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I write to you today in awe. I have just recieved first word of the beginning of the end for free speech in Britain.
A hate group known as 'Hope Not Hate' has drawn up a list of books that they deem unacceptable. They are successfully pressuring retailers to stop selling certain titles that they disagree with for political reasons.
This is a large scale attempt to censor literature en masse, and an attempt to shape culture.
The nature of some of the titles is unpalatable, for example Holocaust denial. However many have existed for a long time and stood up against censorship - the Anarchist Cookbook for one.
They say that these books are 'hateful' and 'dangerous'. Well I say that banning books (!) is the greater danger. In this age of disinformation, it is vital that we have the full picture, even if the topics are unsavoury, we cannot shy away.

That is why I propose a plan.
We gather digital copies of all of the books listed, I know that many of them are already prevalently shared online. We then bundle the books together into a torrent, and disseminate the torrent. This way we can build a resilient vehicle for the books against any effort to censor them.
We cannot stand idly by [pardon the rhetoric] whilst our freedoms are eroded. Even if you don't partake, please have a look through the titles, keep an eye out. It may be important. If information is important enough to be censored, it's important enough for us to save,

The list is included in this document:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Briefing%E2%80%93turn-the-page-on-hate.pdf

I hope that these seeds fall on fertile ground.

>> No.10868201

Terrifying and sad, even if it’s literature that I would never read or find personal revolting.

>> No.10868205

JUST

>> No.10868207

What is it with proles and signing (or voting) their most important freedoms away, but bitching if you take their most mindless degenerate hedonistic ones away?

Why do they always want to give up the really essential freedoms just so that their pathetic jerkoff hugbox can be more comfortable? Is it actually necessary to FORCE retarded common people to remain free?

>> No.10868208

>>10868182
There will always be people who ban books as there will always be people to call them out on it. Such is life.

>> No.10868210

>>10868207
Whoa, calm down there Rousseau.

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10868230

Can this be a banned books review thread? Has anyone read some of these from the list?

>> No.10868234

>>10868207
No. It's needed to force a few obligations and force proles to like it that way.

>> No.10868236

I used to think Orwell was writing cautionary tales about Stalin but no, it was the eternal bong he was warning us about.

>> No.10868244
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10868244

MUH BREE SBEECH

>> No.10868248

>>10868182
Its the business's right to sell or not. Just boycott them if you care

>> No.10868250

asking someone to not sell a book isn't wanting to ban a book. someone not selling a book isn't censorship. if you really want it, pirate it.

>> No.10868252

>>10868182
why are they allowed to sell Bibles, Korans and Torahs but not Holocaust Denial books? are Semitic lies worth more than Aryan lies!?

>> No.10868254

Are they actually banning those books or is this just typical 4cheng alarminism?

>> No.10868256

>banning guns
>banning books

Britain, everyone, leader of the free world.

>> No.10868264

>>10868182
The English and their thought crimes.

>> No.10868267

>>10868254
it's the ol' "well technichually it's not banning, we're just very adamant about these books getting a big stamp of disapproval, removed from decent society/public discouse and also they shouldn't be sold anywhere"
also who the fuck cares about the uk, let them stew in paki cum and acid. the inbred islanders are ready for the trashcan

>> No.10868277

And while the authorities ban books offensive to jews and jewish multiculturalism, and ban even weak right-leaning people like Brittany Pettibone from Britain altogether, they cover up the grooming and gang rape of thousands of young English girls by Paki apes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5503775/Police-victim-blame-Telford-sex-abuse-victims-young-11.html

This should sicken every white man with a semblance of a conscience. And remember that it was a jewess name Sue Berelowitz who covered these crimes up at the highest level.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/03/02/the-riddle-of-rotherham-mad-ash-white-trash-and-the-hostile-elite/

>> No.10868280

>>10868267
>very adamant about these books getting a big stamp of disapproval, removed from decent society/public discouse
So... like it is already now?

>> No.10868285

>>10868182
Among the people on that list are
>David Irving
>Oswald Mosley
>/lit/-meme Kevin MacDonald
>Alain de Benoist
>Julius Evola

Anyay, this entire thing is meaningless. While it might mean that the biggest retailers in the UK would no longer sell these books, there are enough smaller ones that would pick up the pieces. Plus through the internet you'll always have access to digital versions of those books.

