Have any of you actually done a major in philosophy or literature? If so, do you regret it? I might want to do a Master's in it, but i'm not sure about the job prospects.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:43:31 2018 No.10944181 [Reply] [Original]

Have any of you actually done a major in philosophy or literature? If so, do you regret it?
I might want to do a Master's in it, but i'm not sure about the job prospects.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:48:29 2018 No.10944208

>>10944181
Yes, I majored in both philosophy and english. The only regret I have is that given the poor job prospects, I had to go to law school. It’s obvious philosophy did not help my reasoning and critical thinking abilities, because only a complete and utter moron would go to law school.

So... don’t go unless you’ve got an inheritance or you’re a fucking moron who wants to be an attorney.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:49:46 2018 No.10944214 >>10944181 That's a very cute girl.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:51:57 2018 No.10944230 >>10944181 plz forward my marriage proposal to that girl, will go communist

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:54:10 2018 No.10944244 >>10944208 Does it really depend on your specializaton or not?

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:58:34 2018 No.10944268

>>10944244
Not sure... I’m not a /pol/tard or anything but I will say all the young faculty at my university seemed to specialize in Asian Studies, or Queer Lit, or some other niché gender theory realm. I wanted to specialize in Shakespeare studies but there’s no hope for that sort of thing anymore, at least until the boomers fade away.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:00:04 2018 No.10944278 File: 881 KB, 350x350, 1510329946042.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10944268 >the young faculty at my university seemed to specialize in Asian Studies, or Queer Lit That's fucking disgusting

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:11:22 2018 No.10944344 File: 113 KB, 872x654, 1499657805967.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10944230 >flash and circle >communist

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:12:10 2018 No.10944349 >>10944214 For you

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:14:39 2018 No.10944365 >>10944181 of course not retard, I do comp sci la creatura...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:17:01 2018 No.10944378 >>10944365 lol that’s a pure Med/Alpinid stock woman you dumb fucking ant

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:25:41 2018 No.10944437 >>10944365 she's the right kind of creatura

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:29:39 2018 No.10944468

>>10944181
>Have any of you actually done a major in philosophy or literature?
yes
>If so, do you regret it?
No. I learned a lot from getting my degree in philosophy and also had enough time to read fiction and take math classes that I found interesting. I like STEM classes and always performed well in them but I would really never want to do a job involving them so the lack of job prospects doesn't really bother me. I don't know if it's a good idea to get a postgraduate degree in a humanities subject though unless your a ninja networker who goes to an ivy league tier school.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:33:41 2018 No.10944493 >>10944214 >girl Anon I have some bad news

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 16:30:06 2018 No.10944797 Phil major for personal enrichment and Comp sci minor for career.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 16:31:33 2018 No.10944813 >>10944493 nah....it cannot be

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 16:31:55 2018 No.10944816 I majored in English and minored in Philosophy. I regret it as I do everything else I have ever done.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 16:34:38 2018 No.10944833 >>10944181 Currently majoring in philosophy, hope to go to law school. Should I not do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 16:35:24 2018 No.10944840 >>10944493 It's a girl

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 16:56:01 2018 No.10944963 >>10944833 I was hoping you could tell me

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:00:27 2018 No.10944993

>>10944833
Depends how much you value your time. Law is a profession that cannot be undertaken adequately without the near complete sacrifice of all other endeavors. You will read 95% less fiction, you will write little to nothing. You will have trouble dating unless you meet someone in law school or meet a fellow lawyer. You’ll work late hours every night and on most weekends. The profession will consume you.
Some people are into that. I’ve practiced for five years now, and I’m calling it quits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:02:30 2018 No.10945004 >>10944993 Lawyer here. This and only this. My life is a whirlwind. I don’t even have time to lament the years I’ve wasted doing this.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:15:59 2018 No.10945079

>>10944181
Well, I did an honor's in literature (minor drama), then a BFA, minor art history, then an MA in literature, then a PhD in literature. I had fun, but from any career point of view, it was beyond idiotic. If I had literally gone back to high school, gotten my math and science grades boosted, done a B.Sc., applied to med school, been rejected five times, barely scraped through, and had a massive student loan to pay off, I'd still be rich and able to live comfortably working three days a week now and reading the rest of the time. Instead, I'm an under-employed adjunct like so many others, while my sister-in-law (M.D.) made 5-7x what I did last year, with massive amounts of vacation time. It's a fool's game.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:38:08 2018 No.10945208

if you're even considering studying any sort of liberal arts you're fucking done bro. you're not a worker. your intellectual potential and youthful vigor were squandered, society did not need you for anything productive, did not train you for productive work, and so you should start repairing your relationship with your parents because you're gonna have to rely on them for your income. hopefully they knew what they were doing when they created a life-form and then failed to habitualize them to society. seriously if you read when you're bored you're done. you won't be happy in the workforce. devote your life to what you like.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:44:23 2018 No.10945239

