/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11008828]

Post some extremely esoteric shit

[Anonymous No.11008837]

>>11008828
Read the presocratics, specifically Heraclitus. Then the biblical Apocrypha. That’s my babby-tier esotericism.

[Anonymous No.11008843]

The gnostic scrolls of Nag Hammadi.

[Anonymous No.11008859]

>>11008837
Hermeticism is considered 'end game' by intro level peeps, and is actually intro core.
And hermeticism has been built on exactly what you've linked.

If you want actual esoteric stuff look into apollo worship and theurgery

[Anonymous No.11008865]

>>11008828

[Anonymous No.11008923]

>>11008828
This book is extremely rare. It's also in the Kynokephalos Mega that circulates /x/.
It's only on there because I happen to know Kynokephalos and gave him the ebook version of it I found using my evil powers of finding exotic books.

It's great read, btw. Seth and Horus were into that gay shit, it turns out.

[Anonymous No.11008931]

Bataille's work

[Anonymous No.11008937]

>>11008923
Here we go
Good stuff

[Anonymous No.11008947]

[Anonymous No.11008952]

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[Anonymous No.11008976]

magic is real guize

[Anonymous No.11008985]

>>11008976
can you summon me a gf pls

[Anonymous No.11008999]

>>11008985
pray over this twice a day, once at 7 am and once at 7 pm

[Anonymous No.11009113]

"external" "reality" cons you
Inner Light guides you

[Anonymous No.11009136]

>>11009113
"external light" "reality""physicality""body""substance"
is the lower self
"inner light"
"soul""higher conscious(of the mind)""God""Metaphysics"""Knowledge""Religion"""Mysticism"""

[Anonymous No.11009137]

>>11009136
inner light is the higher self

[Anonymous No.11009168]

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[Anonymous No.11009191]

>>11008828

https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ

[Anonymous No.11009199]

>>11008923
>Kynokephalos Mega
https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ!sVpi1RbT
this?
don't see anything about seth anywhere

[Anonymous No.11009278]

>>11008923
Link me up senpai

[Anonymous No.11009330]

The Three Tomes by Musbodijk

[Anonymous No.11009394]

>>11009137
>>11009136
>>11009113
people say loopy shit like this but really, how the fuck do you get an inner light?

do you activate it like some super saiyan shit, grunting as on a toilet, or is more subtle like activated charcoal or almonds?

also, why is it that when i say "yeah" in my mind, but clearly and audibly say "yo" with my vocal chords and mouth, women always comment that "yeah" is a weird greeting?

why is it that, when you look at lolis, old people tend to comment things like "hurt a child i'll break your neck" around you?

why do people respond to your emotions almost immediately if you send derision someone's way from another room, but they won't clean their fucking dishes out of the sink for weeks when you ask them?

[Anonymous No.11009496]

>>11009191

http://www.mediafire.com/file/gzu630r300es82o/seth_god_of_confusion.pdf

[Anonymous No.11009624]

Hyperborea was the Golden Age polar center of civilization and spirituality; mankind does not rise from the ape,
but progressively devolves into the apelike condition as it strays physically and spiritually from its mystical otherworldly homeland in the Far North,
succumbing to the demonic energies of the South Pole, the greatest point of materialization.

[Anonymous No.11010161]

>>11008828
The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols is actually the best intro text I've found. Great shit in there.

[Anonymous No.11010554]

>>11009136
>>11009137
>>11009113

>substance ontologies

ISHYGDDT

[Anonymous No.11010683]

/esoteric/ threads on /lit/ are getting much more frequent, we should start /esotericgeneral/

>>11008865
Anyone has a chart better than this one?

[Anonymous No.11010705]

>>11009136

[Anonymous No.11010718]

Everything by Carlos Castanedas and Carpentier

[Anonymous No.11010751]

>>11009330
>The Three Tomes by Musbodijk
lol this meme

[Anonymous No.11010793]

>>11008923
>Kynokephalos Mega
Link pls

[Anonymous No.11010806]

>>11008859
This. Egypt by way of the Greeks is esoteric. Piecing it all together and getting an image of pre-literate sacrificial cults and understanding the concept of sacrifice (of which libation is one rite) and its relation to Self and Other is esoteric in the extreme.

