/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11038409]

*realises existence precedes essence 400 years before western hacks*

[Anonymous No.11038435]

>>11038409
Arabic scholars,
/rip, why are they so unpopular?

[Anonymous No.11038464]

>>11038435
Western aesthetic sensibilities are opposed to Arabic ones.

[Anonymous No.11038533]

Isn't Mulla Sadra a Neoplatonist/emanationist? Why would he believe existence precedes essence? Muslim anon here, never studied Sadra before, so I don't know much about him.

[Anonymous No.11038631]

Why is jordan peterson wearing a turban?

[Anonymous No.11038637]

>>11038464
Care to extrapolate?

[Anonymous No.11038639]

>>11038435
white ppl be racist and islamophobic

[Anonymous No.11038662]

>>11038533
He uses the idea that existence precedes essence as a solution to the problem of free will and the existence of evil. Basically, Allah decides on the existence of things, while their essence is up to change.

[Anonymous No.11038702]

>>11038631
Lel
>>11038662
Yeah, I'll be honest: I don't get it. How can an essence change? The moment it changes it's a different essence. Maybe you read a poor translation? Maybe substance would be a better word? I'm probably just misunderstanding you. I know Seyyed Hossein Nasr is a student of Sadra's philosophy, so I do want to check it out some time.

[Anonymous No.11038720]

>>11038435
>>11038464
He's Iranian.

[Anonymous No.11038725]

>>11038720
same thing

[Anonymous No.11038726]

>>11038725
He probably wrote in Arabic anyway

[Anonymous No.11038740]

>>11038662
>problem of free will and evil
I don’t have time for lower philosophy

[Anonymous No.11038745]

>>11038740
Mulla Sadra is mainly a metaphysics guy. Very deep stuff.

[Anonymous No.11038768]

>>11038745
oh anon

[Anonymous No.11038770]

*blocks your Thomism*

[Anonymous No.11038822]

>blocks your ontology

[Anonymous No.11038935]

>>11038435
>>11038464
>Arabic
I'm sorry to inform you, but you're persophiles
>>11038639
Persians are white and Shiaism isn't Islam.

[Anonymous No.11039348]

>>11038822
Me on the right.

[Anonymous No.11039428]

>>11038720
And thus an Aryan middle eastern remnant. Some of you are so stupid. Everything is about race. Show me a 'muslim' scholar or thinker and it'll likely be an Indo-European leftover or rape baby and not an actual arab.

[Anonymous No.11039437]

>>11038631
severely underrated

[Anonymous No.11039440]

>>11039348
My nigga (literally, Krishna means black)

[Anonymous No.11040677]

>>11038435
the wrong side of islam won out

[Anonymous No.11040685]

>>11038822
>>11039348
>>11039440
going ashtavakra gita right now, into it. what's the difference between that and bhagavad gita?

[Anonymous No.11040701]

>>11040685
Bhagavad Gita is more "grounded", it's about fulfilling our duties and achieving supreme realization through action. The other is more radical-nondualist, the world is an illusion etc

[Anonymous No.11040780]

>>11040701
not reading ashtavakra by coincidence then. thanks

[Anonymous No.11040791]

>>11040701
>achieving supreme realization through action

As Sankaracharya clearly notes; it teaches two paths, that of action and that of knowledge. The previous being a means of preparation for, and leading up to the second, both ultimately achieving the same result.

[Anonymous No.11040883]

>>11038720
>muh Iranians are an untouched gem of Aryans of yore meme
They are shitskins just like the rest of the area.

[Anonymous No.11041166]

>>11038435
>Arabic
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11041184]

>>11038409
Wasn't it "Essence precedes existence" ?

[Anonymous No.11041856]

>>11038935
>Persians are white
>t. shahraband sharmutavi

[Anonymous No.11041897]

>>11039440
>Krishna means black
>is blue

[Anonymous No.11041905]

>existence precedes essence

I seriously hope none of you believe this

[Anonymous No.11041922]

>>11040883
>>11041856
Few sincerely believe Persians are "white." But Aryans who were white settled in Persia thousands of years ago and over time mixed with mud people and endured arab invasions and became nonwhite. Some, especially the Persian elites, still have Aryan features and their genetic legacy means they are more functional than the surrounding semites, as well as a natural ally against a mutual enemy like Israel, but they are still not "white."

[Anonymous No.11041974]

>>11041905
Yeah, there is no essence. There isn't existence either.

