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>analyzed Araby for a community college english class
>didn't realize the narrator's conversation with Mangan's sister was just a fantasy
Joyce bamboozles me again, I thought I understood him because of /lit/

>> No.11056687

>>11056683
>just a fantasy
?

>> No.11057471

>>11056687
When he was in the room and she came and spoke to him, that never happened.

>> No.11057606

I got to read this again. Did this happen at the end of the story? Isn't he dozing off in a tram or something.

>> No.11057613

and what evidence do u have that it didn't happen? joyce isnt some kind of freaky pomo trickster

>> No.11057714

read my Araby essay

https://pastebin.com/HD8W18Kf

>> No.11058332

>> 11057714

I’m LITERALLY reading Dubliners right now and I read Araby a couple days ago. I just got back into reading after a couple years of reading maybe 2 books a year. My goodness I didn’t think of anything you wrote. I’m up to The Boarding House now but your essay makes me want to go back and reread some stuff.
How does one even try to pick up on symbolism. To me it was just a story of unrequited love. But the religious aspects never crossed my mind. Can’t imagine how many other things flew over my head.

>> No.11058868

>>11056683
Your teacher is demented. The conversation happens: it means nothing but idle chat to the girl, of course: she's barely aware the boy's alive and doesn't really expect him to bring her anything back (and would just smile and say thanks if he did, and go on ignoring him), but the conversation isn't some dream. His "O love" lines in the drawing room are alone, but the next paragraph "At last she spoke to me" doesn't imply that the conversation happened then. It was some time later, outside, leaning on the railings near their front door while her brother was roughhousing.

>> No.11059032

>>11057714
You need to work on your organization. Focus on constructing analyses and arguments that follow and build from each other. A fair bit of this reads badly because it's more of a plot synopsis with asides. For academic writing you can generally assume your reader has a bit more familiarity with the material than that, unless it was requested that you don't ofc

>> No.11059260

>>11057606
No the story ends as the lights go out in the bazaar

>> No.11059619

>>11059032
Thanks for actually reading it. I'd never written a literature essay before this so I was unsure how to make sure the reader knows what I was talking about and how to argue a point at the same time.

>> No.11059654

It seems to me that the conversation really happened, why do you think it didn't

>> No.11059835

>>11057714
>>11059619
Periods go after citation parentheses. Have a plan for what each paragraph should accomplish. There are some awkward phrasings which can be worked through by simply reading it out loud. Cut down on verbal tics like "sort of." Cut down on sentences which can be pared down to "x is (so on)" and instead have a verb drive the sentence. Take a look at this one: "Unlike the idealized abstractions that draw Joyce’s ire, this is what Joyce conceives of what religion should be about, real world charity and giving." "This is this" drives the sentence instead of "Joyce conceives that..." Also make crystal clear what you're referring to if you use words like "this."
80% is revision, anon.

>> No.11059838

>>11058868
>she's barely aware the boy's alive
If you read her body language she very obviously wants his cock. She's preening, flashing her petticoat and inadvertently jacking off a railing spike.

>> No.11059897

>>11058868
But after that Joyce writes 'that evening,' referring to the evening in the drawing room, meaning the conversation was something he imagined there.

>> No.11059932

>>11059897
>What innumerable follies laid waste my waking and sleeping thoughts after that evening!
He is more than likely talking about "that evening" that "at last she spoke to me" not "one evening I went into the back drawing room etc.."

>> No.11060397

>>11059932
Then why do they come right after each other?

>> No.11060416

>>11060397
Well, they different paragraphs though.
In one paragraph he's fantasizing and then in a next "at last she spoke to me".

It could be either case, that it is real or he is fantasizing. But I don't think him fantasizing adds anything to the story. Whereas it being real adds something.

>> No.11060431

>>11059897
No, it's the evening of the conversation. He probably ejaculates in the drawing-room while peeking out the window, but that also happens between paragraphs.

>> No.11060433

>>11059838
No. The descriptions are the boy's attention, and he ha a massive quasi-religious, first-lust crush on her. She does nothing unusual, and doesn't flirt with him at all.

>> No.11060716

>>11060416
Him fantasizing does add something to the conversation at the end. When the woman says "O, I never said such a thing," he realizes he never had a conversation with her which is why he feels so angry and vain
>>11060431
If he didn't imagine it, why did it confuse him so much?

>> No.11060804

>>11056683
strange so did I...did your prof pair it with A&P by Updike?

>> No.11061144

>>11060716
Do you remember talking to your first crush when you were a young lad? It's nerve racking.
Plus most fantasized conversations I have are very clear and I work my response to perfection. They are always more charming than real life conversations.

>> No.11061438

>>11060804
Kind of. SoCal?