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How do you feel about death, /lit/?

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>>10895321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0NBPRMe2E

>> No.10895349

>>10895321

death is not the end

>> No.10895358

>>10895321
I fear it but welcome it.

>> No.10895361

Unironically stopped fearing it after Socrates.

>> No.10895372

>>10895321
Death does not exist

>> No.10895373

>>10895321
I oscillate between a Nietzschean "death is part of Life and you gotta accept to live life fully" and a stoic "Death does not concern us".

>> No.10895385

Not looking forward to the dying process, but taking a nature walk through a massive city park with any of the Biblical patriarchs or the Apostles sounds nice.
>Inb4 "hurr christfag"

>> No.10895388

>>10895385
fuck off christcuck

>> No.10895393

>>10895321
Just noticed the black part reflects my face.
Well played

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>>10895385
You merge in heaven.

You don't get to keep your arbitrary personality. You don't get to put your jean shorts on and go on a stroll with the patriarchs.

You will be marked by God, and will worship him forever. There will be no tears.

When a retarded man dies and goes to heaven he does not walk around as a retarded man among clouds and columns. When a baptized babe dies and goes to heaven it does not crawl around going "goo-goo, ga-ga." Likewise when you die you will not keep your arbitrary material form.

This Dane Cook understanding of heaven as everyone getting a halo and reuniting with their bros and getting to do what they want forever has got to go

>> No.10895399

>>10895393
Not everyone has a glass monitor anon
Doubt OP looked into it that hard

>> No.10895407

>>10895396

speaking of "has to go", how about the notion of a heaven existing goes as well, considering it's nowhere in the bible in the first place?

>> No.10895416

Used to fear it intensely since I was a kid but stopped caring eventually

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>>10895407
New Jerusalem... the technological endpoint of history in which God manifests as the Son of Man and wipes clean the slate of history... this is Heaven. We will all be resurrected with technology, and then judged. Technology will be developed which can build a simulation of the universe within the universe and run that simulation backwards to find out what everyone did, and who was naughty, and who was nice, and everyone will be judged and everything will be seen. Facebook and NSA spying is just a morsel compared to the tech Christ will have when judging you.

New Jerusalem appears in revelation.

>> No.10895468

>>10895407
You might want to give it another read. Heaven is referred to multiple times, particularly in the NT.

>> No.10895469

>>10895451
>God manifests as the Son of Man and wipes clean the slate of history.
I can hear it now "have you cleaned the dishes Anon?"
>I've put them in the dishwasher
praise be

>> No.10895473

Better do something before it's over.

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>>10895469
My dishwasher doesn't work
I clean by hand
my mother asks from beyond the grave
she has already been judged

>> No.10895479

i don't believe in it

>> No.10895482

there are scarier things out there

>> No.10895483

Death is a spook

>> No.10895484

I don't want to die, not yet, but my body feels the pressure of the universe forcing each individual atom into the shape of my being, and they scream for release. They, my atoms, want to melt and flow without inhibition, and so long as I live they are denied this and suffer.

>> No.10895493

>>10895484
Cringe.

>> No.10895495

>>10895484

How do you read this, go "yep", and click on post?

>> No.10895500

>>10895495
I never read what I write.

>> No.10895501

>>10895495
it's probably a master troll

>> No.10895504

>>10895484
Jus kemikalz bro

>> No.10895527

>>10895321
Terrified, but I prefer not to think about it.

>> No.10895545

>>10895527
death is your friend anon, whats there to be afraid of

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>>10895484
Faggot

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>>10895484
>he personifies the atoms

>> No.10895653

>>10895648
did you get that image and filename from reddit, little boy? please go back to /b/

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>>10895653
Jokes on you pleb, I have reddit and 4chan open simultaneously at all times.

I will merge the cultures and there is nothing you can do about it.

/pol/ will be black hotep killer-mike type nazbols in 3 years.

mark my words

>> No.10895805

death is the cultivation of life; it empowers life however it limits life. It is everything, but it is nothing. Death is what God made to equalize everything.

>> No.10895808

terrified of it, yet I cannot wait

>> No.10895813

>>10895805
why do you think you have to be a philosopher, with such an abysmal intelligence?

>> No.10895816

>>10895388
>Le Christcuck ecksdee
The Jew cries out in pain, even as he strikes you.

>> No.10895822

>>10895813
well death empowers life because without death living would mean nothing because everything would be living. Death is the cultivation of life because it will always come as the closing of any life.

>> No.10895857

death ain't real

>> No.10895920

>>10895822
Hes not saying your wrong dude, hes saying your ideas are small and short sighted.

>> No.10895932

Can't come soon enough, desu. This planet earth shit is fucking wack.

>> No.10895947

>>10895321
Death is necessary so that our lives don't become plodding cacophonies where eventually all progress ceases and everything becomes linear. All things that we know about have a beginning and an end. All stories must end sometime, otherwise they become annoying and pointless. It is impossible to logically justify the belief that humans can somehow live forever and retain their humanity.

>>10895385
If you were a true Christian you would look forward to dying. This life is negligible to you.

>>10895396
You do realize that this means that nobody goes to heaven, right? Since there is very little connection between the ''you'' that ceases to be when the heart stops and the "you" that goes on, you might as well admit that everything ends with death.

>> No.10895991

>>10895321
it's natural. worrying about it does not save you from it so welcome it when the time comes. if you do that, then you can learn to be happy.

>> No.10896034

since the day of my birth, my death began its walk. it is walking toward me, without hurrying.

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>>10895947
>You do realize that this means that nobody goes to heaven, right? Since there is very little connection between the ''you'' that ceases to be when the heart stops and the "you" that goes on, you might as well admit that everything ends with death.

Death of the ego is not death of the soul.

>> No.10896049

>>10896034
I was wandering through this track, this one way path Ive always had, and gave him, my only friend another look. And he left, I turn and was left with the shadow of what was our shared path.

