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>every woman in his stories is an extremely emotional, irrational creature who freaks out for no reason and refuses to explain herself
Was any author more redpilled on women than Dostoevsky?

>> No.11031373

>>11031371
>Was any author more redpilled on women than Dostoevsky?
Tolstoj

>> No.11031403

>Max [Brod's] objection to Dostoyevsky, that he allows too many mentally ill persons to enter.
Kafka's diaries, 20 December 1914

>> No.11031408

>>11031403
But what if mentally ill people are the sane ones in his novels.. hmmmmm....

>> No.11031411

>>11031371

AUTHORS WHOSE FEMALE CHARACTERS ARE ALL BORDERLINE-PSYCHOTIC (BUT WE LOVE 'EM ANYWAY)

GOLD: Fyodor Dostoevsky
>Examples: Katerina (The Brothers Karamazov); Nastasya (The Idiot)

SILVER: Philip K. Dick
>Examples: They're all the same woman.
Rachel (Do Androids Dream); That psycho from Confessions of a Crap Artist; That psycho from Flow My Tears... etc

BRONZE: Raymond Chandler
>Examples: Carmen (The Big Sleep); Little Velma (Farewell My Lovely), etc

HONOURABLE MENTIONS: William Faulkner (Dewey Dell Bundren, Addie Bundren, Rosa Coldfield); D.H.Lawrence (Gudren Brangwen)

>> No.11031415

>>11031371
>le red pill xD
kys

>> No.11031417

>>11031371
>every character in his stories is an extremely emotional, irrational creature who freaks out for no reason and refuses to explain themselves
ftfy

>> No.11031428

>>11031371
>>every woman in his stories is an extremely emotional, irrational creature who freaks out for no reason and refuses to explain herself
nah

>> No.11031440

>>11031371
Doesn't apply to Sonia.

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>>11031411
>Examples: They're all the same woman.

>> No.11031464

>>11031371
Sade.

>> No.11031473

>>11031411
Dosto and PKD had bad experience with women.
I don't know anything about Chandler and what the fuck is Faulkner's problem? Seriously.
DHL is a complete retard.

>> No.11031475

Ive only read Crime and Punishment, but to me all the females came off more as delicate and fair minded.
Even Sonia was shown to be a suffering mirror to Rodion, both having their respective arcs.

Ive never read anything else of his, as Ive said, but to me in Crime and Punishment he wrote his idealized version of women. Whether Rodions mother, sister or love interest.

>> No.11031480

>>11031371
Most of the men in his stories were weirdo criminals or neurotic depressives too. Anyone who thinks that Dosto was a misogynist needs to read The Meek One.

>> No.11031481

>>11031473
PKD was also soundly convinced that he had a twin sister, absorbed in utero. He literally thought he shared a body with the soul of his sister.

Goddamn PKD was awesome. Did anyone ever manage to get through his Exegesis?

>> No.11031488

>>11031371
He was just a misanthrope. Almost all of his characters were fucked up, male or female.

>> No.11031489

>>11031473

Well I was in two minds about including Faulkner because I don't think his women are really any worse than his men. (Most of his men are completely insane and some of his women aren't.)
DHL is OK but a little of him goes a long way once one is past the age of 18.

>> No.11031490

>>11031371
Schopenhauer

>> No.11031491

>>11031371
>Be Dante
>Every woman in your stories is an angelic creature
Was any author more redpilled on women than Dante?

>> No.11031502

>>11031489
I mean, Faulkner seems to have some serious issues in general. Is being a southerner really that bad or did a nigger rape him in his sleep?

>> No.11031503

He just couldn't write.

>> No.11031504

>>11031371
>he has never read Crime & Punishment
>feels capable of commenting upon Dosto
There's the door, anon.

>> No.11031506

>>11031491

Yeah, Dante didn't really do evil women much. In hell there's just Francesca (who wasn't that bad, she just had a moment of weakness with a handsome young man who wasn't her husband) and Medusa (who isn't technically a human woman anyway).

I don't believe he really thought all women were as awesome as Beatrice though - he just didn't think about them at all.

>> No.11031509

>>11031371
OP either hasn't read or has forgotten Crime and Punishment, but here he is to overgeneralize nonetheless.

>> No.11031513

>>11031502

Faulkner's great. A little overwrought but he's the man.

>> No.11031531

>>11031509

Lots of Dostoevsky women are mad but not all of them. And Dostoevsky certainly loved women, just as Somerset Maugham certainly hated them and Herman Melville certainly didn't even realize they existed.

>> No.11031563

>>11031531
> and Herman Melville certainly didn't even realize they existed.
thank you for this little kek

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>>11031371
>an extremely emotional, irrational creature who freaks out for no reason and refuses to explain herself
But that describes every one of Dosto's characters

>> No.11032004

>>11031488
>Dostoevsky
>misanthrope
You severely misread NFTU

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11032016

>u will never have aglaia epanchin waifu

>> No.11032033

>>11031488
No he wasn’t. He was cynical, yes, but not misanthropic.

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>>11032016
Is it possible to love a literary figure?

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>>11032084
yes, anon. yes it is

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>>11032016
>no claire de cintré waifu

>> No.11032127

>>11032033
He was neither cynical nor misanthropic.
Although a lot of his books feature an edgy character or two they usually serve as an antithesis to the main idea it expresses. While it's obvious that they are to a large extent based on himself and he is sympathetic of them their outlook is one that he felt he overcame.

>> No.11032574

>dude women aren't like that we are so complex and men could never portrayed us well so just stop like literally we are so complex

>> No.11032587

Every character in Dosto's work is like this and the fact that you narrowed in on the women while ignoring the irrational men he portrays (Underground Man, Raskolnikov, etc.) probably says something about you

>> No.11032649

>>11032587
yeah like what a sexist go back to /r9k/ haha wow