Terrance McKenna

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Terrance McKenna Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:44:03 2018 No.10982996 [Reply] [Original]

thoughts on this fucker?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:45:43 2018 No.10983003 >>10982996 he cool

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:47:02 2018 No.10983011 I like his thoughts once he realized he was dying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:47:51 2018 No.10983016 >>10982996 he was in the cia

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:48:51 2018 No.10983019 >>10983016 Is this true? If so, where can I verify this knowledge?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:50:24 2018 No.10983030 >>10983019 my dad told me

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:51:23 2018 No.10983035 >>10982996 brainlet's first brainlet-tier brainlet

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:51:48 2018 No.10983038 >>10983011 which ones? any advice to get into his works? >>10983016 source? > if they weren't red they were in the CIA

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:52:53 2018 No.10983043 >>10982996 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QrWfbYFtNk Get past the nationality mindfart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:53:31 2018 No.10983048 >>10982996 he sounds like E.T.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:58:00 2018 No.10983056 If you think Joe Rogan is smart, he's a perfect fit for you

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:58:13 2018 No.10983059 >>10982996 A genius.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 15:59:17 2018 No.10983062 >>10983056 I don't even know who the fuck that is.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:04:38 2018 No.10983083

>>10982996
I like his conceptualization of the self-transforming machine elves. Psychedelics like LSD and magic mushrooms and DMT are often used irresponsibly and inaccurately associated with other drugs. Anyone who dismisses the experience (along with Mckenna's articulation of it) either never exposed themselves to it or was not brave enough to ingest a worthwhile dose in a proper environment. He gives great advice for those who are brave enough. Mckenna was also a great orator and I can appreciate someone who continues the oral tradition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:07:42 2018 No.10983097 >>10983083 Pretty much this

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:14:20 2018 No.10983126

>>10983083
>anyone who doesn't like frying his brain with drugs because the frying caises funny visions just was never BRAVE enough to disguise their desperate escapism as a religious experience
Yeah no fuck off. If you like the sensation of yourbrain malfunctioning you're an idiot and you don't getto claim the high horse over otherdrugs

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:24:15 2018 No.10983172 >>10983019 Gnostic media: Engineering the Deadhead Tl;dr: the govt wants you to be a dumbass like >>10983083 and waste your revolutionary potential on getting fucked up which coincidentally makes it easier for them to detain and arrest you...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:25:37 2018 No.10983179 >>10982996 DUDE HEROIC DOSES LMAO

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:26:24 2018 No.10983184 >>10983011 Didnt he just push more bullshit like Timewave Zero to make more money before succumbing to his tumor?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:30:10 2018 No.10983194 >>10983062 >i'm not even aware of the existence of this popular thinker, dude! am i cool yet? congratulations, yes you are cool now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:31:46 2018 No.10983197 >>10983194 >popular thinker Joe is a million things but that is not one of 'em, you have to go back partner

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:32:29 2018 No.10983200 >>10983179 He didn't even like that term, he just said that what he considers real "tripping" as opposed to just being high is taking five dried grams in quiet darkness and basically astral traveling to the lizard planet n shieeeeet dude

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:40:44 2018 No.10983228
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>>10983126
Okay Nancy Reagan. No brains are "fried" from ingesting these particular chemicals. LSD, mushrooms, and DMT (to name a few) are all physiologically harmless. No malfunction occurs, but your perception is definitely altered during the experience. Because of this physiological harmlessness, coupled with the tiny amount of the chemical is needed to produce such a profoundly impactful experience and altered state, makes these chemicals superior to the majority of other chemicals we categorize as "drugs". You call it escapism but they aren't escaping from anything. If anything, you are becoming more sensitive to impressions of the external world and become more aware of your interpretations of those impressions.

>>10983172
Little "revolutionary potential" (whatever that is) is wasted with these chemicals. If used responsibly, these chemicals would be ingested only a handful of times a year in as high of a dose as one could handle. Plenty of time to left to waste on petty conflicts over material, if that kind of nonsense still appeals to you after such an experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:47:25 2018 No.10983253 >>10983126 >i'm a totally ignorant pseud brainlet and i have no idea what the fuck i'm even talking about alright thanks, good times

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 16:51:32 2018 No.10983278 >>10983194 a standup comedian/sports commentator is a "popular thinker"? lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:12:51 2018 No.10983646 >>10983194 Joe Rogan isn't best known for his thoughts and ideas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:21:33 2018 No.10983692 charismatic failed seeker

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:24:35 2018 No.10983711 >>10982996 Go to bed Tao

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:27:31 2018 No.10983725 >>10983172 McKenna always stressed doing psychedelics rarely, maybe like three times a year, and not overusing them because it will decrease their power. You're full of shit.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:32:12 2018 No.10983746

>>10983725
McKenna had a bad shroom trip and quit using psychedelics according to his brother so it's pretty much all a lie and a fable to convince impressionable kids to damage their brain like: >>10983253 and >>10983228 (Obvious samefag). Why does it threaten you to know these chemicals are harmful? Go to any psych ward in America and ask the schizophrenics and bipolars if doing LSD helped them....

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:37:03 2018 No.10983770 >>10983746 not those anons but you went through a drug phase, didn't you? otherwise why do you even know anything about McKenna?

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:39:18 2018 No.10983778

>>10983746
No fucking shit people predisposed to mental illness shouldn't do psychedelics unless in a clinical atmosphere or at least knowing all the risks, this doesn't negate anything else I said pal. The idea of McKenna's bad trip comes from his ex-wife, how is that even a reliable source? There were even interviews he gave not a year before his death where he was clearly on something. Its character assassination.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:47:10 2018 No.10983812

>>10983778
>no brains are fried, nancy reagan, totally harmless
>hurr durr when did I say this drug was harmless obvs shouldn't do it if you have a mental illness
Catch 22: you have to be mentally ill to want to take psychedelics in the first place.
>>10983770
Ya. Didn't get much out of it. Nothing you can't get out of staring a milkdrop visualizer while experiencing mild mania at least. Am I the only one who thinks psychedelic visuals are cliche? Like jeez another fractal! Whoop dee freaking doo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:49:24 2018 No.10983822 File: 8 KB, 646x86, ObviousFaggot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983746 >>10983812 This >>10983778 is not me. I am this poster >>10983228 you retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:50:12 2018 No.10983829 >>10983812 You just made a terribly fallacious argument and delegitimized any of your points. No point in replying to you further.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:58:50 2018 No.10983866 >>10983812 >Am I the only one who thinks psychedelic visuals are cliche? Like jeez another fractal! do you even understand the meaning of the words you're using?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:03:07 2018 No.10983883 >>10983812 What psychedelics did you take? What were the doses? What environment did you inget them in? These are all important so don't spare any details.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:04:24 2018 No.10983889

>>10983812
>cliche?
that's a weird use of "cliche". the psychedelic 60's tie dye thing is a cliche but psycheedelic visuals in of themselves as an experience of phenomenal reality are just natural phenomena. but anyways...

if you didn't get much out of it, why did you get into McKenna? im curious because i'm in a similar position to you - i did psychedelics for a while, stopped three years ago, and have no use for them now, and i dont recommend them to others. but i find your contempt exaggerated, almost like you're going after an older version of yourself or something in yourself you don't like. like what kind of thing to say is
>you have to be mentally ill to want to take psychedelics in the first place
???
if you did drugs you're talking about yourself bro. which also means that you're projecting yourself on others by calling them "idiots" or "mentally ill" for doing something that you yourself did. why not just wipe your own ass and leave others to their own explorations? you think venting your self-contempt at other people will accomplish anything?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:10:00 2018 No.10983921 Braindead druggy moron

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:11:10 2018 No.10983927

The wholeheartedness of his approach was really quite fresh in a world that seemed to me to be quite dead. He really reminded me of that childlike energy that is full immersion into a field of ideas. It inspired me to go into the same depths of ideas in my own interests.

His ability to live life on his terms and following his interests is how I remember him

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:13:17 2018 No.10983937 >>10983746 >people with schizophrenia shouldn't do acid Woah... tell me more senpai

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:14:31 2018 No.10983940

>>10983889
>I have no use for them now
This is strange to see. I can't see myself ever outgrowing the psychedelic experience. I do high doses of LSD a handful of times a year and I don't see why I would ever stop. Each time I do it I learn something new which I can assimilate (over the weeks to months after my trip) into my sober life and experience. I guess I might not have reached the point you have, but I still don't think I'll reach a point where I have squeezed every possible experience out of the psychedelic, at least not in one lifetime.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:16:17 2018 No.10983954

>>10982996
https://www.gnosticmedia.com/McKenna-Agent

apparently it is a controversy.. this quote is [citation needed]

And certainly when I reached La Chorerra in 1971 I had a price on my head by the FBI, I was running out of money, I was at the end of my rope. And then they recruited me and said, "you know, with a mouth like yours there's a place for you in our organization". And I've worked in deep background positions about which the less said the better. And then about 15 years ago they shifted me into public relations and I've been there to the present.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:19:25 2018 No.10983972

>>10982996

walking the quote from "gnostic media" back over to a google search comes up with a link to Graham Hancocks facebook posts with a link to a video of Terrance in 1994 which I guess is supposed to substantiate the claim.

Graham Hancock - In Defence of Terence McKenna

Amongst the comments I received across both pages were the following:

"Look into the work of Jan Irvin as he has exposed McKenna's connection to the CIA and Esalen Institute where mind control was on the agenda."