>> No.10896053

>>10896046
Death of the ego is not death of the self.
The death of self is not the death of the soul

>> No.10896062

if there was no death, everyone would wish for it

>> No.10896067

>>10896062
If there was no death, no one would know of it.
Ask an angel what death is, they will say
It is but a game that the funny 'mortals' play

>> No.10896073

Death is my muse.
Causality in Death.

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>>10896053
Ergo death of the ego is not death of the eggo, death of the eggo is not death of the waffle

>> No.10896082

>>10896073
Muse danced with casuality
And death gave it spice

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>>10895484
>look at how poetic I am

>> No.10896095

>>10896046
So what is the soul? Why is it relevant?
Even if you say that you are the ego+the soul, the conclusion is that after death an essential part of yourself is going to be left behind and only this abstract part will survive.
If you say that the soul is the only essential part then you contradict yourself, as that would mean that all of our personality is included in the soul, including things such as our fetishes, mundane preferences, experiences.

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I'm too low iq to put it into words.
Terrified of it but also long for it I guess.
Want to believe there's something more but deep down I know there isn't.

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>>10895484

>> No.10896385
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>death gives life meaning

>> No.10896391

I refuse to die.

>> No.10896392

>>10895484
I think you should let your atoms free themselves, you see...

>> No.10896395

>>10896095
u didnt trap him this is extremely autistic

>> No.10896412

>>10895321
would a universe this cruel have something as relieving as death?

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>>10895396
>there will be such a thing as worshiping in heaven
Why is the christcuck's worldview so pathetic?

>> No.10896432

>>10896422
uga buga

>> No.10896443

I believe dying should have excruciating pain. Dying is the last thing will do, and pain is proof that you are alive at all. The pain you feel than well be your reward in what comes after.

>> No.10896462

I can't die for I am God, when you look at it logically

>> No.10896467

i am curious to experience how consciousness can end but not so curious to end it prematurely

>> No.10896468

>>10896443
psychopathy

>> No.10896474

>>10896468
Life would be too anti-climatic if death was painless or peaceful.

>> No.10896482

>>10896443
We can make this happen anon
>>10895321
I like certain aspects of life a lot, but, if I get to live for 60+ years, then it will be a sweet release; otherwise, it's unfortunate

>> No.10896485

>Christian heaven is literally evangelion bullshit
you can't make this up lmao

>> No.10896488

>>10896467
How can it be any different than the time before you were born?

>> No.10896498

>>10896488
well maybe i'm just a brainlet but I don't recall what that was like

>> No.10896527

>>10895321

All things considered it is probably better than any credible alternative.

>> No.10896539

if it's my own death, my only fear that it's not the end. i find it very doubtful that it is.

>> No.10896591

>not freezing yourself just before death and sleeping until they find the cure
l8r, plebs. I will take great pleasure in spitting on your pitiful graves in the future.

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>>10895321
excited desu

>> No.10896677

>>10895396
a bodily resurrection is Catholic doctrine you heretic

>> No.10896687

>>10895321
M O M E N T O M O R I

>> No.10896697

>>10895321
Can't come soon enough.
I think wanting to die is a cowardly approach to life but given the fact that it is inevitable i feel a deep urge all of it to end, but with me giving my best. Like if a nuke is thrown 10 km from me, in those few moments before the blast, in which nothing could be done to ensure my survival, i think i would not feed sorrow, grief or anger but a relief. Like if a big heavy burden in finally lifted and the bad dream ends.

>> No.10896707

I am unconcerned with whether I live or die. I am more concerned with finding meaning in the life I do have. To me a meaningless existence is worse than death. The only true life is a spiritual life and the only true death a spiritual death.

he calls himself accursed
because he dreams of heaven's height
I sleep a deep and dreamless void
you break a long held fast
I live and die a beast
anoint yourself young prince
in guilt you dream ambrosia
I taste ash

It is the impossible hope and dream of The Good that we have faith in that gives meaning to life even if that same hope gives us most of our pains.

>> No.10896728

>>10895321
I figure that if there is a God then whatever he/she/it/xir decided happens after death is probably the best option. If there isn't then I guess I'll probably be too dead to care at that point.

It's the whole process of dying that worries me.

>> No.10896752

>>10896498
Then you will forget the experience after life

>> No.10896962

>>10896591
literally no reason not to do this
Actually just wake me up when holowaifus are real

>> No.10896992

>>10896707
What do you consider meaning?
I was always looking for something greater than myself, higher power, war, innovation, etc.
Then I realized that I will never achieve these things, most people don't. If I die in a hospital bed at 80 and look back on my life from then I believe I will see the meaning I had in the things that only a normal life can offer. A funny conversation with a friend, a tender moment with a lover, the sadness from a family members passing. The smell of freshly cut grass or the wind at the beach.
I'm never appreciative enough of such things, but really these are the only things one can find meaning in. I guess I now try to practice looking around me instead of looking ahead.

>> No.10897012

>>10896728
no soul, no thoughts, p-zombie beetle crawling around in the rotwood hissing at other beetles

>> No.10897073

>>10895321
the most important and intricate moment of my life which yet to come! yay!

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>>10895484

>> No.10897186

>>10896687
mEmento you fucking pleb

>> No.10897201

>>10896687
who let the kids in?

>> No.10897297

>>10896095
Bro I was trying to get them to realize that on their own.

Quit reaching in my pockets
Quit casting out my pearls
Your head is gettin' dipped
I'm flushin' for the swirls
I got myself some kicks
and I'm bustin' on your girl
Middle finger in the air
I hope you sit and twirl

>> No.10897311

>>10895321
I'm almost 100% sure I'll just pop back into life somewhere as something at sometime, really have no idea about the specifics of how this works, but it just seems overwhelmingly right.

