Joyce Thread

[Anonymous No.10977190]

>What of his have you read?
>What’s your favorite Joyce?
>Why?
>Memorable quotes, sentences, scenes, puns, allusions, etc.
I’ve read all but FW, which i plan to start this week. My favorite is the short story from Dubliners titled “A Little Cloud” because of its seamless transitioning between thought and action, and the painful juxtaposition between stagnation and progress in each of the men’s lives. I can’t really answer my last question, though a young Stephen being whipped by the hands in class comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.10977218]

>>10977190
What foundational knowledge should one have to get the most out of Ulysses and Finnegans Wake?

[Anonymous No.10977247]

>>10977218
All the knowledge

[Anonymous No.10977267]

>>10977247
This might be true for FW, but not for Ulysses.

[Anonymous No.10977270]

>>10977218
All the greeks
The bible
Roman Chatholic miedevile philosophers
Irish national political history
british cultural imperialism
theosophy and other esoteric works
all irish poets
every medium available to humans up to the early twenty century
a map of dublin
a tasting guide to irish libations
a fart sniffers almanac
a song book of sea shanties and jigs, plus some hymes
a good understanding of the french novel in the 19 century
a sense of the general masochism that is involved in reading not for pleasure but as an act of defiance against a force much greater than you, much stranger, much to complex to know
the book of kels
the cloud of unknowning
probably painting and sculpture too

[Anonymous No.10977304]

Dubliners and Portrait. Like both of them equally. Got spooked when he starting describing Hell in Portrait, almost became a Catholic tbqh

[Anonymous No.10977322]

>>10977190
>What of his have you read?
Dubliners, Portrait, Stephen Hero, Ulysses
>favourite
Ulysses
>extremely diverse, fun, feels like I can read it for the rest of my life
>quotes
"I fear those big words," Stephen said "which make us so unhappy." because I just happened to think of it this morning.

Probably gonna read FW this summer, Exiles and the poems sometime before.

[Anonymous No.10977488]

>>10977218
This mindset is stupid, assuming you’re at all interested in literature you should be fine. Do you have at least a casual acquaintance with Dante, Goethe, Shakespeare, the Bible, and Homer? Then you should be fine. Hell, you could even read it without much knowledge of those and still enjoy it. The allusions are the driest, most tedious, and silly parts of Ulysses. The best parts are when he’s just writing some beautiful prose and trying to get into character’s heads in as many different forms of stream-of-consciousness as possible. Behind all the baggage of literary and philosophical allusions, it’s fundamentally a comical realist novel.

[Anonymous No.10977498]

>>10977488

THIS

[Anonymous No.10977507]

>>10977190

>What of his have you read?
Portrait, Ulysses

>What’s your favorite Joyce?
Ulysses

>Why?
I liked how the form (style, prose) adapted itself to the content (plot) of the single chapters in order t convey meaning. The same can be said of structure. They all play together to convey the meaning - and this is what it means, to me, for a novel to be well done.

[Anonymous No.10977514]

>>10977218
I'm going to say somewhere between these two people
>>10977270
>>10977488
You really don't need to have read much, especially if you have a copy of Gifford's Ulysses Annotated to explain the allusions, but it will definitely help to have read at least Hamlet, the Odyssey, bits of the Bible, and maybe some Wilde beforehand.

[Anonymous No.10977546]

>>10977514
fair enough. i was raised catholic, read the Odyssey and hamlet, have never read wilde. nonetheless i’ll give it a whirl.