[Anonymous No.11042044]

>>11041856
>>11041922
>>11040883
>caring about the complexions of the Saracen misbelievers

[Anonymous No.11042095]

>>11038435
because apperently islam was started by a "warlord" when all the battles that Mohamed fought were in self-defense and fought with very strict rules about POW, killing women and children etc.
Meanwhile the "peaceful" line of popes started 4 fucking crusades, the last of which ended with the sacking of Constantinople for no reason other than to steal money.
The crusades really show the end-game of both Christianity and islam.
While Richard the lionheart was a ruthless, salty cunt, Saladin treated every religion with respect, never sacked a city and the only "damage" he imposed on a non-muslim was some taxes.
He fucking treated Richard while he was on his deathbed by the way, Saladin was a physician.
Oh, and despite causing a decades long struggle, killing any kind of diplomacy between east and west and creating the perfect amount of strife for the kikes to rise to power behind the scenes, the crusaders were never able to take Jerusalem.

[Anonymous No.11042112]

>>11042044
haha deus vult epic

[Anonymous No.11042117]

>>11042095
>>11042095
Ah yes, the peaceful adoption of Islam in Iberia and Persia

[Anonymous No.11042124]

>>11042117
self-defense

[Anonymous No.11042125]

>>11039440
But niggers are brown

[Anonymous No.11042126]

>>11042095
>all the battles that Mohamed fought were in self-defense
Anon, please. Not even this board is stupid enough to fall for these retarded tricks.

[Anonymous No.11042131]

>>11042126
name me some that weren't

[Anonymous No.11042191]

>>11042095
>Islam
Might be yet another jewish machination. Not even surprising to me at this point, knowing what I do about jews.

http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.bg/2017/06/how-jews-created-islam-word-muslim.html?m=1

[Anonymous No.11042199]

>>11042191
You can say what you want, but Egypt (muslim) is the only country to properly stand up to the kikes and they even beat them by using some high-level kike tricks in the 10th of ramadan war.

[Anonymous No.11042215]

>>11038409
What are some philosophers from the middle east

[Anonymous No.11042266]

>>11039440
>>11041897
>spinning disc
>lotus flower
>conch shell
>spire
That's Vishnu, silly.

>>11041922
Few sincerely believe Americans are "white." But Aryans who were white settled in America hundreds of years ago and over time mixed with mud people and endured Mexican invasions and became nonwhite. Some, especially the American elites, still have Aryan features and their genetic legacy means they are more functional than the surrounding mutts, but they are still not "white."

[Anonymous No.11042273]

>>11042199
I'll go you one further: it was Egypt that gave us the first well-documented jewish expulsion. But while what you say may be true (I don't think it is since Lebanon has embarrassed the jews more recently), jews have since been giving white people's tax money, probably in the billions by now, to Egypt to keep them from going at Israel again, so that's ultimately not much of a victory. The world is at war with jews because jews are at war with the world, and our collective goal this century should be to zionize/quarantine them then put that aid money to real use by getting Iran and the surrounding arabs to sack them.

[Anonymous No.11042281]

>>11042266
Americans are like 99% white, so there's little to no nonwhite admixture among the population. (Yes, I don't count nonwhites as American.) D&C elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.11042287]

>>11042273
to be fair that aid money wasn't going anywhere but Mubarak's pockets.
Egypt has just now started really ramping up the military and developing the areas outside the nile banks like sinai.
It'll happen soon anon, I hope.

[Anonymous No.11042344]

>>11042281
As far as I know it's closer to 56%

[Anonymous No.11042352]

>>11042095
I'm not even against Islam in its entirety but your view of history is skewed as fuck.

[Anonymous No.11042367]

>>11042352
Prove me wrong? Tell me how Christianity is the religion of peace when at best it's applied kikism and at worst it caused almost 1000 years of ignorance, war, death and famine.
Oh wait, lemme guess, the middle ages weren't REAL Christianity right?
christcucks cant even fucking decide who to pray to.

[Anonymous No.11042455]

>>11042095
You are the kind of people who will call others islamophobe just because they don't fucking lie throught their teeth about history.

[Anonymous No.11042463]

>>11038409
>*realises existence precedes essence 400 years before western hacks*
Too bad that's wrong.

[Anonymous No.11042549]

>>11042095
>>11042367
>le reddit historian
Why are you even on /lit/? It's apparent you have never read a book

[Anonymous No.11042608]

>>11042367
Arguing which religion is more peaceful, Christianity or Islam, is like arguing which milk substitute came from plant matter, onions milk or almond milk

[Anonymous No.11042749]

>>11042608
That comparison goes above my head.