"McKenna is a cia propagandist (his words)"

"I love listening to Terence
But what are we to make of Jan irvins revelation that he was employed in deep background public relations for the CIA?"

These are fairly representative of the kinds of remarks that are now frequently made about Terence all over the net and there is no doubt that as the rumours spread they have the effect of diminishing his legacy and distracting us from the importance of his insights. So what is the whole story based on? As far as I can see it is based only on a crass misreading and misinterpretation of certain remarks that Terence made during a lecture he gave at the Esalen Institute in 1994. The relevant video clip is reproduced on many Youtube channels surrounded by tendentious remarks of which those found at 777RealHistory777 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9uZAPqz5HI)) are typical. On that site the clip is sensationally headed:
"Terrence [sic] McKenna ADMITTED He Was A GOVERNMENT AGENT - Esalen Institute 1994"

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:19:56 2018 No.10983978

>>10983954
This is bullshit.
However, Tim Leary actively DID work for the CIA. He singlehandedly ruined the very promise of the drug he turned into a relgiion to destabilize and divert the counterculture.
If you bring this up to old hippies, they don't even care.
To be fair, I don't care either. The CIA is just a bunch of guys, they get by with what we let them get by with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:27:24 2018 No.10984001 >>10982996 I cried when I heard what his last words were

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:28:34 2018 No.10984003

>>10983940
>I can't see myself ever outgrowing the psychedelic experience.

meditation did it for me bruv. psychedelics give you a distorted preview of states you can cultivate naturally through meditation. i actually tried to keep doing drugs as i developed my meditation practice but i found it impossible - the psychological effect of tripping became way extreme, like sanity-threateningly intense, which it never was before - and redundant to continue

the problem is the experiences decay. you can't hold on to them. it lasts a few hours, then you're back to where you were before, more or less. you can ride a boost from a great trip for a while but eventually, inevitably, you will go back to baseline, a baseline state that you must find unsatisfying - otherwise the drug would not be necessary. why not work with that baseline instead? why settle for a bit of canned wisdom a few times a year?

i'll note on this point as well that when he was asked about meditation mckenna admitted that he lacked the discipline or patience to learn how to do it - "I just get bored" something to that effect. what he didnt realize is that meditation does a lot more than give you "experiences" as you have in drug trips. if you are only looking for "experiences" then yeah, eating 5 dried grams is quicker and easier. but even from a hedonistic pov meditation is better than drugs... and the experiences will end up taking you a lot deeper, with a much clearer lens to perceive what's arising.

id recommend giving meditation a try anyways. its very common for westerners to make that jump from psychedelics, and its really where the good stuff is if you're into cultivating wisdom and phenomenological exploration

either way best of luck to you

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:29:18 2018 No.10984005 >>10984001 What were they?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:30:39 2018 No.10984014

>>10983889
Tie-dye. Hindu gods. Buddha Christ. I mean, I just got tired of the subculture and all the bullshit. No expansion of consciousness. Definitely diminished during and after. It's never about enlightenment. It's about getting load and fucking sluts. I can learn more from a book.
>>10983937
The main target audience of terrence mckenna is teenage stoners. Schizophrenia and bipolar tend to develop in early adulthood. This leads many youth to burn out... there is also evidence to suggest that these diseases are not genetic and perhaps environmental in origin as well.
>>10983940
I've tripped more than probably 99% of people on the planet. I just can't do it anymore. Won't come down. Would end up on risperdal.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:40:24 2018 No.10984063

>>10984003
Regarding mediation and psychedelics, you don't have to choose one of the other. You say the psychological effects of tripping intensified after practicing meditation. This means you are no longer scratching the surface from my perspective. I too meditate often, along with exercise everyday. Since starting, tripping has intensified for me as well. I feel like there is more area to explore. Even if I take psychedelics to reach particular states, this does not imply that I am not completely satisfied with my baseline state. I have no cravings for these chemicals. Lastly, it is impossible for meditation or yoga to replicate what DMT does.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:40:30 2018 No.10984064

>>10984014 here

>>10984003
Funny that you also encountered an inability to continue. When you get the message, hang up the phone. It seems we are all mystic madmen here. Don't do LSD, kids, or you'll end up becoming a jolly old esoteric philosophy shitposter like us....

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:41:58 2018 No.10984075 >>10984005 >It's about love Terence talked a lot about the meaning of life, which he said was "figuring it out". His final words were what he found. It made me because a good man I knew said those words before he died

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:42:12 2018 No.10984077 >>10984063 What's so great about what DMT? >smoke >smoke more >smoke more >hold it in >put down the piece >the fear >the trip >the giggles >over It's for the giggles, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:45:44 2018 No.10984095 >>10984075 >ego-tripping at the gates of hell for years only to discover that every major religion is basically right and there was nothing to search for in the first place Like pottery

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:55:57 2018 No.10984156 >>10982996 Wait lmfao it's the dwarf in Game of Thrones

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:56:19 2018 No.10984158

>>10984064
Me here again. Sorry. Phoneposting and bored. Forgive my various typos.
>>10983978
Curiously I prefer Leary to McKenna. Leary did continue to trip his whole life, I'm pretty sure. And his promotion of cyberculture was pretty farsighted of him.
>>10984063
Different strokes for different folks. I speak from my limited perspective. I believe I may be older and also abused more frequently than most which may result in my negative views. I know plenty of folk who trip their whole life and seem happy and productive so more power to you if you can do both.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:56:39 2018 No.10984159

>>10984064
>It seems we are all mystic madmen here

again, i reject this appellation of "madmen," at least when universally applied. curiosity about phenomenal reality is fundamentally healthy and not pathological. it gets mixed in with a lot of other bullshit particularly when you have teenagers from broken homes (me and my highschool friends) and the subculture stuff and yada yada, but the desire to explore consciousness is good and should be encouraged.

kids turn to psychedelics because the outlets available to young people in our culture fucking suck. what is there? hang out at the mall? go to a movie? go to church, when you don't even believe? there are few adults in a given western environment who are worthy of respect... i didn't even learn how to respect someone until my twenties. i guess that's normal, but it shouldn't be.

>>10984063
how much practice you do? my answer is that your 'dose' of meditation isn't high enough if you still find any use for psychedelic drugs. when your meditation practice passes a certain threshold of intensity, they ARE mutually exclusive. not in like an abstract moralistic way but a direct, white-knuckle "holy fuck if i keep tripping im going to end up in an asylum" way.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 19:58:23 2018 No.10984165
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>>10983172
>Gnostic media: Engineering the Deadhead
>those citations
>the implications

what the FUCK anon. what is this site?
Look I'm not one for conspiracies, I've had my fair share of trips on shrooms over the years, and I've read McKenna's books, but THAT is some fucked up shit. I remember reading about Terence's timewave theory and while I still think it's largely bullshit and a bad attempt at world-philosophizing (like some of his stuff on hermeticism) I think we can all agree post-2012 shits been getting weirder. As a history major I have no own ridiculous thoughts like McKenna on 'time waves' like history repeating itself but FUCK man, that theory is too much. I've read elsewhere about the CIA co-opting post-war French philosophy to fight the social wars of the 60's and shit
>mfw the dots start coming together

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:06:01 2018 No.10984200 >>10984165 Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:07:08 2018 No.10984205 >>10982996 low iq

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:19:01 2018 No.10984245

>>10984159
I joke. Darkly. I have been committed before. Not mere serotonine syndrome either.
>kids turn to psychedelics because the outlets available to young people in our culture fucking suck. what is there? hang out at the mall? go to a movie? go to church, when you don't even believe? there are few adults in a given western environment who are worthy of respect... i didn't even learn how to respect someone until my twenties. i guess that's normal, but it shouldn't be.
Terrence McKenna basically has psychosis in the jungle and returned to sanity (allegedely) without medicine. I am semi-jealous. I quit cause I couldn't trip no more and six months later a girl slipped me a tab while I was sleeping with her and six months later I burned all my bridges and ruined my life and ended up in a ward and had to start all over because I was receiving coded extraterrestrial messages. I got better and am on meds but no one pays (or should pay) to hear my idiotic psychotic delusions....

