/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10933580]

how was he not an antisemite? I just read his chapter on jewry, he seems to be arguing that jews (and other magian cultures) lead to internationalism at the maturity of western culture. I haven’t finished the book yet tho, but judging by the name he seems to think jews aren’t having a positive effect on culture.

pls no nazi shit i just want an answer to this question

[Anonymous No.10933594]

How carefully are you reading this book? You sound like somebody who is looking for antisemitism rather than understanding his methodology and how it applies across the board.

[Anonymous No.10933601]

pretty much everyone before ww2 was jwoke

[Anonymous No.10933612]

>>10933594
i am reading it carefully, altho it’s difficult for someone without much knowledge of world history. I’m aware that he thinks the magian spirit takes place in many different culture (such as the romans in the arabian world) and that his idea of jewry isn’t a materialist one, but even so. If the jews are internationalist and internationalism is leading to the decline of the west, why wouldn’t he have supported the nazis?

[Anonymous No.10933613]

>>10933580
>he seems to think jews aren’t having a positive effect on culture.
No one has a more negative effect on culture than jews. The current degenerate porn culture is a reflection of the jewish domination over our culture.

Now I understand you are new to the JQ and will have trouble believing they are anything but the good-natured light upon the world victims they've indoctrinated you into believing they are, but they are nothing of the sort. Jews are very bad, destructive people.

[Anonymous No.10933618]

>>10933613
thats not the point. idgaf about youre opinion on the jews, im curipus about spenglers.

[Anonymous No.10933625]

>>10933612
>why wouldn’t he have supported the nazis?
Maybe because he thinks genocide is morally wrong? Not saying he thought that but it could be a reason.

[Anonymous No.10933631]

>>10933625
ok yeah but you see what i mean right? just saying that he seems to think jews have a negative effect on culture, making his fervent attacks on the nazis surprising at least.

[Anonymous No.10933635]

>>10933612
>If the jews are internationalist and internationalism is leading to the decline of the west, why wouldn’t he have supported the nazis?

The decline of the West is inevitable in a cyclical paradigm, which is what Spengler is describing.

It's possible that he may have supported the Nazis, but would he support the death camps? And is it possible to take any of his criticism of Jewish culture regarding internationalism away without associating it with Nazism?

[Anonymous No.10933638]

>>10933618
His is the same as mine and has informed mine. He was affected by jewish propaganda just as you have been. As jews lobbied more and more against Germany there were greater social consequences for supporting the German state. Look at what happened to God and Lindberg.

[Anonymous No.10933649]

>>10933638
Ford... Not God.

[Anonymous No.10933653]

>>10933635
thanks for clearing that up, once im done with the book ill better understand this
>>10933638
shut up nazi retard

[Anonymous No.10933659]

>>10933631
>making his fervent attacks on the nazis surprising at least.

I wasn't aware of this. What did he say about the Nazis?

[Anonymous No.10933662]

>>10933625
The jewish bolshevik coup and subsequent genocide of Russians is what led to the Third Reich in the first place. Jews were advocating for revolution against the state, and the result was the strengthening of the state.

[Anonymous No.10933673]

>>10933659
i was under the impression he wrote against them but it seems he at least disagreed with them

ill research it more

[Anonymous No.10933683]

>>10933673
heres something from wikipedia

[Anonymous No.10933685]

>>10933612
>why wouldn’t he have supported the nazis?
He wrote why in The Hour of Decision, they banned the book lol.
>>10933683
I find this more interesting though:
>Spengler viewed the Nazis as too narrowly German, and not occidental enough to lead the fight against other peoples. The book also warned of a coming world war in which Western Civilization risked being destroyed

[Anonymous No.10933686]

>>10933673
Are you a jew?

