and derp used sarcastically? Are they embracing it now?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 16:25:40 2018 No.11095495 Recommend me some New Weird, please.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 16:46:50 2018 No.11095587 >>11095495 China Mieville's Perdido Street Station. Vandermeer's Annihilation. Swanwick's Iron Dragon's Daughter.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 16:54:37 2018 No.11095616 >>11087838 That's not how you spell Min, silly anon!

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 16:55:31 2018 No.11095624 File: 10 KB, 347x145, cowboy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are some good books featuring cowboys or the old west?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 16:57:46 2018 No.11095633 >>11088690 Asimov's, Analog, Clarkesworld

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 17:05:16 2018 No.11095666 >>11094435 Depends on the series and the author's individual style. I know that's hardly an answer at all, but it's a tricky topic.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 17:09:19 2018 No.11095682 >>11095624 Not fantasy but: Blood Meridian East of Eden Riders of the Purple Sage True Grit

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 17:27:05 2018 No.11095743 >>11095255 looks like a "Legends of Tomorrow" episode....

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 18:19:28 2018 No.11095939 >>11095682 >>11095624 I loved True Grit

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 18:19:41 2018 No.11095940 >>11092950 What if it has cat girls

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 18:47:30 2018 No.11096053 >>11094695 >>11093642 Thousandfold Thought is one of the gayest things I've ever read.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:06:23 2018 No.11096126 My friend and I just bought the mistborn series. What are we in for?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:07:17 2018 No.11096129 >>11094695 you got a problem with feminine penises, bigot?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:11:42 2018 No.11096144 >>11096126 Mediocrity.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:20:58 2018 No.11096171 >>11096129 Yes I do, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:21:13 2018 No.11096173 File: 120 KB, 1452x848, 1525273630849.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11096144 Damn

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:21:14 2018 No.11096174 >>11092800 I DNF'd that book

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:24:46 2018 No.11096195 >>11093961 That's all ten thousand pages in one image

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:24:53 2018 No.11096196 >>11096126 1st Book- Good 2nd Book- Eh 3rd Book- Good

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:26:57 2018 No.11096211 >>11092586 It's a term from fanfiction, I assume anyone who uses it only thinks in fanfic terms. It's embarrassing really.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:29:10 2018 No.11096226 File: 94 KB, 1003x776, 1525390150129.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11096173 begone, normieme any good hard compsci hard sci-fi?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:29:45 2018 No.11096228 >>11087838 Is Selene Lanfear? Because Selene is best girl.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 19:33:09 2018 No.11096250 >>11096228 RAFO

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:04:03 2018 No.11096411 File: 1.01 MB, 640x1056, Blindopraxia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11091867 Here Anon. You are welcomed.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:07:34 2018 No.11096431 >>11096126 I liked it.... I didn't buy it though, reading is more fun when it's free.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:17:24 2018 No.11096467 So is there a reason ASIOAF or WoT aren't on the selected or flowchart lists? Like they're not the best but they're still notable pieces of fiction, regardless of mainstream appeal

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:19:00 2018 No.11096476 >>11096126 First Mistborn trilogy has a Gainax plot the second is even more anime somehow.

Anonymous Thu May 3 20:19:52 2018 No.11096481

>>11092950
You realize that this general is like 30% of the board's traffic, right?

The "write what's on your mind" and "post your novel ideas" are literally just "babble so the board stays alive" threads, that's how little activity this board receives.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:38:54 2018 No.11096563 File: 29 KB, 400x399, b74.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >It's a Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser confront the Thieves' Guild episode

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:42:00 2018 No.11096576 What author/franchise has the best depiction of warfare in the far future?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:46:17 2018 No.11096598 >>11096467 We like to dislike the things that other people like here.

Anonymous Thu May 3 20:46:45 2018 No.11096600

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/may/03/kill-bilbo-weinstein-threatened-to-hire-tarantino-for-lord-of-the-rings
>Harvey Weinstein threatened Lord of Rings director Peter Jackson that he would be replaced by Quentin Tarantino if he did not turn his vision for J.R.R. Tolkien’s book into one two-hour film.