>> No.10868286

Full List Transcribed from:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Briefing%E2%80%93turn-the-page-on-hate.pdf

The Turner Diaries by William Luther Pierce (aka Andrew Macdonald)

The Anarchist Cookbook

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

IRVING: Hitler’s War, Nuremberg, the Last Battle, Churchill’s War: Triumph in Adversity, Hess: The Missing Years, 1941-45

KOLLERSTROM: Breaking the Spell: The Holocaust: Myth & Reality

MATTOGNO: Chelmno: A German Camp in History and Propaganda, Auschwitz: The First Gassing: Rumor and Reality, Auschwitz: A Three-Quarter Century of Propaganda: Origins, Development and Decline of the Gas Chamber Propaganda Lie &&&

RUDOLF: Auschwitz: Plain Facts: A Response to Jean-Claude Pressac, The Chemistry of Auschwitz, Auschwitz Lies

FAURISSON: Pope Pius II’s Revisionism, Impact and Future of Historical Revisionism

LEUCHTER: The Leuchter Reports: Critical Edition

MOSELY: Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered, Automation: Problem and Solution, Revolution by Reason and Other Essays &&&

LEESE: The Jewish War of Survival, Jewish Press Control, Devilry in the Holy Land

JOHNSON: New Right vs. Old Right, Confessions of a Reluctant Hater, In Defense of Prejudice, Western Civilisation Bites Back &&&

MACDONALD: A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentiethcentury Intellectual and Political Movements

JORDAN: A Great Idea: National Socialism Then and Now, The National Vanguard: Vanguard of the Future

DE BENOIST: Manifesto for a European Renaissance, The Problem with Democracy, Beyond Human Rights &&&

EVOLA: Revolt Against the Modern World, A Handbook for Right-Wing Youth, Metaphysics of War &&&

WILLINGER: Generation Identity: A Declaration of War Against the ‘68ers, A Europe of Nations

CHESTERTON [A.K.]: The New Unhappy Lords, Creed of a Fascist Revolutionary, The Apotheosis of the Jew

SUNIC: Homo Americanus: Child of the Postmodern Age, Against Democracy and Equality: The European New Right

>> No.10868294

>Citing the Oklahoma bombing as proof that the book is dangerous
>not doing the same with the Quran

>> No.10868295

I honestly have to wonder if this is some deep-cover psyop by some Gnosto-Nazi traditionalist cult. Banning the physical sale of a book will do nothing to stop its spread. If anything, it does the opposite via the Streisand effect.

>> No.10868296

Far left books are a-ok though right?

>> No.10868301

>>10868295
Yep I was thinking the same.

>> No.10868314

>>10868280
nah, don't you know that people are reading culture of critique?

>> No.10868336

>>10868182
Publishers and distributers are free to publish or not publish whatever they please. The libertarian/free speech position argues frequently and obnoxiously that the market should decide what gets sold and what doesn't. This is what consumer advocacy looks like.

"I won't buy anything from a business that doesn't serve black people and I will encourage my friends to do likewise"

"I won't buy anything from a distributor that carries these titles and I will encourage my friends to do likewise"

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10868347

>ur free to do wat u want but we will try to fuck u up if u use that freedom

>> No.10868363

>>10868182
I'm pretty sure MI5 gets a list of all the people who buy Mein Kampf through fucking Amazon
This shit ain't going nowhere

>> No.10868384

>>10868296
>HOPE not hate is Britain’s leading anti-fascist campaign group.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/careers/

>>10868280
the worry is how quickly these books are getting delisted by book vendors. even by amazoz

>> No.10868398

>>10868182
back to /pol/, Brits aren't Amerifags. Whine about frees peech somewhere else.

>> No.10868406

>>10868286
All trash. Evola acceptable trash but still trash.

>> No.10868420

>>10868406
What's your problem with Alain de Benoist?

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10868422

>>10868406
>Everyone I don't like is trash

>> No.10868498

>>10868182
I just don't understand this. It's such a small minority of people in this country that support restricting book sales, but the most likely outcome of this is that they petition these companies by making a big stink about it on social media, followed by the companies caving in and removing these titles. I could honestly even see the government meeting these demands halfway and taking punitive action against companies that sell "hate literature".

Why though? What the fucking hell is the incentive for - companies or government - to listen to these clowns, when they're such a small fraction of the population and wouldn't make a dent in their overall sales? Please someone tell me the answer.

>> No.10868520

>>10868207
plebs actually hate and fear freedom, and there is no moral justification for foisting it upon them
enlightened despotic philosopher technomonarchy W H E N

>> No.10868539

>>10868336
Correct, but that's not what is happening here. These people are essentially threatening publishers and distributors that they'll run to the government and forcibly restrict them from selling certain works if they don't voluntarily remove them. That's not a libertarian process, that's making ever-increasing concessions to a mob in order to prevent a full governmental body-slam of censorship against your company.

>> No.10868545

Hehe right wingers need to read more books. AYO HOL UP NOT THOSE ONES THOUGH REEEEE

>> No.10868549

Oh look, the kikes have done it again.

>> No.10868559

>>10868406
>>>/reddit/

>> No.10868562

>>10868549
>kike
Back to the /pol/ where you came from

>>>/pol/

We were having a pretty good discussion too.

>> No.10868566

>>10868286
Appreciate this.

