Evola

[Anonymous No.10834022]

I started reading this before I ever read anything on /lit/ about Evola. It's the first thing I have ever read of his and I think it's extremely insightful, why does Evola get a bad rep on here?

[Anonymous No.10834038]

Admit it, you just liked the name and wanted to lean back in your gaming chair, admiring your vast collection of anime figures, and declare that you are in revolt against the modern world.

[Anonymous No.10834053]

>>10834022
>Evola get a bad rep on here?
He doesn't. It's either neutral or supportive.

[Anonymous No.10834059]

Why do some people give him a bad rap on here? hmmm, I wonder who those people are.

[Anonymous No.10834077]

>>10834022
Because /lit/ is full of communists and Le epic centrists so anything with hint of Traditionalism/Fascism/National Socialism they instantly sperg out.

[Anonymous No.10834080]

>>10834022

I know that the Kali Yuga is mentioned a lot in the book (even included in the full title). I'm curious, how does he use it?

[Anonymous No.10834114]

>evola was once translated in german

I wonder if germans still read him

[Anonymous No.10834123]

>>10834022
>insightful
Why is everyone that uses this ugly anglo word such a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.10834150]

>>10834053
>believing this

[Anonymous No.10834170]

>>10834150
Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.10834199]

>>10834022
Start with Guenon

[Anonymous No.10834200]

>>10834022
>going against Evola is giving his supporters a chance to struggle

[Anonymous No.10834222]

>>10834022
>Its another internet Nazi pretending to read schizophrenic rantings to give intellectual basis to their "fuck niggers" ideology episode

[Anonymous No.10834241]

>>10834222
>it's another pleb who hasn't read anything by an author but labels him as /pol/

[Anonymous No.10834430]

It's a loud minority who dislike him, he's good.

[Anonymous No.10834450]

>>10834022
>why does Evola get a bad rep on here?
because he has annoying fanboys - most of whom probably haven't read him. 90% of threads about evola are "heyy tell me waht u think of this EPIC book... i just oderd it on amazon"

[Anonymous No.10834552]

It honestly feels like there is just one guy on this board, that really likes Evola so decides to make the same thread every couple of days, copy pasted, regardless of how boring everyone finds it in some attempt to increase his popularity.

[Anonymous No.10834576]

>>10834077
> Capitalism is materialism may may
Not this bullshit again. People just assume that because we have "consumers" and narcissism that markets are materialistic despite the defenses on the subject that no one has bothered to read to find the "truth" of the matter.

Very intellectually dishonest if I'm being honest.

[Anonymous No.10835480]

>>10834576
How is capitalism not materialism? It doesn't take into regard the well-being of the worker, or what the state of the environment is. The only thing capitalists worry about is the bottom dollar and how they can make more money by fleecing the weakest members of society. By turning them into nothing but mere numbers and stats they contribute to the mentality of wage-slaves. These people have no aspirations other than to work and so they can get the latest gadget or spend it on frivolities like alcohol, drugs or just general useless material goods (which in turn contributes more to the system).

[Anonymous No.10835497]

>>10834576
>capitalism
>not materialist
capitalism is materialist by definition mate

[Anonymous No.10835513]

>>10834576
Materialism means more profit for companies so why wouldn't a capitalist society shift towards materialism when the incentive is there to do so?

[Anonymous No.10836508]

>>10834222
>tfw you haven't read Evola but still need to show that you don't like him

[Anonymous No.10836604]

>this is true because some old ass books say so and also some ancient tribe believed it
how am i supposed to take his wild claims seriously with this kind of "proof"?

[Anonymous No.10836617]

>>10835480
>>10835497
>>10835513
Incorrect, capitalism is in fact gnostic

[Anonymous No.10836637]

>>10836604
Obviously because they still knew the real names of things and because they lived when the gods still walked the earth.

[Anonymous No.10837488]

>>10836637
again, proof?