[Anonymous No.11010810]

why dont you spend your free time studying something thats actually valued in society, you absolute mongoloids.

[Anonymous No.11010813]

im debating if i should masturbate or take a nap, i think ill listen to that history of video games audiobook that was todays audible daily deal

[Anonymous No.11010818]

>>11010810
Decadent materialist detected

[Anonymous No.11010836]

>>11010810
why don't you abandon [[[aristotle]]] and discover the hidden universes under your eyelids, closer to you than your own jugular vein.

[Anonymous No.11010845]

mods those are not anti-semitic parentheses, they are anti-materialist brackets.

[Anonymous No.11010864]

>>11008828

[Anonymous No.11011065]

>>11010810
All the great scientists of the past were neck deep in this stuff. Even today many of those in positions of influence are connected to this area of interest regardless of any perspectives on conspiracy theories anyone may have which mostly fall under avoidance of the gnostic question anyway

[Anonymous No.11011086]

>>11011065

Upvote

[Anonymous No.11011135]

''When Zhuangzi was going to Ch' u he saw by the roadside a skull, clean and bare, but with every bone in its place. Touching it gently with his chariot-whip he bent over it and asked it saying, "Sir, was it some insatiable ambition that drove you to transgress the law and brought you to this? Was it the fall of a kingdom, the blow of an executioner's axe that brought you to this? Or had you done some shameful deed and could not face the reproaches of father and mother, of wife and child, and so were brought to this? Was it hunger and cold that brought you to this, or was it that the springs and autumns of your span had in due course carried you to this?"

Having thus addressed the skull, he put it under his head as a pillow and went to sleep. At midnight the skull appeared to him in a dream and said to him, "All that you said to me-- your glib, commonplace chatter-- is just what I should expect from a live man, showing as it does in every phrase a mind hampered by trammels from which we dead are entirely free. Would you like to hear a word or two about the dead?"

"I certainly would," said Zhuangzi.

"Among the dead," said the skull, "none is king, none is subject, there is no division of the seasons; for us the whole world is spring, the whole world is autumn. No monarch on his throne has joy greater than ours."

Zhuangzi did not believe this. "Suppose," he said, "I could get the Clerk of Destinies to make your frame anew, to clothe your bones once more with flesh and skin, send you back to father and mother, wife and child, friends and home, I do not think you would refuse."

A deep frown furrowed the skeleton's brow. "How can you imagine," it asked, "that I would cast away joy greater than that of a king on his throne, only to go back again to the toils of the living world?"

--Zhuangzi

莊子之楚,見空髑髏,髐然有形。撽以馬捶,因而問之,曰:「夫子貪生失理而為此乎?將子有亡國之事、斧鋮之誅而為此 乎?將子有不善之行,愧遺父母妻子之丑而為此乎?將子有凍餒之患而為此乎?將子之春秋故及此乎?」於是語卒,援髑髏,枕而臥。夜半,髑髏見夢曰:「向子之 談者似辯士,視子所言,皆生人之累也,死則無此矣。子欲聞死之說乎?」莊子曰:「然。」髑髏曰:「死,無君於上,無臣於下,亦無四時之事,從然以天地為春 秋,雖南面王樂,不能過也。」莊子不信,曰:「吾使司命復生子形,為子骨肉肌膚,反子父母、妻子、閭里、知識,子欲之乎?」髑髏深顰蹙額曰:「吾安能棄南 面王樂而復為人間之勞乎!」''

[Anonymous No.11011157]

>>11011086
..I..I unironically can't tell if you're being ironic or not good

[Anonymous No.11011400]

>>11010793
Someone posted a link to Seth: God of Confusion as well as several people posting the mega.
Read the thread, I ain't your mom

[Anonymous No.11011529]

>>11010810
making shiny toys that detract people from the fact that their lives lack meaning is what's valued in society

[Anonymous No.11011795]

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[Anonymous No.11011808]

>>11010845
Being anti materialist is inherently anti Semitic anon.