[Anonymous No.10933697]

No one really liked jews till after the nazis. Now people feel compelled too

[Anonymous No.10933703]

>>10933686
im not religous, i have a jewish mother so i wouldnt survive the holocaust

look ive read evola and schmitt. i dont care if im reading a nazi, i just want to know wether im reading one

[Anonymous No.10933711]

>>10933697
They're ordered to. Jews control the media in the west and attack anyone who speaks negatively against them. People like the OP have been brainwashed by them.

[Anonymous No.10933724]

>>10933703
That's what I thought. Jews often exhibit as you have disbelief that anything could ever be their own fault.

[Anonymous No.10933726]

>>10933685
what other peoples did spengler have in mind?

[Anonymous No.10933730]

>>10933683
Nice. Nietzsche was also another based critic of antisemites.

It really paints a picture of the level of academic dignity and nuance that could exist at a certain time. Like honest scholars, these men could both criticize aspects of Judaism at large while not succumbing to the resentment of anti-semitism.

[Anonymous No.10933733]

>>10933724
fug u found me out
im taking a sledgehammer to the west as we speak

[Anonymous No.10933740]

>>10933733
You shouldn't be posting on here. This is a white literature board, not a place for jews to work out explanations for why they're hated.

[Anonymous No.10933742]

>>10933730
right, its just odd to me that he thinks a people are leading to the decline of the west while also defending them against nazis. but it makes sense to me after it got explained in this thread

[Anonymous No.10933745]

>>10933612
>. I’m aware that he thinks the magian spirit takes place in many different culture (such as the romans in the arabian world)
The Magian culture, like the other cultures was a specific thing that came and went.

He thinks Jews couldn't really understand the Faustian spirit(he mentions Spinoza specifically) but a Jew in 1800 is not really part of the Magian spirit either, because that culture is already gone.

And the decline of the west is inevitable for Spengler. He thought the culture was already more or less dead and what remained was the 'civilzation' stage, our version of the Roman Empire.

He didn't like Hitler because he thought Hitler misunderstood a lot of stuff but he wasn't opposed to a German empire in Europe, athough again talking about Spengler's preferences is the wrong way to frame it because he saw all these things as predetermined, inevitable.

As for casual antisemitism that was just normal back then and it is still normal in the Muslim world. The West has a taboo about it because of the Holocaust and because of Jewish presence in the media.

[Anonymous No.10933748]

Picked up Decline of the West a week ago after I started it in October 2016. I'll finish the first half tomorrow.
Spengler was of jewish descent btw. That's why he was opposed to antisemitism

[Anonymous No.10933758]

>>10933740
how do you expect jidf to operate? were not just going to stay on reddit forever, you know

[Anonymous No.10933763]

>>10933742
It's odd because why? Is your brain broken?

[Anonymous No.10933766]

>>10933745
he seems to think that jews being a part of magian culture was a recent phonemena as well, not just limited to the 1800s

[Anonymous No.10933772]

>>10933763
doesnt that seem parodixical at first?

[Anonymous No.10933777]

>>10933772
No.

[Anonymous No.10933782]

Visited Spenglers grave at the Ostfriedhof München in October 2016, a majestic cubicle on a beautiful graveyard. Was reading his Decline of the West while sitting on a bench in front of the cubicle. Good old days in the pre-Trump era

[Anonymous No.10933787]

>>10933766
A 'culture' for Spengler is not just a set of customs that can be picked up at any moment or place. It is intrinsically tied to a specific place, people, and era. It is essentially an organism that has a predictale life cycle, and the Magian culture died centuries ago, I think Spengler dates it to around the birth of Islam, which was the origin of their Empire stage, but I don't remember exactly what he says about it.

Spengler never really talks about the difference between these cultures and the less mystical cultures that people have at all times and places, but his opinion on Jews was not that they were Magian exactly, it was that they weren't Faustian. Jews during the spring of the Magian culture could be Magian, but after the culture decays nobody can understand or express it anymore.