[Anonymous No.10837567]

>>10834022
People on this board who shit on Evola are mostly leftists who spout out "le pol nadsees!" bogeyman whenever they feel their worldview is threatened.
I like Evola but I have to admit that his style is pretty esoteric. My favorite of his works is probably RtT, being his most accessible. MAtR is pretty good too. He kinda lost me in RAtMW when talking about the Hyperborean spirit of Rome and so forth.

[Anonymous No.10837573]

>>10834022
>Communist board

Evola is a bit cheesy, though.

[Anonymous No.10837669]

>>10836617
>pleausure is good
>property is important to your soul
>ignore hermeticism and gnosticism which have nothing to do with worldly affairs and encourage only aceticism and personal study of god’s wisdom
>work 120 hours a week at your professional occupation at some firm
>fuck and snort, drink and smoke even tho all of this is prohibited by gnostics and hermeticists
>ride the tiger do whatever
>even tho this is again prohibited by ancient sects especially vedanta, esoteric buddhism, hermeticism and gnosticism

[Anonymous No.10837697]

>>10834022
>aristocrats of the soul
*tips*

[Anonymous No.10837719]

>>10837488
I can only tell you esoterically. Meet me under The Sphinx in 3 years during the winter solstice.

[Anonymous No.10837735]

>>10836617
Capitalism is just practical kantianism.

[Anonymous No.10837743]

fucking massbaters everywhere

[Anonymous No.10837895]

>>10834022
http://www.sophiaperennis.com/frequently-asked-questions/
>Baron Julius Evola was an Italian Traditionalist, a close associate of Rene Guenon, and a writer of many brilliant books on various aspects of traditional culture, religion, and esoterism, only a few of which have been translated into English. He was a bit more “Nietzschian” than the other Traditionalists, however, and entertained certain “hopes” for Mussolini and Hitler, though he also criticized them, and was never a member of the Fascist Party. (These hopes were ultimately disappointed.) Though he worked and wrote on a much higher level than most “occultists,” his practice of what he termed “magic” and his lack of personal commitment to a single revealed religion are among the things that led Frithjof Schuon, and most of his followers, to largely reject him. He nonetheless retains a large following in Europe, and is one of the philosophical ancestors of the “intellectual Goths.”
Is NietzschEan an accurate descriptor of Evola?

[Anonymous No.10838108]

>>10836617
Someone who has read his Weber?

[Anonymous No.10838243]

>>10834022
Total resistance to change only exists in ideal conditions (i.e. it is impossible) and things will never be how they were ever again no matter how hard traditionalist reactionaries want it to.

[Anonymous No.10839521]

>>10834022
ride the tiger is pretty good

[Anonymous No.10839629]

Leftist here, who has actually read this - went into it with an open mind. Gotta say that you'd have to be pretty braindead, if not out-and-out evil, to consider the ideal society he sketches in the first part of the book to be something to work toward - the closest analogue to it today would be something like ISIS. Part II was better, just because I always find theories that view the march of history as a sort of negative progress to be interesting - it's a way of looking at things that Evola shares with Adorno, that famous bogeyman of the right...

[Anonymous No.10840692]

>>10837895
>Is NietzschEan an accurate descriptor of Evola?
he didn't follow Nietzsche, though he read him and "responded" or mentioned him in some of this books

he can be said to be more Nietzschean in the sense that Evola conceded some value to individual action, as in personal initiation or reaching for the higher values for yourself. Something like this is meaningless for Guenon, for whom the only way to attain initiation is to tie yourself to an unbroken chain of tradition that goes back to a moment of divine intervention, for Guenon god is a deus otiosus, he intervenes in the moment of creation (or at the beginning of one cycle, same thing), and then lets the the world manifest on its own, so you don't have access to god unless you tie yourself to a chain of tradition that links you to that initial divine intervention

for Evola you can personally have access to god or the spiritual realm or whatever you want to call it. Though he may have rethought this later as he became more pesimistic.