>> No.10897323

>>10896752
you do remember it, but not as a memory. The initial state of your soul is how you lived your previous existence. You can change it in this life or not

>> No.10897392

I don't believe in an afterlife but have always thought that it would be better to die relatively early than to waste away in old age due to illness or dementia, so I wouldn't have a problem committing suicide if I decide life isn't worth living anymore. So I'm not exactly scared of a death where I simply cease to exist.
Still, I was raised in a very strict/repressive religion and haven't been able to completely get rid of the fear of death that instilled in me. I often wonder if I'm wrong and will end up in hell after I die due to the way I live now.

>> No.10897457

>>10897392
Really? So the idea of non-existence doesn't terrify you?
Truthfully though there are times where we are so eager to fall asleep. How different is it to just fall asleep forever?

>> No.10897573

>>10897457
That's basically it. I'll admit that though I'm not scared of actually being dead, the act of dying itself does make me apprehensive. I can't imagine it would be a good feeling to be aware of your own consciousness slipping away.

>> No.10897591

>>10897457
When we are eager to fall asleep we expect to wake up
We sleep to make our conscious state better

>> No.10897602

>>10895321
How does one learn to draw like this? Any books teach it?

>> No.10897604

>>10897392
Which religion?

>> No.10897611

>>10895396
I don't think that's substatiated by scripture, bud.

>> No.10897637
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I'm in such pain but I don't deserve a joyful heaven.
Death will be my paradise.

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>>10895321
Horrified by it. I am and will continue to do anything to prolong this experience for as long as possible. Best possible option so far seems to freeze myself indefinitely until a better way to preserve this experience shows itself where I can be awake and conscious while also preserving my body (or whatever can host this perceiving thing as it is now). I do not understand why someone would intentionally leave this opportunity behind, as the probability that you will ever find yourself in a vessel as lucid as this again is close to none. Savor it while you can, it truly is a miracle. Death as reunion with the Godhead sounds nice until it happens. The idea of losing this subjectivity is unsettling to the core of my being.

>> No.10897702

>>10897457
>>10897591
There are many misconceptions about sleep. Sleep is nothing like death. When your person is asleep, you are still conscious. You are the same perceiving thing receiving sensory data that is still processed whether you are asleep or awake. Your brain is always on and projecting your consciousness whether as a dream or as definitive sensory information. The only difference is that your movement is paralyzed to prevent you from hurting yourself while you are in this state of impaired lucidity. Whether you are awake or asleep it does not matter, as you are still the same perceiving thing. When you die, you lose this perceiving thing you have found yourself in. Sensory data may still be stored as data in your decomposing corpse, but it not processed or projected as any sort of consciousness. Equating death and sleep is not an accurate conclusion.

>> No.10897750

>>10895321
Here's how it really works you brianlets:

>Die
>Get to go to heaven for a little while
>after your time is up you get shoved back onto the assembly line and forced into a new body to suffer for a lifetime
>rinse and repeat, sometimes the person you are fucking now would've been your father in 50 lifetimes prior
>there are a limited number of souls to distribute so the world's population will have a hard cap we won't be able to exceed

quote me if you want my proof

>> No.10897759

It's the ultimate equalizer

>> No.10897781

>>10895321

Anxious to find out what's it like.

>> No.10897794

>>10895321

>106 posts and not one of you mentions the Watain artwork
Hmm.

Death is mankind's oldest friend.

>> No.10897799

>>10897750
This is a pretty egocentric idea. You really think this universe keeps track of a tiny amount of souls and only distributes them to humans?

>> No.10898796

>>10897781
I wish there was a way to experience it then go back to the living.

>> No.10898819

>>10895321
Very scared.
I don't want to die, and hope I can somehow avoid it.

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>>10898796
>>10897702
Why do you fags think death is really somehow special? When you are knocked unconscious it's basically the same feeling as being dead. That means feeling nothing at all. You would wake up hours later thinking that no time has passed.

>> No.10898851

>>10898838
>dead
>you would wake up hours later
God I hope not

>> No.10898863

>>10898838
>When you are knocked unconscious it's basically the same feeling as being dead.
Except it is not. Your body is still functioning as normal and you are still receiving and interpreting sensory data. The body doesn't turn off if you are knocked out.

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>>10898863
But it doesn't mean you ACTUALLY feel anything. For example, sometimes when a guy is focusing on something real hard and his hand gets cut off, he might not even notice it. It is the consciousness part that matters, and your body is just groups of cells acting on their own.

>> No.10898933

>>10898905
>It is the consciousness part that matters, and your body is just groups of cells acting on their own.
Yes, but your body is the host of that projection of consciousness. Those "unconscious" (not technically unconscious but commonly referred to as such) mechanisms like breathing and receiving sensory data still effect your that consciousness projection even if your wakeful mind and attention is not focused on them. If you lose your hand and are not under anesthetic, a part of your consciousness will always be aware of it whether you focus on it or not.

>> No.10898936

>>10895321
It's about time

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>>10898933
Only a part of your brain is responsible for consciousness. Your body only sends signals to your brain and part of your brain subconsciously decides how to deal with them. If a part of the brain decides to tell the other part of the brain to form consciousness, that's when you yourself feel it. Otherwise it would just pass as "didn't notice". The signals of pain or whatever will be ignored and have no further effects.
Do you see your nose? You should but your brain always subconsciously tricks you. You body (including part of the brain) and your cognition are not truly connected. Just co-existing cells that like to communicate with each other.

>> No.10898984

>>10895321
Pretty weird to be honest. Ever since my older brother offed himself seven years ago, I've been thinking about it daily.

It fuels my writing though, so I do not complain about it. In a sense it allowed me to find a productive endeavour to pursue, that makes life somewhat bearable, if not objectively meaningful.

I would say it is just present in my life.

>> No.10898987

>>10897759
T. Envoy. (Please kill yourself.)