[Anonymous No.10933790]

>>10933777
ok

[Anonymous No.10933796]

>>10933726
Anglos, French and Russians more than likely
>>10933740
you post this every single week, multiple times a week, and not a single person has listened, nor have you ever gotten more than one additional /pol/ nigger to back up the sentiment that this is a white supremacist board, that despite the """alt-left""" largely emanating from this board years ago

[Anonymous No.10933804]

>>10933787
>>10933766
to elucidate what I mean, a modern Jew would have the general mindset of the Arabian world but they would not actually belong to the spirit properly speaking.

Similarly we ourselves, assuming you are Western, have the mindset of the Faustian people but we do not actually understand the spirit anymore, we don't understand the mystical whatever that the music of Bach or the portraits of Rembrandt were expressing.

[Anonymous No.10933806]

>>10933787
I was confused betwen the “jewish consensus” and his idea of magian cultural consciousness.

[Anonymous No.10933807]

>>10933580
1. You have to understand that "Jews" are the same thing as "Irish Americans," which is to say, anybody who feels like being Jewish can be without really participating in the religious or identitiarian aspects. A better term may be "Zionist" or "Israeli" since Jews don't really exist
2. Spengler's understanding of race is totally divorced from our modern understanding of it. To him it's not a biological concept at all, it's a spiritual and cultural idea. Somebody "has race," they aren't a member of a race. The American alt-right fantasy of larping shenanigans would completely repulse him

[Anonymous No.10933813]

Spengler's great-grandmother: (((Bräunchen Moses)))
But why exactly are we discussing the jews when we are talking about Spengler?
His magnum opus Der Untergang des Abendlandes, which he wrote in 18 years while living like a NEET in Munich, is packed with detailed information on so many different cultures, and so many corresponding interpretations, we could discuss it for years...but instead we are talking about the merchants of sin again...*sigh*

[Anonymous No.10933814]

>>10933806
I thought Jews were supposed to be smart.

[Anonymous No.10933817]

>>10933804
this is very helpful, thank you. ive been reading this book for a long time and a lot of his assertions are hard for me to fllow, so this thread is clearing it up nicely

[Anonymous No.10933818]

>>10933662
> subsequent genocide of Russians
there was no genocide of russians, there was a mostly Russian and Jewish genocide of Ukes but it was almost exclusively indirect killing by withholding food from them, and was politically motivated, as opposed to racially motivated. The Nazis killed Jews because they were Jewish, they killed Slavs because they were Slavic. There is a difference. Mao didn't kill Chinese because of their ethnicity he did it to repress dissent. The Soviets never genocided Russians, they committed democide against their own and this took decades to stack up. Most of the killing was Russians and the person who ordered nearly all of it was Stalin, a fucking Georgian

[Anonymous No.10933820]

>>10933813
The OP must determine that Spengler was an antisemite so that he can easily dismiss the bulk of his work, just like people refuse to read Ovid because of the "rape scenes."

[Anonymous No.10933821]

>>10933814
nah were just neurotic, part of the reason i havent been paying enough attention. im not even good at economics.

[Anonymous No.10933827]

>>10933813
do you have a non-Nazi source on that? He was demonized and had his books banned in Nazi Germany, Nietzsche was dismissed and suppressed after Hitler came to power, his works were not taught in unis and they were not printed at the same rate they could have been in the later years of the war, the Fascists had a habit of doing this, so I wonder if you could provide me with a legitimate scholarly source that validates that name and lineage.

[Anonymous No.10933829]

>>10933820
no i wasnt you fucking idiot, as i said before ive read books by gentille, schmitt, and evola. im fascinated by fascism, and if anything the anti-semiticism would just make it more interesting to me. im fascinated by history and like hearing sifferent perspectives, you twat. kys

[Anonymous No.10933834]

>>10933829
Cry more, bitch.