some extracts from doctrine of awakening:
>In the sphere of the Buddhist jhāna, both of these forms of ascesis are surpassed since the human condition in general tends to disappear. Only if the discipline of the Ariya were to stop at .sīla and samadhi could its achievements he likened to that of the most enlightened Stoicism. But Buddhism—like all initiations-has higher and freer realizations, and so, instead of the rock against which stormy waves uselessly break, the simile of air that one may try in vain to capture in a net or cut with a sword is far more appropriate. Imperturbability and calm fixedness (samatha) equivalent to the Stoical apatheia, along the path of awakening is, in fact, considered at a certain point as a bond from which one frees oneself in order to approach the domain of "nonexistence.' At the same time, the "sidereal" element here encourages such detachment as will induce Olympian quality in all higher states of consciousness and destroys in that detachment any residue of hybris, of pride or of will for power attached to the "person." To "life"—even at its summits— Buddhism opposes that which is "more than life." The term superman uttamapurisa-- -also figures in Buddhism as an epithet of the Ariya ascetics. But this ideal is here transfigured, it is carried effectively onto a supersensible plane in which the dark tragedy that is always hid-den in the "titan" and the "superman" is completely resolved. We shall see almost at once that in order to achieve such an ideal a special enlightened use of sentiments such as love and compassion is even employed: a technique that carries us far beyond the plane of the contradictions against which fought without hope, for example, the soul of Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky. We mentioned this in dealing with the two ways of overcoming fear (cf. p. 116).

[Anonymous No.10840698]

>>10839629
ISIS is just postmodern active nihilism

[Anonymous No.10840729]

>>10834022
>why does the schizophrenic rantings of a esoteric fascist get a bad rep on here?
I wonder...

[Anonymous No.10841023]

>>10839629
This is very similar to the impression I got from the book. A cyclical model of history in which degeneracy takes the crisis-function of capitalism is an interesting proposition. Adorno certainly does a good job of demonstrating capitalism's suzerainty over contemporary morality. Evola is a bit of a meme, though. Metaphysics of War was asinine, devoid of any insight beyond constant restatement of far-right maxims in an unengaging prose style with no philosophical depth. If you're on the far-right at least have the good taste to read and believe in Spengler and Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.10841043]

>>10837669
the path of excess leads to the palace of wisdom. detached, ironic hedonism is the only true way.

[Anonymous No.10841057]

>>10839629
>>10839629
>closest analogue to it today would be something like ISIS.
You obviously aren't particularly read on the rest of his biography, he's quite literally describing Tibet.

[Anonymous No.10841310]

>>10839629
>Braindead and evil to consider society as he wants it
Except he gives examples of his society and they were not braindead or evil...
India,Greece,Persia,HRE,Nordic countries,Inca, etc

[Anonymous No.10841339]

>>10841057
Traditional Tibet was a warrior theocracy like ISIS.

[Anonymous No.10841406]

>>10841339
ISIS is not a theocracy, it's a shitfest

[Anonymous No.10841438]

>>10834022
Because/lit/ is full of neoliberals that are afraid of any type of extremism

[Anonymous No.10841711]

>>10841406
So was Tibet, bunch of old virgins going to war over which demons can be worshipped.

Glad the Han are cleaning that place up.

[Anonymous No.10841749]

>>10839629
>Leftist
>open mind

[Anonymous No.10841758]

>>10834022

where can i get an epub for each of his works?

libgen only has one of the trilogy and about half of his essay collections

[Anonymous No.10841769]

>>10834576
wow.. and all those replies. what the fuck? are people this fucking dumb?

[Anonymous No.10841793]

>>10841406
same thing

[Anonymous No.10841805]

>>10841711
>So was Tibet, bunch of old virgins going to war over which demons can be worshipped.
there's literally nothing wrong with that

[Anonymous No.10841814]

>>10841805
>dude spooks are real lmao

[Anonymous No.10841821]

>>10841814
demons are just social constructs, it's ok

[Anonymous No.10841833]

>>10841749
>thinking that all leftists are SJWs or Marxists
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.10841840]

>>10841833
I live in NYC. Leftists don't have to be flaming SJWs or Marxists to be closed minded.