>> No.10899030

He sought his former accustomed fear of death and did not find
it. “Where is it? What death?” There was no fear because there was no death.
In place of death there was light.
“So that’s what it is!” he suddenly exclaimed aloud. “What joy!”
To him all this happened in a single instant, and the mean- ing of that instant did not change. For those present his agony continued for another two hours. Something rattled in his throat, his emaciated body twitched, then the gasping and rattle became less and less frequent.
“It is finished!” said someone near him.
He heard these words and repeated them in his soul. “Death is finished,” he said to himself. “It is no more!”
He drew in a breath, stopped in the midst of a sigh, stretched out, and died.

>> No.10899051

>>10898971
>Only a part of your brain is responsible for consciousness
Only a part of your brain is responsible for the projection of consciousness* The projection itself is an illusion, not perceivable itself but things are assumed to be perceived through it.
Consciousness, according to me, encompasses the total of all conscious mechanisms in one's body. That includes subconscious thought, feelings, and sensations (as sensory data). You are right to say that parts of our bodies are not truly connected, but whether awake or asleep that communication is constant as long as the cells alive and function. This communion doesn't even end with death, but that projection of consciousness does end with death. That is why death is dissimilar to sleep or being knocked out.

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>>10899051
Even if what you said was true it doesn't make any practical difference. When you are asleep or unconscious everything disappears and nothing matters. Time will pass in the blink of an eye.

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10899084

"I have braved death too often to fear it."

At least that's what I hope to be able to say one day.

>> No.10899085

>>10899068
>When you are asleep or unconscious everything disappears and nothing matters
That is more true for things like anesthetics. When one sleeps they are still "thinking" as in subconscious thoughts are occurring. If you are lucky or atypically lucid one night you may witness a dream. This happens because you are always conscious (as long as you are not dead) with thoughts ready to be projected and witnessed by your perceiving thing at all times. Everything only disappears when you die and that projecting, perceiving thing can no longer tap into the stream of thoughts that was once ever-present. It's pretty sad.

>> No.10899087

>>10895321
tsundere for it, scared but long for its sweet release

like the underground man, can't be anything, not even alive or dead

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>>10899084
>tfw you stutter

>> No.10899135

>>10899117
>he isn't an oratory master already who literally never stutters
pleb. you not only have to READ the greeks but learn to speak like them.

>> No.10899156

Worried that I'm going to be reincarnated as grass desu

>> No.10899165

>>10899156
Then you better start treating grass with a bit more respect in this life.

>> No.10899184

>>10895321
Want it so bad. Life is boring and miserable.
Yet my family wants me to stay alive, and my body wants to be alive, so I'm stuck here for the time being.
I could take my fate into my own hands but I'm too afraid of the pain of dying.
So I guess I'm killing time...

>> No.10899189

>>10895396
actually there can be no personal agency at all in heaven since, as the apologists would have it, free will is what allows for sin. And let's be honest, is it really "you" if you don't even care about your loved ones who didn't make it?

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>>10899184
Anime will cheer you up anon

>> No.10899201

>>10899184
>muh family would miss me soooo much
Yeah, right. There are plenty of completely painless ways to die. You just aren't motivated enough.

>> No.10899203

>>10899189
>doesnt understand the idea of leaving heaven is through the consumption of the fruit from the tree of knowledge
Free will exists in heaven

>> No.10899252

it is going to be horrible and it is going to be great

>> No.10899257

>>10895321
>>10895947
Fuck off Platonist subhumans.

>> No.10899258

>>10895393
>>10895399
Would be genius if that were the intention. Saving it just for that, even though I have a non-reflective monitor.

>> No.10899274

Ready... And not at the same time. Certainly no fear for myself, but of course loved ones. I've come to the conclusion that life is pointless suffering. You suffer and die, so why not end the suffering when I see fit. To stop other people from suffering? I don't care... Yet I do at the same time. If everyone felt the way I did, life would be extict. Weird that life finds in itself that no life is better.

>> No.10899297

>>10895321
It makes me scared, anxious, angry and sad but grateful, relieved, focused and just fucking fascinated. It's the worst and best thing to happen.

>> No.10899340

>>10895396
That sounds more like hell.

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10899351

>>10899257
you mad?

>> No.10899663

>>10897602
Anybody?

>> No.10899678

>>10895361
What did he say about it?

>> No.10899707

>>10897311
>I'll just pop back into life somewhere as something at sometime
Would you have memories from you previous life? If not, than how could it be you?

>> No.10899709

>>10899257
>Platonism is bad

say goodbye to philosophy

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>>10895321
>How do you feel about death, /lit/?
You cannot kill that which has no life.

>> No.10900383

>>10895373
YouTube philosopher over here.

>> No.10900386

>>10900383
Sorry if I'm not refined enough for you senpai

>> No.10900390

>>10895396
Yeah
Or your brain dies and you stop existing

>> No.10900420

>>10900386
That's ok. Start with the Greeks, anon! Maybe you can see how retarded Nietzsche was about tragedy!

>> No.10900475

Nature does not know extinction; all it knows is transformation. Everything science has taught me, and continues to teach me, strengthens my belief in the continuity of our spiritual existence after death.

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>>10900475
>science has taught me
>spiritual existence

>> No.10900540

>>10900420
I did start

>> No.10900570

Absolutely terrified. I really don't think it can lead to anything good

>> No.10900676

>>10900420
I have already read the Greeks. My knowledge of the dyonisian/apollonian doesn't stop at Nietzsche as I have read the birth of philosophy which made me understand that Dyonisus and Apollo are aspects of the same god. Apollo is the god of with poisoned arrows, who strikes from afar and poses us an Enigma. Death is part of the Enigma, those who can't answer it become lost.
>Who tries to interpret the world as an enigma is moved by a serious, iron-like, profound, violent instinct, almost for the presentiment that beyond at the bottom of everything there is a thread, uncovered which it will become possible to trace the map to escape the labyrinth of life and, at the same time, by a playful and light instinct, hungry for uncertainty, with the same drunkenness of who removes the veils of the unknown with considered slowness
>And at the end, laughter, or what else?
>Yes, but laughter is an expressive spasm. The dice are cast and they still roll: but yet, when they stop, they show something that is not a game.