[Anonymous No.10933841]

>>10933827
Dude, its on wikipedia:

On 26 May 1799, Friedrich Wilhelm Grantzow, a tailor's apprentice in Berlin, married a Jewish woman named Bräunchen Moses (whose parents, Abraham and Reile Moses, were both deceased by that time). Shortly before the wedding, Bräunchen Moses (ca. 1769–1849) was baptized as Johanna Elisabeth Anspachin (the surname was chosen after her birthplace—Anspach).[4] The couple gave birth to eight children (three before and five after the wedding),[5] one of whom was Gustav Adolf Grantzow (1811–83)—a solo dancer and ballet master in Berlin, who in 1837 married Katharina Kirchner (1813–73), a nervously beautiful solo dancer from a Munich Catholic family;[6] the second of their four daughters was Oswald Spengler's mother Pauline Grantzow.[7] Like the Grantzows in general, Pauline was of a Bohemian disposition, and, before marrying Bernhard Spengler, accompanied her dancer sister on tours. She was the least talented member of the Grantzow family. In appearance, she was plump and a bit unseemly. Her temperament, which Oswald inherited, complemented her appearance and frail physique: she was moody, irritable, and morose.[8]

[Anonymous No.10933843]

He's full of contradiction. He sees Humanities, history, apart from Logic. JUST

[Anonymous No.10933863]

>>10933817
np. Spengler's history is almost like a poem, which many people have remarked upon before, his method of 'analysis' is very artistic, I mean the whole thing is based on the metaphor of the super-organism.

in the second volume he talks some more about his philosophy and it is sort of all over the place. The idea of the prime symbol of the culture is just beautiful though, the comparisons between Cathedrals, counterpoint, perspective painting, calculus, etc.

[Anonymous No.10933864]

>>10933841
Yeah, I saw that. He wasn't Jewish his mother and Father were both racially gentiles (his mother was 1/4 Jewish Mischling from her Father's side, which negates the Jewish heritage claims). Which means he was 1/8 Jewish from his mother's father. So, its nothing.

[Anonymous No.10933876]

>>10933829
>im fascinated by fascism
Then read their books instead of those they ban.
>the anti-semiticism would just make it more interesting to me
Then read antisemites instead of the one German writer that didn't wanted the Jews extinct in the 30s and also didn't emigrate.

[Anonymous No.10933878]

>>10933796
>white supremacist
... Is not a real term. You jews need to go, for real.

[Anonymous No.10933904]

>>10933863
Which volume did you enjoy more?
Asking because I will finish the first volume tomorrow and start with the second volume on friday

[Anonymous No.10933909]

>>10933818
The holodomer is separate from the jewish genocide of Russians. The jew Lazar Kaganovich presided over the former. No one is more genocidal than jews, it's baked into their psyche.

[Anonymous No.10933935]

>>10933864
Quarter jews and eighth jews still exhibit the hostile jewish sickness, so don't discount it. Time Wise and Anatoly Karlin are two examples.

[Anonymous No.10933939]

>>10933876
I read books by fascists, such as the one mentioned. I’n reading this book because it was influential to fascism. Just because it’s interesting doesn’t mean I only reas about it.

[Anonymous No.10933944]

>>10933876
i'm mischling and I do, I have all the esoteric hitlerist and racialist shit saved on pdf, have Imperium and Theozoologie opened rn, its fascinating
>>10933878
white supremacist: someone who holds a political belief system that necessitates the total domination of all other races by the white race, typically national socialist but there are also christian nationalist and techno-fascist variants found

[Anonymous No.10933952]

Spengler was one of us...a true NEET.
From the german wikipedia:
" Während seiner rund zehnjährigen Arbeit an seinem Hauptwerk lebte er isoliert, litt unter psychischen Problemen und später unter materiellen Schwierigkeiten. Während seiner Münchner Zeit litt Spengler stark unter seiner sozialen und intellektuellen Isolierung."
translates to
"During his ten years of work on his magnum opus he lived in a state of isolation, suffering from mental issues and later material issues (= probably means he was broke). During his Munich time Spengler suffered immensely from his social and intellectual isolation."

