Graphic Novels

[Anonymous No.1096401]

ITT: Recommendations.

[Anonymous No.1096403]

Graphic novels are tales told by images.Go to /co/.

[Anonymous No.1096406]

I'm beginning to come to the realization that the term Graphic Novel is never going to die.

[Anonymous No.1096407]

>>>/co/

[Anonymous No.1096409]

Krazy Kat.

[Anonymous No.1096429]

gise THIS light novella is so GREAT that it must mean its belong to this board for DEEPER, intrincate plots o_O

[STLFag !IeX.oK0HUk No.1096431]

Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth

I cannot possibly recommend it enough.

[Anonymous No.1096432]

>>1096429
Actually you're wrong

[Anonymous No.1096452]

>>1096431
F.C. Ware has a fairly unique approach to comics. It isn't a topic directly at the forefront of his work: but he has an approach that uniformly considers the drawn image as "text." Or to put it another way: He utilizes symbols with a pictographic sensibility. From the wiki:

>I arrived at my way of "working" as a way of visually approximating what I feel the tone of fiction to be in prose versus the tone one might use to write biography; I would never do a biographical story using the deliberately synthetic way of cartooning I use to write fiction. I try to use the rules of typography to govern the way that I "draw", which keeps me at a sensible distance from the story as well as being a visual analog to the way we remember and conceptualize the world. I figured out this way of working by learning from and looking at artists I admired and whom I thought came closest to getting at what seemed to me to be the "essence" of comics, which is fundamentally the weird process of reading pictures, not just looking at them. I see the black outlines of cartoons as visual approximations of the way we remember general ideas, and I try to use naturalistic color underneath them to simultaneously suggest a perceptual experience, which I think is more or less the way we actually experience the world as adults; we don't really "see" anymore after a certain age, we spend our time naming and categorizing and identifying and figuring how everything all fits together. [...]

What really impresses me about Ware is that this approach provides a consistency that I haven't seen from too many comic book artists who've been in the game for more than a decade. From his earliest still-in-print work (Quimby the Mouse, 1990) there's about a dozen or so consistent motifs that run through all his work.

Oh, and he's mind-bendingly into the topics bleakness, nostalgia, and selfishness.

[Anonymous No.1096458]

Boogiepop Phantom - Light Novel
Battle Royale - Novel
Absolute Sandman - Graphic Anthology
V for Vendetta - Graphic Novel.

[Anonymous No.1096473]

>>1096432
O_o

[Anonymous No.1096904]

Lynda Barry

[Anonymous No.1096908]

>>1096458

V for Vendetta: Limited Series

[Anonymous No.1096913]

[Anonymous No.1096916]

The league of extraordinary gentlemen

seriously awesome and totally /lit/ related as the team consists of famous literary characters.
Great stories, superb artwork, oshitawesome atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.1096928]

Are there lots of western novels with illustrations like Japanese light novels?

[Anonymous No.1096931]

Hellboy. I love perhaps nothing but breasts the same way I love Hellboy (by which I mean the stuff drawn and scripted by MM.) Text is perfectly measured, and I love literally everything about this series, except the fact it has to be tied up to be commercially viable. (Thank you Katie)

[Anonymous No.1096934]

I figured someone would have mention From Hell by now.

maybe I am alone in liking it?

[Anonymous No.1096936]

>>1096916
THIS.SO.MUCH.
I sustained multiple orgasms throughout.

[Anonymous No.1096939]

>>1096431

This.

And Lucifer by Mike Carey.

[Anonymous No.1096940]

>>1096904
I second this, but also suggest Pixy.

[Anonymous No.1096950]

>>1096916
>>1096931
this two=awesomeawesomeesauce
>>1096939
>>1096913
good as well, but Morpheus is one angsty little bitch and the artwork can be so-so.

My suggestion; Transmetropolitan, because Hunter S. a cyberpunk, what's not to like?

[Anonymous No.1096990]

>>1096939

Seconding this. Lucifer in Lucifer is by far the best and most interesting character you can encounter in comics.

[Anonymous No.1096996]

>ctrl-F
>no Blankets
>mfw

[Anonymous No.1097000]

Read Lucifer only after reading Sandman, as it's something of a continuation.

[Anonymous No.1097016]

What's /lit/'s general opinion with Alan Moore anyway?

Also recommending anything Alan Moore has ever written. It's all fantastic.

[Anonymous No.1097019]

>>1096458
> Battle Royale
Kids fighting kids to the death? FUCK YEAH!

[Anonymous No.1097673]

Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron
Ghost World
Transmetropolitan

[STLFag !IeX.oK0HUk No.1097682]

>>1096996
Also really good.
>>1097016
Even Lost Girls?

[Jerks !!USHZtxsn4gh No.1097693]

Arkham Asylum
Mr. Punch

Anything Dave McKean worked on.

[Anonymous No.1097691]

I've always wondered what was wrong with the term "comic books" its so fun and whimsical and describes the medium perfectly. It is a book full of comics. It seems like "graphic novel" is just a pretentious way to sound more legitiment.

[Anonymous No.1097701]

>>1096931

[Minorin !Y4SoHX4AQw No.1097704]

ToraDora

http://www.onemanga.com/Tora_Dora/

[STLFag !IeX.oK0HUk No.1097707]

>>1097691
When I think of "comic books", I think of episodic, monster-of-the-week type of stand-alone issues. "Graphic novel" just sounds like something that is meant as a single, full-length text.