>>10944181
Currently doing BA Literature with intent to pursue Master's in a different subject. It's a little bit 'light', so to speak: we don't read any philosophy, mostly canon texts (although I tend to choose the more traditional modules). Commies are less of a problem than I anticipated; in fact, most people seem a little shy to spout leftist rhetoric for fear of looking like idiots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:45:22 2018 No.10945247 >>10944208 >So... don’t go unless . . . you’re a fucking moron who wants to be an attorney. unironically, fpbp t. B.A. in Philosophy, J.D., now halfway through a program to become certified to teach English grades 6-12

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:47:00 2018 No.10945260

>>10945208
This is kind of true. There are probably things you can do, like even some form of teaching might suit you better. But the workforce that most people enter is really soul destroying. If you're happy with work dominating your mon-fri and live for getting drunk on saturday, then that's for you. But you should try and add some skills to work somewhere interesting if it's not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:48:56 2018 No.10945275 >>10944278 Yeah who tf would study anything from the largest continent on earth. How absurd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:54:37 2018 No.10945304 I studied something practical (accounting) but I can't stand it. Hoping to go back as soon as I save up some money. Don't really know if I'll be able to do it, but I really have a thirst for intellectually satisfying work.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:56:21 2018 No.10945313

>>10944437
she's not mixed race, european 20 year old college dropouts don't realize that half the Euro race, pure bred, are swarthy, brunettes with brown eyes. Even most Germans do not have Blonde hair, and many Nords in fact have dark hair or brown eyes. There's never been a pure Nordic stock at all. The highest incidences of blonde hair are in the Baltic states.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 17:56:43 2018 No.10945315 >>10944993 >>10945004 Still have enough time to shitpost

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:01:16 2018 No.10945347

BA double major in poli sci and philosophy. Poli was for work, phil was for education. Probably going to do the law school meme and turn that phil degree into crazy good money. Ironically phil is a better major than a lot of the softer subjects for job oppertunites; problem is there is no philosophy sector so you’ll be working outside your field.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:14:49 2018 No.10945421

>>10944181

Are you all americans? I'm from northern Europe, and unironically, a lot of philosophy majors end up working jobs that aren't shitty. Consultancy and management are fairly common, as is teaching, both in schools and private lecturing businesses. We have a couple of companies specializing in serving up basic bitch stoicism for business leaders in pseud-fest seminars that last 4 hours and cost 5000-10000 USD.

Sure, unemployment statistics and rates of people ending up in perpetual McJobs are relatively high, but not that much higher than other humanities degrees, and that probably has more to do with the subject attracting a lot of stoners and fuck-ups who think that smoking hash and talking about Alan Watts quotes all day is what philosophy is all about. I think the same dynamic goes for most humanities degrees. There's a very low bar for just scraping by and a very high bar for excelling, whereas there is more ruthless selection in STEM, meaning that less fuck-ups end up with a STEM degree, which shows in the final statistics for employment and earnings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:16:18 2018 No.10945423 About to graduate with a Lit degree. Pretty clueless over what to do with it. I'm all ears for suggestions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:32:38 2018 No.10945486 >>10945423 kys

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:37:01 2018 No.10945509 >>10945247 Is a teaching certificate spensive?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:37:32 2018 No.10945516 >>10945079 I thought most doctor's were crazy overworked

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:43:32 2018 No.10945545

>>10945347
This is true. I double majored in Philosophy/Sociology and ended up working as a business systems analyst in IT. Landed $55k/yr salary job right out of college with a philosophy degree. I feel pretty satisfied since, after all, I was able to study what I wanted to study. And the job isn't very difficult (with decent career growth - I was promoted in two years and the pay cap before moving into IT management hovers around $120-140k).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:45:58 2018 No.10945558 >>10945545 how and why did you get that job when sociology and phil have absolutely nothing at all to do with that shit? did you go to grad school? did a friend get the job for you? what type of phil and sociology? what do you do at that "job"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:54:12 2018 No.10945605 >>10945558 Seconding this. Surely you must've gone through some sort of technical training, no?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 18:58:45 2018 No.10945635 >>10945423 Teach

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 19:37:37 2018 No.10945844 >>10945509 The program I am in is a 7 month program for people with a 4 year degree on something other than education. Adding in costs for exams I have to pass, I'll end up spending about $4000.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 21:41:49 2018 No.10946502 >>10944181 Yes I regret it. I drive a taxi now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 23:07:53 2018 No.10946843 Don't do it unless you have a comfy trust fund to your name

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 23:31:16 2018 No.10946946 >>10945247 are you the husserl scholar?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 23:35:59 2018 No.10946972 >>10944493 This is from Italy iirc. You're thinking of America where most attractive smart looking chicks are either dykes or traps

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 23:45:33 2018 No.10947022 >>10945304 Accountant here, I think about suicide on a daily basis. What options are you considering?