[Anonymous No.10841863]

>>10841840
I live in denmark and people here are much more chill about politics and shit - i go to the most SJW gymnasium there is here and i can criticize queer theory and the wage gab and shit and people are alright with it. We are quite different from Sweden you though...

[Anonymous No.10841866]

>>10841863
without you*

[Anonymous No.10841876]

>>10841833
what kind of leftist are you talking about then
SJWs (if radlibs can count as leftists) and Marxists or Marxist-influenced lefties is pretty much all there is

[Anonymous No.10841881]

>>10841863
>>i go to the most SJW gymnasium there is here and i can criticize queer theory and the wage gab and shit and people are alright with it. We are quite different from Sweden you though...
>quite different
>criticize queer theory in the gym

[Anonymous No.10841887]

>>10841876
i guess he means socially engineering neoliberals

[Anonymous No.10841897]

>>10841881
It's like he's never been to /fit/

[Anonymous No.10841916]

>>10841881
we have psychology and the new rules is that we have about gender too where queer theory is one of the views on gender, so we are not taught it as the one and only truth and we also had sauces for criticism of postmodernism - we learn very much to question the theories and debate them.

>>10841876
Social democracy which is quite far from Marx's communism if i may humbly say it myself.

[Anonymous No.10841938]

>>10841916
psychology is a meme science, only like 10% of the studies can actually be replicated, you'd be right more often if you just listened to your grandma's advice

[Anonymous No.10841945]

>>10841863
Well, I suggest you import more immigrants then, so you can understand what it's like when all of the comfy implicit bonds of shared history that hold your society together have to be replaced with made-up rules and dogma.

[Anonymous No.10841955]

>>10841945
>the comfy implicit bonds of shared history that hold your society together
anon confirmed for surpassing sociology in explanatory sophistication and concision

[Anonymous No.10841956]

If you want to learn more about Sweden vs. Denmark look at this debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ETiMA8OQw&t

[Anonymous No.10841962]

>>10841956
>debate about meme equality in a meme language
thanks but i'll pass, can you make a summary?

[Anonymous No.10841977]

>>10834199
This

[Anonymous No.10842005]

>>10841945
Anon, i'm saying that Sweden sucks. I think Denmark is cynical, taking what the bit the refugees have left like family rings and stuff and then afterwards throwing them out of the country (yeah Denmark does this shit). But Sweden is just acting stupid, they don't take care and make demands of their refugees and thus just throw them into nihilism and on top of that they take in too many to be able to make demands and actually integrate them. Denmark just don't take in very many refugees at all though...

[Anonymous No.10842013]

>>10841962
Sweden: muh vurtue signala!
Denmark: I don't give a flæskesteg!

[Anonymous No.10842025]

>>10842013
How many Swedes are aware of how retarded what they're doing is? Or are they like the people who fled Detroit but will mutter about 'the economy' if asked why

[Anonymous No.10842030]

>>10841938
>memes of the collective unconscious
sounds quite right actually

[Anonymous No.10842038]

>>10842025
I don't know about Detroit mæte i'm Danish

[Anonymous No.10842043]

>>10842038
lots of Danes here...

[Anonymous No.10842049]

>>10842038
you don't need to know about Detroit, I was asking about if Sweden is aware of what they're doing, or if they are firmly in the 'hand grenade attacks are part and parcel' territory

[Anonymous No.10842068]

>>10842049
Swedes are autistic hive animals, they don't know how to do things like normal people and they try to do everything at 110% like retards and everybody follows everybody else in a consensus fueled hivemind, like when they were doing eugenics like 80 years ago

when the pendulum turns and they switch in mass into hating people who come in it's going to be a scary, those guys are crazy

[Anonymous No.10842091]

>>10842068
we should never have lost Sweden - the Swedish people are ruining it...