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:21:15 2018 No.10984262 >>10984199 https://youtu.be/iP1mkWDXcY8

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:29:02 2018 No.10984302
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>>10984262
>realizing the world is in the middle of a pre-industrial era 'dark age' built on an otherwise comforting western system of commodity capitalism sold to the masses who are either half-dazed or growing up in a culture with no creative outlet
>realizing this is the product of a post-war boom economy and that while fascism and communism outright failed miserably they're already making a comeback in modern culture as a technocratic future or some post-capitalism 'return to nature'
>this is just historical breathing space for when the shit really hits the fan

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:34:32 2018 No.10984329 >>10984302 >dattebayo

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:43:20 2018 No.10984362

>>10984245
well shit. i hope things are on the up and up.

still though you sound a little hard on yourself. "my idiotic psychotic delusions" man if you 'cracked the lens that God gave us to see the world' as it were (I have myself to a much lesser degree, so i guess i'll rejoin your troupe of "mystic madmen"), you could give yourself a bit of a break about some of the stuff that leaks out. what's done is done.

anyway i gotta run, its been a cool thread. adios

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:44:18 2018 No.10984364
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>>10984329
>Morrison's dad was the dude who started 'Nam
>all those musicians with military fathers
>the effect of the atomic bomb on the Beat generation
>Lennon, MLK, and JFK's assassinations (not to mention the failures)
>50-70's culture in general
>video killed the radio star and the MTV generation
>historical traces of past ages using mass psychedelics and unwitting social control
>Jayne's theory about the bicameral brain and its implications

jesus fucking christ everything makes sense now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:47:57 2018 No.10984383 >>10982996 hes too famous and ready for access to be genuine. i say CIA plant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:53:27 2018 No.10984411 >>10984364 McKenna talked about Wasson being CIA and the effort of the CIA to brainwash people after use of psychedelics: he warned that after deconstructing social reality, a nefarious actor can replace it with something of their own construction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:54:40 2018 No.10984422 >>10984411 >the guilty betray themselves

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 20:56:22 2018 No.10984427 >>10984422 Stop with this banality, its just a desire to believe in a simple reality. McKenna didn't come at it obliquely, he openly talked about it in many lectures across a span of years.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:03:05 2018 No.10984450
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>>10984411
Can't say I doubt the CIA for experimenting with mind-control. God only knows what Mengele got up to in his short time
I'm more interested in just what the fuck happens on a societal level. We know the Greeks were messing around with something psychedelic at Elysium and Wasson always wondered if it was wheat-based microbes before McKenna suggested mushrooms and that was from Homer if I remember right. They were positing it as a 'heaven' opposite Hades and I have to wonder how much of that shit got picked up by the early Church following Byzantium's fall

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:06:39 2018 No.10984470
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>>10984450
Everything McKenna said about Hermeticism is put under a new light now too. I've been reading Francis Yates old works on the role of the occult in the Renaissance and this just blows that whole case wide open

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:09:45 2018 No.10984482 itt: druggo brainlets

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:16:53 2018 No.10984511 >>10984450 All religious and mystical activity is a result of altered states, I don't think it matters entirely whether its endogenous or from mushrooms. The real question is the level of reality of the thing which comes through.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:24:41 2018 No.10984541 >>10984511 >level of reality what do you mean? I imagine it has a lot to do with the way our two-lobed brain can connect the abstract and detailed in a flash of brilliance under the right conditions

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:49:25 2018 No.10984637 Great speaker, one of the better thinkers of the last half century, but easily outgrown. Cheapened by folks like Graham Hancock and Russel Brand

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:54:32 2018 No.10984652 Yo how to cop shrooms if you don't have any friends or connections?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 21:55:56 2018 No.10984661 >>10984652 >cop >shrooms You might find friends if you stop talking like a retard.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 22:01:21 2018 No.10984676

Does the drug experience only count as an 'awakening' if you have a very rudimentary understanding of reality?

I don't need to stick a fork in my brain circuitry to know that trees are green due to my perception of what's there. Insects see in light spectra that I can't even perceive, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong to say trees are green. I would only be wrong if I said that green is the only way it is and can be.

I can see a very simple minded person needing to 'see it to believe it', and I guess glitching out their systems of perception would achieve that goal. But I've come to these conclusions by way of inference myself.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 10 22:32:14 2018 No.10984779

>>10983228
Your actually wrong. But probably not in the manner either the extremists here would find any nuance in or those supporters would normal conceive of as physiological. First off, there is a lack of data because of when the tests where being run, the technology didn't exist to see what changes in the brain may be occurring during a trip. The Montreal experiments certainly didn't provide subtle info on dosage, neither did the traditional users of these chemicals.

The physiological changes are at issue and must be shown to work in order to provide evidence for their continued trials in treating certain mental conditions. To say they are harmless is not reasonable, to make people twitterfly to their tribal pole is the same as spreading disinformation. While the potential for physiological damage is certain, it still needs to be studied and specific data collected in order for rational discussions to take place again around the drugs. There is no doubt in my mind, literally and figuratively, that LSD and mushrooms have changed my awareness as well as my sense of time and my ability to react to information. That we don't have a good grounding in consciousness as a mechanical system leaves too much room for speculating on the inability of these drugs to harm. Yet their effects may be reproduced by mental disorders which those who suffer from wish to be cured of to some degree. Finding out how these drugs affect the brain long term may show us how to experiment on particular parts of consciousness. So don't spread blatant hippie paranoid magically greenpill liquid on this anymore. You're as bad as twitterflys buzzing around your heap of idealised polis.

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People wonder why moderates get angry. Yet if you ever stood between two idiots you'd know how necessary it is to jump up once and while and tell them all to shut the fuck up and listen to yourselves. I'm sure Terrance was a great guy, but his bullshit asides about science seem like instinctual need to remind people of his rational authority. I haven't listened to a lot of him, but like most of these kinds of "travellers" he emphasises the subjective in lingo which acknowledges a response in the listener that is more a catalogue of conceptualising a drug experience by a certain cultural group at a certain time. Meaning, neither he nor the group end up discussing much about the actual nuts and bots of the experience but rather more of the meaning of the experience as a group of people encountering the drug under certain circumstances.

The only thing interesting about Terrance McKenna would be explaining why he explains things as he does. I wish I had the depth of knowledge to address him in a biography which criticised both the drug policies and the culture that surrounded him. On both sides, a culture. In the middle, an observer looking for how this information can serve society now that we have observed that neither sentiment will go away because of a stalemate.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 22:38:37 2018 No.10984798

>>10984165

mmmm.. "what is that site"
a pretty shit one since their major claim that Terrance Mckenna ended up working for the feds lacked citation. When you keep looking on that site you'll see they made a FOIA request (or at least a nice-looking scan of one) about whether or not T Mckenna worked for the FBI. The answer was that this can neither be confirmed nor denied.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 22:41:06 2018 No.10984805 >>10982996 I feel the need to repost a classic comment of times past. OP: I am a practicing buddhist ask me anything. ANON: What is the difference between shrooms and acid. as they say /thread

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 22:51:03 2018 No.10984836
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>>10984676
You are correct about what you say about the malleability of perception, but regarding psychedelics, that is only scratching the surface. I'll try to give my insight. Within the psychedelic experience, particularly from ingesting DMT, there is a huge part of it that is perceivable yet indescribable. It is not as if your perception was merely altered and you are looking through a different lens, you go someplace alien.

After ingesting crystal DMT, you quickly (less than a minute) find yourself in another place which is completely foreign. As you lay back and close your eyes, any sounds blend and fade into the distance with the concept of Self melting into the void of your mind. The dark blankness you see when you shut your eyelids becomes a vast cave illuminated with brilliantly bright and colorful fractal patterns to showcase just how grandiose and complex it actually is. From this point the experience changes somewhat depending on the person. Some people feel like they meet entities and converse with them, others might find themselves back in the womb and hear the rhythmic beating of their mother's heart. These experiences may feel like they last hours to days to weeks to months, but to a third person observing the user, it lasts at most 10 minutes. Though, as quickly as the experience started, it ends and often the user frantically tries to mumble out at least a fraction of the entirety of what they witnessed. After about 5 minutes the person calms down and the memory of the experience is quickly obscured by the recollection of Self along with the reacquaintance of the immediate environment. Users are lucky to remember incomplete and out of context fragments of the experience which they can articulate and communicate to their peers.

This psychedelic experience goes far beyond a simple perversion of sober perception. A common thought articulated from this is a sort of tuning in which the user was able to tune into a frequency that is always there and all around us, yet cannot be perceived, either rationally or empirically, without the guidance of these particular chemicals. It is a sort of hidden knowledge witnessed in hyperspace, a foreign area completely unreachable with a sober, lucid mind and perception. This could be a part of the "awakening" you mentioned, in which the user is able to sincerely acknowledge that there are unperceivable influences on this reality that may or may not be intelligent and sentient (many users report meeting an intelligence completely alien to their own, some even report that this intelligence is surprised to see the user arrive there). Interpret this however you like, but don't expect to understand the experience itself without experiencing its depths yourself. Don't misunderstand me, this is NOT any sort of hidden or secret knowledge that I am hiding from you. The wholeness of the experience is simply too vast to translate into language without missing many vital details.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:00:07 2018 No.10984856 >>10984836 I have a friend. A published PHD of Analytic Philosophy. He smoked DMT and "saw no difference between the incommunicabilitt of that [DMT] or any other experience..." immediately after coming down.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:10:03 2018 No.10984878
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>>10984836
I hate this kind of language. But I am definitely infested with a interest about how sense develops in different organisms. Spiders especially.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKryf9BWDQg
Design details have an equivalent effect on human trials, so either spiders go through everything you describe or else there's ways to deconstruct what is happening to both of you.

I'm fine with simple explanations. But you're taking a drug which effects how you believe what you believe, so it's likely you don't have the capacity to believe otherwise. The drug specifically works on memory, long term memory, and therefore your response has been similar to a trauma, which gets filtered through you body responding to going from a high Ph level to a low level Ph. You feel completly relaxed because your immune system is being tricked.