[Anonymous No.11011819]

>>11009624
Woke. What about hollow earth

[Anonymous No.11011828]

>>11010683
This image used to get posted a lot but I haven't seen it much last couple years.

[Anonymous No.11012006]

>tfw gay jew loverboy will never introduce you to the esoterica

[Anonymous No.11012034]

>>11008937
this just looks like the timeline of Orion's Arm

[Anonymous No.11012097]

At what point does esoterism become academic expressionism and scholar aestheticism? The new batch of occult and Egypto-Neoplatonist literature is near impossible to penetrate, not because of any symbolic polysemy, but academic abstruseness.

Gregory Shaw even wrote his foreword to his book on Iamblichean theurgy that when he first finalized it he didn't even understand most of what he had written. Do any of these people even know what they're talking about anymore?

>>11008865

Just look at some of these books: that Aaron Cheak collection is astonishingly expensive and the content is totally incomprehensible. Occultism has become nothing more than an academic circle of people who've mishmashed occult aesthetics, postmodernism and surrealism.

Expressionism for the academics, escapism for the consumers

[Anonymous No.11012172]

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[Anonymous No.11012265]

>>11008828
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[Anonymous No.11012272]

>>11012265
Inb4 mods ban because they don't get it and feel self conscious

[Anonymous No.11012291]

>>11012265
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[Anonymous No.11012324]

>>11012097
>At what point does esoterism become academic expressionism and scholar aestheticism?
Hasn't it always been? It's not like any early esoterica is written by the poor or unedicated or in ordinary language. Early esotericism borrowed Hellenic philosophical language, modern esotericism borrows from the leading (post-)modern continental theories of philosophy.
>The new batch of occult and Egypto-Neoplatonist literature is near impossible to penetrate, not because of any symbolic polysemy, but academic abstruseness.
Polysemy is mere ambiguity. True symbols posses a vertical or transcendental element corresponding to higher archetypes which cannot be truly pinned down with signs. Expressing the inexpressible is quite difficult.
>Gregory Shaw even wrote his foreword to his book on Iamblichean theurgy that when he first finalized it he didn't even understand most of what he had written. Do any of these people even know what they're talking about anymore?
Gregory Shaw, IIRC, wrote his work being guided by what Jung might call the Active Imagination. This is quite common in esoterica of all ages.
>Just look at some of these books: that Aaron Cheak collection is astonishingly expensive and the content is totally incomprehensible. Occultism has become nothing more than an academic circle of people who've mishmashed occult aesthetics, postmodernism and surrealism.
Occult aesthetics and surrealism has gone together for a long time methinks. Think Maldoror or Dali. I think postmodernity gives esoterica a superior super-rational character as opposed to the older mere irrational view of occultism. IMO, this is helpful for understanding esotericism as an actual sustainable way of life as opposed to a mere edgy teenage rebellion. The Aaron Cheak book was only twenty or so dollars when it first came out. It's also not incomprehensible (although I may be a poor judge as I studied humanities and equally impenetrable texts in college). If you want to complain about expensive esotericism, complain about Fulgur and Xoanon and stuff. Damn talismanic editions are stupid expensive.
>Expressionism for the academics, escapism for the consumers
If you have ever experienced the non-ordinary, i.e., altered states of consciousness and seemingly acausal coincidences, then such academic explorations of the phenomena is quite useful for contextualizing and understanding and is more than mere escapism. Hell, even just comparing visionary experiences of different individuals without believing any of them to be divinely revealed is fascinating. If you've had your own experiences as well, then comparing and contrasting can be mind-blowing.

[Anonymous No.11012477]

>>11012324
Sure, but the inexpressible comes dangerously close to the null. The problem with this view is that most people mean by the inexpressible their intense drug-like experiences, that due to their being phenomenal and accessible to perception, are by their very nature expressible. And you may be thinking of another work regarding Gregory Shaw: I was referring to his revised dissertation on Iamblichus.