[Anonymous No.10842095]

>>10842091
what about a new invasion? they are looking towards russia, they wouldn't expect it from the danes

[Anonymous No.10842105]

the people who make the danish infrastructure is trying to melt together Copenhagen and Malmo..

[Anonymous No.10842112]

>>10842068
I'm going to uncritically assimilate this information on Swedes into my worldview because it amuses me

[Anonymous No.10842124]

>>10842105
what's going on in Copenhagen? never heard a thing about that city, which may be a good thing in the current year

[Anonymous No.10842130]

>>10842005
>sweden
>make demands

I'm unironically a member of a communist party anon and even I'm sensible enough to see that Sweden is basically taking in a shitload of people who get given free shit, aren't integrated or policed effectively and commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

[Anonymous No.10842148]

>>10842130
>I'm unironically a member of a communist party

Fucking kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10842166]

>>10842124
Things are chill, we had some middle eastern gang violence (they shot after each other a couple of times in the streets) but their parents got together and talked, so it's alright now, it's also some moths ago, else than that stuff is normal.

>>10842130
Even a person who think that lenin wasn't that bad think that Sweden is fucked - this is how fucked Sweden is...

[Anonymous No.10843150]

How do i connect buddhism with traditionalism and perennial philosophy?
>>10834022

[Anonymous No.10843175]

>>10842166
Lenin would clean that shit right up desu.

[Anonymous No.10843334]

>>10843150

[Anonymous No.10843505]

>>10834022
brainlets who can't understand why monarchy is the suprior governmental system

[Anonymous No.10844071]

>>10843150

Read Guenon while ignoring what he writes about Buddhism (he eventually changed his mind), then read this >>10843334 and also the works by Marco Pallis and Coomaraswamy on Buddhism.

[Anonymous No.10844305]

>>10834022
the kindle book is still KIA same for camp of the saints

[Anonymous No.10845000]

>>10841916
(((social democracy)))

[Anonymous No.10845049]

>>10834022

they cant handle the green pill

[Anonymous No.10845066]

>>10839629
lol wut, is this a troll? fuck outt here - all you do is what every other leftist does: spout "m-muh everything I disagree with is evil and Hitler and isis abloobloobloo"

kys pos

[Anonymous No.10845070]

>>10841881
>gymnasium
you do know what it means, you fucking pleb? the state of this board.. my God!

[Anonymous No.10845075]

>>10845066

[Anonymous No.10845077]

>>10845075
*tips menorah*

[Anonymous No.10845129]

>>10845070
Maybe he is a German or Slav ESL, for them the word gymasisium means a secondary school level education focused, on genreal acedemia.

[Anonymous No.10847192]

>>10834022
Report against the modern world

[Anonymous No.10847498]

>Scroll through an Evola thread
>Somewhere along the line through the help of Danish autism Sweden Yes posting begins
Shoo shoo Sjaellander

[Anonymous No.10847717]

evola is EPIC

[Anonymous No.10848415]

>>10834038
kek

[Anonymous No.10848425]

>>10837669
>>10841043
You fucking people are on a backordered anonymous imageboard debating about how you're going to continue living your fickle lives while the world spins.
Have you thought about living for someone else?

[Anonymous No.10849092]

>>10834114
>I wonder if Germans (can) still read him
fixed.

[Anonymous No.10849136]

>>10834199
why?

[Anonymous No.10849185]

I don't want anything to do with him or Guenon because I think white Buddhists are the scum of the earth, with white Hindus being closely related.

[Anonymous No.10849344]

>>10849185
>Guenon
>white Buddhist
Maybe you should kys

[Anonymous No.10849364]

He is great erudite and his books about subjects like tantra are great, Mircea Eliade tier.
I dislike his more political mysticist OCs, they become too wacky.