When the plant was in the desert, this was how it survived. It captured prey by distributing an agent that could spread its speeds and die. It worked, but in a way that helped us enough at some point that those who ingested it outnumbered those that didn't. Pretty strange to picture what mushroom where actually doing before humans, since they probably had their own life going for them without being some set piece for a game of gia telephone.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:15:34 2018 No.10984902

>>10984856
I'm not sure exactly what that implies but I'll precede my questions with a detail. I definitely left out a few details in my post. The DMT experience I described is not always what happens when DMT is ingested. What I described is a "breakthrough" experience. Very often, especially if it is the users first time with the chemical, they fail to reach this breakthrough point for whatever reason. I have around 6 friends who have taken DMT several times, and only 2 of them have reached this very distinct breakthrough experience. While users who do not reach this breakthrough will witness interesting spectacles and the general effects of the chemical, the experience is very mild in comparison, with many memories staying intact after it ends. It may be possible that your friend did not have a complete breakthrough experience. Aside from that though, can give more details on what your friend was implying with what he said? Is he just remarking the similarly confusing and indescribable nature of reality he has confronted in his work?
>immediately after coming down.
Did his opinion change over the next 10 minutes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:22:41 2018 No.10984932 >>10984902 More like what's it like to be a bat (or anyone else)? Universalizing is fascisizing...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:27:44 2018 No.10984955 >>10984362 Yes. I 'cracked the lens that God gave us to see the world'. If reason is the highest part of my soul I lost it... >>10984470 Yes. Read the ancients. The greeks were not a meme. New age is bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:28:49 2018 No.10984958 File: 69 KB, 640x360, Paul-Stamets-profile-640x360.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bunch of close minded ignorant fucks itt mushrooms are not crystal meth. mushrooms are actually fascinating LOOK IN TO IT

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:43:43 2018 No.10985023

>>10984779
Yes, the entirety of the physiological effects (along with potential harmful effects) of these particular chemicals are not understood completely. Still, if we are unable to find even one harmful physiological effect of these chemicals now, then it is pretty safe to assume that these chemicals and their interactions with our own chemistry are harmless.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:08:50 2018 No.10985088 >>10985023 There's a study on erowid that talks about ppl being more "childlike" having done LSD. For better or worse...

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:12:11 2018 No.10985099 >>10985088 That does not sound like a bad thing. To be like a child is to have a malleable and adaptive mind. If that is what is meant by "childlike", then that sounds almost positive to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:13:11 2018 No.10985103 >>10983126 Dude you are dumb as hell maybe you actually need to PAY ATTENTION next time you takes entheogens.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:18:08 2018 No.10985118 >>10982996 he uses purty words but hes sort of a cuck...kinda weak willed

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:19:32 2018 No.10985125 has a weird voice like capote, russel, or freud

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:22:40 2018 No.10985134 >>10984075 that phrase sadly doesn't mean much because people all think love is different

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:24:12 2018 No.10985140 >>10983126 >the frying caises funny visions what in the actual fuck are 11? do you even know how tripping works?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:25:33 2018 No.10985142 File: 28 KB, 388x439, 1519547083167.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I don't get it, let me take a stonger dose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 00:59:20 2018 No.10985260 >>10983954 i'm pretty sure he was saying this as a joke in a lecture, with comedic timing though it still may have been serious at the same time, it's ambiguous

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 01:49:02 2018 No.10985448 File: 670 KB, 1495x1800, 1520651007097.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983172 Goddamn, this article is enlightening, if not fucking horrifying. I can only imagine the psyops occuring now

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 02:38:39 2018 No.10985580 >>10982996 Diet Dr.K

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 03:06:57 2018 No.10985657

I haven't explored too deeply, shit like stoned ape is just a series of what-ifs without any foundation in research. I'm not opposed to more esoteric or spiritual explorations of psychedelics, I enjoyed Doors of Perception, but I dislike pseudoscience.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 03:22:28 2018 No.10985694 >>10983003 > claimed the world was going to end in 2012 > > died before then > > world didn't end

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:49:02 2018 No.10987005 >>10985694 Part of that claim was that the world was going to end, coincidentally, on his birthday.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 11:54:57 2018 No.10987024 >>10983126 >>10983172 >>10983746 >>10983812 Lul

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:01:00 2018 No.10987039 >>10983746 No evidence that psilocybin use causes brain damage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:02:30 2018 No.10987042 >>10983812 I'm convinced this is bait.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:03:42 2018 No.10987046 >>10983954 He was making a joke about communing with the spirit of psilocybin/DMT, himself as an agent/PR man for these entities.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:04:11 2018 No.10987049 >>10984482 itt: close minded idiots who use alcohol and still call others druggos.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:15:17 2018 No.10987089 >>10983746 >ask the schizophrenics and bipolars if doing LSD helped them LSD was used in psychotherapy before it was outlawed, you fuckwit.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:18:15 2018 No.10987096

>>10984014
>I've tripped more than probably 99% of people on the planet. I just can't do it anymore. Won't come down. Would end up on risperdal.
We get it. You used drugs iresponsibly and damaged yourself. Now you're projecting your irresponsibility on other users.

It's always the converts who are the biggest zealots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 12:20:19 2018 No.10987103 File: 80 KB, 480x360, brando_genius.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10984482 As opposed to cerebral titans like yourself, you mean?

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 13:55:25 2018 No.10987415

His entire life was a huge CIA psyop to make people question their morality and hate their "ego" in turn making them more prone to suggestion and easier to manipulate.

I did acid, DMT, shrooms multiple times and it took me a while to realize that. You are inducing temporary insanity, there is no truth to be found in these CIA-Lab substances, most of these gurus are psychopaths that are out for themselves.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 13:58:39 2018 No.10987425

>>10987415
And no, LSD will not make you enlightened by any means, my entire life I was surrounded by 'spiritual' people that take psychedelics and not a single one of them was a respectable human being.

Go on YouTube and look at all the psychedelic gurus, easiest one would be PsychedSubstance, that guy is a complete, apologetic retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:07:08 2018 No.10987455 >>10987415 >bat-shit conspiracy theory Your "insanity" was by no means temporary, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:08:32 2018 No.10987463 >>10987455 There is an article in this very thread with multiple sources linking psychedelic/hippie movement to CIA. It is insane to believe that by taking lab-made chemicals you will open up your third eye.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:09:31 2018 No.10987465 >>10987425 >PsychedSubstance He's a cool guy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:11:56 2018 No.10987474 >>10987465 He's a pretty cool guy that doesn't even know who he is anymore.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:13:47 2018 No.10987481

>>10987425
>LSD will not make you enlightened by any means
sounds like you were the type of retard who believed that and you got burned, so you sweeped over to the opposite hyperbolic position like the rest of the brainlets in this thread

psychedelics are not to be fucked with carelessly, they're not perfect skeleton keys to enlightenment

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:18:35 2018 No.10987502 >>10983228 >if that kind of nonsense still appeals to you after such an experience. case in point

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:19:42 2018 No.10987508 >>10987465 That guy is the biggest twat/tool I've ever seen discuss the subject and he doesn't know shit about anything he's talking about

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:22:52 2018 No.10987523

>>10987481
That's a reasonable theory, but that was not the case. I observed people taking them I noticed reoccurring themes. A most common being unsureness of themselves because what they are doing could be controlled by their "ego." People like that are easily manipulated by abusing their vulnerable and clay-like personalities. Not a single person that I've met that has taken psychedelics had any profound changes in their life, most of them were looking for fairies or were simply seeking some kind of an escape, using the "spiritual" aspect of psychedelics as an excuse.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:23:43 2018 No.10987526

>>10987415
McKenna was not cia. This theory was deduced from an out of context quote where he was talking about the mushrooms themselves. Were the Buddha or yogis cia cy ops?

Further more lots of people were unwittingly used by the cia but that doesn't mean their intentions weren't genuine (Gordon Wasson, Allen Ginsberg, Jackson Pollock, to name a few)

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:27:37 2018 No.10987546

>>10987526
> comparing Buddha and Yogis to drugs

Enlightenment in Buddhism stems from your inner self, it has nothing to do with any foreign substances in your body.

To compare the psychedelic movement to Buddhism and enlightenment is an absolute spiritual perversion.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:27:47 2018 No.10987548

>>10987415
>>10987526
Further more as far as "lab creations" go, all of these drugs are naturally found in plants that have been used by human societies across the globe for thousands of years. LSD is the only one newly synthesized (in the early 20th century) but even then it is only semi-synthetic, produced most commonly from the ergot fungus claviceps purpurea which infects rye. All the others are in hundreds of species of fungi, bark, grasses, cacti, and plants of many kinds

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:30:30 2018 No.10987558

>>10987546
That was solely in response to your comments about the ego. They almost certainly did not use these same drugs but they had comparable experiences that could be called psychedelic, achieved through yoga, meditation, and kundalini experiences

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:31:35 2018 No.10987562 File: 179 KB, 386x400, this_guy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10987546 >an absolute spiritual perversion

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:34:16 2018 No.10987569 >>10987548 This. DMT is produced in the human brain FFS. And ergotism has been a documented phenomenon for centuries.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:35:17 2018 No.10987574 >>10987415 >DMT, a chemical made endogenously in your own body, along with magic mushrooms, a fungus that has grown in forests around the world for millions of years, are CIA-lab substances Stop spreading your paranoid misinformation.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:38:01 2018 No.10987585

>>10987523
most people shouldn't be taking psychedelics often, though one or two trips would probably be healthy for the average normalfag

if psychedelics are to be useful then they should be used sparsely and carefully and alongside some other spiritual practice, and only by mentally stable people, unless you want to be some absolute madman improvising shaman and balance your way through insanity

obviously if you go full retard you can dive too deep and fuck yourself up, but don't completely renounce something because retards use it inappropriately

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:39:11 2018 No.10987590

>>10987574
Yeah, overloading your brain with a chemical that is released when you literally die is completely natural and a good thing to do. Can't wait until you hear something profound when you "breakthrough." Something not insane? Let me guess, you met "machine elves"? or perhaps dark jesters, aliens? Did they tell you secrets of the universe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNHACsQ9e64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ONm-r1d2Mg

These substances are powerful, I never ever denied that. These substances are meant to be released when you leave this planet not when you are on it.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:45:24 2018 No.10987609

>>10987574
Psychedelic drugs are typically used for auto-hypnotic suggestion. McKenna is a shitty shaman. You know the jivaro use psychedelics along with headhunting rituals? It's not all peace and love despite what "universal shamans" like Harner and Pinchbeck say.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:46:12 2018 No.10987614

>>10987590
Why are they in the plants then? And there is no medical evidence to show that they cause any harm, in fact the findings show almost nothing but benefit

Also just to be completely factual, we don't know if it is releases when we die or sleep. This is a purely speculative hypothesis that is not supported by science, at least yet

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:47:50 2018 No.10987618

>>10987585
Psychedelics without a doubt make you easily influenced by others, openness to new ideas is through the roof when you are on LSD. Such substance has tremendous potential to reshape opinions. MKULTRA didn't happen for no reason. They obviously moved on to different subsctances like SSRIs.