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 23:50:28 2018 No.10947053

i did a history degree, so fucking stupid, you can't talk about it outside of academia cuz fags who watch documentaries about world war 2 will be like "zomg no wai im a history buff myself" its like yeah ok breh, that and the fact i learned only one or two things that werent in books, plus i was a marxist so i took every class with a bad attitude, i would kill myself but im getting so old it would be a waste of time at this point

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 01:21:03 2018 No.10947460

>>10945304
I did a BA (Hons) in Literature and an MA in Creative Writing. I have a decent management job but am studying accountancy pt to have something practical to fall back on (I have a family).

Maybe you'll end up doing the opposite. No reason why not

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 01:33:40 2018 No.10947500 File: 708 KB, 408x303, 1522604182841.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10947053 well if you're not a marxist anymore, you have no good reason to kill yourself anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 02:55:48 2018 No.10947742 >>10944181 I did a philosophy BA. I don't regret it because I double majored and it was interesting to me at the time. I'm not as interested in philosophy as I used to be, and am not as convinced of its value.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 02:56:33 2018 No.10947743 >>10944181 >caring about jobs

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 02:58:20 2018 No.10947747 I hide the fact that I did a philosophy degree now. I tell people I didn't go to university.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 02:59:03 2018 No.10947751 >>10946946 No

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 04:16:28 2018 No.10947935 >>10946502 is it a nice taxi?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 05:39:06 2018 No.10948141 They aren't the kind of degrees you do if you care about muh job prospects You're going to end up in a mediocre career no matter what you do anyway. Do you think if you do maths you're actually going to get 100k starting?

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 05:44:08 2018 No.10948148

>>10944181
>Have any of you actually done a major in philosophy or literature?
Yes, majored in philosophy
>If so, do you regret it?
No
>I might want to do a Master's in it, but i'm not sure about the job prospects.
They are awful but education and university shouldn't be mere paper mills for your CV

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 05:53:29 2018 No.10948163 File: 416 KB, 500x775, crime.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10944208 Currently finishing a masters in Legal Philosophy it's really having the best of both worlds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 05:57:29 2018 No.10948177 >>10947935 Don't believe shit you read on Facebook. It's clearly a fake taxi.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 05:58:05 2018 No.10948178

Went to a community college for a couple of years and didn't finish my degree due to dyscalculia making it impossible to pass even the remedial math course and aside from my writing abilities and imagination I'm probably legally retarded

But I learned that English degrees are only really worth it if you want to teach, and I don't.
I thought about teaching overseas in Japan because I'm a weeb, but nah.
I can't deal with people, yet alone children, even if the Japanese domesticate their offspring.

Creative Writing degrees are useless if you don't have any actual talent.
It's of my belief that talent cannot be taught.

I'd say that at least the classes were interesting, but my CW teacher had us studying The Hunger Games as an "example of great literary work"
We didn't even watch the book in class, no were we required to read it
We just watched the movie

I learned absolutely nothing from any of my writing classes.
The only interesting classes were lit and that was because we actually read.
Much to the dismay of the rest of the class.

Overall?
I regret the debt I obtained from it and it felt like a waste of my life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 06:51:51 2018 No.10948277 >>10948178 So what degree did you finish with eventually?

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 10:06:13 2018 No.10948905

I'm just finishing the second year of my degree in lit. For what I want to do after my degree, my mind keeps coming back to becoming a teacher. I hate the idea of doing a PGCE in order to teach at primary or secondary schools. I wouldn't like to only be able to teach 16+ year olds. Never taught before but I imagine the job being really satisfying when it can be.

Being stuck in an office all day making spreadsheets and correcting terrible intranet designs is what I fear doing. I would rather work in a cafe serving coffee than do that. At least you can actually move around when teaching.

Thought about journalism too. Written a few articles now and then for free community papers and the university magazine. I hate writing to appeal to idiots. I don't think I can stick to it long enough, in order to build a decent portfolio that would secure me in the field. It's just work I don't give a shit about.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 10:14:48 2018 No.10948936

>>10948905
I hate the idea of doing a PGCE, because of the stories I've heard from friends of friends who have done it. They've said how difficult and straining it is. I'm not letting that stop me from wanting to do it, it's just the thought of work overload I dread. However that's unavoidable for wanting to be anything I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 10:18:43 2018 No.10948949 >>10948905 teach at a community college, just get a Ph.D

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 10:20:14 2018 No.10948954

Academic philosophy is hot garbage, particularly if your university follows the anglo approach. You'll profit much more from following philosophy charts on /lit/ and taking a historical approach to western reasoning.

Study something useful and read phil in your spare time. You'll end up annoyed by whatever subject you study formally anyway, so it's better to not do that with a subject you actually like. I took classes on Plato and Aristotle and it took me like a year to enjoy them again because I had to cram the shitty required interpretations of them to pass the exams. And I loved reading Aristotle before.

Not worth it personally.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 10:49:22 2018 No.10949080

>>10948949
We don't have community colleges in the UK. The closest thing to that here would probably be just a lecturer, but teaching the access or credit for entry courses.

