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11009726 No.11009726 [Reply] [Original]

What are some nice arguments agaisnt materialism?

>> No.11009762

Penises are made of materials

>> No.11009771

>>11009726
Stop being a loser and own nice things

>> No.11009934

Nothing in this materialistic universe of significance, unless applied.

>> No.11009958

>>11009934
*is of
shit

>> No.11010034
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>> No.11010046

>>11009726
Materialism is its own greatest enemy.
Try find a happy materialist.
I've seen more people happy with rice, steamed fish and the word of God for sustenance every day than people genuinely happy due to their possessions

>> No.11010076

>>11010046
Why do you christlarpers all write like you got a stick up your ass?

>the word of god for sustenance
I bet you everything you know more alternative atheists who are happy with a simple life without possessions than christians. Not that this is what people mean when they speak about materialism in a philosophic context.

>> No.11010082

>>11010076
The problem here isn't Christianity this guy is obviously just a worthless neet and you probably are as well

>> No.11010732

>>11010082
why are you inclined to believe that everyone is a NEET, and that they are worthless?

>> No.11010947

>>11010034
>implying implications
Godel's substantive work (the incompleteness theorems, other achievements in maths) has nothing to do with materialism, and everything he said on the topic was effectively unsubstantiated. He just felt some feelings.

>> No.11010971

>>11009726
what the fuck do you even mean by materialism its just a word that people use for all kinds of different things. Everyone keeps getting confused and conflates logically distinct issues because they're called by the same name.

>> No.11010995

>>11010947
the hilbert program was the holy grail of materilaism and gödel refuted its possibility of success

>> No.11011067

>>11009726

Materialism is just caking a dead wizard's a priori in fudge factors. The fact that it has no Language even vaguely congruent with its object of enquiry, that Matter has no definition, no elementary Phenomenal particle nor Empirical trace thereof; is all PROUDLY acknowledged by Materialists as necessary for maintaining Newtonian dogma.

>> No.11011111

>>11010947
>felt some feelings
like this?
>in his 1951 Gibbs lecture, Godel drew the following disjunctive conclusion from the incompleteness theorems : "either ... the human mind (even within the realm of pure mathematics) infinitely surpasses the power of any finite machine, or else there exist absolutely unsolvable diophantine problems." Godel speaks about this statement as a "mathematically established fact". Furthermore, Godel concludes that philosophical implications are, under either alternative, "very decidedly opposed to materialistic philosophy".

>According to Godel, the second alternative, where there exist absolutely undecidable mathematical problems, "seems to disprove the view that mathematics is only our own creation; for the creator necessarily knows all properties of his creatures ... so this alternative seems to imply that mathematical objects and facts ... exist objectively and independently of our mental acts and decisions". Godel was nonetheless inclined to deny the possibility of absolutely unsolvable problems, and although he did believe in mathematical Platonism, his reasons for this conviction were elsewhere, and he did not maintain that the incompleteness theorems alone establish Platonism. Thus Godel believed in the first disjunct, that the human mind infinitely surpasses the power of any finite machine.

https://www.cairn.info/revue-internationale-de-philosophie-2005-4-page-513.htm

>> No.11011173

You are born with nothing, and you will bring nothing with you when you die, only the things that you leave behind for others have any value. That's why scientis and philosophers will never be forgotten but rich people will. Basically, if you only work for yourseld you will regret not having any influence on others later in your life.

>> No.11012571

>>11010995
Hilbert had nothing to do with materialism.
A few Anglo-Viennese faggots thought it was about that, which it wasn't, and looked dumb when it was dropped.

>> No.11012587

>>11010732
cause it takes one to know one

>> No.11012643

>>11010046
Materialism isn't the same as greed, you brain dead christfag.

>> No.11012674

>>11011173
why should i want to affect anyone when im the only thing that actually exists in the universe. how quaint.

>> No.11012685

>>11009726
Define 'materialism', please.

>> No.11012727

>>11012587
This isn't me

>> No.11012738

>>11011111
>"seems to disprove the view that mathematics is only our own creation; for the creator necessarily knows all properties of his creatures ... so this alternative seems to imply that mathematical objects and facts ... exist objectively and independently of our mental acts and decisions"

This is so stupid it could be an argument from ancient greek philosophers

>> No.11012812

>>11009726
You experience through the ideal

>> No.11012817

>>11012685
"Materialism is a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature"

>> No.11014669

>>11012738
whats stupid about it?
>>11012571
hilbert may have not been a materialist, but showing impossibility of his program is also an a fortiori refutation of all materialist tenets.
inb4 more unsubstantiated slander