[Anonymous No.10933954]

>>10933863
I liked that stuff, but it’s a bit too metaphorical and poetic for me. I personally prefer more hard-science stuff, although Spengler would say that’s an inpersonal mosreading of history. I’m only reading the abridged addition, because I can’t find a copy of the original anywhere.

[Anonymous No.10933956]

>>10933745
>He thinks Jews couldn't really understand the Faustian spirit(he mentions Spinoza specifically) but a Jew in 1800 is not really part of the Magian spirit either, because that culture is already gone.
Correct, he even introduces a term for this in part 2, "fellaheen", which is applied to all extinct culture that is "musealized" as Adorno would call it, a key tendency of Faustian culture (i.e. the only culture so far with historical consciousness and a concept of limits)

[Anonymous No.10933964]

>>10933944
Then are there jewish supremacists too? Actually, isn't it jews who claim that they have bound to rule the world? It's a fake jewish term.

[Anonymous No.10933967]

>>10933939
>this book because it was influential to fascism
hrrrmmmh

[Anonymous No.10933981]

>>10933964
There can be jewish supremacists, and most sane yids would say that Jews have a rather obvious control over the media (although I would argue that the focus on race is just a misdirection of capitalism). Don’t know many jews who would actually claim to control the world tho.

[Anonymous No.10933987]

>>10933967
it is? idk what u mean

[Anonymous No.10933991]

>>10933964
Judaism features one of the last accepted manifestations of blood discrimination in the modern age.

[Anonymous No.10933994]

>>10933956
>the only culture so far with historical consciousness and a concept of limits)
He also attributes a historical consciousness to the Egyptians and the Chinese though he does differentiate their versions from the Faustian one.

[Anonymous No.10934004]

>>10933904
they're both good. the first is probably stronger but I quite like the beginning section of Volume 2 which talks about his more abstract philosophical views

[Anonymous No.10934023]

>>10933952
him and NEETCHEE were too pure for this world
>>10933964
>Then are there jewish supremacists too?
Yes, Likud faggots and certain Zio-fascists like Adelson and Arnon Milchen are Jewish supremacists. They think Jews should rule the world. Not all Jews, just like not all powerful or politically active conservative whites, are supremacists, but there are a decent number and they are as much a threat to the species' survival as WS are.
>Actually, isn't it jews who claim that they have bound to rule the world?
If you read even a little literature from people like Francis Bacon, Germanic and Anglo political philosophers who were pro-colonialism and imperialist theorists of the enlightenment period, they all seem to think Whites have a right to rule the globe. The Persians and Greeks also thought they had a right to rule the world and so did the Romans. They all considered themselves distinct races too, and spoke about non-Persians/Greeks/Romans as subhuman.
>its a fake Jewish term
no its just an accurate description, the White Supremacist wants total dominion and supremacy (read genocide) over non-Whites and their lands. White Supremacists fap over Turner Diaries where they actually get to kill all non-whites and control the totality of natural resources on Earth. Which is what /pol/ wants and what all serious WN's want as their endgame. Just as you accuse Zio-fascists of wanting the whole of the Levant and most of the Middle East, so too do white supremacists want all of the Americas, all of Europe, MENA and West Asia, all of the valuable parts of Africa, Oceania and Asia. Hence White supremacists want to recolonize SA and Zimbabwe which were black before whites showed up, not for a long period, only about 800 years, but they were not white nations and the Capoids had long been exterminated before the settlers showed up.
>>10933981
Jews control about half of the American media and significantly less of European media and almost no Asian media channels. Only stupid schizo right wing Jews say things like Jews rule the world, no one who is even vaguely acquainted with the power structure of the west thinks Jews dominate it financially or politically. Hollywood specifically is probably the only thing that's almost totally Jews controlled and even then you have studios like Sony which aren't Jew owned or controlled.
>>10933991
you should read up on how Muslim leadership works, its entirely racial, Japanese social etiquette is extremely racialist, South America has a caste system, and India has a racialist caste system

[Anonymous No.10934026]

>>10933954
>I can’t find a copy of the original anywhere
archive.org

[Anonymous No.10934034]

>>10933994
True, but the Faustian is the only culture to develop a linear, material conception of history separate from the magico-religious.
>>10933987
It's really not, he was up until recently a thinker on the very periphery. It's only come up again because of /pol/acks that think the title is cool.