[Anonymous No.11042773]

>>11042273
>>11042287
The only real Egyptians are Copts.

[Anonymous No.11042784]

>>11042773
Oh you mean the Copts that took all their money and belongings the second any kind of tension happened and now live in Staten Island, NY?
Yeah, real Egyptians alright.

[Anonymous No.11042792]

>>11042549
Make an argument or fuck off nigger

[Anonymous No.11042793]

>>11042784
There are still Copts in Egypt.

[Anonymous No.11042823]

>>11042455
I despite left leaning "Muslims", like Linda sarsour and the rest of the MB, Qatar and Israel funded faggots.
I hate that term, and all the other *phobia memespeak. I'm just simply making an argument against that christcucks and poltards constantly make.
Again, they can't even give me a concrete answer on who the fuck Jesus is. Nor can any christcuck tell me who killed him.

[Anonymous No.11042833]

>>11042793
I can't respect people that advocate fleeing the country when anything bad happens.
I know many Copts and literally all the youth want nothing more than to move to america or Europe despite Sisi doing his absolute best to modernize and fix Egypt.
No, they'd rather move to america, lose their culture and their religion and assimilate into the collective applied kikery that is the U.S.
I was fucking born in this shithole (the US) and I'd die for my country in a heartbeat, I highly doubt any of them can say the same.

[Anonymous No.11042835]

Redpill me on the copts

[Anonymous No.11042874]

>>11042835
Traitorous fucks that betrayed the Byzantines by inviting the Muslims in and ever since they've done nothing good for Egypt.
They would help the crusader armies against Saladin by feeding them info on his tactics. I can't find a source for that right now though.
Also during the 10th of Ramadan war most of the Egyptian spies for Israel were Copts.

[Anonymous No.11042900]

>>11042833
>Sisi doing his absolute best to modernize and fix Egypt.
Here's your (You)

[Anonymous No.11042932]

>>11042900
Is there a problem, faggot?

[Anonymous No.11042961]

>>11041905
anyone else here remember the orthodox shitposter who claimed "existence precedes essence" was an orthodox belief. she went by the trip constantine. i kinda miss her desu

[Anonymous No.11042982]

>>11042932
if the best you can do is being worse than mubarak you don't deserve any sympathy

[Anonymous No.11042993]

>>11042874
Sound like crypto-jews.

[Anonymous No.11043007]

>>11042874
I forgot to mention that also during the war they would send their sons off to europe and the US to "study" so they could avoid fighting, while the muslims in the army fought and tore down the bar lev line while they were fucking fasting. Of course, there were copts that fought and died for their country and they have my respect, but the vast majority was against the war and were totally fine with egypt getting cucked out of a massive chunk of land.

[Anonymous No.11043021]

>>11041922
the dark iranians resemble the natives of iran a lot more than you realize, you have no idea what the indo-aryans looked like, no one knows what the andronovans looked like besides “light eyes” “light hair” “pale skin” which means about as much as a general description of most central asians means. there are tawny haired turkics, so its likely they were not nordic at all in appearance, and none of the most ancient artwork of the greco-aryans shows people who look nordic at all, the ancient germanics went out of their way to depict themselves as specifically nordic, with tall dolicephalic skulls, narrow faces, steely eyes, thin lips and wide mouths, high cheekbones. this isn’t at all what the ancient dorians or iranians or hittites looked like. so they’re not the same group, and so calling them white is unwittingly extending a category to people you normally would not have

[Anonymous No.11043028]

>>11043021
this is the only iranian I care about
a true philosopher-queen

[Anonymous No.11043050]

>>11042191
you’re fucking retarded and should be punched in the mouth for posting autistic misinformation

[Anonymous No.11043094]

>>11042095
>making up facts 300 years after the fact (the Quran, as it is, was written at least 200 years after Muhammad).

[Anonymous No.11043096]

>>11042608
What the literal fuck does this mean?

[Anonymous No.11043129]

>>11043094
It was not 200 years, more like 5-10.
And Omar did that for a very specific reason, many people "worshiped" mohamed and left islam after he died.
There was a lot of dissent and many people with agendas along with morons calling themselves "allah's next prophet" and other morons believing them.
In order to preserve the integrity of the Quran he had to filter out all that autism first which took a while.
Compare that to christcucks that follow a kike book, multiple different editions of the bible (which was not written by jesus, nor did jesus have any involvement with it), and now have a pope that claims hell doesn't exist and forgives the jews for killing his alleged fucking god.