>> No.10900680

“Zhuangzi's wife died. When Huizu went to convey his condolences, he found Zhuangzi sitting with his legs sprawled out, pounding on a tub and singing. "You lived with her, she brought up your children and grew old," said Huizu. "It should be enough simply not to weep at her death. But pounding on a tub and singing - this is going too far, isn't it?"

Zhuangzi said, "You're wrong. When she first died, do you think I didn't grieve like anyone else? But I looked back to her beginning and the time before she was born. Not only the time before she was born, but the time before she had a body. Not only the time before she had a body, but the time before she had a spirit. In the midst of the jumble of wonder and mystery a change took place and she had a spirit. Another change and she had a body. Another change and she was born. Now there's been another change and she's dead. It's just like the progression of the four seasons, spring, summer, fall, winter.

"Now she's going to lie down peacefully in a vast room. If I were to follow after her bawling and sobbing, it would show that I don't understand anything about fate. So I stopped.”

― Zhuangzi, The Complete Works of Chuang Tzu

>> No.10900686

>>10895484
Is this one of your new wacky inventions, Rick?

>> No.10900799

>>10897750
proof giv me proof

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what pisses me off about it and makes me scared as shit is the unknown
which in itself is dumb because I technically "know" there's nothing there, there is no unknown, it all just stops, but I can't....picture it
I start picturing it, and I imagine everything around me disappearing, all the stuff, the bed I'm in, the carpet, then the door, the walls, the ceiling, then the people, and I start to really freak out, my neighbors that i hate, my friends, my parents, and then me, and not just me as in people won't see me, but everything, my memories, these very thoughts, this voice I'm thinking with and it's usually at this point that I get this jolt through my entire body like a spasm and I sometimes let out a short terrified no that I yell into my pillow and then it's over
til next time I try to imagine death
fuck you visual thinking

>> No.10900897

>>10895321
i'm not scared of dying anymore, and that scares me.

>> No.10900908

>>10899678
He died.

>> No.10900920

>>10900851
You're going to be pissed when you end up in a South Park type parody hell and learn that you were ignorant.

>> No.10900926

>>10900920
y'know, I want to say I'd prefer that over literal nothingness but what can I say....
>I'm not gonna hold my breath :3

>> No.10900933

>>10895321

I died once or twice. It wasn't super pleasant and didn't appear to have much of a purpose.

>> No.10900940

>>10900933
of course it didn't silly. Life is what has the meaning.

>> No.10900967

>>10899678
He said something along the lines of it's stupid to fear what is unknown, we often paint death with horror and misery but what if it's the complete opposite.

he also believes that death is the liberation of the soul from the body - and every philospher who seeks truth should welcome that as the body often taints and contaminates the soul's search for what is true with it's senses/desires for wealth, sex etc.
So Death is freedom of the Soul from the body according to socrates.

It doesn't give me any concern.

But for me i assume what is evident until something comes along and suggests otherwise - that when i die i will be nothing.

For billions and billions of years I did not exist, and in life i have been provided a brief fraction of time to enjoy consciousness but i will return to the empty nothingness again.

I try to view my life as if i am a traveller, travelling into consciousness but at the end of the day my holiday must end and i must return to the empty nothingness - so i must not get too over attached (it's easier said than to live by)

>> No.10901021

>>10900967
>the liberation of the soul from the bod
but that's bullshit desu

>> No.10901034

>>10900967
>I haven't read anything beyond Plato: the post

>> No.10901035

>>10895321

Pretty good.

>> No.10901038

>>10899135
>Greeks
>Not Cicero’s Latin dialect
Utter pleb

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>>10895321
Eventual oblivion is a constant source of comfort.

>> No.10901057

>>10900940

That doesn't seem to be the case either.

>> No.10901059

>>10896391
My boy.

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The same way I feel about naps

>> No.10901080

>>10901057
Then you've fucked up, my man

>> No.10901100

>>10897750
>>Die
>>Get to go to heaven for a little while
>>after your time is up you get shoved back onto the assembly line and forced into a new body to suffer for a lifetime
This seems true to me, with "heaven" being somewhat of an inadequate description of "where" we "end" up.

>>rinse and repeat, sometimes the person you are fucking now would've been your father in 50 lifetimes prior
>>there are a limited number of souls to distribute so the world's population will have a hard cap we won't be able to exceed
Not sure where you got this from though. I would appreciate elaboration.

>> No.10901103

>>10901080

No, it was everyone else who fucked up. I acted perfectly.

>> No.10901123

>>10901103

>No, it was everyone else who fucked up. I acted perfectly.

Whew no wonder you're unhappy. You actually need to unironically get yourself sorted. Do some growing up.

>> No.10901127

>>10901123

I grew up. I did everything I was supposed to do. Everyone else fucked up. Everyone else continues to fuck up. Everyone else will always fuck up.

>> No.10901132

>>10901127
Yet you live in the same world as many people who've done quite well for themselves. C'mon anon. I'd like to help you stand up and continue marching with your bayonet ready and chest puffed out.

>> No.10901140

>>10895385
hurr
Glad I went through this religious stage before I turned 18

>> No.10901155

>>10895396
C'mon dude! I dream about doing mountains of cocaine and talking to my dead ancestors and giving high fives to fallen crusaders

>> No.10901156

>>10901132

This world rewards mediocrity and success is time sensitive because both good and bad things snowball. If I had so much as a place to live then I would be able to climb out of this hole, but I don't and it's unlikely I'll ever have the conditions necessary for success again. If I'd known from the start how much better than everyone else I was I would have sandbagged and done fine for myself, but I didn't, because I didn't go to public school and went straight to college, so I thought I just went all out all the time and caused everyone to collude against me and destroy my life.