I have considered doing a masters and then a Ph.D, not sure about doing them all in lit though. Feel like I'd need to at least do a masters in something else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 11:41:31 2018 No.10949253 >>10947935 It's a car I hired from a company that hires vehicles to Uber drivers. So I'm and Uber driver.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 11:46:21 2018 No.10949279 Studied spanish lit for a while but dropped out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 11:46:38 2018 No.10949281 >>10945558 I've got to third this

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:10:49 2018 No.10949383 >>10944181 Nope. And I do not regret it.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:25:41 2018 No.10949441

I'm transferring into a school to do a philosophy undergrad, and I hope to pursue it further after that.
I took a shit ton of credits at a community college, so it looks like I won't have to spend 4 years (possibly only 2) getting my BA, so i've at least mitigated some debt.
It's really fucking risky but I work really hard, I usually read and study 4-8 hours a day, and I honestly can't really see myself doing anything else as a career.
pls no bully

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:29:25 2018 No.10949465 >>10944797 >implying anyone cares about your minor for career kek, retard, you did it the opposite of how you shoudlve

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:36:20 2018 No.10949498 >>10947022 gun and exit bag right now. ill probably fuck up with a noose and everything else sounds too slow/painful. pills/drowning/immolation/etc. are no good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:43:21 2018 No.10949536 >>10945558 fourth

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:45:42 2018 No.10949551
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Got a B.A. in English/Writing in preparation for Law School, but the field is absolutely glutted with fresh attorneys who had flawless GPAs and are still struggling to find work. Since I'm not Jewish/PoC and my GPA wasn't perfect, there's no chance in hell I'd be accepted to a law school with actually valuable credentials, much less actually get a job upon graduation. So I'm taking what experience I have studying constitutional law and preparing to become a police officer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:46:27 2018 No.10949554 currently rhetoric major, studied philosophy @ jc drop philo, learn something which allows you to daub life, live with a broad margin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:50:38 2018 No.10949574 I was going to go for an MFA should I just go for electrical engineering?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 12:58:04 2018 No.10949600 Sorry if this is OT, but can anyone give me, an ignorant eurofag, an overview of the US's education system? What are majors, minors, masters? They happen in college or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 13:04:14 2018 No.10949629 >>10948178 hahaha same

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 13:12:21 2018 No.10949657 >>10946972 this isn’t true even a little bit you dumb fucking 21 year old autist

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 13:18:39 2018 No.10949685 >>10949574 If you have doubts don’t get into it. MFA’s should be for people who would have a literary career without them. If you do, you’ll probably find a mad dog of a writer in your program who’ll make you weep. Trust me.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 13:41:09 2018 No.10949785

>>10949600
Majors and minors are for undergrad, which is the first 4 years of college immediately after graduating from high school (US equiv of European secondary school). Majors are what you focus your education on, such as business, Chemistry, Calculus, English, Politics, etc. Minors are usually chosen as a supplement to your Major, such as an Accounting/Finance Major taking a Minor in statistics as preparation for a career in financial analysis or something. Completion of undergrad
gets you a Bachelor's degree in your Major and Minor.

A Master's degree immediately follows a Bachelor's degree, and usually takes 1-3 years to receive. A Master's degree will usually have you focusing on one distinct subject, related to your undergrad degree most of the time (but some people can earn a Master's degree in something unrelated to their Bachelor's degree if the school they apply to can be convinced that they have sufficient knowledge on the topic). For example, I have a Bachelor's degree in English, but I want a Master's degree (and eventually PhD) in Neolithic Archaeology. Since my undergrad is totally unrelated to what I want out of grad school, I have to take my sweet-ass time volunteering with local Archaeology efforts and paying for field schools before I can convince any school I apply to that I am capable of earning that Master's degree. My undergrad GPA was kinda shitty because of family issues too, so I'm fighting an uphill battle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 13:47:09 2018 No.10949814 >>10949785 And Master's degree is what you do at graduate school or what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:24:40 2018 No.10949994 I'm going to do my Masters in Business before going into philosophy so that I can afford to study on the side. I wish I could study it now because it's a subject that I really love.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:33:50 2018 No.10950021

>>10949551
>Since I'm not Jewish/PoC and my GPA wasn't perfect, there's no chance in hell I'd be accepted to a law school with actually valuable credentials

I either listed myself as white or else did not respond to those questions on my applications (I'm actually hispanic, and had a gpa of roughly 2.8 when applying. My 178 LSAT was good enough to gain me entry to what was then the #20 law school in the nation, and located in D.C. You definitely could get into a good school with a good enough LSAT. Whether you have a job upon graduation is up to you and what you do in terms of building a reputation and connections while in school through internships, jobs, and even using your professors for networking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:36:37 2018 No.10950032 >>10949465 >>10949465 LmAo literally this

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:38:54 2018 No.10950040 >>10949785 you’re a retarded dilettante basically >>10950021 >you control how attractive and sociable you are no, this is folk psychology crap. status is fixed from genetic factors and luck. agency plays no part in life outcomes

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:43:56 2018 No.10950071

>>10945516
They are. The 3 day workweek meme is the medicine equivalent of 300k starting, because only 50yo overly successful private practitioners can manage it, and only after spending 25 years working their asses off. Those 5-10 years of 80h/week to gain a specialization are pretty much inescapable, unless you're ok with doing nothing but the most entry level medical jobs with relatively shit pay and perennial bad hours.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:52:47 2018 No.10950103