[Anonymous No.10849368]

>>10843505
Most of the monarchists are fapping to Absolutism which was the biggest failure of monarchist project(but roots of the failure are even deeper)
Luis the Saint, not Roi Soleil, ok?

[Anonymous No.10849390]

>>10834038
kek

>>10834059
>bad rap
>>10834077
>>10834241
>>10841749
>>10849092
/pol/ you were never interested in leading a consensus-orientated, constructive debate, if you want to affirm your believes, please resort back to that cancerous containment area.

[Anonymous No.10849453]

>>10849368
at some point poisoning and murdering your shit-tier emperors and kings went out of fashion, if you have a well established aristocracy and you stab your shittier kings it's a pretty good system

[Anonymous No.10849500]

>>10849390
>I'll just say /pol/. That'll shut them up
Not everybody who disagrees with you is /pol/. Believe it or not, when Evola was alive /pol/ didn't even exist

[Anonymous No.10849510]

>>10849500
>Not everybody who disagrees with you is /pol/
I would never doubt that, but you can't dispute them having a cancerous effect on this board.

[Anonymous No.10849582]

>>10849510
I can. You should blame the modern society for birthing this wave of reactionary ideologues, not /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10849632]

>>10849453
Emperor mudering has nothing to do with meritocracy, its the fault of bad administrative and succession system.

Absolutism was the final nail to coffin of organic society, it was a wrong reaction to the growth of burgher class, a swan song of monarchism.

[Anonymous No.10849638]

>>10849582
Said like a true cuck. Even if man is raping your daughter because of his shitty upbringing and terrible enviroment that created him he is still a deranged criminal causing pain to your offspring.
We cannot easily change society it doesnt mean we should allow poltards behave like monkeys everywhere. Even if we understand alienation and destruction of education system are to blame for that.

[Anonymous No.10849684]

>>10849638
see >>10849390

>>10849582
>You should blame the modern society for birthing this wave of reactionary ideologues, not /pol/
You've got a point there. BUT pre 2011 I was scarcely bothered by these people on 4chan, since I avoided /new/ and other shit boards

[Anonymous No.10849703]

>>10849684
pre 2011 we lived in a post-ideological world mostly

[Anonymous No.10849715]

>>10841897
Gymnasium = Highschool in German

[Anonymous No.10849728]

>>10849715
sounds nasty forcing all the students to attend naked, but i guess that's europe

[Anonymous No.10849820]

>>10849703
Interesting post anon. Would you say that was a good thing or a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.10849821]

>>10849638
Yes equate people talking about topics inconvenient for you with rape. Spoken like a true retard

[Anonymous No.10849824]

>>10849703
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAGAHAGAGAGAHAGAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

[Anonymous No.10849829]

>>10849820
it was a lie and it was going to blow up on our faces sooner or later, too bad the counterculture had to revolve around frog memes on the internet but i guess that's what you get after 100 years of putting urinals in museums

[Anonymous No.10849944]

>>10849821
Metaphore isnt equation.
The point is that they are behaving like monkeys and are not here to discuss but to shill.
I couldnt care less if its education or generations of inbreeding that caused that, its already too late and they are shitting every place in the internet with their (((witty))) one liners and maymays.
Even if i emphatise with them in some ways, they are still annoying right here and right now.

[Anonymous No.10849952]

>>10849821
Its not the topics that are the problem but ways of adressing them.

[Anonymous No.10849953]

[Anonymous No.10849963]

because this board is visited by a bunch of beta lefty cucks

[Anonymous No.10849994]

Evola is annoying; not because he isn't smart but because he, like all traditionalists, deny progress, and they also deny how insanely shit life mostly is for a creature such as humans.

I mean, the same kind of thinking he espouses is the same kind of thinking that Knut Hamsun or any other reactionary espouses: Farm life was beautiful and noble, privileged hierarchies are good for absolutely no reason, and knowing your place is a virtue, even though your place is guaranteed to be shit.

