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>Sartre, in later life, would come to acknowledge this psychological entanglement of identities, writing “while I believed that I was describing the Jew in Anti-Semite and Jew, I was describing myself.”[5] I suggest that psychological mechanisms evident here in Sartre, alongside his ostensibly impartial literary/philosophical defense of the Jews, provide a useful counter-argument to the idea of ‘pathological altruism’ in White actions on behalf of minorities, at least among the more radical and dedicated of such socio-political actors. Essentially, in what may be described as self-deception, or a variation on the Marxist theme of ‘false consciousness,’ Sartre and those like him feel abandoned or targeted by their surrounding culture, and then begin to see themselves as having interests (often highly abstract rather than material) different from that culture. They then construct ideological frameworks in which they advance these wholly adopted interests but do so in such a way as to deceive themselves that these ideologies are moral-intellectual crusades rather than what they truly are — an elaborate flight from the weakness of the Self. It’s quite possible that there is a similar dynamic going on with many sexual non-conformists (LGBTQ…) who become hostile to traditional institutions and values because they have low social status within the traditional framework and then develop theories which condemn traditional values and institutions and in which their own particular sexual orientation is seen as morally above reproach or even superior to heterosexuality. Of course, a similar dynamic is likely in the case of Jews become hostile to the traditional social order because they see it as anti-Jewish.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/04/17/sartres-anti-semite-and-jew-a-critique-part-one/

>> No.11016995

>>11016992
Holy shit the /pol/ spamming is unstoppable today

>> No.11017016

>>11016995
Pol has nothing to do with the post and I, the OP, has never posted there. Provide relevant input or hold your post, thanks.

>> No.11017057

there should be a word filter for pol

>> No.11017558

>>11016992
That's actually a very interesting idea. I think Marxist thought and its derivatives come up with very many good concepts, but it's the application of those concepts and the subsequent conclusions they reach which are flawed.

>> No.11017625

>>11017558
That's because Marxism is and always was a tool jews use to attack whites. If it was designed or implemented by whites it would be something entirely different, as it arguably was if you are of the persuasion that the ideas originate from non-jews like Heidegger, Nietzsche, etc.

>> No.11017649

>>11016992
>an elaborate flight from the weakness of the Self.
we can condense almost everything everybody does to this. It's all repression of basic inadequacy and narcissistic reinterpretation of the world for ego protection

literally almost everything

>> No.11017691
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11017691

>>11017649
Sounds like something that someone with a weak Self would say desu

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>>11017625
>I'm not a /pol/poster I sweeeaaaar
>Also have you heard that we've discovered the jews evil plot to commit white genocide?

Piss off cunt

>> No.11017704

>>11017699
seething

>> No.11017720

>>11017016
Anon what is your point in posting this? You just dropped a block quote and didn't give any of your own input, so either this is bait due to the /pol/ subject matter or you don't understand how dialogues work.

>> No.11017737

>>11017691
well no shit, im not magically exempt from the universal pattern

>> No.11017763

>>11017720
There is no "pol subject matter" here. The jewish question goes back thousands of years, it has nothing to do with pol except in the limited minds of people who for some odd reason think that people started realizing jews were the problem in 2012 instead of 2000 BC. I'm also only halfway done with the article but don't feel obliged to provide commentary regardless.

>> No.11017771

>>11017737
Well if you admit that you're reinterpreting the world to hide your weakness in Self, how could I possible trust you to make accurate universal claims?

>> No.11017787

>>11017771
you can't, you can however try to interpret people's behavior and beliefs through this lens and see how accurate your results are.

This should be extremely unpleasant, because you have to realize a bunch of things about yourself you really dont want to think about, as well as about people who are close to you and you care for.

I swear it's incredibly accurate though.

>> No.11017804

>>11017787
Well obviously everyone has some things they do out of of repression (some way more than others), but to claim that it applies to most things, let alone almost all of them, seems incredibly extreme, unsubstantiated, and frankly a little paranoid.

>> No.11017965

>>11017763
Hey faggot, if you’re not from /pol/ (you are) go shitpost there instead. They are all pathological ideologues over there you’ll fit right in.

>> No.11018053

>>11017699
Nice argument friend

You're either Jewish or a commie brainlet, kill yourself

>> No.11018063

>>11016995
>>11017057
>>11017699
Fuck off leftypol defence league

>> No.11019080

>>11017965
lol read some political theory before saying crap like that

>> No.11019095

imo is not jews is the conflict between judaism and protestant-tier christianity; can see this with the history of anabptism

the ironic part is that the judaic part is which spurred the philosophical basis for fascism and neo-nazism, the christian reinterpretation is what fueled atheist marxist jews; white/european victim ideologuies like fash and natsoc are white zionism

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>>11017016
>>11017625

>> No.11019127

>>11019095
I recommend tightening up your spelling and working on coherent sentence formation before posting on the internet.