>> No.10901161

>>10895816
>worship a semitic cult
>complain about jews

>> No.10901162

>>10901156
Lol okay bro. Nevermind. Lol fucking kys.

>> No.10901164

>>10901162

I'd rather kill you.

>> No.10901168

I think it will be the ultimate climax. I fear it but also think it will be the most sublime experience one can have. Even if it does not end in absolute nothingness forever, it will still be a huge milestone in my cosmic timeline (if such a thing exists).

>> No.10901170

>>10901162
I doubt you could.

>> No.10901175

>>10901170

If your aim is as bad with a gun as it is on 4chan then it shouldn't be too hard.

>> No.10901182

>>10901175
Don't start screeching autistically

>> No.10901184

>>10901182

u mad

>> No.10901212

>>10901062
Based daoposter

>> No.10901408

it's possible to become immortal but it's really really hard and im worried i wont make it aaaaaaaaaaa

>> No.10901449

The most intense DMT trip ever, expanding your consiousness infinitely, and thereby deathing (You) and uniting you and everyone and God. Should be bretty nice

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I don't mind the idea of being dead. It doesn't bother me at all. Dying, on the other hand, sounds awful. I don't want to be withering away in a hospital bed, hooked up to machines that help me function. Tubes shoved down my nose to feed me and into my veins to deliver medicine. Becoming worse and worse over time until I can barely even take a breath without a machine doing it for me.
I also hate the idea of having the blood drained from my body and being cut open to find out what killed me, then having my body burned and my bones being ground into a fine powder by a depressed man on minimum wage.
Tbh it would have been far comfier to have never been born in the first place.

>> No.10902975

>>10901449
DMT that is potentially released during intense stress (often before dying) is in a much lower dose than ingesting crystal DMT from a non-endogenous source. Smoking DMT will be much more intense than anything released when one dies,

>> No.10903010

>>10895321
take me home, baby, unpresence me

>> No.10903046

Death is death, what I care about is the quality of how I go to my grave. When I am dead there is nothing, so that is pretty irrational to be concerned with.

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>>10895321
I can't say i fear it, i am unease with the concept of my death but even worse to me is the death of my loved ones. I don't exactly mean i'm afraid of losing them and missing them, i've already lost my father and i know what that's like, but i am absolutely terrified of the life in their body to cease. I can't imagine a time in the world where the mind behind my mothers' eyes will end and it will take away with it everything she had and had known, everything she thought of and remembered. I can't imagine a time in cosmic life where her eyes will shut and stop opening because humans like her do not deserve to cease existing and just die. It's unjust that she has to end.

>> No.10903213

>>10903195
Do you know how cruel it is to wish for someone to live forever?

>> No.10903404

>>10895321
I had two recent run-ins with death in the past month and discovered that I was not as fearful as I thought I would be, though I did have a tinge of sadness and regret. I am also a depressive though so perhaps that dampened my fear and will to live.

Ask me whatever you like about my experiences.

>> No.10903750

Being dead isn't all that bad, either a total lack of existence or something else entirely which would be intresting. Actually dieing would be pretty bad though, hopefully it's something quick.

>> No.10904941

The only thing I hate about death is the fact that i'll miss all these cool developments in science, technology and humanity as a whole.

>> No.10904977

>>10895385
>>10895396
>>10895451
>>10897750

If you believe in a magical sky fairy who allows us to live beyond death in a cloud city you are litterally brain dead.

Christfags fuck off. You have no place in any intellectual debates.

>> No.10904979

>>10903213
i do not know, i wish it for my doggo, my father, my mother, my sister...

>> No.10904986

>>10896677
This.

You get a perfected body, instead of the one you have now. Kind of a transhumanist thing, actually.

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>>10895321
Death is a lot like pain, we don't know when or how it will happen, just that it will. It's part of existence and it's inevitable. Only a faggot wastes time worrying about what he cannot control.
Also points for using art from Watain's Lawless Darkness. The band that influenced them and are part of the same occult faith Dissection, the lead singer killed himself after stating that he had achieved everything he wanted to in this world.

>> No.10905097

>>10900908
top fucking lel

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I don't fear it but rather hate it. Death limits my time on this earth and thus limits my time to learn. I cannot do every single thing i want to do nor read every single book i want to read. I will forever be against the clock and this fact brings me an anguish that eats me up on the inside. It makes my time so precious and my dreams so risky that i can only stick to one thing or I will be mediocre in everything
>and the captcha taking multiple tries doesn't help

>> No.10905135

Which book has the best personification of death?

>> No.10905329

>>10905119
Exactly this.

>> No.10905360

>>10895321
I understand it's inevitable, but at this point in my life don't want to experience it.

>> No.10905364

>>10895321
scared, but kind of excited, too.

>> No.10905408

>>10901140
Glad I went through my athiest phase before I was 18

>> No.10905414

>tfw was highly suicidal for a long time
I've come to peace with it I think, which is an emotional state that takes a certain amount of experience. Even when you attain that experience, when it comes up still terrifying yet cathartic

>> No.10905421

>>10895321
been pretty apathetic to death, like i always feared the pain more than the actual process of stopping to exist, but lately i feel like that final struggle before death is one worth going through rather than giving up and accepting death. not because death has become scary but rather that final act of stubbornness seems like a process worth going through

>> No.10905438

>>10904986
how big will my dick be?

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Obligatory oregano

>> No.10905517

it happens to all of us, often sooner than we expected, painfully, and for reasons totally out of our control (like war or cancer)

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>>10895321
I generally live right on the line of life affirmation and denial when I'm in my normal state in a neutrality that can easily go towards positive (see a qt bird in the garden) or negative (dentist appointment early in the morning).

How I feel about death really depends on my calendar and the weather and how well I slept and what's in the fridge and the like. I have no ideological allegiance to a value judgement about life or death that is not directly circumstantial to the moment, so I can cycle between welcoming death and gratefulness to be alive on the same day. Feels a bit unstable but also sincere and straight forward, like a fleshy hedonic barometer.