Only thing acid is good for is to create new thought patterns in your brain which ultimately is mind control. You can mind-control yourself out of depression by reshaping your beliefs, doesn't change the fact that psychedelics are mind control substances.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:50:02 2018 No.10987626

>>10987590
>chemical that is released when you literally die
That is wrong. DMT may (still not confirmed) be released (in a relatively small but still very psychoactive dose) in moments of very intense stress. These moments of intense stress may occur during death if the particular death induces such stress.
>Let me guess, you met "machine elves"
Don't misinterpret McKenna's self-transforming machine elves. McKenna makes it clear the "speaking entity" of the tryptamine realm is an interior manifestation of the Logos, the ultimate source of all knowledge. The machine elves (not actual elves) act as a sort of ambassadorship for the Logos as the collective unconscious. Basically it is about the acknowledgement of sentient intelligence met within the psychedelic experience similarly described by this post >>10984836

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:51:18 2018 No.10987628 >>10987618 >mind control whose control?

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:51:30 2018 No.10987629

>>10987614
Just because there is something in a plant does not mean you have to smoke it. Just because it grows out in the woods doesn't mean it is good for you. DMT is not produced in the pineal gland, there is no evidence that it is.

There is no "physical harm" of smoking it, however, bombing your brain with substances that literally "launch" you out of this planet cannot be good by any means.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:51:31 2018 No.10987630

>>10987618
Is that why they abandoned project Mk ultra after testing LSD, dmt, psilocybin as truth serums and bioweapons finding that it did not work for what they hoped it would do, which is why they investigated those substances' potential in the first place

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:53:02 2018 No.10987639 >>10987630 Yes because they do not work as truth serums because you start babbling nonsense, have you ever taken LSD? I never claimed they were truth serums, I clearly stated that these substances are perfect for mind control and influencing people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:54:36 2018 No.10987647 he seems to be the guy on the forefront of the whole bringing glory to modern american higher academia+substances

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:55:37 2018 No.10987650

>>10987609
Whitehead is also a good author on this subject.
>>10987614
Why are they in the plants? Why don't you eat some datura if you like plants so much. That's what jivaro shamans do...
>>10987618
Fair analysis.
>>10987626
Is he a prophet of the logos? Or a seductive siren singing psychedelic sailors to a watery tomb of insanity and death?

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:56:45 2018 No.10987653

>>10987629
I never claimed it was produced in the pineal gland, although it could be, we don't definitively know

You don't have to "smoke the plant" (although most commonly it was consumed orally with another harmaline containing plant or made into a snuff powder), but we have the ability to do so and revive medicinal benefit from the plant. Humans don't have to harvest tobacco either or ferment fruits and grains to make alcohol but they have done so for ages because intoxication is something that human beings natural seek out, for whatever reason

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:57:22 2018 No.10987654 File: 48 KB, 789x702, 1513235228965.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10987650 >Is he a prophet of the logos? Or a seductive siren singing psychedelic sailors to a watery tomb of insanity and death?

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 14:59:09 2018 No.10987665

>>10987639
Yes and I have found them not to be so, in my subjective opinion. You mentioned project Mk ultra, and this was one of its goals, along with mind control and using it as a bioweapon against enemies. It was not successful at any of these goals, which is why they abandoned the project and moved on to other things

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:00:23 2018 No.10987670

>>10987650
>Is he a prophet of the logos?
He says it all the time if you ever listened to McKenna, there is no secret knowledge. This isn't Christianity or Scientology. This Logos can be accessed by anyone who is courageous enough to eat the mushrooms in a sufficient dose or smoke the DMT. The psychedelic experience is so profound yet so often dismissed that McKenna probably felt obligated to devote most of his lectures to it. He doesn't force mushrooms into anyone's mouth, he just shares his experiences and ideas like any other popular thinker.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:01:32 2018 No.10987673

>>10987653
My point here is not the primal use of psychedelics in shamanic environments, psychedelics used among sub 70 IQ natives with peanut brains is none of my concern. My concern here is first world individuals with bright minds (every single person that seeks out the spiritual truth is at least above average in intelligence) ruining themselves with brain-blasting substances.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:02:18 2018 No.10987676
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>>10987590

There is no evidence that DMT is released at the time of death. DMT does exist in the body as the byproduct of other chemical reactions. There is no evidence that DMT is produced in the human brain. DMT has been found in microdialysate of rat pineal glands, but there is no proposed mechanism of production in the pineal/brain. There is no evidence that DMT is associated with dreaming.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:02:44 2018 No.10987678 >>10987647 anon, on this post, i dont think hes on the right track in any capacity whatsoever, in fact i believe him to be a provisional, embarrassing american equivalent to slavoj zizek.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:03:26 2018 No.10987680 >>10987609 Depends on the psychedelic. I'd love to see anyone try to headhunt anything on a sufficient dose of DMT. Also these chemicals are not typically used for "auto-hypnotic suggestion" I don't know what makes you think that.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:03:53 2018 No.10987683

>>10987670
>It's not secret knowledge like [respected religion without secrets and available to all] or [obvious cult]
Wow. Great comparison. Not hyperbolic at all.
>it's not secret but basicaly if you don't do drugs or disagree with conclusions that mckenna suggests on what you get out of these hypnotic suggestive substances then you are deluded
Another great argument.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:04:27 2018 No.10987688

>>10987650
Nobody knows right now. There are various hypotheses but no definitive evidence. I was talking about classically psychedelic plants. I have no wish to advocate for datura, which is a deliriant and a poison, capable of killing you unlike serotonin based psychedelics. Obviously the peoples that have used these traditionally know how to utilize these plants, but westerners are liable to harm or kill themselves with it. There are many plants that are poisons or contain them, such as the scopolamine in datura, but psychedelics contain no such alkaloids

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:04:39 2018 No.10987690 >>10987647 could have sword i read the word burger in this

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:05:21 2018 No.10987694 >>10987680 retarded pseud

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:08:33 2018 No.10987717 >>10987680 https://www.google.com/amp/s/passionfruitcowgirl.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/whoring-the-goddess-ayahuasca-takes-her-revenge/amp/

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:10:34 2018 No.10987723

>>10987688
>>10987717
>people die from psychedelics all the time
>people get injured and arrested and committed to psych wards on psychedelics all the time
>"it's harmless gaiz, I'm not playing russian roulette with my brain"
We're just trying to help you see reason, anon.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:11:08 2018 No.10987727

>>10987683
>>It's not secret knowledge like [respected religion without secrets and available to all] or [obvious cult]
>Wow. Great comparison. Not hyperbolic at all.
Correct, the secrets of Scientology are actually pretty well known. Contrary to that, I'd love to see some of the documents locked away in the private Vatican Library.

You are very dense and strawman everything I say. McKenna is not at all dogmatic, believe what he says or don't, but just don't dismiss an experience you know nothing about outside of your paranoid delusions.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:11:56 2018 No.10987731

>>10987673
Such as the advanced civilization of the Mayans? What about the Europeans that took these substances before the practices were lost in the west? The ancient Greeks? The ancient vedic civilization?

Many western scientists have been advocates of LSD, including francis crick eho helped deduce the double helix structure of DNA, as well as others in his field and engineers/creators of new technology in the 20th century

Not just scientists but many artists, musicians, and intellectuals of others kinds take them today

You can't "ruin yourself" with psychedelics unless you have a predispositions to mental illnesses like schizophrenia. Science shows overwhelming evidence that these substances are beneficial for the brain and cognitive abilities

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:16:03 2018 No.10987744 >>10987717 Yes, ayahuasca brews contain DMT, but I referring to pure crystal DMT that is ingested either vaporized or intravenously. The real lesson here is don't trust random shitskins who call themselves shamans in the jungle.

