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Can we have a Sound and the Fury discussion? Jason was 100% in the right.

>> No.10862199
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10862199

>>10862195

>tfw can't the Quinten section

>> No.10862203

>>10862199
Yeah there were some parts of that I just had to power through and put it together later.

>> No.10862204

We're talking about Jason III, right?

Anyway, Jason IV was his best son, fuck Faulkner's crush on the "Smells like leaves" girl

>> No.10862214

Was there any good indication as to why Caddy turned into such a whore? Was it just the loose parents and general decay of southern society?

>> No.10862231

>>10862214
First, that scene when they were kids when she climbs the tree to see her grandma's funeral. Shows she is a free spirited woman and independent

Second, she saw their parents were a disgrace and her society decadent, so she rebelled against it by sleeping around. That makes Incel Compson jealous and lunatic, and she has to run away because of that and to not bring any further shame to Miss Quentin

>> No.10862249

>>10862195

Jason chapter is best chapter.

BTW: anybody see Franco's adaptation?

>> No.10862279

>>10862249
No but it looked horrible. I can't help but hope Franco gets brought down by #metoo so he can stop bastardizing classic literature.

>> No.10862334

>>10862195

On the off-chance this isn't bait: Jason was a vile and loathsome human being who was 100% in not the right.

Jason's argument:
"I was going to be given a job at a bank, but when Caddy's husband divorced her, that fell through, so I will steal all the money she sends to her daughter."
Caddy didn't take anything from Jason - all that happened was he didn't get something beneficial that he had hoped for. And even if you think Caddy does owe him (which she doesn't) Quentin (whom he has punished all her life) *certainly* hasn't done anything to deserve it.

>> No.10862378

>>10862249
>>10862279

I watched the Franco film (with a decent amount of fast-forwarding) just the other night. It's a pity because he has the right idea of how to do it, but he just isn't skillful enough so it fails utterly.

He was right that it needs to be done very expressionistically with frequent swapping in and out of flashbacks, and Caddy needs to be presented in a kind of dreamlike, idealized, nostalgic way.

The trouble is it's just a mess. Some of the actors were good in their roles and some were just terrible. I would say:

Father - pretty good
Mother - pretty bad, needs to be more helpless & annoying
Jason Compson - very good, gets it just right
Quentin - ok
Benjy (33) - not good. Needs to be more soft & obese (he's castrated remember)
Caddy (7) - ok physically, not directed well at ALL
Caddy (14) - hopeless
Miss Quentin - hopeless
Luster - hopelessly wooden
Dilsey - meh

>> No.10862392

>>10862334
This. No one in the Compson family's good or admirable though. Dilsey's the hero.

>> No.10862423

>>10862214
>>10862231

Caddy is a very energetic, warm-hearted character with enormous sexual energy. She needs strong guidance and love which her family isn't giving her. Her father has affection for her but is too weak and her mother is pretty much useless.
She obviously wants to escape her circumstances (who in his right mind wouldn't?) and getting pregnant is an instinctive way of doing that.

>> No.10862426

>>10862378

I'm no director, but I think it'd be neat to have Caddy barely present, like a rumor, or a scent. That's how I felt her in the book.

>> No.10862432

>>10862392

Naa, Caddy is an almost-perfect human being in imperfect circumstances, and her slight imperfection causes her complete downfall, in classical tragic fashion.

>> No.10862446

>>10862432
Jesus, Faulkner, control your dick

>> No.10862457

>>10862426

For sure, the way she was done was much to solid and leaden-footed.

I agree, she should be seen just through the occasional glimpse of a hand giving a flower to Benjy, or a figure half-obscured by splashing water.
The whole book is carefully constructed to make her constantly-almost-attainable-and-irrevocably-lost. If you don't try and get that feeling you are missing the whole point. Franco TRIED to get it but he just isn't a good enough filmmaker.

>> No.10862460

>>10862457
* too solid

>> No.10862487

>>10862392
Niggers can't be heroes. Jason is right about everything. Caddy is a whore. Benjy should've been aborted. Quentin should've grew some balls and helped perpetuate the white race.

Faulkner was a cuck. Don't read that trash.

>> No.10862495

>>10862195
If he wasn't stealing her money to make up for his bad deals and laying into her so much, she might have been okay. Miss Quentin's nature isn't his fault, but his actions and attitude don't help. And it's not like anyone else in his life except his mother think that well of him either.

>> No.10862542

>>10862487

You defend your position with vigour, sir. This I can respect, despite the position itself being so hilariously absurd.