>A new book by British film writer Ian Nathan, Anything You Can Imagine: Peter Jackson & The Making of Middle-Earth, reveals that Weinstein thought the New Zealand director had “wasted” $12m in developing a two-movie script.

good lord.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 20:48:37 2018 No.11096613 >>11096600 I guess that explains the 27 part Hobbit movie series

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 21:07:35 2018 No.11096703 >>11096600 So Weinstein was /ourjew/?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 21:16:28 2018 No.11096745 Just finished the 2nd book of The Three Body Problem and it was great. Please tell me the last one is good at least.

Anonymous Thu May 3 21:36:08 2018 No.11096854

>>11096126
Good stuff. I don't know how things are nowadays but when it came out a fantasy book that ended on the last page was a revolutionary act.

I think the author maybe took the wrong lessons away from his early success, but that doesn't make the first Mistborn less worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 21:38:33 2018 No.11096871 What sci-fic and fantasy will make me a better person after reading it?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 21:48:59 2018 No.11096927 File: 60 KB, 617x403, push_the_button_kill_everyone_do_it_push_the_button.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11096745 It's different... Abstract

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 21:54:52 2018 No.11096952 >>11096871 None.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 22:09:14 2018 No.11097001 >>11096126 First good was good but personally I thought the last two books were boring as fuck and rather shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 22:25:16 2018 No.11097060 File: 8 KB, 185x272, solaris.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Halfway through this. Why didn't you faggots tell me that it was scary? Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:14:37 2018 No.11097306 >dk holmberg writing multiple series with female protagonists whats his issue

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:14:57 2018 No.11097309 I've never read any sci fi or fantasy before, but I want to read some to learn how to world build effectively. Who are considered the best at world building?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:18:19 2018 No.11097328 >>11097306 at one point in a writers career they get this sudden idea that they cant be real authors if they cant write a story with a main female pov convincingly. most authors just ignore this as fleeting insecurity. weak willed idiots give in.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:19:38 2018 No.11097339 >>11097309 Fantasy then Tolkien will always get a mention. More modern then the Wheel of Time series. Sci-fi is a bit trickier.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:19:57 2018 No.11097341 >>11097309 read the warhammer 40k books. they arent all good. most of them are terrible actually. but worldbuilding they do without equals.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:27:53 2018 No.11097377 >>11097309 Both ASOIAF and Star Wars ripped off Dune pretty heavily so Herbert must have done something right

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:28:56 2018 No.11097383 All I've ever read of Asimov are his short stories. How is his Foundation series?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:30:32 2018 No.11097391 >>11089858 I've been looking for a book about Octopodes . how detailed is that one?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:39:31 2018 No.11097434 >>11097309 george rr martin, tolkien, hyperion, book of the new sun

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:41:46 2018 No.11097447 >>11097309 Unironically Brandon "Anime" Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:43:25 2018 No.11097455 Just finished Children of Dune, what a fucking ride. Were the subtle pedo intentional or was Herbert a cryptoped?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 3 23:54:06 2018 No.11097493 >>11097383 If you have any interest in sci-fi it's a must read series.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 00:18:20 2018 No.11097567 >>11097455 Probably intentional; the childrens' sexuality is supposed to be creepy.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Fri May 4 00:32:42 2018 No.11097609
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>>11096467
WoT has an okay argument because Nineties but if someone needs a chart to find ASoIaF then we should just direct them to pic related because they aren't human.

Anonymous Fri May 4 00:46:48 2018 No.11097659

is Lord Dunsany a good entry level author? I asked for recommendations similar to dark souls and was told the world building is similar, but I've read about 3 stories from Time and the Gods and kinda unimpressed. I've also been recommended Gene Wolfe-book of the new sun and soldier of the mist but he seems a bit advanced to just jump into.

Anonymous Fri May 4 00:58:09 2018 No.11097689

>>11097567
Everything about Leto and Ghanima is supposed to be creepy, it's one of the major points of the book and it works really well. When Leto meets that outlaw Fremen near Jacurutu he's scared shitless because he thought the kid was a kind of malevolent desert spirit

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 01:00:41 2018 No.11097692 >>11097659 Read 5th head of Cerberus first. Also, Canticle for Leibowitz is a must.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Fri May 4 01:15:14 2018 No.11097735

>>11097659
Yeah, you're getting memed on if someone recommended Wolfe as entry-level to a /v/ crossboarder.