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Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:18:03 2018 No.10987753

>>10987723
People don't die as a result of the toxicity of substances themselves. They are not harmful themselves although obviously responsible use is suggested. In societies where these drugs were more familiar and widely utilized you did not have these issues (of course there were some tribes that used them in ritualistic sacrifice/suicide but those are not inherent characteristics of the substances but more related to their cultures/belief)

Mainstream science disagrees with your arguments now

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:18:41 2018 No.10987756

>>10987731
>advanced civilization of the mayas
Of ya. They were great. Why can't we have human sacrifices guys?
>ancient greeks, vedas
Speculation.
>watson and crick
Stole their discovery.
>not just scientists but artists and musicians and intelectuals
And hobos and psychotics and burnouts and gangsters.
>>10987727
Nice strawmanning yourself. I have experienced these substances. I have gained nothing of value aside from them ever except a few hours or minutes of entertainment while taking them depending on substances. If you wanna learn about the universe read a book. If you wanna learn about yourself then meditate. No point in harming your brain for an experience about as deep as a Tool music video.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:19:24 2018 No.10987759 >>10987753 This. All the evidence points to these particular substances being physiologically harmless.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:20:50 2018 No.10987764

>>10987717
Also this is more of a result of people not having access to the substances in the states and consuming them in the safety of their homes. Because of this, a tourism industry has popped up with the new hype with ayahuasca. Not all these people are legitimate shamen

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:21:08 2018 No.10987766 >>10987744 Unless you make it yourself who knows if you're getting some research chemical sold as DMT.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:22:16 2018 No.10987771 >>10987756 Tell me more about your experience with psychedelics. What psychedelics have you ingested? What doses? What environment did you take them in? How do these substance "harm" one's brain?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:23:26 2018 No.10987775 >>10982996 stoned ape theory is cool af

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:25:39 2018 No.10987781

>>10987766
I'd wager to say that much of the dmt not misrepresented RCs if not just because extracting it from the plants is so easy to do and i really haven't heard of many cases where this has happened unlike with LSD, MDMA, etc where it is much more commonly done because it is just so much cheaper to buy an RC that behaves similarly. If the dmt is yellow, it's almost a sure bet

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:25:49 2018 No.10987782

>>10987766
>unless you grow your food yourself who knows if you're getting some research food sold as real food.
Point me in the direction of 1 (one) research chemical which mimics the DMT experience that isn't a derivative of DMT itself (don't waste too much time looking, there aren't any).

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:26:23 2018 No.10987786 File: 108 KB, 400x381, 03b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983126 lol what a fucking retard. Have fun living your safe, conservative life faggot.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:27:46 2018 No.10987791

>>10987781
>unlike with LSD
Actually this is wrong. Making LSD is insanely cheap so it is very rare that you would ever get anything but LSD if you are smart and buy from the source. You are right about MDMA though. Either way, test everything before you ingest it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:29:28 2018 No.10987798 >>10987756 The Aztecs more widely practiced human sacrifice. The Maya were a highly intelligent culture and advanced astronomers and engineers for their time Modern western civilizations still carry out pretty barbaric practices themselves

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:30:59 2018 No.10987806

>>10987782
DPT is fucking awesome smoked. And 5-meo-DMT is pretty whacky too but not an obvious mimic.
>>10987759
Upon doing research, it seems you are correct. Idk.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0063972

Anecdotally, I know a few horror stories which may not be representative.

>>10987781
Best DMT is clear crystal or white powder.
>>10987771
Done acid, shrooms, dmt, most 2cs, most DOxs, mescaline, 4-aco, 5-meo, DPT, MDMA, MDA. Probably around a hundred trips total over the course of a decade.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:33:17 2018 No.10987818 >>10987791 Depends on the scruples of your provider. But ya. Real Lsd is cheap and readily available if you know where to look despite what old hippies claim (drought was worse back in the day). >>10987798 Psychiatry is pretty barbaric.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:34:22 2018 No.10987824 >>10983812 >>10983889 pwnt like a n00b

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:35:24 2018 No.10987827 >>10983927 aw thats sweet

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:39:28 2018 No.10987852 >>10987806 >DPT I stand somewhat corrected, I did not know about this. Is the experience of DPT similar to DMT? from what I am reading it seems pretty distinct from DMT. >5-meo-DMT Noticeably distinct from N,N-DMT.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:41:26 2018 No.10987863

>>10987791
Sorry but this just extreme inaccurate.

The reason for LSD's scarcity is not so much its cost to manufacture but in its difficultly to make--not so much in the synthesis itself, but with the fact that many of the precursors are heavily watched substances and almost impossible to get without a license. That said, you also need a decent lab set up and skill in organic synthesis, compared with something like MDMA.

But the biggest reason is that it is simply much easier and cheaper for drug dealers to purchase comparatively far cheaper and larger amounts of a quasi-legal, gray market substance from a lab in china than actual go through the trouble and risk of obtaining a much more expensive and risky controlled substance when most of their customers can't tell the difference anyway or couldn't care less. A lot of people simple don't know.

Most of the LSD sold after it was made illegal was distributed throughout a network of Grateful Dead fans and it was still quite popular until the 90s. A few large scale busts since the millennium have produced an LSD drought. It is still out there only kept within exclusive circles.

With the advent of n-benzyl phenethylamines in the late 00s and now with many more safe lysergamide alternatives, it just doesn't make sense for dealers to take the risk for the real thing.

Even in the 70s, a large portion of LSD samples were either diluted with or exclusively comprised of drugs like pcp

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:44:54 2018 No.10987880

>>10987824
That is me who you quoted.
>>10987818
>>10987806
And this is me.

I have no qualms admitting using psychedelics or admitting being insane. Most people I know who are into psychedelics are somewhat insane. I know I speak anecdotally, but medicine appeals to the sick. Many of my friends regret their experiences. I myself do. Others continue on merrily. But most all are not normal. Nothing good ever comes from hanging with normal people so I don't mind. Yet for all the talk of killing ego and self-awareness they often have huge egos and lack any awareness of self and other and project hard (like I am doing now). I admit I am mad. And it bothers me to see delusional people not admit their own madnesses.
>>10987852
DPT is pretty wild smoked. Dunno if you can break through though. You can also snort it if it's a salt. Usually sold as a salt. Had to make it into a freebase to smoke.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:47:01 2018 No.10987891 >>10987880 I know, I was saying you pwnt that noob you fucking newb

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:49:12 2018 No.10987904

>>10987863
>But the biggest reason is that it is simply much easier and cheaper for drug dealers to purchase comparatively far cheaper and larger amounts of a quasi-legal, gray market substance from a lab in china
Like I said in my post, it is smart to buy from the source/ mass distributor. The DNM is where everyone ought to obtain their chemicals. Buying anything off the streets will always carry a risk, but I haven't bought anything off the streets since I was a naive teenager. Users ought to test everything before they ingest it anyways, no matter the source.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:51:52 2018 No.10987920 >>10987904 I was referring to street purchases primarily. Obviously DNM.have been the best way to obtain these things for the last several years and will be the future

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:54:12 2018 No.10987934 >>10987904 >>10987920 >tfw ordering off the silk road >tfw the testkit turns dark :)))

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 15:57:59 2018 No.10987954 >>10987934 >implying silk road still exists You have to move on to better frontiers. Use brain and find trustworthy vendors.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 17:10:23 2018 No.10988311 >>10987954 This. Canadian chemists are our friends.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 17:36:14 2018 No.10988438 >>10984661 haha okay you got me I'm a faggot but for real tho how to cop shrooms?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 17:44:25 2018 No.10988474 Great story teller and funny thinker, take everything he said with grain of salt. Some things he is spot on, others are simply wishful libtard hippy thinking. But man, if it wasn't for him, I'd never try shrooms and had those incredible experiences.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 17:48:02 2018 No.10988493 >>10983016 preach... terrence either had legit alien contact and he was insanely well spoken or he did in fact work for the cia .

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:03:50 2018 No.10988557 >>10987920 >>10987954 >>10988311 >>10988438 connect the dots

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:04:53 2018 No.10988564 >>10988438 Actually, DNM is for LSD. Get some spores and a growkit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:11:02 2018 No.10988588 >>10988557 we must kill the batman

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:43:15 2018 No.10988682 >>10988474 I could not agree more with u anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 19:20:22 2018 No.10988815 Mfw all these dumb /pol/tards come here spreading their dumb conspiracy theories about psychedelics mixing real facts and history with lies to fit their retarded conservative agenda

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 19:23:35 2018 No.10988833 >>10982996 Favorite "intellectual" of teenage boys getting into marijuana, shrooms, LSD, DMT, etc. t. embarrassed I used to look up to him

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 19:28:55 2018 No.10988855

>>10988833
What about all his commentary on the non-drug subjects like gnosticism, hermeticism, alchemy, and rosicrucianism, or the history and belief of ancient cultures including those of the east, west, and mesoamerica, or his wealth of knowledge of many other arcane subjects that have little if anything to do with psychedelics

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 19:40:33 2018 No.10988916

>>10988855
At that age nobody cares about that other stuff. They just listen to 2 or 3 of his talks and then want to take the so-called "heroic does" so they come back "enlighten" to later wax profundities to their stoner friends and impress nearby girls.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 19:55:26 2018 No.10988985
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>>10987415
All these people pointing out how wrong you are shouldn't lead you believe that the CIA psyop isn't in existence. But don't believe the disinformation that you need to a guy and some drugs to maximise the openness of a society which is based on many cultures commingling in tight spaces. Efficiencies bred into the stocks that allowed them to achieve greater economic successes than the USSR are not scary or horrible. The horror comes from the ones that don't work and the ones that serve, not the people effected, but those who remain unaffected.

Keep up the conspiracy, or accept the duties of a citizen to protect all within the state equally.