[Anonymous No.10977704]

>>10977514
err towards the ladder, between the angle twisting through bad luck as joke the father who art in the living room will preach rational folly expected as mythopoetic translations to idiots and children, a error stepped ladder in life's triangle of reason, emotion, and passion. all footing being the grounds for making us hang the picture without a leveler and still find peace in joyful playing the evil skip under the badluck superstitious, stupor situation bland bass roar get out from under there before you get, hurt folly fosters renditions of myth to tragic aims to laugh at the rule, almost religious juxtaposing just a father poses to hang the family tree by the fire place, hurry for a sec, don't error, and over. Over the underneath, over the snowfort collapsing. the ladder folded to climb to cobwebbed courner, unadorned, music non adorno, especially the day in mind as you break the sanctity of someplace you probably should go but do for whateverreason, what purpose only seeing purposelessness in some thought gone, the superstition back to a clump of grass a child builds a palace with in sun somewhere outside while you're doing, helping for some such reason. err on the side of fortune that brings you to worship that blankness and goodness of passion a moment before your agency, almost grasped, almost in control. Why choose at all to learn magic, or have you language broken down into spells of what thoughts could mean if compounded with other resources.

[Anonymous No.10978054]

>>10977704
wut

[Anonymous No.10978058]

I enjoyed Araby.

"Gazing up into the darkness I saw myself as a creature driven and derided by vanity; and my eyes burned with anguish and anger."

It reminds me of Ecclesiastes. I often think of both when I am out and about. All is vanity.

[Anonymous No.10978068]

>>10978058
Is this copied and pasted from Frankenstein? I hate romantics

[Anonymous No.10978092]

>>10977304
>Got spooked when he starting describing Hell in Portrait
As far as I remember, this description of Hell is in itself jocular.
>>10977322
>"I fear those big words," Stephen said "which make us so unhappy."
As far as it goes, this is the least favorable quote for me. It sounds so naive, so cliched. How can mere words, mere concepts make you unhappy? And it's not like it was said as tongue-in-cheek.

[Anonymous No.10978094]

>>10978092
still spooky

[Anonymous No.10978124]

>>10978092
are you on of those people who tears down but never builds up? i’d imagine yes

[Anonymous No.10978157]

Basically every line of Eveline. Perfect short story.

[Anonymous No.10978313]

>>10978092
>how can mere words, mere concepts make you unhappy?
Where do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.10978357]

Have you lads heard of the Humpty Dumpty?

[Anonymous No.10978368]

>>10978092
>How can mere words, mere concepts make you unhappy?
Questo io conosco e sento,
Che degli eterni giri,
Che dell'esser mio frale,
Qualche bene o contento
Avrà fors'altri; a me la vita è male.

[Anonymous No.10978400]

>>10978368
did you know Dante was homosexual?

[Anonymous No.10978448]

>>10978400
did you know you are homosexual?

[Anonymous No.10978477]

>>10978448
no. jesus christ. how did you known

[Anonymous No.10978482]

>>10978477
nothing gayer than being gay; I can always tell

[Anonymous No.10978709]

>>10977190
>What of his have you read?
Read Dubliners and am currently just about to start the fifth, and final, chapter of Portrait. Gonna start Ulysses ASAP and am saving FW for when I have a fuck-ton more time.
>What’s your favorite Joyce?
Really tough. Dubliners was amazing, especially for the three most depressing stories (A Little Cloud, Counterparts, A Painful Case) and so far the highlights of Portrait have been Stephen's epiphany on the beach at the end of chapter four, and his delve into sin at the end of chapter two. Can't choose between them desu; Dubliners is better on its own, but Portrait is so much more emotional and dare I say relatable to me in particular. However, I expect this will all be moot when I read Ulysses: I've done a fuckton of reading on it beforehand and am almost certain that when I read it it will shoot to the top of my favorites lists. But I guess we'll see.
>Memorable quotes, sentences, scenes, puns, allusions, etc.
The final paragraph of The Dead (of course) and the part of Portrait where Stephen tries to figure out why he finds beauty in words; the prose of that paragraph is so beautiful it's unforgettable, and honestly makes me sad reading it just knowing I can never reach that peak.

[Anonymous No.10978918]

>memorable quote
MAWMAW LUK YER BEEFTAY'S FIZZIN OVER

My favorite part about that quote is in Tyndall's guide to Finnegans Wake, the annotation reads "God knows why Joyce was obsessed with this phrase."