>>10944181
I did history and now I teach philosophy and history in high school (I'm still just a temp tho), close enough?
I don't regret it. I'm aware that I don't have a prestigious job, and the pay is less than ideal, and that I can get the boot every june, but what is the alternative? Spending my life doing jobs I loathe for the sake of a few bucks more? No thanks.
Besides, I know myself well enough to realize that I wouldn't have managed to muster enough willpower to study STEM bullshit, I would just haave wasted years of my life trying.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:54:51 2018 No.10950113 [DELETED]

>10950040
>status is fixed from genetic factors and luck. agency plays no part in life outcomes

I'm sorry you feel that way. Of course genetics and the SES you're born into play a huge role in how your life goes, but you absolutely have it within your power to change things around to at least a certain extent. My own father is not a very handsome man, is a PoC who was born and raised in what was easily one of the worst neighborhoods in the country at the time, if not the worst, in terms of abject poverty, drugs, gang violence, etc. He even dropped out of school in the 10th grade. Today he is an assistant superintendent of a school district. Quit blaming every little thing on your DNA and "luck" and take some goddamn responsibility for your own choices and actions.

"Up to a point a man's life is shaped by environment, heredity, and movements and changes in the world about him; then there comes a time when it lies within his grasp to shape the clay of his life into the sort of thing he wishes to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune, or the quirks of fate. Everyone has it within his power to say, this I am today, that I shall be tomorrow. The wish, however, must be implemented by deeds."

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:55:16 2018 No.10950115

>>10944181
OP, she looked like one of my psychotic ex.

she still stalking me and it keep getting out of hand. I hold fond of my suggestion to her to get the fuck away from me because I really didn't have that much of a time. I will never ever be interested to entertain or make her happy anymore. The whole relationship before this with her is just me being a total sympathy freak towards her psychotic dealings and obsessions.

I think it's entertaining to keep a pet, a monkey-psychotic-obsessed-crazy person around, but I realized that I am not getting younger. I don't want to have a fool around me to just to make me happy or amused. I'm not that cruel. And so, I'm letting her go, and it'd been 6 months but she still don't get it.

This world has a lot of things to offer, but not from me. Not anymore.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:56:11 2018 No.10950120 [DELETED]

10950040
>>status is fixed from genetic factors and luck. agency plays no part in life outcomes

I'm sorry you feel that way. Of course genetics and the SES you're born into play a huge role in how your life goes, but you absolutely have it within your power to change things around to at least a certain extent. My own father is not a very handsome man, is a PoC who was born and raised in what was easily one of the worst neighborhoods in the country at the time, if not the worst, in terms of abject poverty, drugs, gang violence, etc. He even dropped out of school in the 10th grade. Today he is an assistant superintendent of a school district. Quit blaming every little thing on your DNA and "luck" and take some goddamn responsibility for your own choices and actions.

"Up to a point a man's life is shaped by environment, heredity, and movements and changes in the world about him; then there comes a time when it lies within his grasp to shape the clay of his life into the sort of thing he wishes to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune, or the quirks of fate. Everyone has it within his power to say, this I am today, that I shall be tomorrow. The wish, however, must be implemented by deeds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:57:33 2018 No.10950126 >>10950113 you’re ignorant of how your own body works >POC just say spic if that is what you are spic >take responsibilty there is no “me” or agent to take responsibility.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:57:46 2018 No.10950127

>>10950040
>status is fixed from genetic factors and luck. agency plays no part in life outcomes

I'm sorry you feel that way. Of course genetics and the SES you're born into play a huge role in how your life goes, but you absolutely have it within your power to change things around to at least a certain extent. My own father is not a very handsome man, is a PoC who was born and raised in what was easily one of the worst neighborhoods in the country at the time, if not the worst, in terms of abject poverty, drugs, gang violence, etc. He even dropped out of school in the 10th grade. Today he is an assistant superintendent of a school district. Quit blaming every little thing on your DNA and "luck" and take some goddamn responsibility for your own choices and actions.

"Up to a point a man's life is shaped by environment, heredity, and movements and changes in the world about him; then there comes a time when it lies within his grasp to shape the clay of his life into the sort of thing he wishes to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune, or the quirks of fate. Everyone has it within his power to say, this I am today, that I shall be tomorrow. The wish, however, must be implemented by deeds."

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:59:35 2018 No.10950134 Philosophy along with weightlifting, US history and physics were the only classes that didn't make me want to neck myself. And philosophy is my favorite among those.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:00:17 2018 No.10950137 >>10950113 >>10950120 >>10950127 >triplet post the luck factor today is pretty bad huh

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:00:22 2018 No.10950138 File: 245 KB, 1063x1063, 1507547693167.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10950113 >>10950120 >>10950127 are you ok, dude?