Because it most certainly is not as hard as you would think to get people to question a belief structure or to act selflessly. In fact, just wait five months....

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 20:13:20 2018 No.10989054 >>10984205 He undoubtedly was 160+

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 20:23:31 2018 No.10989106 >>10987474 You don't know who you are either. You only think you do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 21:00:25 2018 No.10989254 >>10982996 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 22:03:04 2018 No.10989523 >>10984836 What I find most neat about these visions is that they are extremely bright and colorful even if you are in a completely dark room with no light. It is like a flame in your mind illuminating everything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 23:20:05 2018 No.10989874 >>10984716 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 23:31:17 2018 No.10989917 The machine elves were the coolest fucking things I've ever seen in my life, I will never forget that shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 23:36:40 2018 No.10989943 >>10982996 not a great scientist, but a great bard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 01:54:32 2018 No.10990403 >>10989106 I'm pretty sure at least one person knows who they are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 10:29:21 2018 No.10991695 >>10988815 w-what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 10:37:12 2018 No.10991722 >>10982996 >thoughts on this fucker? None whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 13:04:47 2018 No.10992315 >>10991695 It is true.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 13:27:09 2018 No.10992397 Who else is not feeling physically well after 1P-LSD? I feel all gassy, and my smell feels weird

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 14:05:32 2018 No.10992547 Psychedelics are the most /lit/ drug.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 14:09:14 2018 No.10992562 https://petersonion.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/how-hallucinogens-ruined-my-life-section-iii/

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 14:11:37 2018 No.10992569 >what do you get when a harvard educated manufacturer of the majority of the world's lsd is put behind bars for the rest of his mortal span and writes a book about his life story from solitary confinement? >pic related

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 16:35:39 2018 No.10993280 File: 32 KB, 260x320, F1FAA535-3AD4-41CD-B660-5076F25ED196.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10992569 Sorry. Forgot pic.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 16:53:13 2018 No.10993382
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>>10992562
I don't see how this relates to the thread but
>Allow me to say this in gratitude about women: they are far more forgiving than men. Men seek out weaknesses to exploit them; women seek out weaknesses to know where they may offer support.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 16:56:39 2018 No.10993402 >>10983172 >waste your revolutionary potential Government definitely doesn't waste my revolutionary potential. They want to utilize it to destroy this civilization and replace it with queer muslim atheists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 17:59:43 2018 No.10993622 God-tier intellect. Changed my life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 18:23:53 2018 No.10993710 File: 9 KB, 255x247, come_on_now_really_archimedes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10993622 Cheap b8

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 18:54:19 2018 No.10993898 >>10987415 >DMT >Shrooms >CIA-Lab substances

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 19:25:48 2018 No.10994109 File: 32 KB, 600x450, dreadlocks-stoner.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DUDE HEROIC DOSES LMAO

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 19:52:58 2018 No.10994289 >>10992562 did you write that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:49:53 2018 No.10995490 >>10992547 This.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 00:58:17 2018 No.10995518 >>10982996 I liked him on season 1 and 2. I don't like his season 3 obsession with gold shovels.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 16:33:12 2018 No.10996705 >>10987628 duh gubbermant

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 16:58:53 2018 No.10996758 >>10983126 >drugs are bad m'kay?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 17:01:15 2018 No.10996763 >>10983194 not everybody on this website is an american retard, anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 17:09:13 2018 No.10996782 >>10996763 Are you telling me only americans like to get Shpongled?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 17:10:33 2018 No.10996787 >>10988815 ikr

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 17:12:55 2018 No.10996792 >>10992315 i'm with you, oldfag

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 17:17:02 2018 No.10996804 >>10996782 l o n d o n You into Ozric?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 17:17:03 2018 No.10996806 >>10996782 i was talking about that joe rogan dude anon can you even read?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 17:19:11 2018 No.10996817 /pol/ is gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 23:04:16 2018 No.10997608 >>10984716 kek.

Anonymous Sat Apr 14 07:27:10 2018 No.10998823
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>>10982996
>glowing OP: what do you think about X
>datamine.exe

The Entheogenic Jordan Peterson. You may as well go with Alan Watts, instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 07:31:07 2018 No.10998832 >>10998823 Terence was a Jungian while Jordan was a kindergartener, dumbass

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 08:38:29 2018 No.10998963 He looks like white Samuel L. Jackson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 11:31:44 2018 No.10999377 >>10998963 I don't see the resemblance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 11:41:50 2018 No.10999409 >>10999377 They're both black

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 11:43:42 2018 No.10999415 >>10999409 Okay I think I see the resemblance now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 12:40:21 2018 No.10999594 >>10998823 >The Entheogenic Jordan Peterson. The absolute state of this board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 12:49:46 2018 No.10999615 >>10998832 Terence actually says he subscribes to Eliade on alchemy as it the next step from Jung.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 12:58:19 2018 No.10999652 >>10982996 A greart articulator of the English language and turned me on to psychedelics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 15:44:50 2018 No.11000304 >>10984716 kek..

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 18:22:40 2018 No.11001033 >>10984856 >thinking that anything is comunicable lol we are just larping irl

Anonymous Sat Apr 14 18:59:59 2018 No.11001234

I've never had a single positive experience on psychedelics and I'm perfectly sane. I think I'm just physiologically hard-wired to be "blue pilled". Like I can't even smoke weed now as it gives me this weird PTSD from my shitty psych experiences and just the sensations of weed spin me the fuck out and make me have a panic attack. I don't meditate either since the anon in this thread is right it is jist as fucked as psychedlics.

Anonymous Sat Apr 14 19:08:32 2018 No.11001287

>>11001234
Getting back into weed is something you have to take slowly. You have to rediscover the pleasant part of weed, and you do this by starting with tiny doses. There is an experience between sober and panic attack, you just have to find it with a small dose and work your way up very slowly. Meditation is much more mild than psychedelics because you can will the experience to an end even if you have a weak will, unlike psychedelics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 23:16:18 2018 No.11002382 >>11001033 I am just pretending to type this reply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 23:28:41 2018 No.11002421 >>11002382 Glad someone gets it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 00:49:27 2018 No.11002715 >>11002421 You are just pretending that you are glad someone (who is also pretending) gets it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 02:10:15 2018 No.11003055 >>10999652 This was also my experience with McKenna.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 02:29:58 2018 No.11003107 >>10983228 Fuck off, Platonist

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 05:49:13 2018 No.11003609 >>10987508 everyone knows something about something. I'm sure he is spreading some kind of information, although, perhaps not in its most distilled form.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 10:04:44 2018 No.11004267 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48eDdzot_O4

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 10:27:05 2018 No.11004352 File: 34 KB, 630x332, DrJacoby.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 10:44:24 2018 No.11004396 File: 2.24 MB, 330x166, 1523175400919.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone who has never taken at least a moderate dose of psychedelics has nothing to contribute to this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 11:08:50 2018 No.11004498 >>10984006 >did this nigga just say James Joyce was British The British Isles are a group of islands off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 12:36:26 2018 No.11004826 >>11004396 I enjoy seeing outside perspectives as long as they are at least somewhat open minded and curious instead of instantly dismissing the experience.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 12:49:03 2018 No.11004879 File: 1.76 MB, 322x175, 1477938491235.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will psychedelics fix my avoidant personality?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 12:52:24 2018 No.11004892 >>11004879 No, but they definitely can heal your depression.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 13:44:17 2018 No.11005149 >>11004879 I think it's possible

Anonymous Sun Apr 15 14:47:53 2018 No.11005455

He was an idiot and his fanbase is even more retarded.
One McKenna fanboy I know wants to major in chemistry exclusively so he can make acid, another decided to become a neurosurgeon after taking too much acid.
Neither one knows anything about chemistry or medicine, so we'll see how well it's going to turn out for them lmao

Anonymous Sun Apr 15 15:09:27 2018 No.11005552

>>11005455
McKenna and his lectures and ideas are worth understanding. He was not an idiot. Regarding the people one often finds following him, they usually lack the intellectual and creative vigor that McKenna had; leading to them coming off as mindless zealots (which they usually are). Your friends (specifically the one majoring in chemistry) probably got caught up in the romantic visions surrounding the psychedelic "counter-culture". If one must tell people they ought to try psychedelics, they ought not promote reckless recreational use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 15:15:34 2018 No.11005587 >>11001287 >getting back into weed Why on earth would you want to do that

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 15:22:06 2018 No.11005628 >>11005552 I'm probably projecting my own disdain towards their lack of respect for psychedelics McKenna on them then. That's probably why I always viewed him as the acid version of a frat boy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 16:00:55 2018 No.11005838 >>11005587 Cannabis has many positive benefits that I enjoy with little (if any) negative consequence as long as I am responsible with my use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 18:47:08 2018 No.11006711 >>11005628 Rest assured, McKenna respected these psychedelic plants and chemicals and discouraged recreational use. Those who claim to follow McKenna often don't follow his actual advice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 18:53:20 2018 No.11006737 >>11005838 You should vape instead.

Anonymous Sun Apr 15 19:00:24 2018 No.11006774

>>10983172
>Revolutionary potential
Humanity is completely subsumed under capital and any hope of revolution in our lifetime is dead. At this point talks of revolution and what not are restricted to obscure circles like this message board where its reduced to mere soliloquy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 19:01:10 2018 No.11006779 >>11006737 I already do vaporize cannabis oil (~70% THC) in a vaporizer pen. It is the ultimate convenience.