Some points to make: surrealism does have a kinship with modern esoteric literature as far as it effects a visceral, literary and semantic experience. Depending on the esoterist this is a decadence. Postmodernism has arisen out of hermeneutics and semiology: as those fields were popular with structuralist anthropology that served a generation of scholars with new textual tools to reconstruct a kind of semantic closed circle, the more novel innovations in postmodernism deal with a kind of theory that the subject itself is created by the sign. Esoterica becomes in this light a kind of science of manipulation, transformation and recreation of the subject through the relations of the sign. The One becomes the Derridean differance. Since the Derridean differance finds its most immediate ancestor in Freudian unconscious, that likewise finds its ancestor in the Kantian transcendental ego, this is enough to show the absolute modernity of this kind of thought: far away from so-called ancient wisdom.

And even with this rhetorical or semantic magic, the problem with this is that this is not so-called classical esoterism. These textual and literary extravagances are miles away from the entrancing of a subject in magnetism in order to effect an alteration in the world soul. The modern theurgist is more a magician, whose rabbit-in-the-hat has been replaced with the homonym, pun and surreal irregularity

If you have that Aaron Cheak book, I'd like to know your thoughts on Algis Uzdavinys' chapter "Telestic Transformation and Philosophical Rebirth."

[Anonymous No.11012488]

>>11008828
I'm not sure how they work, but I have proven that the crystal spiders (what some people call machine elves) exist and interact with more than just my mind and sense organs.

[Anonymous No.11012509]

>>11011828
Start with the Robert Anton Wilson brainwashing program
>Prometheus Rising
>Cosmic Trigger
>Illuminatus Trilogy
Then read whatever else you feel like, which will probably be the Joyce and Eco stuff.

[Anonymous No.11012526]

>>11010683
People should consider taking these
>>11008865
>>11012172
>>11011828
charts and post about them on
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11012589]

>>11012477
>Sure, but the inexpressible comes dangerously close to the null.
Is this problematic? Many Buddhist and apophatic theologians would agree with such a statement. And they might add that such a null is both empty of form and progenitor of forms so thus curiously, overflowingly, full rather than empty.
>The problem with this view is that most people mean by the inexpressible their intense drug-like experiences, that due to their being phenomenal and accessible to perception, are by their very nature expressible.
Are all experiences phenomenal? I've never read Otto but I always assumes his experience Numinous was somehow a revelation of the Noumenal. Of course, that's a weird twisting of Kant's idea tho. In any case, sure one can describe a hallucination but can one describe an epiphany? Are thoughts phenomenal? Is the understanding phenomenal?
>Thoughts on Uzdavinys
I actually discovered Uzdavinys through that essay. Stuff about body as tomb? Reminded me of Kingsley's Reality. With its commentary on the tomblike retreat into the visionary sphere by the latromantic shaman.
>magnetism
Isn't this a early modern charlatanism?

[Anonymous No.11012611]

>>11008828

[Anonymous No.11012787]

>>11008937
w h a t

t h e

f u c k

[Anonymous No.11012867]

>>11008937
Is...is this a meme diagram or....?

[Anonymous No.11013407]

>>11012589
Where the fuck can I find Cheak’s collection for a reasonable price... also, why do people think that the four-level understanding of reality held by middle/neoplatonists was not held by plato himself if it is a conception that is central to the Pythagorean view (as displayed by the tetractys, top dot-the good, the one, two dots-intellect, 3 dots-soul (thumos, central aspect of the soul, spirited), 4 dots-appetitive, materialistic), I mean, this also corresponds to the line metaphor in the republic and the view in Parmenides that the Good is beyond being. How do you all interpret this misunderstanding? I haven’t found a legitimate scholar that makes the claim that Neoplatonism was exactly what the neoplatonists say it was: a strictly platonic view with no inventions beyond the teachings of plato. Are scholars actually this fucking stupid or are they covering something up?

[Anonymous No.11013551]

>>11013407
This wasn’t just to that one guy. Does anyone have an answer?