[Anonymous No.10934037]

>>10933981
> I would argue that the focus on race is just a misdirection of capitalism).
LOL. You think an abstract system is misdirecting attention away from the people running it? Makes no sense. The obvious answer is that jews running the international capitalist system in their interests are telling you to blame it instead of them.

>Don’t know many jews who would actually claim to control the world tho.
Jew-wise people like myself don't say they do. Just that their interests predominate, which is why whites in Britain get thrown in prison for speaking out against Paki rape gangs raping 11 year old white girls and then the jewish press spends all its time attacking Corbyn to purge "antisemitism" from the labour party.

This is about people forcing their interests, not "running the world" (whatever that means anyway). Jews are tribal and very forceful. They don't see others as humans and thus subjugate their interests in favor of their own. No conspiracy required, though they do conspire.

[Anonymous No.10934038]

>>10934023
considering how little jews there are in america, 50% is a lot. i dont believe in a cabal, but there are a disproportionate amount of jews up there

[Anonymous No.10934045]

>>10934034
ok, well, its still definetlt a somewhat important work of political philospphy with a tradionalist/authoritarian slant to it. i just like readjng different types of books, dammit.

[Anonymous No.10934056]

>>10934037
read a social theorist or something, jesus

[Anonymous No.10934059]

>>10934045
It is not a work of political philosophy, nor is it necessarily traditionalist nor authoritarian.

Stop reading this, I don't believe you are learned enough for it.

[Anonymous No.10934060]

>>10934034
It would have been so interesting to see his reaction to the post-war world. too bad he died

[Anonymous No.10934071]

>>10934059
youre arguing semantics and being a dick

[Anonymous No.10934074]

>>10934023
No, it's a fake jewish term, which is why it's only applied to whites. Whites are also the only people who have ruled the word and many places under that order were a hell of a lot better they are now, but I digress. It's propaganda and repeating it makes one look stupid.

[Anonymous No.10934081]

>>10934071
Stop reading scholarly books when you have an aversion to learning.
>>10934060
Strangely, Adorno took up the mantle in his own way.

[Anonymous No.10934095]

>>10934038
Jews are nepotistic and form literal cabals that conspire. Try to remove yourself from the jewish agitprop line. The ADL and SPLC are jewish cabals that attack non-jews. AIPAC is a jewish lobbying cabal that attacks politicians who don't promote jewish interests. Every year world jewish congresses come together to promote jewish interests over those of their host nations. Jews form cabals and conspire.

[Anonymous No.10934096]

>>10934081
I'm having trouble seeing the connection between Adorno and Spengler

[Anonymous No.10934098]

>>10934081
i dont have an aversion to learning. even if you were arguing that this was a “metaphysics of history” or whatever and wasnt political philosophy, it has a part to play in the thought political philophers. even if it wasnt “necessarily” traditionalist, it definetely influenced traditionalists. you arent making yourself look smart, you come off as a pedantic snivelling psedointellectual.

[Anonymous No.10934108]

>>10934096
Not him, but I get what he's saying. Adorno was clearly a fan and even references some of Spengler's terms throughout his writing. Although, yes, Adorno is a much different thinker ultimately.

[Anonymous No.10934118]

>>10934096
He viewed him as the prophet of modernity, he was arguably his greatest fan and the sole individual to keep him relevant after Heidegger wrote Sein und Zeit.