Nevermind the fact that life for most human beings up until 1950 was a complete shit show where people literally had to wash their clothes upstream by hand and they died of blacklung at age 40.

[Anonymous No.10850032]

>>10849953
I know these things are meant to be jokes but this one is actually pretty damning

[Anonymous No.10850049]

>complete failure to understand eastern religious and philosophical principles
>~magic will save us~ uwu
Who cares about the Nazi stuff. The man was a fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.10850088]

>>10849994
nobody died at 40 ever except maybe at the shittiest parts of the industrial revolution

[Anonymous No.10850100]

>>10849344

Maybe you should read the entire post.

[Anonymous No.10850133]

>>10834080
He borrows the idea from guenon who borrowed it from Hinduism. Basically the idea is the world moves through ages leading from golden to iron or the Kali Yuga. In this period man is only interested in material things, old values decay and die and generally life is shit. The golden age returns at the end of the Kali Yuga.

I love Evola, but actually hate this idea. I think it’s just inverted progress. He is worth a read however and has become more influential of late.

[Anonymous No.10850137]

>>10834222
This is way, way wrong. Evola was targeted by the blackshirts in Italy and suppressed by the Nazis in Germany. He wrote visceral attacks on biological racism and would’ve detested the “muh IQ” ideas of the post 80s right.

His conception of race was something very different to this.

[Anonymous No.10850159]

>>10849994
But even Marx thought life was better for the average man pre industrial revolution, which is undeniable.

Quality of life for those who survived childhood in hunter gatherer societies was also quite high, there’s little evidence of them being grubby or stupid.

Progressivism seems to me to be a political tool to try and imply some kind of magic process forces things to happen. If you ask most progressives, they seem to believe “progress” only began in about 1750, when people began to believe in it. To me this is clear evidence it’s false.

What progress was there between the years 400 and 800 in Europe?

[Anonymous No.10850193]

>>10850159
>But even Marx thought life was better for the average man pre industrial revolution, which is undeniable.
>Quality of life for those who survived childhood in hunter gatherer societies was also quite high, there’s little evidence of them being grubby or stupid.

Well I think these claims are completely mythical, and designed to further some kind of ideology.

In Marx's case he wanted a modern version of some kind of imagined primitive communism, to which there is no shred of evidence ever having existed.

>If you ask most progressives, they seem to believe “progress” only began in about 1750, when people began to believe in it.

Well I don't believe that. Progress for me started with the Sumerians to the Ancient Greeks, all up till today. And the idea of progress itself is literally the best argument against reactionaries and their ilk, because their systems have already been tried, and they have failed numerous times, and haven't been shown to be superior in any way to the current dominant system in the world and the West.

Now, with that said, this also implies that in the future, liberal democracy might be obsolete as well, but that doesn't mean that it will look like some /pol/-tard fantasy land, nor some kind of pseudo-Hinduistic caste system re Evola.

[Anonymous No.10850278]

>>10850193
>to which there is no shred of evidence ever having existed
But hunter-gatherer societies did exist

[Anonymous No.10850326]

>>10850278
Yeah, but the idea that they didn't have property, or that they didn't have hierarchy and were perfectly egalitarian is a Marxist fantasy cooked up by people like Marija Gimbutas.

[Anonymous No.10850345]

>>10834077
Evola is basically third-position Sargon

[Anonymous No.10850383]

>>10850345
preeetty much

[Anonymous No.10850399]

>>10850345
LMAO

[Anonymous No.10850407]

>>10849944
What you're describing now is called shitposting. You're in the wrong for getting annoyed. If you want to engage in conversation then do it with people who actually want a debate and ignore shitposts like a sane human being instead of complaining like a faggot.

[Anonymous No.10850449]

>>10850407
>What you're describing now is called shitposting
No it isn't, those are genuinly their beliefs, they shove down your throat.
>You're in the wrong for getting annoyed
No he isn't. Appeasement never works, it turned every other board into /pol/-light, sometimes more, sometimes less.