[Anonymous No.11013559]

>>11013407
It's also similar to the four worlds of kabbalah

[Anonymous No.11013584]

>>11013407
Look into the tubingen school. From what I have heard, they make a similar argument to you.

[Anonymous No.11013597]

>>11013559
Ya and the four states of consciousness in Hinduism, and there is coordinate in Taoism as well. It’s crazy to me that people can look at the remarkable degree of agreement amongst all non-Christian philosophy (let’s remember Aristotle, the first Christian, was the one that made the third level, nous, his god, not allowing for the fourth level, the one/good, because he wasn’t allowed to be actually initiated because he was a cunt bitch, so he could only use the exoteric doctrine and try to extrapolate the esoteric from quotes he came across (what a fucking loser)) and still decide, ‘ya know? I just really believe this Old Testament/New Testament stuff, no, not just because I was raised into it, making it the easiest set of opinions for me to hold, but because I think it is ____’. Fucking baffling. Thank you for your time.

[Anonymous No.11013638]

redpill me on gnosticism /lit/

[Anonymous No.11013644]

>>11013584
Ya, I’ve read a lot on the Tubingen school, and I like it, but even they stop short of the correct opinion (imo) and they are thought of as being less than standard... I just can’t believe that Vlastos and co. were torchbearers. How can such a wonderful subject attract such stupid people, and how can they become the standards? Are people dumb? Or is the field skewed on purpose?

[Anonymous No.11013652]

>>11013638
It is Neoplatonism for people that don’t understand Neoplatonism and would prefer to incorporate religiously proper nouns in place of meaningful philosophical concepts

[Anonymous No.11013806]

>>11013597
It's the solution to the problem of the one and the many and yet only we understand...
>>11013644
Write your own book. I believe Thomas Taylor was pretty woke but I haven't gotten around to him yet.

[Anonymous No.11013809]

>>11013652
>Neoplatonism
>meaningful philosophical concepts

[Anonymous No.11013822]

>>11013806
Thomas Taylor is surprisingly woke. His book on the oracles and mysteries and on theoretical arithmetic of the pythagoreans are both wonderful if you are interested in those subjects

[Anonymous No.11013835]

I cannot explain why exactly, but something about this religion seems super-woke to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyavazhi

[Anonymous No.11013847]

>>11008828
is this all just larping or what do you guys get out of it?

[Anonymous No.11013848]

http://www.yeatsvision.com/twelvefold.html

[Anonymous No.11013883]

>>11013847
It’s the only thing worth studying. Out of it you get divinity, and your self

[Anonymous No.11013949]

>>11013822
I also intend to get into Ficino at some point.

[Anonymous No.11014143]

>>11013949
For sure. I need to get into him too

[Anonymous No.11014208]

>>11008985
I Loled

[Anonymous No.11014280]

Currently reading

The first 100 pages are basically a huge drop of kabbalah stuff and how that relates to genocide

[The Red Barron No.11014283]

I'm at work

[Anonymous No.11014333]

>>11013883
okay but explain that to me in plain english

[Anonymous No.11014350]

>>11014333
This realm is primarily mental, not material.

The mental processes that construct this world can be understood. By understanding them, you liberate yourself from the bondage of compulsive action and thinking. Instead, you begin to experience reality - all facets of reality - as divine.

Esotericism and mysticism (in their many forms) are the methods you use to achieve this.

[Anonymous No.11014575]

You want some esoteric shit? Read pastoral poetry.

It is not about what you think it's about. It's not about what most people think it's about. It's like a secret code that poets use to talk to each other, and to no one else.

[IC4Miles No.11015230]

ask more nicely

[Anonymous No.11015401]

what are some good sufi books

[Anonymous No.11015702]

>>11015401
Henry Corbin is good.

[Anonymous No.11015858]

>>11014575
Explain further

[Anonymous No.11015866]

>>11008937
>You are here
Oh, now I get it!!

[Anonymous No.11015876]

>>11008937
This is actually quite simple when you look at it

[Anonymous No.11015894]

>>11015401
Masnavi
Rubaiyat
Conference of Birds

[Anonymous No.11016046]

An extract from Shelley's notes to Queen Mab.