[Anonymous No.10934159]

>>10934118
>>10934108
I didn't know that, it's always surprising to me the number of people that liked Spengler.

I've read nothing by Adorno except that essay about Kierkegaard which was interesting, but I was under the impression Adorno was a sort of Marxist who devoted his time to critiques of various aspects of the West, is that not the right picture?

[Anonymous No.10934177]

>>10934159
>Adorno was a sort of Marxist who devoted his time to critiques of various aspects of the West, is that not the right picture?
Yes. Do you really not see how Spengler would be of keen interest to someone solely interested in culture, the apex of modernity and the eventual way forward after the extinction?

[Anonymous No.10934182]

>>10934038
yeah they have disproportionately higher verbal iq than non-Jews, which lends itself to media, and then they help each other quite a bit, a lot like Germanics do in the Southern US which is where term "good old boys network" comes from.
>>10934074
>No, it's a fake jewish term
its not fake, it has real meaning. It refers to whites, like you, who want to rule the world and kill/enslave all the other races, which you do.
> Whites are also the only people who have ruled the word and many places under that order were a hell of a lot better they are now
Whites didn't rule the world at any point, they had sway over Asia and Africa, they never ruled the whole globe as a unified body. No one has.
>they're better off
they didn't think that was the case and I don't think the people of the pacific, South America and Africa felt they were better off at all
>It's propaganda and repeating it makes one look stupid
You're repeated Nazi propaganda in this thread probably 4-6 times already and you do it near constantly on this board. Jewish supremacist is a fascist propaganda term, that doesn't make it entirely fake or useless. White supremacist is an Anglo-Judaic propaganda term, that doesn't make it entirely useless or fake. What a simpleton you are anon
>>10934098
They don't want you reading Spengler and Nietzsche because all of the most intelligent insights they use come from them and neither of them were Nazis, they both preferred the old Roman and Greek world orders. Spengler idealized the Baroque period and N the Renaissance, they both lionized the Greeks and spoke in a demeaning manner towards Christianity and even modern Englightenment era Germanic culture, though N was vicious and Spengler was just icy towards them.

the reason we talk about these people, Evola and the others, and that /pol/ avoids them, is because fascists are organized by propaganda, like a herd or like a pack of dogs, so having thinking, individualist, highly erudite, intellectually dynamic, aggressive types running around who are not all controlled by a central party or propaganda program, that ruins everything for them. They are actively waging a culture war right now, any dissent has to be ironed out or ostracized.

Spengler is influential to New Fascism and his terms were used by Yockey and others who were deeply important to the post-War fascist underground and what became the alt-right (which comes from Stormfront, the Phora and other hives like that, where Spengler is frequently discussed as is Evola). They have a habit of taking what they can get, almost always from types who are not handsome, tall, blonde chads (WEIRD RIGHT?), and then exploiting it, and discarding the rest, which is inevitably not to their liking.

I can't figure out why a predatory deceitful group of shills for Industrialists and the military would do that, but when I do, I'll be sure to make a thread on /pol/ about it

[Anonymous No.10934196]

>>10934177
I would think that Spengler would be disturbing for someone like that honestly. For one thing Spengler explicitly states that socialism of all forms is nothing but a will to power, a desire to dominate and force others to conform. That's not necessarily a negative characterization, and even might align with someone like Alinsky, but I did not think that Marxists saw it at all like that.

[Anonymous No.10934216]

>>10934159
There's a collection of some of his best culture criticism out there called The Culture Industry that I think many, left and right alike, would enjoy. It's light on the Marx, iirc

[Anonymous No.10934233]

>>10934196
Adorno was a post-Marxist, the majority of his thing was the critique of the disintegration (or rather integration) of revolutionary thought following the destruction of Idea in 1945.

[Anonymous No.10934238]

>>10934182
>its not fake, it has real meaning. It refers to whites, like you, who want to rule the world and kill/enslave all the other races, which you do

Lol. Youre the jew itt, right? "White supremacist" is a made up jewish term. Apply all the meaning to it you want, won't change anything. I can make up fake terms too, like kikelie: a lie told by a kike such as yourself. Voila.

