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10986227 No.10986227 [Reply] [Original]

The prose is the plot.

>> No.10986243

>muh prose
kys

>> No.10986260

>>10986243
Literally the opposite of the point being made
All prose carries with it an implicit narrative of experience. It is the real plot itself

>> No.10986264

>>10986260
That’s a non-statement

>> No.10986267

>>10986227
Are there really people who don't get this?

>> No.10986268

>>10986260
>>10986227
it really isn't though. The prose might be some sort of implicit characterization of reality, as in philosophically, or of the internal logic of the world created by the text, including its narrative, but it is by definition not the actual content of the narrative. It at most sort of 'mirrors' it, if the writer is particularly gifted

>> No.10986271

>>10986268
Plot describes the continuous sequence of events in a book. Descriptions and propositions are themselves experienced as events
Does the narrator himself not have an ongoing story?

>> No.10986290

>>10986271
Yeah but I understand by the word prose as something more or less equivalent with 'style'. As in the way things are expressed, rather than what exactly is expressed.

It's possible that these two meet at some level of granularity where you can't differentiate between them, but from a kind of removed perspective the two are easily seen apart when you look at a story, and see the narrative, and also the style the author uses to express individual points. As an analogy the continuity of colors doesn't mean that we can't tell apart blue and red, though it's a poor analogy because this isn't a one dimensional axis in the same way.

>> No.10986312

>>10986290
I will infact take my point even further.
We never even experience "plot" outside of prose. Its a pure abstraction. A derived interpretation. We only ever experience the language of the author and its in the prose itself, how it emphasises and presents scenes that we derive an experience of plot.
How things are expressed is what is being expressed and nothing more

>> No.10986315

>>10986312
I don't agree because you can tell the same story through images, where there is no prose at all. The mind clearly abstracts the narrative from the particular way it is given to us.

>> No.10986317

>>10986227
Neat idea but Murphy was a meandering pile of modernest garbage where you can just tell that Beckett was giggling the whole time while writing it, know full well it was useless trash

>> No.10986345

>>10986315
>>10986312
This argument is utterly pointless.

Stop it.

>> No.10986351

>>10986345
it's literally the topic of the thread dumbass

>> No.10986356

>>10986351
This thread, and more broadly speaking consideration of as well as the actual fart-sniffing 'musings' of some ivory tower trash animal themselves, are a waste of my time.

I can't stop you from talking about this stupid bullshit but it infuriates me that people like him have "jobs" in taxpayer-funded universities "debating" this garbage.

If there was any value at all in having this discussion you wouldn't need to take money from people at gunpoint to fund it.

>> No.10986365

>>10986315
>from the particular way it is given to us.

Thats the key isn't it

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10986372

>>10986356
>fart-sniffing 'musings'

Hm?

>> No.10986375

>>10986372
mmm quite pungent my dear

>> No.10986379

>>10986317
>Judging Beckett by his pre-war writing

Want me to dig out your pre-school writings?

>> No.10986597

>he can't perfect both

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>>10986227
>James Joyce: His writing is not about something. It is the thing itself.
What did he mean by this? Who is the anaphoric referent for "him" in that sentence? Who is Joyce talking about?

>> No.10987336

>>10986724
it's a beckett quote
https://bibliot3ca.com/dante-bruno-vico-joyce-by-samuel-beckett/

>> No.10987341

>>10986372
long windy ones

>> No.10987429

>>10986379
what are the best beckett books, anon?

>> No.10987881

>>10987336
Yeah, but it says James Joyce:
does this mean that Beckett is quoting Joyce?

>> No.10987976

>>10987341
quick little merry cracks

>> No.10987992

>>10987429
The Trilogy

>> No.10987997

>>10987881
Yes, Beckett made sure to say "James Joyce [colon]" to emphasize this

>> No.10987999

Found the pseud thread

>> No.10988005

>>10987999
Do enlighten us Mr Non-pseud

>> No.10988022

>>10987992
Which one?

>> No.10988032

>>10987997
Ok, but who is Joyce talking about when he says "His"?

>> No.10988532

His hair is magnificent. Shame I will never getthat being blonde.