Anonymous Sun Apr 15 19:05:34 2018 No.11006799

>>11006711
>respected
Ya. La Chorra was super respectful. Lol.
>>11006779
Same. Game-changing technology. I would like to quit though because I feel it becoming somewhat of a crutch.
>>11006774
I suppose I run in obscure circles both online and irl. A philosophag with philosophag friends discussing such topics. I feel like we should get into politics but I fear my reputation is already too tarnished from my wild days.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 19:07:53 2018 No.11006813 >>10984958 mushrooms do nothing more than bring you to the awareness of the hive mind and the hive queen, worshiping them is worshiping the cycle of life and death

Anonymous Sun Apr 15 19:28:52 2018 No.11006916

>>11006799
>La Chorra was super respectful.
We might think of respecting the plants and chemicals differently. I'm assuming you mean La Chorrera, but the events that occurred there with the McKennas and peers were far from pointless and heedless recreational pursuits. What do you imagine to be respecting the plants?

Anonymous Sun Apr 15 19:39:10 2018 No.11006970

>>10983746
Card carrying bipolar (rapid cycling) since i was 12, cutter mental hospitals the whole nine yards in my teens. Despite “wisdom” that suggests the “mentally ill” shouldnt take psychs i did it anyway and the experiences i had using psychs helped me let go and at least see what my life could be like if i took better care of myself

Its not for everyone yet for me it worked well, far better than any ssri i ever took (Indian doctors love to throw pills at me)

It cant force you to be stable, but it does shift your perspective. Its still up to you to make the litte changes

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 20:11:11 2018 No.11007141 >>11006916 Tripping every day until psychosis (what he did) is not respectful. Read the chapter from his brother's book. It's all inane stoner ramblings that makes no sense misappropriating both alchemical philosophy and psychedelic shamanism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 20:11:33 2018 No.11007142 >>11006970 What particular psychedelics did you take and at what doses?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 20:24:40 2018 No.11007197 File: 37 KB, 1200x800, D696645C-739C-4E12-BA18-964327086F37.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11006813 Sounds good until the hivequeen demands your death for the creation of new life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 20:58:17 2018 No.11007341 >>10984075 https://youtu.be/_dKoGoqX-Ig

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 23:22:10 2018 No.11008063 >>11007197 There is no hive queen without a hive. I am a free bee.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 01:53:13 2018 No.11008844 >>10984716 this is some spot-on satire

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 01:55:34 2018 No.11008851 >>10984836 I hate those images. Any regular ol picture of some fucks face sitting in a park is a trillion x a trillion times more beautiful and complex and godlike than these stupid ugly digital fractal things. Makes me want to vomit.

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:05:41 2018 No.11008890

>>10982996
Imagine purposefully overheating your GPU to look at pretty colors on the screen and then someone else come around and starts telling you that you can gain great insight and deep knowledge from the artifacts on your screen.
This is how dumb these drug gurus are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:14:27 2018 No.11008927 >>11008890 >overheating your GPU >implying this is a good analogy to what psychadellics react to the brain

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:19:20 2018 No.11008939 Almost 300 replies and I have barely learned one thing about McKenna or his ideas. Did he have much to say beyond shit like >We are the universe experiencing itself :)

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:20:18 2018 No.11008942

>>11008927
Setting aside that for example MDMA does increase your brain temperature, I could have said anything else like "imagine putting a virus in your pc" and the point would have been the same: making your brain malfunction tells you something about what your brain does when it malfunctions, that's it. The mechanisms inside your brain weren't selected for functioning correctly under those levels of neurotrasmistters and the like.
It's literally the same as fundamentalist christians thinking that near death experiences reveals these deep truths about reality. No, stuff that happens when your brain is deprived of oxygen is only indicative of...what happens when your brain is starved of oxygen.

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:27:50 2018 No.11008970
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>>11008942
its more like finding an easter egg in your OS thats left out of any documentation

the fact psilocybin and DMT arent poison but rather interactive is why people regard it so highly

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:33:24 2018 No.11008987

>>11008970
There is no "easter egg", your brain evolved. Those sensations you have is just what happens when your brain isn't working like it's supposed to. The fact that it "feels as if" whatever means nothing because your brain is the organ that makes you "feels as if".
>the fact psilocybin and DMT arent poison but rather interactive
"poison" isn't a thing, the distinction you're making is based on a false assumption.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:38:15 2018 No.11009003 >>11008987 what assumption, that one kills you, the other blasts temporary fever dreams with no consequences also theres no real "documentation" out there on said evolved brain besides a small percentage of whats been managed to be reverse engineered

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:44:10 2018 No.11009021 >>11009003 >what assumption That there is such a thing as a "poison" so that we can distinguish between a poison and something that is "interactive".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 03:00:27 2018 No.11009068 >>11009021 the thing that ends further interactions

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 03:03:31 2018 No.11009080 >>11009068 >the thing that ends further interactions Is that your definition of poison? Because it's a really shitty one. Cyanide doesn't "end further interactions" if you take a nanogram of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 03:07:33 2018 No.11009092 >>10983812 this kid never even tripped lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 03:09:44 2018 No.11009098 File: 128 KB, 683x768, benstiller.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009080 >getting into semantics

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 03:20:38 2018 No.11009139 >>10995518 i like this joke

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 11:06:33 2018 No.11010425 >>11008063 We're all part of the hive. Growing up is realizing you'll never truly separate yourself from the hive and instead wallowing in that fact you find strength in it. We're all only human after all.

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 11:52:24 2018 No.11010562

>>10992562
>I could not help what was happening. I wandered restlessly through the rooms, sat down only to stand up immediately, fetched glasses of water I couldn’t drink, sprawled on the floor, hugged my knees in the corner, looked at my watch every other moment and replied to simple questions with bewilderment.
same thing happened to me when i tried truffles. i was pretty excited about it.
also
> Even on a good day I was sexually neurotic, and this was not a good day — I was nigh psychotic.
wew it's almost like psychedelic enhance and make more extreme your mental state and taking them in public at the first date with your oneitis isn't a good idea

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 12:06:19 2018 No.11010617

>>11008851
I agree if you compare the two as only digital images on a screen. If you were fully immersed in these fractal visions (like during the described DMT experience) you would probably have a very different opinion. These digital images don't exactly capture the experience well.

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 12:13:22 2018 No.11010651

>>11008987
>>11009021
>"poison" isn't a thing, the distinction you're making is based on a false assumption.
>false assumption

>>11008942
>making your brain malfunction tells you something about what your brain does when it malfunctions

See the contradiction?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 12:18:53 2018 No.11010674 >>11010617 >If you were fully immersed in these fractal visions (like during the described DMT experience) you would probably have a very different opinion. Because then it is accompanied by an artificial sense of ecstacy and profundity.

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 12:30:39 2018 No.11010728

>>11010674
>Because then it is accompanied by an artificial sense of ecstacy and profundity.
That was my point. Also, these feelings are far from artificial. The overwhelming feelings of complete astonishment and disbelief one often has during a DMT experience are very real, though what they are immersed in may just be a (true) hallucination.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 12:42:42 2018 No.11010766 >>10984014 No, teenage stoners are what YOU think the target audience was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 14:00:08 2018 No.11011107 >>10982996 I liked his analysis of Finnegans Wake

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 15:50:05 2018 No.11011664 https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/w/images/5/5c/psychedelic_adverse_effects.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 15:54:20 2018 No.11011686 >>11008939 He didn't even say that. He was just a CIA puppet who said things like "drugs are good for you" causing herds of teenage stoners to flock to him as an intellectual justification for their drug abuse.

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 16:09:01 2018 No.11011755

>>11011686
What motivates you to spread such misinformation? You can go on to youtube and watch his lectures and look for any "teenage stoners" that apparently flock to him in the audience. Look all you want, you won't find any. Reductive ideologues like you never even listen to or read McKenna, you only ever spew nonsensical strawmans unrelated to McKenna's actual ideas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 17:05:18 2018 No.11012024 >>10987089 Still is, for example in Switzerland

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 17:10:41 2018 No.11012054 >>10987546 >Enlightenment in Buddhism stems from your inner self as far as i know, there is no inner self in budhism. nothing inside, because it is a vessel

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 17:18:49 2018 No.11012106

>>11011755
>look all you want, you won't find any
What are youtube comments? He attracts more dimwits than Alan Watts.
>reductive ideologues
Good description of Mckenna and his bastardization of philosophy.
>nonsensical strawmen
Do you know what that means? Or did you pick up the random fallacy calling from your time on reddit? McKenna is very popular on reddit. If you have trouble finding dimwitted stoners who listen to mckenna then I would suggest looking in the mirror.
>mckenna's actual ideas
Whoa man the world ended six years ago. How novel!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 17:19:56 2018 No.11012116 >>11012054 >what is buddha nature?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 17:30:05 2018 No.11012166 >>11012116 your scrotum

Anonymous Mon Apr 16 17:46:14 2018 No.11012252

>>11012106
Youtube commenters on a random video posted over a decade after McKenna's death do not represent the entirety of his following, most likely only captures a fraction of those who have ever heard or read McKenna.

How was McKenna reductive?

>He was just a CIA puppet who said things like "drugs are good for you"
Obvious strawman. Arriving at this conclusion is nonsensical, as it is completely baseless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 19:31:43 2018 No.11012783 >Terence McKenna was 6'2" tall manlets HATE him

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