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Just marathoned this, /lit/. What did I think of it?

>> No.11059589

I don't know, faggot, what DID you think of it? What a worthless post. Someone on page 10 died for this garbage.

>> No.11059609

>>11059563
Society of the Spectacle is an interesting prelude to Simulacra and Simulation. I feel like what both books are saying goes over the head of lots of people who read them, they are deceptively concise and simply written, esp. DeBord.

>> No.11059612

That it was great. Comments is awful though.

>> No.11059629

Debord is great, but situatonists were a bunch of lunatics

>> No.11059691

>>11059612
Comments were kinda underwhelming for me too but they helped to shed some light on difficult passages of 'Société'.

>> No.11059701
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>>11059563
“What you aspire to as revolutionaries is a new master. You will get one.”
-Jacques Lacan, reacting to the Paris protests of 1968

pic is a situationist throwing ice at Lacan during a lecture, 1971.

>> No.11059707

>>11059701
meant to quote >>11059629 not OP

>> No.11059716

>>11059629
Happens with every social movement really.

>> No.11059721
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11059721

>when you BTFO Stirner in one sentence

>> No.11059724

>>11059721
Which sentence it is, oh Debord Guy?

>> No.11059735

>>11059563
Judging from the pic tou posted, I'd say memes.

>> No.11059739

>>11059724
>THE FACT THAT the anarchists regard the goal of the proletarian revolution as immediately present is at once the great strength and the great weakness of the real anarchist struggle (I refer to the struggle of collectivist anarchism; the claims of anarchism in its individualist variants are laughable).

>> No.11059761

Any good books on '68?

>> No.11059778

I have it sitting on my shelf right now but have only read one or two pages. Its really dense but I'm excited to get a less meme-tier understanding of Spectacle out of it.

>> No.11059799

>>11059778
It's not really that dense. Debord surely had a knack for obscure phrases, but once you get yourself familiar with his style, you will learn how to "decode" him.

>> No.11059812

>>11059761
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/roger-gregoire-fredy-perlman-worker-student-action-committees-france-may-68

>> No.11059887

>>11059761
Another good one:
>Underlying all this is a profoundly important phenomenon: all human life, from the very beginning of its development within capitalist society, has undergone an impoverishment. More than this, capitalist society is death organized with all the appearances of life. Here it is not a question of death as the extinction of life, but death-in-life, death with all the substance and power of life. The human being is dead and is no more than a ritual of capital. Young people still have the strength to refuse this death; they are able to rebel against domestication. They demand to live. But to those great numbers of smugly complacent people, who live on empty dreams and fantasies, this demand, this passionate need just seems irrational, or, at best, a paradise which is by definition inaccessible.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/camatte/agdom.htm

>> No.11059918

>>11059609
>French philosophy
>Concise and simply written
I can't tell if this is a joke. I've only read excerpts of Simulcra and Simulation but I've read through Society and while I grasped it pretty well and had already been introduced to its ideas previously, it was certainly not concise or simple. While it's hardly anywhere close to the most obscurantist French literature you can find, it certainly beats around the bush more than your typical Anglo or German stuff.

>> No.11059939

>>11059701

I mean...most "revolutionists" don't even disagree.

>> No.11060072

>>11059918
I mean stylistically, the meaning is still very dense and obscured by the deceptive simplicity of the prose. Baudrillard can get dense occasionally but his works still tend to be very short and singular fragments. Society of the Spectacle is structured in a similar way. I just mean these aren't massive tomes but short works that are still very deep in meaning.

>> No.11060079

>>11059739
I’m not even a Stirnerite but this has nothing on Stirner

>> No.11060090

>>11059563
you thought that posting on a site with pedophilia, fascist propaganda and business fag sociopathy was a good idea after reading something warning you not to do that

>> No.11060113

>>11060079
I wasn't being serious

>> No.11060236

>>11059918
Debord i feel is actually too simple

>> No.11060458

this guy really got Marx.

>> No.11060740

>>11059563
>>11059609
>>11060458
Is it true that he copied some passages of Das Kapital and merely replaced the word "capital" with "spactacle"?

>> No.11060802

>>11059701
someone has to do the meme of [infinity war is the most ambitious crossover] with this pic

>> No.11060863

>>11060740
I dont think so. He just understand its concepts very well. Thing that you can't find even among so called "marxists".