To me, at least.

[Anonymous No.1097709]

>>1097691
The term Graphic Novel goes back to the days when comic book publishers wouldn't try their hands at publishing more 'adult' titles and 'proper' publishers wouldn't publish a comic book. The name was made to circumvent the stigma towards comic books and get titles like A Contract with God published.

Over the years things have been added to the definition of the name. For instance, the 'Graphic Novels' being published almost always had a clear end in sight, unlike Comic Books, which could go on forever.

[Anonymous No.1097742]

The term "graphic novel" was something that was thought up in the '80s by marketing people and there was a guy called Bill Spicer who used to do a brilliant fanzine back in the sixties called Graphic Story Magazine. He came up with the term "graphic story". That's got something to recommend it, you know, I can see "graphic story" if you need it to call it something but the thing that happened in the mid-'80s was that there were a couple of things out there that you could just about call a novel. You could just about call Maus a novel, you could probably just about call Watchmen a novel, in terms of density, structure, size, scale, seriousness of theme, stuff like that. The problem is that "graphic novel" just came to mean "expensive comic book" and so what you'd get is people like DC Comics or Marvel comics - because "graphic novels" were ge tting some attention, they'd stick six issues of whatever worthless piece of crap they happened to be publishing lately under a glossy cover and call it The She-Hulk Graphic Novel, you know? It was that that I think tended to destroy any progress that comics might have made in the mid-'80s. The companies, the marketing people, who are not terribly bright individuals, they're not terribly creative, they don't really have the hang of - well, I mean, they really haven't got the hang of the 1970s yet, so the 21st century is a long way behind them and they think in very short term measures and consequently they were more or less to blame for destroying whatever kind of momentum the comic book picked up in the '80s by immediately using it predictably to sell a load of Batman, Spiderman shit.
Alan Moore

Neil was chatting to a publisher who became very awkward upon discovering he wrote comics. When he realized who Neil actually was he relaxed saying, "Ah, but you don't write comics. You write graphic novels." And Neil suddenly felt like a prostitute who had just been referred to a "lady of the night".
Anecdote about Neil Gaiman

[Anonymous No.1097762]

>>1097742
Incredibley well researched post.

[Anonymous No.1097771]

>>1096950
You... recommended Transmet over Sandman?

Nigger, that isn't even Ellis's best work. Just his most angsty/edgy teenager crap.

[Anonymous No.1097777]

It's about deep-sea divers from the future.

[Anonymous No.1098327]

I can't believe this hasn't been suggested yet.
Also, graphic novels are literature. So, shut the fuck up all of you.

[Anonymous No.1098333]

Sometimes I think Dan Clowes could just go take a dump on a sheet of paper and I'd still love it

Then I remember that the Art School Confidential movie actually happened and it sucked

[Anonymous No.1098338]

It's a comic, not a graphic novel. Then again, you're probably a troll anyway.
Just because it's a comic, doesn't mean it's bad, but it doesn't belong on /lit/

[Anonymous No.1098340]

Graphic Novels: Vendetta, Maus, Lions of Baghdad, We3

Non-graphic Novels: Thomas Pynchon

[Anonymous No.1098408]

>>1098327

This reminds me of a "book report" I had to do where I argued with my teacher on whether a graphic novel was a permissible subject. Ended up giving in and doing it on To Kill a Mockingbird or something.

Yeah my vote goes to Maus.

[Anonymous No.1098416]

Burma Chronicles is a good one if you have any interest in the subject.

[Anonymous No.1098876]

If "graphic novels" are literature, what about comics that are clearly 'comics' in that they're released in monthly magazines and released in volumes.

For example YKK. It's the best comic I've read, yet not callable a 'graphic novel' by the strict definition given in this thread (pic related).

TBH. I hate the whole word. Why not call them comics and appreciate the good ones by their own merits.

[Anonymous No.1098884]

>>1098876
Graphic novels are comics. The word "graphic novel" means the same thing as the word "comic" to everyone except stupid pretentious nerds

[solid sock No.1098886]

SANDMAN!
the invisibles are also neat

[Anonymous No.1098888]

I read 'Watchmen and Philosophy' a few weeks ago. The final section was asking whether or not it counted as literature. The simple answer was yes, it does - however, it obviously isn't as 'literature' as say, Dickens. Think of it as the Reliant Robin of literature.

The only people who argue that it isn't literature are elitist twats.

Fitting captcha: cloball postmodern.

[Anonymous No.1098890]

>>1097704
Fuck no

[Anonymous No.1098908]

>>1098876
Watchmen was originally released in monthly format.

[Anonymous No.1098913]

apparently, no one ITT has read Persepolis, which has about as a legit claim to the name "graphic novel" as either Maus or Watchmen. maybe more than Watchmen, and I fucking loved that book.

[Anonymous No.1098935]

ITT: Comic readers in denial

[Anonymous No.1098957]

Jesus fucking christ how retarded is it to mix an objective definition of the FORMAT of a story/piece of entertainment with the QUALITY of it.

[Anonymous No.1098974]

>>1098408
I wrote my university dissertation on wether comics/graphic novels can be classed as significant in modern literature. My argument was 'yes'. Got the highest grade possible for it.

[Anonymous No.1099498]

>>1098913
Persepolis is the Kite Runner of comics. I don't mean to be disparaging, I enjoyed both Persepolis and the Kite Runner but they are not masterpieces. Not by a long shot.