It is a term used by anti-white jews like yourself to try to shame whites, but it's not working anymore. Period.

[Anonymous No.10934272]

>>10934159
>Adorno was a sort of Marxist who devoted his time to critiques of various aspects of the West, is that not the right picture?

Adorno was a jew who critiqued moreso than western culture, western people, i.e., "the goyim," which is a jewish term for cattle. The FFS were jews trying to attack white people because strong, healthy white societies are bad for jews.

>>10934233
>Adorno was a post-Marxist,

Adorno was the definition of a jewish marxist. Beware of this jew itt trying to deceive people about jewish thinkers.

[Anonymous No.10934287]

>>10934272
Please fuck right off with that Frankfurt School conspiracy theory bullshit. Unless of course you have primary textual evidence? Which, of course you don't.

[Anonymous No.10934314]

>>10934287
The Frankfurt School was comprised of jews who were mostly run out of Germany for trying to subvert western ideas and values. There's no conspiracy about it.

[Anonymous No.10934322]

>>10934314
That's the conspiracy, proffered by Kevin Macdonald and then gradually spammed on stormfront and /pol/ until somebody made a graphic of quotes (from Macdonald's book, not from any of the Frankfurt writers) and people, like dumb little shitfucks like you, blindly accepted it without doing a fucking second's worth of actual reading.

[Anonymous No.10934334]

>>10934322
MacDonald's views on the Frankfurt school are pretty tame, basically just that these thinkers did not apply their critiques to Jews but only to whites.

[Anonymous No.10934347]

>>10934334
I'm only referencing MacDonald because his work is the only textual citation ever provided involving the Frankfurt School and its supposed desire to "subvert western values and ideas."

[Anonymous No.10934348]

>>10934322
I encourage all whites to read the words of the Frankfurt School jews themselves. Jews are hostile people and what this group of jews was doing was blatant and obvious, especially once one understands the jewish problem, meaning *why* they behave the way they do.

MacDonald's critique is also very important, a must read for all whites. Link below:

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap5.pdf

[Anonymous No.10934369]

>>10934347
The Frankfurt school would probably consider that a compliment, they would just phrase it as a 'critique' or 'radical re-whatever'.

They explicitly say they don't like the traditional Christian authority, which was the foundation of the West. I mean if you're a revolutionary the desire to 'subvert' the status quo is a given.

[Anonymous No.10934410]

>>10934369
>The Frankfurt school would probably

I'll have to stop you right here. The "Frankfurt School" is a catchall for a group of individual writers. There is no manifesto, no collective aim. It was merely a journalistic label applied to a group of thinkers.

>They explicitly say they don't like the traditional Christian authority, which was the foundation of the West

"They" don't say anything. There was no "Christian authority" at the time of their writing. Adorno and Horkheimer, the closest thing you could consider as a collective, critiqued the discourse of reason and positivism and the various manifestations of that and other nihilistic forms of discourse.

[Anonymous No.10934432]

>>10934410
>no collective aim
Tsk Tsk, schlomo.

Part of understanding the jewish problem is understanding how jews think and act like a tribal unit. They will often try to obscure this knowing westerners who actually are individualistic in thought don't react well to it, but the jew is not an individualist. And neither were the Frankfurt School jews. They were trying to weaken western society for the benefit of jews. This is how jews think, their motto is: is it good for the jews?

Whites cannot approach them as they would any white thinker or they will get lost.

[Anonymous No.10934748]

I didn't know Spengler was jewish wtf

[Anonymous No.10934833]

>>10933625
The Nazis never actually admitted to wanting to commit genocide, even for the time it would have been seen as radically extreme.

[Anonymous No.10934847]

>>10934833
Wait until you find out they never committed it either.