>> No.10868567

i must post this forthwith to /r/darkenlightenment and /r/the_donald .
Thank you brother in arms !

>> No.10868570

>>10868562
This is exactly why this is the worst board.
Whenever someone says something you don't agree with some trog complains and paints a /pol/ boogeyman picture

Consider death

>> No.10868576

>>10868182
What the fuck is wrong with the english people?

>> No.10868584

>>10868248
>it's the right of multi-Billion dollar corporations to restrict the avenues for free expression
When did corporations become human? When did corporations acquire the rights of citizens?

>> No.10868586

GOD SAAVE OUUUR GRACIOUS QUEEN
*takes away your guns*
LOONG LIVE OUUUR NOBLE QUEEEM
*takes away your books*
GOD SAAVE THE QUEEN
*lets in 300,000 African rapis--culturally enriched individuals*

Liberating

>> No.10868627

>>10868182
With great power comes great responsibility, and you managed to fuck it up. Suck it up, buttercup.

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10868629

>>10868586
The English have been jewed for a very long time and a sizable amount of thei leadership there are jews now intent on destroying the nation, as jews are wont to do.

People like David Cameron are the descendants of old school jews who infiltrated the elite long ago and turned it out, and the politics of London are literally squabbles between jews and their imported arab cousins as we saw in the last election between Sadiq Kahn (SP?) and the jew Goldsmith.

After the Brexit vote (which isn't happening BTW) a Rothschild jew was put on the case and has been making sure it goes nowhere. These kikes have total control of that place now and are flexing their desert/semite totalitarian nature over it.

Only white people care about free speech so it's no surprise that semites obliterate it as soon as they're allowed full control. And it's only going to get worse until these jews are purged.

>> No.10868640

>>10868584
Capitalism

>> No.10868664

>>10868629
>People like David Cameron

Lmao Cameron is something like 1/32 Jewish.

>> No.10868689

>>10868664
More than that, but he was mentioned to indicate how long jews have been breeding into the English elite. And to show that even small amounts of jewish blood are apparently still plenty to sway one's allegiances away from the homeland.

>> No.10868694

>>10868584
>WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T CHICK FIL A SERVE BURGERS THIS IS A VIOLATION OF MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHAT THE FUCK

>> No.10868698

>>10868584
So every company has to publish and sell every single book anyone writes?
Fucking retard

>> No.10868705

Free speech is a spook. What this does is limit the range of acceptable discourse.
>>10868336
>muh capitalism
kys cappycuck

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>>10868584
>>10868640

>> No.10868746

I'm not against banning books in principle but the problem with these people is that they don't have any definitions of "hate speech" or "harmful" that can be applied universally to all groups, so in practice banning harmful literature becomes a way to arbitrarily silence legitimate political opponents instead of forwarding the social good. I think they purposely keep their rules vague so they can avoid being held to the same standard.

>> No.10868757

>>10868746
I don't think you realize you're contradicting yourself.

>> No.10868768

>>10868757

Don't wait for me to ask you to explain yourself.

>> No.10868789

>>10868768
>I'm not against banning books in principle
>in practice banning harmful literature becomes a way to arbitrarily silence legitimate political opponents instead of forwarding the social good

this is quite literally the point of banning books as you said so yourself.

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10868801

Don't you guys understand that the enemy of England are the English people who refuse to accept that they aren't the future of England because they aren't the brown people who just arrived, whom the English government must protect from these evil and intolerant English people? How could anyone not realize how normal and reasonable this all is?!?

>> No.10868812

>>10868789

You don't think books can be banned for nonpolitical reasons? I can give a few examples like porn or guides on how to murder people. You said I contradicted myself but you haven't shown it.

>> No.10868842

>>10868812
Book banning is a slippery slope. The question is who will have the power to ban books and what will they ban? Once you allow it, it's hard to take that power away from whoever wields it.

>> No.10868867

>>10868842

That is precisely the point of my post. Without any defined standards that can apply universally banning books becomes a tool of oppression.

>> No.10868880

>>10868801
Long after we die, western society will self correct right? Multiculturalism at any cost will never work out right?

>> No.10868882

>>10868277
it's the fuckin daily mail for chrissake

>> No.10868891

>>10868294
>not doing the same with the bible

>> No.10868906

>>10868880
Western society is already beginning to correct itself, and multiculturalism has never worked.

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10868914

as if people don't "challenge" books in every country in the world
http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10#2016

>inb4 ah but books can't be banned in murica
maybe not but they can be removed for long enough that a whole tranche of students don't get to read them as part of their studies

also anyone who thinks anyone except /pol/ are going to pay any attention to the inane squeakings of hope not hate is seriously deluded

pic unrelated but i had a good wank over one of her videos earlier

>> No.10868930

>>10868286
What's wrong with those pope and auschwitz and ww2 books? They seem cool