[Anonymous No.11043277]

>>11043129
The Samarkand Kufic Quran was written 8th or 9th century (oldest quran accepted by muslim community). Who knows what fabrications the Quran has, can the Caliphs really be trusted to not have ratified whatever they wished? Then make up rules that Allah "changes as he please".

Everything can be a fabrication of Uthman and Abu Bakr.

[Anonymous No.11043301]

>>11043277
>can the Caliphs really be trusted to not have ratified whatever they wished?
yes
these are people who fought with the prophet, risked their lives for him and for islam and had undying loyalty. They're also the only people other than the prophet who were shown their place in paradise, they have no reason to have any ill will towards islam, allah or mohamed.
Uthman fought in many wars for islam, and Abu Bakr, despite being the wealthiest man in mecca donated his money to muslims and islam to the point of bankruptcy.
There's a reason we get so mad at the edgy shiite faggots when they disrespect the Prophet's companions.
>>11043277
>Then make up rules that Allah "changes as he please".
Elaborate and I'll try my best to explain.
A lot of things about islam and the quran are hidden behind a wall of western terror funding, retarded arabs and shiites being dummies.

[Anonymous No.11043344]

>>11043301
St. Nick verses for five hundred.

[Anonymous No.11043352]

>>11043344
I'm being serious anon, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.11043423]

[Anonymous No.11043448]

/thread

[Anonymous No.11043487]

This guy was around 1000BC?

[Anonymous No.11043499]

>>11043487
anon...that's 1600 years before islam even existed

[Anonymous No.11043518]

>>11043499
DONT CALL MY ANON STUPID

[Anonymous No.11043538]

>>11043499
Wow, he must have been a genius then!

[Anonymous No.11043593]

>>11043301
Abrogation.
it's retarded

[Anonymous No.11043601]

>>11043593
as in Naskh (tafsir)

[Anonymous No.11043734]

>>11043593
>>11043601
It's not and here's why
If it was just one interpretation you would ostracize many people, it's a form of mercy, it stops someone from saying "you're not acting exactly how X verse is literally translated, you're going to hell".
This only really applies to social issues, islam has 5 clear pillars that don't need tafsir and other laws that are clear cut.
Tafsir is the reason why in a country that isn't KIKE'D like Egypt a woman has a choice in wearing the hijab. It's why you don't get your hand cut off if you miss a credit card payment, etc.
One of the first things that CIA funded extremists do is establish one view point (usually very exclusionary) and ban any kind of other interpretation, we saw that in 2013 when the MB had power in Egypt and tried to force their way into Al Azhar.
I invite you to read some non-whabbi literature like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Metwali_Al_Shaarawy
if he has anything translated.
I don't agree with his view on organ transplants but everything else is fantastic and is in stark contrast to the disgusting, CIA funded whabbi extremist bullshit that's being spread around from both sunnis and shiites.

[Anonymous No.11043752]

>>11043734
Exactly, Islam is supposed to be flexible. Another way that I see it is that since the Quran is the final revelation it had to be a kind of microcosm of revelation as such, and the history of revelation was often that a new prophet would arrive and abrogate the revelations of a former prophet. The Quran recreates this history within itself. That's just my own pet theory. Masha'Allah, brother. Good post.

[Anonymous No.11043761]

>>11043752
That's the correct theory. Prophets continue onward as time goes by, with more space in between them also.

God is real. And you, are a good poster :)

[Anonymous No.11043772]

>>11043752
>>11043761
Wtf is this, arabs posting on /lit/?

Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.11043789]

>>11043752
It doesn't recreate history as much as it does abridge it. We get the stories of the important prophets like Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, Jacob, Yusef, the revelations that are relevant to the prophet, rules to follow, some philosophy a bit of metaphysics etc.
>>11043772
I literally wuz kangz, don't know if you'd consider that arab or not.

[Anonymous No.11043805]

>>11043789
>It doesn't recreate history as much as it does abridge it
Hence, I said it was a microcosm.
>>11043772
Arabs are a minority of Muslims. I'm not an Arab.

[Anonymous No.11043899]

>>11042367
>le reddit historian imagination of the middle ages
You'd wish being a medieval farmer if you knew how people lived back then.