[Anonymous No.11016061]

>>11016046
>too softbrain for myth and allegory and symbolism

[Anonymous No.11016149]

>>11016061
>your opinions are shit they're fucking shit

[Anonymous No.11016160]

>>11016046
Fuckin' hell, I guess I never realized how much of an ultra pleb hipster Shelley really was. Then again, now that I think about it, I don't know if I've ever read much by Shelley or know much about him at all...

Was Shelley an ultra pleb hipster?

[Anonymous No.11016166]

>>11016046
Very blakean

[Anonymous No.11016170]

>>11016160
t. butthurt christcuck

[Anonymous No.11016202]

>>11016160
So I took a look at his Wiki and I see he was an "uncompromising idealist," nonviolence, and vegetarianism...

My God...

>>11016170
It has nothing to do with Christianity. I just find it funny when brainlets take Christianity literally and even smaller brainlets rebel against something like Christianity because people take it literally. Especially a guy who is supposed to, like this guy >>11016061 said, understand myth, allegory, and symbolism. Like, if you can read that and not see/hear how the dude sounds like a total stereotypical hipster, well, I have to tell you friend, you might be a hipster.

[Anonymous No.11016468]

>>11014575
give us names brother

[Anonymous No.11016550]

>>11016202
Shelley wrote at the beginning of the 19th century. This effete and artsy "hurt durr man it's just symbolism, don't take it literally" doesn't apply because everyone, and I repeat, every single person minus 0,00001% of the population believed in it literally at the time. Besides, the value of a symbol, an allegory, a myth are not objective and are largely dependent on one's sensibility. Strong creative minds tend to follow their own path in creating allegorical connections and Shelley had his own imagination like everyone else. Deriding his deistic and romantic sensibilities as "hipster" is frankly embarrassing and puerile, considering that a lot of great writers of that age had a similiar temperament (think of Schiller, Novalis, Leopardi although he was pessimistic). I could also add that you're doing exactly what you're accusing him of doing.
And I don't actually know if he sounds like an hipster because I never met one, but you sure sound like a gigantic retard.

[Anonymous No.11016592]

>>11016160
Imagine if Morrissey died while he was in The Smiths and that is Shelley, basically t.b.h. senpai f am

[Anonymous No.11016593]

This will make things interesting.
You’re welcome.

[Anonymous No.11016598]

>>11016550
>This effete and artsy "hurt durr man it's just symbolism, don't take it literally" doesn't apply because everyone, and I repeat, every single person minus 0,00001% of the population believed in it literally at the time.
You literally, and I repeat, literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.11016659]

>>11016550
This truly may be the dumbest post ever made on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.11016685]

goethe's paralipomenon 50
ideas for walpurgis night which were too hardcore to include and would be a full blown satanic mass instead of the operetta festival in official versions.
can only find censored fragments online

[Anonymous No.11016692]

>>11008937
Delete NOW

[Anonymous No.11016754]

>>11011135
(You)
>>11013652
laughable analysis, study esoteric politics for a hwhile
>>11014333
the reality that you inhabit is only instantiated by constant self-hypnosis and insistutionalization of unexamined dangerous sigils and presupposed logical machinery, thought forms, which constantly turn your eyes away from the nature of the mind and its relationship with the natural world. the intuitive praxis of the ancient mystic cults was based on emergent self-organizing principles that all physical systems are ruled by and you were denied a look into those by people who see you as human equipment
>>11015858
this isn’t how this works, i would be screencapping everything if i were you. and what previous anon said can be applied to many things like the structure of hotel lobbies, the organization of innaugrurations, court rooms and banks, the structure and etymology of sequences of phrases like “how may i help you” and “hello, what will you be having today?” put yourself in this state of mind and read pynchon and then press releases from the white house and apple corp, henry kissinger speeches, the advertising slogans on makeup boxes. its good fun for everyone
>>11016166
indeed
>>11016685
thank you

[Anonymous No.11016760]

>>11008828
Waste of fucking time. You are chasing ghosts

[Anonymous No.11016772]

>>11016760
om the contrary

[Anonymous No.11016809]

>>11016772
The esoteric arts had been rendered moot by the modern interpretation of metaphysics. Neuroscience had filled in the gaps the Ancients left
>tfw I can get a grasp on the "Real" within two years where it will take a "magician" ten

[Anonymous No.11016821]

>>11016809
"Magic" is the realization of the "Real".