I haven't read Dunsany yet but I've only ever heard of him in the context of forefather of fantasy fiction. I would think the older literary style would again be tough for a /v/ guy (meaning no offense).
>Earthsea series by LeGuin
>The Dying Earth collection of short stories by Jack Vance
I would guess LeGuin would be a solid pick here because the protag and plot has more of a comic book/vidya level of complexity. The Vance recommendation is more hopeful rather than a perfect fit, as I'm the (sometimes) resident shill.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 01:18:26 2018 No.11097748 >>11095587 >PSS Absolutely terrible.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 01:45:02 2018 No.11097817 File: 47 KB, 200x305, Peter Watts.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11087828 >Stop having consciousness

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 02:03:34 2018 No.11097891 >>11097735 they recommended him more as someone who is dark souls esque, not as someone entry level. I will check out your recs bro, thank you. feel free to respond further with any thoughts

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 03:23:20 2018 No.11098050 >>11096467 Why would they be on selected? ASOIAF is unfinished, WoT is almost unfinished and neither is that good. They're on the general flowchart because they're notable.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 03:27:15 2018 No.11098060 >>11097659 Isn't Dark Souls difficult and unforgiving?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 03:44:07 2018 No.11098091 Anything interesting looking coming out this month? March and April didn't really have anything that caught my attention.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 04:30:31 2018 No.11098199 File: 38 KB, 316x475, 33237983.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this was really enjoyable

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 05:05:00 2018 No.11098286 whats the ideal sci fi/fantasy book for someone with a cuck fetish?

Anonymous Fri May 4 05:08:22 2018 No.11098295

>>11091507
>The characters are boring and one dimensional (token hero who is mysterious and somehow good at everything, token Mary Sue female character who has big dreams and an even bigger heart)

Not true, in each book both of them find their limits as people and grow through them. The guy is good at few specific things and the girl is good at stuff thanks to abusive childhood.

>The Matrix style attacking and running on the ceiling is cheesy as fuck
What is bad about that?
>The world isn't that unique or interesting
It's pretty interesting.

I found that all three main characters were in an interesting enough situations to explore (struggle in the face of desperation/betraying the person you respect/ introducing honor in a warmonger society) and imho it has some of the hypest shit in any media. The books are not perfect and by no means a required reading but they have a lot of good about them. And of course you shouldn't read something you don't enjoy.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 05:08:23 2018 No.11098297 >>11098286 Demon Cycle by Peter V. Brett

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 05:19:17 2018 No.11098321 >>11098297 why

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 05:46:58 2018 No.11098397 >>11097817 but >start having consciousness still better than "space vampires" posting

Anonymous Fri May 4 05:48:58 2018 No.11098404

>>11097391
It's interesting, in a conversational fun-fact kind of way. It certainly includes a lot of physiology and zoology of octopuses, but alongside it there's hearty of intelligence (it's quantification, meaning etc), consciousness, and lots of cheery anecdotes from the author (a professional diver/biologist). Overall I wouldn't say it's too detailed about octopuses throughout, but I recommend it nonetheless.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 05:55:40 2018 No.11098418 >>11098321 It's about cucks

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 05:58:03 2018 No.11098421 >>11097391 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25967808-alien-space-tentacle-porn

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 06:01:02 2018 No.11098429 >>11098418 be specific

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 06:10:07 2018 No.11098446 >>11093642 Yeah the third book is great, definitely worth a read.

Anonymous Fri May 4 06:15:45 2018 No.11098463

>>11094435
I really like China Mieville's worldbuilding. I think it's easily the best aspect of his writing. Lots of unique stuff, lots of stuff that's teased that you want to know more about. That's where GRRM has gone wrong in my opinion, especially since AFFC. He just can't help himself working on fleshing out the world rather than just writing the books.

>>11095495
Thunderer by Felix Gilman

>>11095624
The Half Made World, also by Felix Gilman
The Dark Tower (at least the first 3-4 books are good)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 06:17:14 2018 No.11098469 >>11096467 Most fantasy readers have read ASOIAF due to the TV series, it doesn't need to be recommended. WOT is a bit shit and is also a massive seller so again, doesn't really need to be recommended.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 08:18:55 2018 No.11098842 >>11097341 >A mashup of Dune and Starship Troopers fights against generic fantasy races in space Yeah, great worldbuilding right there.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 09:17:46 2018 No.11099082 >>11098429 I am being specific

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 09:55:44 2018 No.11099238 >>11098050 I can't believe WoW has been delayed again in favor of Fire and Blood god dammit George...