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>>10905559

>> No.10905705

It's not that being dead scares me, it's the dying part. I'm also always afraid I'll die before I can accept it, or before I can consider myself to have lived a full, or at least long enough, life.

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>>10895816

>> No.10905802

>>10895451
Dope

>> No.10905807

>>10905517
But war is in our control, and cancer too to some extent.

>> No.10905815

>>10896385
"The meaning of life is that it stops." - Kafka. Is he retarded?

>> No.10905829

>>10895947
>If you were a true Christian you would look forward to dying. This life is negligible to you.

lol no. Get this Nietzschean bs out of here. This is not true at all. Religion does not will to nothing. Life is sacred in the religious tradition that is to be sanctified not desecrated in the hopes that it will end soon.

Why do you think Christianity denies harmful behaviors towards that body along with suicide?And promotes procreation?

Eternal life can only be realized in this life in order to not suffer the second death, which is that of the spirit. Thus, life is good in so far as you may realize God's divine nature.

>> No.10905856

>>10905829
no its not read the bible you dump cow

>> No.10905868

>>10903404
>had two run-ins with death in the last month
explain faggot

>> No.10905881

>>10895321
It has become my god. It gives my life meaning and peace knowing that the suffering won't last forever

>> No.10905897

The natural balance to life.

Equal and opposite reaction, and death is its natural counter weight.

Where there is pleasure there is also pain, likewise the same applies to life.

It's often feared, because we haven't known anything but life. But I reckon it won't be so bad. A void of eternal peace, and we will see each other again when we all return to the source. And this is not some mystical parlance, but a scientific reality. After the expansion will come the big crunch where we will see each other again.

>> No.10905906

>>10905856
JOHN 3:1 "He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.” 3Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” 4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born? Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again. The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”


Hm weird.

>> No.10906012

I don't think Hell makes much sense in the long run

If not worshiping god puts you in hell then what about all the people who never had a chance to worship him? Are you really to blame for not being a Christian if you were born into an Amazon jungle tribe and died with 0 contact of the outside world and even any knowledge of Christianity?

And regarding sin eventually you'll atone for whatever crime you did. Sure it could take millions and millions of years of torture if you were one sick bastard but due to the nature of eternity wouldn't the punishment outweigh the crime eventually? Hell seems like such an extreme punishment that you must have done something horribly wrong with evil intent to be deserving of it.

>> No.10906150

>>10905829
Procreation is not near the top of the things Christianity promotes. Catholic priests cannot marry, Orthodoxy has plenty of monks and nuns that live in seclusion as well. You can't of any people closer to the word of God than these ones and procreation is completely out of the question for them.
Suicide is forbidden because life is considered a gift from God and throwing it away is sacrilege. But nobody says that you should live it in some specific way, besides worshiping God and praying for the afterlife. You may find a quote or two that you can interpret your way, but you have to admit that most messages from the Bible and other holy texts and prayers are concerned with the judgment and redemption of the soul.

>> No.10906153

>>10905897
Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost.

>> No.10906163

>>10895321

Well right now I think I'm about ready for it as much as I could ever be
God if you want it you better do it now
If you wait too long I might end up fighting back

>> No.10906217

>>10906150
Uhhhhhh
>the children are gifts of the lord
>christians ought not to procreate
>induce monks as examples
not a good arguement.

>"Suicide is forbidden because life is considered a gift from God and throwing it away is sacrilege. But nobody says that you should live it in some specific way, besides worshiping God and praying for the afterlife"
those who don't keep the commandments cannot enter heaven. I don't know where you are getting at.
>You may find a quote or two that you can interpret your way, but you have to admit that most messages from the Bible and other holy texts and prayers are concerned with the judgment and redemption of the soul.
Yes but that doesn't in any way excuse that you don't know what you're talking about

>> No.10906296

I personally long for it, but that is because my life is sad. I think the most logical way is to feel complete indifference towards it, because that is what death is.

>> No.10906360

>>10906217
Where did I say that christians ought not to procreate? I said there are more important and mandatory things they have to do. If the monks part was not a good argument you would have refuted it.

>those who don't keep the commandments cannot enter heaven
>you do something good here
>so that you can go to some nice place after you're no longer here
I agree there is a Christian way of life, but it doesn't in any way encourage you to pursue a happy life, or get plenty of experience or things like that. Everything you do is so that you may get to heaven.

>> No.10906368

Not the end. There's a something after it and it's vague but it's there. How or in what way one will be conscious of it is another thing. But a 'you' continues.

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>>10905592
>tfw not sure if insulted or complimented

>> No.10906397

>>10906360
>Where did I say that christians ought not to procreate? I said there are more important and mandatory things they have to do. If the monks part was not a good argument you would have refuted it.

I am saying that Christians are not blamed for being monks, they do not sin, but it depends on the intent. monks are of exception in so far as they commit to not committing sins. Having children is optimal. Jesus says you don't have to be a monk, but if it is necessary so you don't sin, go ahead and do so. The value of continuance of life in absence of sin is more optimal. Jesus didn't go around telling everyone to be a monk for a reason.

This comment
>those who don't keep the commandments cannot enter heaven
was in response to your response here
>" But nobody says that you should live it in some specific way, besides worshiping God and praying for the afterlife"

clearly you do not know what you are talking about.

>Everything you do is so that you may get to heaven.

Why is this a problem? heaven is the revelation that you are in union with God, that your true nature has its basis in God. It isn't a consequentalist way of thinking, trying to get a pleasure out of heaven. It's significance has its value on its own inherent truth, not its pleasures. This isn't Islam. You arent promised 72 virgins

>> No.10906445

>>10906397
you’re promised everlasting bliss and the reason for literally every single behavior on Earth is to keep your spot in the pleasure dome forever. Its life denying and totally otherworldly which is why fundamentalist sects come off as already dead, hence “all mormons are already dead”

>> No.10906493

>>10906445
the first death is not the one you should worry about. It's spiritual death, the second death, that is what is at stake.

