/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11063693]

You know his erudition was feigned, right /lit/?

[Anonymous No.11063700]

>>11063693
He was a pseud and a perverted cuck. He'd fit in well here.

[Anonymous No.11063742]

>>11063693
The erudite is seldom the most learned man, he is more often the pseud who is most skilled at hiding his pseudery.

That's why you all should stop caring about how anons perceive your level of intelligence.

[Anonymous No.11063756]

>>11063742
Can you extrapolate on this?

[Anonymous No.11063759]

>>11063693
That's true but honestly feigning erudition is its own talent. I'm inclined to call it an art even. And Joyce is the top practitioner of it. No one has come close to him and probably won't. Second to him is Borges and even he trails far behind the irishman.

[Anonymous No.11063766]

>>11063756
although "erudite" by definition is a learned man, what that anon is saying is that often time those who appear to be learned are those who have mastered a type of discourse, rather than having accrued a great deal of learning, i.e. they have learnt how to suggest knowledge by eg namedropping, employing obscure language that covers up gaps in knowledge, etc

[Anonymous No.11063771]

>>11063759

Yeah.

>Have more than thou showest
>Speak less than thou knowest

is the credo of the truly erudite man. But anyone can do this. The real skill comes in showing MORE than you have.

One guy who was pretty good at it was Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.11063778]

post examples/how did he do it

[Anonymous No.11063779]

>>11063766
Did Joyce do this? I haven't read him yet.

[Anonymous No.11063781]

everyone's erudition is feigned.

[Anonymous No.11063787]

>>11063781
If that comforts you, pseud.

[Anonymous No.11063790]

>>11063759
Since Joyce and Borges were mentioned together- do we know if Joyce read Borges? We know Borges read and commented on Joyce.

[Anonymous No.11063794]

>>11063778
You've either got a bit of the blarney in you or you don't. You can't learn it from another man.

[Anonymous No.11063815]

>>11063693
how was it feigned? stefan zweig called him one of the most erudite men he ever met, said he had an encyclopaedic knowledge of European languages, even being intimately familiar with dialects and local variations

[Anonymous No.11063823]

>>11063815
So he fooled some nobody? He's fooled many. I applaud him for it.

[Anonymous No.11063848]

>>11063823
So you can't actually come up with anything supporting your retarded statement.
nice b8 thread saged, reported and so on and so on

[Anonymous No.11063852]

>>11063848
I'm not your teacher. People in this thread agree with me. One of them can hold your hand through this if they're feeling generous.

[Anonymous No.11063895]

>>11063852
>People in this thread agree with me.
Oh gosh gee golly...welp, in that case, your opinion has now become incontrovertible fact. Boy oh boy, this is gonna change everything.

[Anonymous No.11063902]

>>11063815
>stefan zweig
was a man too easily impressed with people

[Anonymous No.11063911]

>>11063895
The point was that one of them could explain it to you. Man, you have a very weak mind.

[Anonymous No.11063912]

>>11063756
No.

[Anonymous No.11063913]

>>11063911
lol. Because you can't explain it. Because you're a pseud. Because you feign your erudition. Embarrassing, tbqhwyfam.

[Anonymous No.11063914]

>>11063911
So do you if you have been so intellectually emasculated by a guy who has been dead for 75 years as to make this thread.

[Anonymous No.11063920]

>He addle liddle phifie Annie ugged the little craythur. Wither hayre in honds tuck up your part inher. Oftwhile balbulous, mithre ahead, with goodly trowel in grasp and ivoroiled overalls which he habitacularly fondseed, like Haroun Childeric Eggeberth he would caligulate by multiplicables the alltitude and malltitude until he seesaw by neatlight of the liquor wheretwin ’twas born, his roundhead staple of other days to rise in undress maisonry upstanded (joygrantit!), a waalworth of a skyerscape of most eyeful hoyth entowerly, erigenating from next to nothing and celescalating the himals and all, hierarchitec titiptitoploftical, with a burning bush abob off its baubletop and with larrons o’toolers clittering up and tombles a’buckets clottering down. Of the first was he to bare arms and a name: Wassaily Booslaeugh.
Doesn’t seem feigned to me, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11064284]

>>11063781
Given the nature of memory, that's not far off. I've been wondering about the processes in the brain and body that knowledge go through to be retracted and while some bits seem to have a one to one conversion such as in logic, there are other types of reiteration of deeply held knowledge that do not have the communication correspond directly to those knowledge memories. Given the state of recalled testimony in courts being what it is, how we determine inherent knowledge in an communication agent is really fucking tricky.

[Anonymous No.11064303]

>>11064284
i attended a lecture by roger griffith once. he said that education is what remains after you've forgotten the rest.

[Anonymous No.11065887]

>>11063779
>>11063766
>>11063693
>>11063920
IMO, part of his perversion, at least in his writing, sought the triumph of life over academia. His "erudite" attitude came from his ambition and love of literature. Like Picasso, he wanted to be the best in all fields of his art. Sounds like OP is just complaining about not being able to "get" his books because they are very difficult to be compartmentalized into an academic discussion, especially Ulysses and Finnegans Wake. Erudite pseudery is a more fitting description of Camile Paglia's book Sexual Personae.

If you read interviews of Joyce, he did not try to appear intelligent, as you suggest. OP could perhaps just be a victim of anti-intellectualism

tl;dr: Joyce interview here. Intelligent, but not poised. Life > Academicism and Erudition

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/1922/03/james-joyce-djuna-barnes-ulysses