>> No.11019128

>>11016992
Mods, delete this thread please. /lit/ won't improve until the right wing scum feel unwelcome again.

>> No.11019133

>>11019119
you know you can just look for info on zionism and find literal 10/10 /pol/ baits out of international ongs, right?

>> No.11019139

>>11019127
fuck off, this is how you retards speak in here, i just adopted your retard-tier style

>> No.11019147

>>11019128
>plz mods defend me from western history, i just want consumist atomization

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11019150

>>11019133
sage this illiterate thread

>> No.11019162

>>11019150
:'(
noooo dont say things that are true, culture is beautiful and wasnt turned into a political vehicle

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>>11019139
>i was only pretending to be retarded

>> No.11019234

>>11019226
in terms of the writing style yeah, i was beaten down to type like what i guess is american texting style; but my point remains, "white nationalism" is both zionist and deeply judaic in its theology, and "jewish marxists" are atheists but morally christian, successors of anabaptism

>> No.11019245

One of the most autistic threads I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

>> No.11019286

>>11019234
still waiting for one of you big brain niggas to debunk this, i have the feeling you can't, thus the squirming

>> No.11019291

>>11019234
White nationalists are wise to bring up zionism, as they are wise to note how the main people attacking white people who promote a white homeland are zionist kikes like David Brooks, who writes weekly articles condemning white "tribalism" while his own spawn is serving in the jewish ethnostate whites have lost thousands of lives protecting.

Whites hate double standards, and a fast way to get them to acknowledge the jewish problem is to highlight the double standards jews daily advance.

>> No.11019326

>>11019291
but the question is: Don't white nationalists
1- engage in their own version of zionism, including "jewish sophism" tactics
and
2- reject Christ yet retain a watered down version of abrahamic theology thats quite literally Judaism, chosen-tribe, "search for zion", etc

and isn't this a proof that anti-semitism is deeply rooted in jealousy for the jew?

>> No.11019405

>>11019326
White nationalists want to preserve the genetic future for whites in the west and in Europe. Jews want to do the same for their own people, which is why Israel was established. The problem lies with jews using their nepotistically obtained positions in white institutions to attack whites who promote the same issues jews do for Israel. Jews are a sick people no white man in his right mind would be jealous of, and the problem with jews is very much rooted in the jewish slave religion people like yourself adhere to. Abrahamism is for semites, not people from the occident.

>> No.11019414

>>11019405
But whites seek to create networks of prowhite people to help in nepotistic ways so they can get power and form the ethnostate

And sorry but your "woke" Christ rejection is literal Judaism

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>its a Naziboo mutts think they represent "the West" episode
it's decline, perhaps!

>> No.11019436

>>11019430
it's future you mean

>> No.11019438

>>11019414
Christianity is judaism. Literally. Whites promoting policies that are beneficial to the long-term interests of whites is simply natural.

>> No.11019450

>>11019438
Christianity is a revolution of judaism. Literally. There's nothing beneficial to Whites in acting like Jews.

Sartre explains it himself in the OP quote

>> No.11019560

>>11017965
Hi leftypol

>> No.11019575

>>11019560
>hurr durr everyone who isn't /pol/tard scum like me is /leftypol/
Kill yourself.

>> No.11019591

>>11016992
>. It’s quite possible that there is a similar dynamic going on with many sexual non-conformists (LGBTQ…) who become hostile to traditional institutions and values because they have low social status within the traditional framework and then develop theories which condemn traditional values and institutions and in which their own particular sexual orientation is seen as morally above reproach or even superior to heterosexuality

NO FUCKING SHIT

>> No.11019610

>>11019414
>But whites seek to create networks of prowhite people to help in nepotistic ways so they can get power and form the ethnostate
It's not as if this wasn't the norm for whites prior to the 60s, you seem to be implying that Jewish Zionists invented ethnocentrism and nationalism.

>> No.11019709

>>11019610
>It's not as if this wasn't the norm for whites
I disagree, this is an approach only taken when you see your group as a persecuted minority in a nation, is a "resistance" approach

>> No.11019758

>>11019450
>there's nothing beneficial to whites fighting on an even playing field
I agree, fellow white person :^)

>> No.11020233

>>11016995
>if something aligns with /pol/ it should stay there
Holy shit, /pol/ is the gas chamber and you're /lit/erally Hitler.

>> No.11020248

I wonder how many stormtards assume that Sartre was Jewish.

>> No.11021309

>>11020248
Nobody is assuming that. And "stormtard"? You living in 2007, bro?