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:01:47 2018 No.10950146

>>10950126
Sorry I fucked up linking to your post . . . anyway

>you’re ignorant of how your own body works
Elaborate?

>POC
>just say spic if that is what you are spic
Ok, I'm hispanic. Happy? Not sure why that matters. Point is, he was of a minority background

>take responsibilty
there is no “me” or agent to take responsibility.
Then why do you use the pronoun "you" when referring to me? There should be no "me" that could, for instance, be ignorant of how "my" body works, no?

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:02:52 2018 No.10950153

>>10950134
(cont) And if I wanted a job, then I would've just gone to trade school. Not only is trade school cheaper, but you get paid right away. Even CS bachelor's aren't really necessary when you can make a portfolio on GitHub. So I went with philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:05:45 2018 No.10950170 >>10950146 >>10950127 Free will doesn't exist from a metaphysicall point of view but exists hermeneutically. Now, can both of you fuck off back to r*ddit? Bring your sophomoric discourses with you, thanks.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:15:39 2018 No.10950222

>>10950170
Literally never been on reddit. And I probably have a similar point of view as you (if I understand what you mean, I'm not 100% sure I get what you mean by "hermenutically" in this context). So can you kindly fuck off with your judgmental posturing?

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:15:52 2018 No.10950226

>>10945421
amerimutt here, our republican party is a joke. florida senator marco rubio who has run for president at least twice now and more to come:

>And make higher education faster and easier to access, especially vocational training. For the life of me I don't know why we stigmatize vocational education. Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders and less philosophers.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/rubio-we-need-more-welders-and-less-philosophers/article/1062072

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:25:36 2018 No.10950279

>>10949551
>Since I'm not Jewish/PoC
>falling for /pol/ memes

kid, more than 50% of law school students are still white, hetero males. if you don't cut it to law school, it's not because pedro took your place, it's because you have a conservative mind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:28:10 2018 No.10950290 >>10950279 >more than 50% of law school students are still white, hetero males including or excluding Jews though

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:29:47 2018 No.10950305 >>10948178 seems like you've already defeated yourself, kiddo

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:33:20 2018 No.10950325 >>10950279 Jews overwhelmingly dominate in Law and Media but you’re right plenty of HUWHYTES get in, and if you have high iq+good grades you are almost guaranteed top 20 spot

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:36:03 2018 No.10950338 >>10950222 No. Fuck off back to /v/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:36:58 2018 No.10950343 >>10944181 I did one, I don't regret it. I do regret not looking for internships or thinking about careers in my undergrad, and now I'm a wageslave.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:44:52 2018 No.10950379

Real talk. I did Law, it's pretty bad. It's either low-wage admin work or balls to the wall 80 hour weeks on boring as fuck shit. Some people clearly find a buzz in that though. I'd honestly say try to find a job that gives you a purpose, sitting in a company trying to climb the ladder doesn't feel like a purpose to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:52:03 2018 No.10950410 >>10944181 I'm studying english and i plan on joining the military and just living as an officer

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:59:27 2018 No.10950431

>>10950325
>>10950290
>muh jews

liberal ideology dominates the law field because it requires you to have an open mind, not to jump to conspiracies without evidence, and even *gasp* empathize with the opposing side to see their side of the argument. these are things /pol/ hive mind, or uneducated, white males are incapable of doing. there is no jewish conspiracy, you dolts.

if anything, white males are statistically more likely to pay back their loans than minorities. so think rationally here, why would law schools, whose primary purpose is profit, not diversity, give your seat to jamal? do yourselves a favor and don't apply to law school because you will flunk out with closed minds like that

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:00:18 2018 No.10950439 >>10950431 I just asked if the white men were a majority if you exclude Jews

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:01:21 2018 No.10950441 >>10950338 Literally never been on /v/, nor have I even played a video game, let alone owned a console, for about 5 or 6 years now. Keep swinging though, this is comical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:09:48 2018 No.10950478 I did philosophy and regret it every day. If you're smart you'll realise it's a waste of time about halfway through your degree. The entire field is pointless.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:12:15 2018 No.10950493 >>10950441 >Keep swinging though Ok Back to /an/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:17:12 2018 No.10950514 >>10950115 >stopped hitting something that looks like that. G A Y

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:26:20 2018 No.10950567 File: 13 KB, 418x359, phat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >bad at math and science >want a well paying job >mfw

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:55:41 2018 No.10950727

>>10950279
1. I am not Conservative, not even close, my sweet child. I could not be farther away from right-wing ideology.
2. Don't sit there and fucking tell me rich people, PoC, and Jewish people don't have either drastically lowered standards for admittance to top-tier universities or preferential treatment from said universities. Cuz I'm gonna point you in the direction of this term we have for certain people attending those universities called a "legacy" and that's just scraping the bottom of the nepotism barrel. I've got no problem with AA but we both know that it is being abused in the extreme. I know a guy from India who wants to go to Cornell and probably will, despite getting a mediocre undergrad GPA, because he is foreign.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 20:06:23 2018 No.10951887 >>10946972 >traps >attractive this has never happened