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 10:18:53 2018 No.11099363 >>11099238 He's trolling at this point

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 11:24:32 2018 No.11099652 >>11098463 but does his communism show?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 12:52:24 2018 No.11100143 File: 180 KB, 1050x1443, 710DIJbiIZL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone read pic related? would you recommend it?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 12:54:10 2018 No.11100149 >>11098429 main character gets cucked hard by his best friend who betrayed him

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 12:58:05 2018 No.11100166 >>11099363 He's not only not working on WoW, he's probably already burned all of his notes. Probably ate a fat, greasy, double-decker blue cheese and bacon burger while he did it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:13:14 2018 No.11100231 >>11100149 Doesn't he also get raped? Then the anti-hero gets raped too. Most people get raped now that I think about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:15:12 2018 No.11100237 >>11100231 yea he "falls" for her after she gets raped too what a shitty book

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:19:56 2018 No.11100255 >>11096576 Bump

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:23:49 2018 No.11100269 >>11100143 Not but it sounds pretty bonkers. Tell us how it goes if you read it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:26:20 2018 No.11100281 >>11100237 Oh fuck, I forgot the author ditched the romance with the healer girl in favour of the crazy dyke, because subverting expectations is 10/10 writing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:28:20 2018 No.11100291 >>11100281 I dropped the series pretty fast when I realized that the muzzie invaders aren't all going to be killed

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:28:56 2018 No.11100293 Has anyone read Alastair Reynolds? I tried to read Revenger but it struck me as space steampunk wank so I dropped it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:37:53 2018 No.11100340 >>11096411 THANK ME YOU FUCKER. IT TOO ME 4 HOURS IN PAINT TO DO THIS

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 13:55:54 2018 No.11100440 >>11100340 Not her, but appreciative I am.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 14:06:51 2018 No.11100504 >>11096576 Three-Body Problem desu. Shit gets real, then shit get's even more real.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 14:49:42 2018 No.11100689 >>11100291 Healer girl falls for that muslim dude too iirc

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 15:04:11 2018 No.11100755 >>11098199 Think it's the only book I've seen Will Wight directly shill for, got to read it on principle.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 15:16:43 2018 No.11100828 >>11100755 the next book is supposed to come out in around ~2 months can't wait desu

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 16:16:58 2018 No.11101120 >>11100293 didn't like him strikes me as an author you enjoy when you're new to the genre, and haven't heard all the cliches and concepts before

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:00:32 2018 No.11101359 >starting Accelerando >they're talking about using a genetic algorithm to patent every permutation of a base idea Jesus Christ I hate capitalism

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:07:57 2018 No.11101397 >>11101359 patents have nothing to do with capitalism idiot patents & copyrights are fucking communism

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:09:45 2018 No.11101404 Where would one find free forgotten realms books online?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:09:58 2018 No.11101406 >>11101397 >patents are communism I thought /lit/ was supposed to be educated

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:10:54 2018 No.11101409 File: 153 KB, 680x850, Lanfear_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Which WoT girl makes the best gf and why is it Lanfear?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:22:07 2018 No.11101480 I read Patrick Rothfuss's books what feels like ten years ago. When the fuck is the third one coming out?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:24:01 2018 No.11101493 >>11101397 Hello friend I think you misunderstand what capitalism and communism are.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:25:50 2018 No.11101503 >>11101480 Never hopefully. I want everyone who enjoys that hack to suffer.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:35:40 2018 No.11101560 >>11101480 Forget about it anon, read something else and post about it instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:40:51 2018 No.11101589 >>11100689 I don't even know what books you guys are talking about but damn that sounds shitty

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 17:43:13 2018 No.11101609 New Thread On Time >>11101604 >>11101604 >>11101604

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 19:05:32 2018 No.11102039 File: 267 KB, 1574x1080, laff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11101397

>>	Anonymous Fri May 4 22:38:36 2018 No.11102907 >>11099652 No

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