Just because you have no fear of the former doesn't mean you wish it to come. It's a matter of indifference in so far as the time is determined by God's will. You don't seek to avoid the second death that you are seeking it because of pleasure. You seek to avoid it because it is not in truth. Your mind is still stuck in the pleasure-pain principle, the apple of good and evil that made adam and eve fall.

>> No.10906518

>>10906397
You still don't understand what I am trying to say and I feel you have a Bible Belt tier understanding of Christianity. The point is that, given the Christian metaphysics, the 80 or something years of this life and its experiences are obviously insignificant to the infinity of what awaits on the other side. And there is nothing telling you that you have to do something like getting experience, making art or other non life-denying activities. You can sit in the same building all your life and do the same things every day and it's completely fine, even preferable to risking falling into sin by trying to be happy.
You also can't explain how come faithful people aren't rewarded with anything in this life but, presumably, all their rewards are waiting for them in the afterlife.

You admitted I'm right both with this comment:
>Yes but that doesn't in any way excuse that you don't know what you're talking about
and this one:
>Why is this a problem?

You should grow up and understand that religion is not some self-help bullshit that helps you live life with a perpetual smile on your face. People twisting Christian beliefs so that they can meet their world-view are the reason why it is taken less and less seriously.

>> No.10906520

>>10906445
Let me boil it down this way

>there is physical life and death
>worrying about the physical death is pointless. it has no worth
>There is spiritual life and death.
>You worry about the spiritual death because It means the end of spiritual life
>spiritual life is independent of pleasurable experiences, hence the reason not to fear death of the body.
>spiritual bliss is rooted in God. Truth itself. Value is not something you created, but value is good insofar as it is truely understood

conclusion:
>How can you get spiritual life if not by realizing its importance in the physical life?
>Morality, independent of pleasure and pain

done

>> No.10906540

>>10906518
>You can sit in the same building all your life and do the same things every day and it's completely fine, even preferable to risking falling into sin by trying to be happy.

again you seem to have a problem with this because you don't undestand this >>10906520

which explains this question
>You also can't explain how come faithful people aren't rewarded with anything in this life but, presumably, all their rewards are waiting for them in the afterlife.

the response is that they aren't truly faithful. you keep wanting some pleasurable reward to come down to you, but the reality is that it isn't given to you, it is uncovered independent of the shit that goes on around you.

>> No.10906548

>>10906518
You keep on expecting that this reward is not secured in this life but in the afterlife. That is the complete opposite of what Christianity is trying to tell you. Absolute brainlet teir

>> No.10906562

https://soundcloud.com/heyokapod/hamlet

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>>10906548
Is that why faithful people are always the happiest, live the longest lives and are never without the material resources they need, while all sinners get what they deserve?
If you honestly keep on being a christian with that mindset you are a completely blind retard.

>> No.10906600

I think Death is a pretty cool guy. Eh comes to all men and doesn't afraid of anything.

>> No.10906608

>>10905868
>bad strain of the flu. I had to be hospitalized for a high temperature when I was 17 and this felt worse. I could actually smell death on my breath. My body chemistry changed.
>Witnessed a mugging, 4 vs 1, and one had a gun. The muggers were freaking out cause it wasn't going well so I thought maybe they aren't brave enough to commit murder. Tackled a guy, then got kicked in the face and beat the shit out of for a few seconds before they fled.

>> No.10906620

>>10906540
That post has got nothing to do with what I've been trying to say. It's all a bunch of sophisms anyway. What the fuck is spiritual death?

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>all the miserable plebs ITT
The very purpose of your existence that is to serve for the human progress will be completed when you die and you can just die peacefully and honorably. Your brain dies and the void ahead is only the natural state of things.
Stop being a whiney little faggot.

>> No.10906766

>>10906620
>what is spiritual death
>claims to know anything about Christianity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_death_in_Christianity

>> No.10906803

>>10895321
It's necessary

>> No.10906862

>>10906704
>posts pedo anime
>doesn’t think about telos deeper than social construct
>is a stupid fucking nip or weeb
i’ve seen you or someone exactly like you post this sentiment multiple times

>> No.10906878

It's alright I just have to be sure I finish writing my books first.

>> No.10906892

>>10906766
Are you kidding me? A wikipedia article with three tiny paragraphs and only from the point of view of Protestantism and Mormonism?

What do you think about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism
>The belief in Annihilationism, has appeared throughout Christian history, but has always been in the minority.

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>>10906892
>Annihilationism asserts that God will eventually destroy the wicked, leaving only the righteous to live on in immortality. Some annihilationists (e.g. Seventh-day Adventists) believe God's love is scripturally described as an all-consuming fire[3] and that sinful creatures cannot exist in God's presence.

Oh man why isn't there a doom metal band that writes songs based on this??

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>>10906862
The only reason you think what I just said is not the ultimate purpose of your life is that you don't see the bigger picture.
Of course you'd be confused and scared, trying to figure out a "deeper meaning" when you only think about things bound to your own little world. Being all whiny and sentimental about death, but it won't change a thing.
Life just doesn't matter on the individual level.

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>>10906600
>doesn't afraid of anything
fucking genius alert!

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>>10907087
>being this much of a newfag

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>>10907101
no u

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10908313

Death is not an inevitability:

sens.org
https://discord.gg/DDpUqJh
https://discord.gg/ftSbffu

>> No.10908367

>>10900680
only chinaman worth reading

>> No.10908380

The worst idea is there being only imps/demons/djnns in the higher powers. Being at the suffering of madness for an eternity.

>> No.10908383

like it can’t come fucking soon enough

>> No.10908386

>>10895484
dont worry anon i thought it was good

>> No.10908388

>>10895343
This nigga seen some shit

>> No.10909189

>>10905471
I don't get it.

>> No.10909201

>>10905738
back to /pol/