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 20:57:26 2018 No.10952112

>>10950727
>I've got no problem with AA but we both know that it is being abused in the extreme

look, dude, it's easy and comforting to tell yourself that your rightful place in society is unjustly taken by a minority, but the statistics say otherwise. i don't doubt your anecdotal story, but it is not representative of the profession as a whole. if you're claiming brown kids are being ushered in on legacy and nepotism, that implies there's substantial numbers of brown lawyers or faculty to give them that advantage. you honestly think minorities benefit more from legacy than whites?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/27/law-is-the-least-diverse-profession-in-the-nation-and-lawyers-arent-doing-enough-to-change-that/?utm_term=.61963b2f96be

>Although blacks, Latinos, Asian Americans and Native Americans now constitute about a third of the population and a fifth of law school graduates, they make up fewer than 7 percent of law firm partners and 9 percent of general counsels of large corporations. In major law firms, only 3 percent of associates and less than 2 percent of partners are African Americans.

furthermore, law schools are first and foremost, a business. what are the odds that indian kid doesn't come from a wealthy family and was born in shit? law schools aren't letting in token minorities on mass, they only need one or two to sell an underdog story and then admit the rest of the people who are statistically likely to pay the full price tag. you know, white guys who largely make up the profession.

but by all means, keep kicking yourself in the dick and whine that you will never be a lawyer because of the jews.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 21:01:23 2018 No.10952126

>>10950115
you sound like a sociopath man
>>10950727
legacies are by far the biggest source of nepotism in unis, i get the dog whistle to jews, but whites benefit more from legacy shit than anyone else. and then jewish wealth. then AA crap with jews and hispanics, blacks.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 22:04:45 2018 No.10952430

>>10948141
>You're going to end up in a mediocre career no matter what you do anyway.

Pretty much this. Society doesn't give a fuck about your intellect or creativity, but rather, what kind of fucking money can you generate? If you're not good at selling shit, then you will need to learn to sell yourself. That includes wage cucking and, quite literally, sucking dick.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 22:06:09 2018 No.10952438 >>10949498 exactly what i wanted to hear

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 22:13:00 2018 No.10952477

>>10944181
Majored in English lit.
Kinda regret it because of the money, and because university is festering with cancerous feminazis and doesn't have diversity of thought.
Don't regret it because I got to live abroad for cheap. Definitely study abroad if you go to school.
It isn't worth it to study lit tho.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 22:15:30 2018 No.10952492 >>10945558 fifth

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 22:19:21 2018 No.10952507 >>10952477 Almost have a degree in English, except I didn't study abroad or really do much of anything. I agree with this sentiment. Also don't do anything in life out of convenience.

Anonymous Wed Apr 4 23:09:08 2018 No.10952812
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>>10944181
Got a BS in chemistry, or I will soon by the end of this summer. Job prospects are shitting. I've been blasting away job application after job application but I haven't gotten any replies yet.

I never wanted to do chemistry, I bought into the STEM meme. I think now that I think about it, I should have double majored in English and something useful, like accounting so I can make a living. Then I would try to get as many philosophy and history classes under my belt as I can. Maybe one day start writing books.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 23:29:49 2018 No.10952908 >>10945486 Pretty kino

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 01:00:31 2018 No.10953223

>>10950493
Ok this is just boring and pointless now.
/lit/ is the only board I browse. Every once in a long while I'll visit /diy/, /trv/, or /out/, but that's rare as fuck and only happens when something going on in my life at that time drives me to post on one of those boards. Otherwise, just /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 02:02:55 2018 No.10953467 File: 278 KB, 589x479, swede.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10952812 fuk u demiurge

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 02:23:40 2018 No.10953525 >>10952812 Someone should have told you there's no jobs in chem. Should have gone into EE.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 03:30:32 2018 No.10953745 Anyone here use an arts degree to segue into a career as a psychologist/therapist? I'm finishing HS this year and that seems like a pretty viable course

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 03:40:55 2018 No.10953780 >>10953745 You would have to do masters of psychotherapy. I thought about it but decided not to

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 04:40:29 2018 No.10953931 >>10953780 psychotherapy sounds like bull anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 04:45:05 2018 No.10953940 >>10953931 $300/hour

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 09:58:48 2018 No.10954837

>TFW fell for the STEM meme

Give me one fucking reason why Communism isn't the next logical step to advancing civilization. I am tired of hearing Biology majors wasting away at Starbucks when they should be in a lab on the government dole. I live in a rural shit hole and government jobs are by far much more stable and fulfilling than anything the private sector has to offer.

If you aren't a socialist or commie, I am presuming you have never worked a day in your life.

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:39:19 2018 No.10954984

>>10950514
she's literally hacking through my phone and pc.

and I couldn't enjoy any times with my friends/coworker, as she doesn't allowed me to do so.

need constant attention, every hour.

always getting mad for no reason.

always being so secretive about everything that related to her background and her past,
didn't allowed me to speak to any of her family members and her friends,
recently I knew that before I met her that she's actually being hospitalized for trying to kill herself. she swallowed a bottle of drugs.