>> No.11021541

>>11016992
>Of course, a similar dynamic is likely in the case of Jews become hostile to the traditional social order because they see it as anti-Jewish.
Nietzsche said it a century before in The Antichrist.

>> No.11022089

>>11019128
>please mods, i want to be on reddit but i'm too lazy to make an account

bash the fash and it's her turn amrite? don't you leftist vermin have some genre fiction to read instead of pulluting this site?

>> No.11023064

>>11016992
>It’s quite possible that there is a similar dynamic going on with many sexual non-conformists (LGBTQ…) who become hostile to traditional institutions and values because they have low social status within the traditional framework and then develop theories which condemn traditional values and institutions and in which their own particular sexual orientation is seen as morally above reproach or even superior to heterosexuality. Of course, a similar dynamic is likely in the case of Jews become hostile to the traditional social order because they see it as anti-Jewish.
I mean so what, OP.
This is basically all Foucault's been saying and developing the strategic tools for, by his own admission. Don't know much about Deleuze but I think him too.
Like, whatever. That's how all of us misfits/incels/basement-dwellers feel, and its admirable to try and do something about it so long as
>1. you're attacking those in power
>2. you don't ever possess power
>3. if not 2, then you're gonna be brought down
That's how it goes, man.

>> No.11023453

Identitarians on both side of the aisle are retarded, and one's "identity" is something no census-taker could ever deduce. Now those on the left are more excusable because they have been at least historically put-down on account of their demographics. But in a perfect world they would move beyond this. It is also funny to me how this very same author who uses such obfuscatory language likely rails against it when the French postmodernists use it--though on this count I shall have to remain content with speculation, as I will not click your fucking link to that hellish website, moron.

>> No.11023566

>>11019234
That's absolutely ridiculous and is countered by any empire that has existed prior to Judaism.

>> No.11023586

>>11019234
White nationalism isn't, historically, a religion. The concept of fascism has existed in the form of tyranny or absolute monarchies... I'm trying to understand where you're coming your start of civilization from and how narrowly defined it is. The heritage of fascism and ethnonationalism is old as all hell. Anglos used the term white in regards to themselves in the 1700s and earlier.
I'm not sure what you're quoting from or what you're using as your foundation.

>> No.11023597

>>11019326
Christianity is based in universalism or turning the goyim into God's chosen. Searching for Zion in Christianity is a different context of searching for Zion in the Jewish sense. You admitted that before so are you speaking about Catholicism, which is very globalist rn anyways?

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11023612

Why is every thread this week have to talk about jews?

>> No.11023640

>>11023612
Jews are a big problem in the west, and that problem is reaching a head.

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>>11023640
Well it's a good thing there's a board full of like minded individuals like yourself
it's called >>>/pol/ I suggest you check it out and stay over there

>> No.11023694

>>11023657
No thanks. Go to weddit if the JQ bothers you.

>> No.11023698

>>11023612
/pol/ is invading

>> No.11023715

>>11023698
Keep telling yourself that, loser. There are people like myself who have never been to pol who are here to talk about books, white culture, and the JQ.

>> No.11023726

>>11023640
They aren't the biggest problem though.

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>>11023726

>> No.11023794

>>11023763
They aren't. Ressentiment is.

>> No.11023796

>>11023698
They're just attracted by the anonymity, don't reply to them and the shallowness of their views will become obvious.

>> No.11023800

>>11023794
Well, they're the nation of it, par excellence.

>> No.11023806

>>11023715
see
>>11019119
saged this shit show of a thread

>> No.11023926

I like Sartre a bit more for that cognizance but the french post modernism movement was a mistake. It reminds me of Jefferson going nuts after his presidency realizing universalism is actually unrealistic

>> No.11023939

>>11023926
>It reminds me of Jefferson going nuts after his presidency realizing universalism is actually unrealistic
Care to expand on this Jeffersonian realization? My interest is piqued.

>> No.11024018

>>11023939
Yeah it's well documented that he was going crazy that his republicanism made the everyman turn towards religion and Jacksonian democracy and he was bitter after his presidency. Madison, his compadre, wasn't as bitter but Madison was a prior federalist so I'm not sure what his expectations were but Jefferson's were pie in the sky, everyone-is-going-to-become-a-gentleman tier republicanism. It was similar to how the french aristocracy thought before their downfall. They even had a point of "privilege." The most liberal was murdered in the streets.

All that I've read in Gordon Wood's Revolutionary Characters

>> No.11024038

>>11024018
Which it might be worth mentioning it was written in 2006 and by Gordon Wood

>> No.11024080

>>11024018
I don't know much about american history, thanks for the reference. I'll check out the book.

>> No.11024631

Does anyone have the image of /pol/ being Nazi Germany, /leftypol/ being the USSR, and /his/ being Poland?

>inb4 we're on /lit/
yeah i know