[Anonymous No.11043954]

>>11043899
>You'd wish being a medieval farmer if you knew how people lived back then.
like literal slaves in constant poverty and famine unless you were born in the top 20% or were willing to die on the battlefield for the pope's gold box?
Nice.

[Anonymous No.11043971]

>>11043954
While the islamic world lived in constant peace...

[Anonymous No.11043979]

>>11043971
until the pope found out that they had gold and silver to pillage, of course.

[Anonymous No.11043991]

>>11043971
No, but Sharia guarantees people certain rights that Christians didn't have, like relatively low taxes (zakat is only 2.5%), while Christian kings could pretty much levy as much as they wanted from their people.

[Anonymous No.11044003]

>>11043991
you forgot to mention that the arabs were also tolerate of christians and jews, sadly the latter got too big and ended up destroying the region until modern times basically.

[Anonymous No.11044019]

>>11038409
The essence of my will must have preceded my existence, otherwise I'd be a fucking mess.
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.11044022]

>>11043979
>>11043991
>>11044003
Epic bait binge my friend, god bless!

[Anonymous No.11044034]

>>11044022
tell me about the 4th crusade nigger

[Anonymous No.11044038]

>>11044022
God I hate this kike.

[Anonymous No.11044040]

>>11044022
>lives in modern western country
>probably pays exorbitant tax rate
>literally cucked by a bunch of greasy oligarchs that own his country

[Anonymous No.11044047]

>>11044034
No, but I keep (you)ing you because I appreciate your bait effort.

[Anonymous No.11044050]

>>11044040
god I fucking despise this kiked up "muslim" whore
I can't stand israel but Palestinians are fucking mistake

[Anonymous No.11044076]

>>11043899
>You'd wish being a medieval farmer if you knew how people lived back then.

HOL UP
*dies of diarrhea*
SO YOU BE SAYIN
*toils under the sun all the day*
WE
*gets the vast majority of the fruits of his labor taken from every year without being able to do anything about it*
WE WUZ
*dies of plague*
FARMERS
*lives his brief and painful life knowing that king owns him and can do with him whatever he pleases, even killing him out of a whim*
N' SHIT
*dies from infection*

[Anonymous No.11044304]

>>11043593
>>11043601
>Naskh
You know I thought this was a cool idea until I realised the "revelations" got more brutal against Jews and Christians as time went on and "God" added shit like "you have to pay to speak with the prophet".

[Anonymous No.11044315]

>>11044304
You realize the Prophet (PBUH) gave away most of his income to the poor and needy? He was known as al-Amin for a reason.

[Anonymous No.11044394]

>>11042773
>>11042784
>>11042793
>>11042833
There's literally no real difference between Muslim and Christian Egyptians. Anyone claiming there is is full of shit. And there's still 20 million Copts in Egypt.

[Anonymous No.11044985]

>>11043301
>these are people who fought with the prophet, risked their lives for him and for islam and had undying loyalty. They're also the only people other than the prophet who were shown their place in paradise

Really? Other than you know, Ali, the first male muslim convert and Muhammad's children (who his wife Ayesha and the other caliphs tried to have killed)? Real lack of "ill will" there towards mohamed

[Anonymous No.11045025]

>>11044985
None of the Rashidun Caliphs "tried to have Ali killed", and Ayesha fought a battle with him that was instigated by certain soldiers under their command, but Ayesha made her peace with Ali afterwards.

[Anonymous No.11045086]

>>11045025
>Aisha, along with an army including Zubayr ibn al-Awam and Talha ibn Ubayd-Allah, confronted Ali's army, demanding the prosecution of Uthman's killers who had mingled with his army outside the city of Basra. When her forces captured Basra she ordered the execution of 600 Muslims and 40 others, including Hakim ibn Jabala, who were put to death in the Grand Mosque of Basra.[77][78][79] Aisha's forces are also known to have tortured and imprisoned Othman ibn Hanif the governor of Basra appointed by Ali.[80]

>hen her forces captured Basra she ordered the execution of 600 Muslims and 40 others, including Hakim ibn Jabala, who were put to death in the Grand Mosque of Basra.[77][78][79] Aisha's forces are also known to have tortured and imprisoned Othman ibn Hanif the governor of Basra appointed by Ali.[80]

Yeah, right, she din dun nuffin, she a gud grill

She only made peace because she lost the battle of the camel and was probably scared of getting her head chopped off otherwise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Role_during_caliphate