I mean she's unstable, after 2 years I came to a realization that I will never be able to change her attitude and temperament.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:44:59 2018 No.10954995 >>10954837 >I want to be a commie so i don't have to work Sounds about right

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:46:53 2018 No.10955000 >>10954837 >tfw bio major and employed The trick is to specialize in medical research, not plants.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:47:09 2018 No.10955001 >>10946946 That guy had a PhD (allegedly)

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:47:26 2018 No.10955002 >>10954837 >wants to work for the state Anon, in Communism there is no state

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:54:35 2018 No.10955022 >ba in philosophy >MA in public policy >I'm a bureaucrat in the civil service I hate my job but I regrat nufink

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:58:58 2018 No.10955032

>>10950379
If there were 50-80 law schools (not 230) and the schools outside of the Top 10 only charged 20k-25k a year in tuition at sticker price, if not less (basically what they charged in the early 90s controlled for inflation) then alot, but not all, of the problems with the legal industry would go away. Comfy gov't jobs would no longer be super-competitive and making a decent living in small law without working 90 hours a week would be feasible. Better yet if they came out with a 5 year BA/JD. But this is highly unlikely

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 11:05:08 2018 No.10955048

>>10954837
Literally none of Marx's historical predictions came true in the 20th/21st centuries, centralized economic planning to the extent called for by Marx is humanly impossible, all societies and organizations-even trade unions and socialist political parties--are naturally oligarchic (see Mosca, Michels, Pareto), and we have no idea how "full communism" would actually work in practice.

All modern commies and socialists really just want regulated welfare capitalism, i.e. exactly what we have now just with higher taxes and more gov't jobs and stricter employment and anti-trust laws

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 11:08:07 2018 No.10955056 Get into the entertainment industry

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 11:09:20 2018 No.10955060 >>10944181 >8/10 commie girl and activist How can capitalists and fascists even compete?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 11:12:26 2018 No.10955070 >>10955060 She is a fascist. Note the lightning bolt logo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 11:13:06 2018 No.10955072 >>10955060 Blocco Studentesco is fascist t. pizza

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 11:20:18 2018 No.10955084

>>10944208
>wants to be an attorney
>doesn't understand why anons didn't study for the LSAT

Have a proper GPA and LSAT score and you shouldn't have to pay for law school anon, that's pretty much rule one of wanting to go to law school.

Those scholarships that pay $20,000 out of your $100,000 a year tuition are scams. Anyone can get those because the school still makes a tidy sum on your indebted ass, so 3.2 GPA's in gender studies aren't gonna cut it in getting the big whoppers.

Have a 3.8 in any non-STEM degree or at least a 3.4 in a STEM degree and a 170 to 179 LSAT score and you will get shoveled money.

> If you're an idiot who didn't study in college, sitting with a 3.0 GPA, all hope is not lost.

SCORE WELL ON THE LSAT, that's all you have to do. If you score 175+ you might not get a full ride to a Top 10 school, but it will get you a full ride to everything beneath that. If you're going to a well known law school ignore the meme that your degree is useless if it's not Too 14, if you work hard in Law School you will get hired. Coast through and get unemployed.

Tldr- Score above the average applicant or don't apply to that law school. Or be rich.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 11:36:26 2018 No.10955129 >>10944493 would only make it hotter desu

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:05:04 2018 No.10955492
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Unless you need to do a certain subject for a specific career like medicine then Humanities degrees are literally fine. People just need to get over the fact that an undergraduate doesn't guarantee even a half decent job.

Do interships
Network
Go to a prestigious school (if you can't for undergrad then just do well at undergrad and get your masters ect from a better one)

STEM doesn't guarantee you a job any better than a humanities degree will. The whole thing is a massive meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:20:58 2018 No.10955566 >>10952812 fuk u demiurge

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:32:26 2018 No.10955617 >>10944181 Why does the left always have the best women?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:41:38 2018 No.10955664 >>10955617 >fascists >left

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:51:15 2018 No.10955713 >>10944365 I’m starting to think Europeans may be literal retards. But I repeat myself

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:53:56 2018 No.10955725 Did one in pure maths and fell for the actuary meme along the way. Working is garbage, 40-60hr/week is legit slavery desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:55:30 2018 No.10955731 >>10955725 Should have aimed for part-time master race

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 13:58:16 2018 No.10955743 >>10955731 Not many opportunities in here, but I'm still looking for it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 14:13:31 2018 No.10955802
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>>10950567
This is how I feel

I even tried learning a programming language to find one of these high paying meme jobs in an IT company but I failed miserably. At this point my only options left are to either apprentice and learn a trade or starve, but I'm 25 and I doubt anyone will take me as an apprentice anymore.

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 14:24:25 2018 No.10955842
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>>10952112
Minorities get in on lower test scores. This is what people are referring to when they speak of injustice. See attached for acceptance rates to medical schools based on MCAT score. Note that Asians (and whites) are consistently accepted at lower rates than their hispanic and black peers.

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