[Anonymous No.11016849]

>>11016809
>Neuroscience had filled in the gaps the Ancients left
books, recommend some

[Anonymous No.11016864]

>>11016849
there are none, they can’t get inside your head they can only read the afterglow of higher or primal states of awareness that’s why all their brain interfacing is opaque and incomprehensible or jacking in to the output portion of the CNS, they do not know what it is they’re dealing with as they don’t understand what it is genetics or cellular activity really is. they only have institutional presuppositions which are: it should be dead, it should be a mechanism like a lever, it should not talk to itself, it should preclude lending itself to anything we can’t
control with capital or weapons systems, it should be easy to explain to anyone who wants to study it, which it by definition is not, and if we find anything interesting we need to be able to weaponize it. that’s neuroscience

[Anonymous No.11016869]

>>11016809
so have logos and eros been reconciled yet?

[Anonymous No.11016880]

>>11016869
they would call it selection, which is another esoteric concept, it never dies, it just stops calling itself the thing it is, the regression goes to the axiom and the logical conclusion always, and they bury it under obscurantist theorizing but its always an unprovable, highly mystifying process like selection or “fundamental forces” or “physical laws” which end with a religious appeal to progressive unveilment of mechanics which never arrive and will always be intuited

[Anonymous No.11016965]

>>11016864
That's all fine, I'm still interested in how they read and interpret the afterglow, how they describe what they're seeing and what they think they're seeing.
Obviously the sciences are directed by certain interests. In regards to this thread, I am interested in information that exactly elucidates the exact difference between the general perspective here and all the neuroscience being undertaken atm

[Anonymous No.11017014]

>>11016046
>>11016160
he was 18 when he wrote it and felt extremely embarrassed about it later on
t. esoteric shelley fanatic
>11016592
damn this must be why i love moz

[Anonymous No.11017017]

>>11017014
>>11016592*

[Anonymous No.11017314]

>>11016754
>(You)
>not liking Zhuangzi

[Anonymous No.11017623]

>>11008828
Hey, could someone post that chart of /x/tier books which ended with a bunch of Joyce books

[Anonymous No.11017658]

Direct versus Indirect Realism: A Neurophilosophical Debate on Consciousness

[Anonymous No.11017989]

>>11017658
thanks

[Anonymous No.11018182]

>>11015858
>>11016468
Start with Theocritus, then read Virgil. They're the two founders of the tradition. You can go from there into the Italians, the English, and others.

Keep in mind, though, that this is some highly advanced stuff, much more than its initial appearance would lead you to believe. You're not going to get it the first time you read it.

[Anonymous No.11018276]

>>11014280
can I have a quick run down on this guy?

[Anonymous No.11018292]

>>11018276
Scholem was a genius who basically made Jewish Studies a respectable discipline in the academy.

[Anonymous No.11018295]

>>11018292
The other guy is a whackjob antinomian kabbalist who thought he was the messiah.

[Anonymous No.11018741]

>>11012477
>
Sure, but the inexpressible comes dangerously close to the null. The problem with this view is that most people mean by the inexpressible their intense drug-like experiences, that due to their being phenomenal and accessible to perception, are by their very nature expressible.

damn, you're really that stupid to think anything experienced by the mind can be expressed in words?

[Anonymous No.11018861]

>>11014575
What do they talk about, and why does it take that form?

[Anonymous No.11018866]

>>11017314
I like Zhuangzi it was a show of solidarity, try not being so combative. Giving you a (you) for posting an excerpt in a thread filled with dilettantes, and Daoism is more substantial than most occult “philosophy” ever will be
>>11016965
read Being No One or the Ego Tunnel by Thomas Metzinger, its retarded sophistry, but he tries really hard to account for the subjective self in an entirely materialist, aggressively eliminativist manner and gets close enough that its intriguing, from an occult perspective at least the results are startling. Do not care for him, nor for Dennett but the former has more to say than the latter i feel.

[Anonymous No.11018949]

>>11018866
Does it relate to Goedel, Escher, Bach?

[Anonymous No.11018960]

If I'm a beginner will this be too much for me? I like the sound of it but know basically nothing about formal esotericism except that this guy is pretty deep into it.
This seems to be less occult and more philosophical/aesthetic though

[Anonymous No.11019030]

>>11010806
You don't say.

[Anonymous No.11019045]

>>11008952
*tips wreath*

m'prayer

[Anonymous No.11019115]

>>11018960
I have not read that book. However, I like Aaron Cheak.

Lots of good occult journals, I suggest:

JSM
SilkMilk
Hermetic Virtues
Qliphoth
Esoterica
Clavis
Wyrd
Witch Ikon
Starfire
Abraxas
Fenris Wolf
Cauldron
The Gnostic
The Pomegranate
&
Jesus: The Imagination


I am also interested in the Primordial Traditions and Hellenic Traditions and Northern Traditions and all those other journals associated with Aaron Cheak.

[Anonymous No.11019254]

>>11010810
Why would we make shiny baubles for the idiot masses when we can solve real problems by looking beyond what we comprehend in front of us?

If our ancestors did as you say, humans would still believe the sun is a plate in the sky and dept/distance is just scenery shrinking and growing. Instead, motherfuckers like us actually learned of how the world works so turdlets like you can bitch and whine about us on the internet.

[Anonymous No.11019260]

>>11011135
This is part of the basis of Dark Souls' philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11019290]

>>11016593
>Leet, you say?
Hmm.

[Anonymous No.11019319]

>>11016809
I mean, yeah, you can be a cuck for the Masons and learn their version of "Real" in 2 years. Or you can take the time and effort necessary to go beyond that bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11019832]

>>11012477
i agree with this but think its just one side, paranoia manipulation is the other one, and that proposes a completely different approach to relation object-subject

[Anonymous No.11019956]

>>11019832
Holy fuck anons there are so many books and i want to read them all

what do?

[Anonymous No.11019984]

>>11019956
take off all yor clothes

[Anonymous No.11019987]

Poetry should be examined more closely by anyone interested in esoteric thought.

[Anonymous No.11019993]

>>11019956
Get crackin'

[Anonymous No.11019997]

>>11019993
is it even possible?

[Anonymous No.11020002]

>>11008828
Can you actually write anything esoteric? I mean, you can make the call towards the esoteric, but the connection is only possible if you've already inherited or integrated it into your being.
You can, however, remind people of esoteric things they've neglected or forgotten. However, music and visuals are far better for this, and especially symbols.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An_lXhNWjMw

[Anonymous No.11020005]

Esoteric shit is for reddit retards

[Anonymous No.11020010]

>>11020005
It most definitely isn't, and you should go back.

[Anonymous No.11020013]

>>11020010
It's mostly poorly written nonsense on the same level as tabloid horoscope reading and Tibetan healing crystals

Most read it to feel superior to others (due to their lack of Mohist ethics), feeling they'll get spooky hidden knowledge that normies will never know

[Anonymous No.11020015]

>Ctrl + f "Alan Watts"
>0 matches
I'm going to post a book and fix this problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWnz3KFwI_0

[Anonymous No.11020019]

>>11020015
Case in point

[Anonymous No.11020023]

>>11020013
Forget the nerd culture surrounding it, as it is exoteric by default - as is all consumerist culture. Esoterism means knowledge that isn't possible to be shared as is. How you view the world, so long as you aren't completely controlled, is esoteric by nature.

[Anonymous No.11020029]

>>11020023
As such, I view poetry, literature, fiction and Logos as the conquest of the esoteric onto the mechanical, clinical world.