[Anonymous No.10850470]

>>10850449
/pol/tards are just the atheists of 5-10 years ago, nothing changed, just the nihilist ideological flavor of the internet has to switch when the old one gets too retarded and uncool

[Anonymous No.10850505]

>>10850449
You can shitpost about your beliefs. 'One-liners and maymays' can only be described as shitposting. Your fault for giving attention.
Maybe you're so obsessed with /pol/ that it only seems like every board has been ruined. They've driven you insane. For someone who pays no attention there is no problem.

[Anonymous No.10850530]

>>10850470
>/pol/tards are just the atheists of 5-10 years ago, nothing changed
That's where you're dead wrong. Even those neckbearded atheists did not think they'd form some big movement or actually do something. Their aim was to be or at least appear individual. Those /pol/tads, al-rightists, what the fuck do I know people think of themselves as a big movement, that's why there's more to them as to atheists. Also they easily appeal to those 50+ bible/rust belt americans, which are now also flooding this site.

[Anonymous No.10850549]

>>10850470
pol is way more transgressive than atheism ever was dude, atheism has been fashionable in Europe for 200 years, pol is going directly against all strains of Leftism except maybe popular government

[Anonymous No.10850550]

>>10850530
So it's the exact same thing but with a different ideology
>form some big movement
That's because as you said atheists are individualists and less political. These alt-right types are collectivists and highly political. Both are meme-ideologies.
What you're seeing can be described as a reaction to the moral panic of todays mainstream culture, manifesting itself as memes and shitposting.

[Anonymous No.10850552]

>>10850530
well, that's obvious, the "le we believe in nothing" meme suffered a slow death from 2001 to 2008 and forward. doesn't mean the movement is not fueled using the same kind of nihilistic energy

[Anonymous No.10850557]

>>10850550
>So it's the exact same thing but with a different ideology
>atheists are individualists and less political
>These alt-right types are collectivists and highly political
Anon, what are you doing?

[Anonymous No.10850560]

>>10850552
>nihilistic energy
It's fueled by extreme ethnic hostility, it is nothing but white identity rearing its head in an era of fuck yt. Unlike atheism this won't go away because fuck yt remains a politically viable strategy

[Anonymous No.10850571]

>>10850557
Describing two ideologies one being political and one less so and more spiritual.

[Anonymous No.10850576]

>>10850560
white identity never existed, german identity, english identity and such existed

those guys had to go all the way down to their DNA because they have nothing else left in their nihilistic lives

[Anonymous No.10850579]

>>10850505
They feel its cultural war, ignoring wont stop the infestation because they are not doing it for attention. What they want is presence. Solution would be to ban all low effort posting

[Anonymous No.10850589]

>>10850579
>Solution would be to ban all low effort posting
you would get the same shitposting just with more words

[Anonymous No.10850604]

>>10850579
Yes, ignoring wont do anything. All you can do is wait for the next edgy countercultural ideology to pop up and spread its' cancer across the internet. Banning is a solution but it would make things very boring for you with nothing to whine about and make no difference for sane people who just pay no mind.

[Anonymous No.10850612]

>>10850576
White identity is very much a thing in the USA, but you're not really right about that anyway, European literature is littered with references to the 'white race' as opposed to the various colored ones, with explicit mentions of its unique(and in their eyes superior) characteristics. The individual peoples of Europe were understood to all belong to this larger grouping, if you have been taught that race was a recent invention used to justify slavery or something then you have simply been lied to.

[Anonymous No.10850620]

>>10850612
no movement ever rallied around it, not saying that nobody ever mentioned it

[Anonymous No.10850639]

>>10850552
This is actually a pretty smart post.
>>10850604
> All you can do is wait for the next edgy countercultural ideology to pop up and spread its' cancer across the internet.
I don't think it will develop the same momentum as this does, it just fits too well into this time, way better than atheism did.
Just take a look at the kind of people that use 4chan boards nowadays. Sure it's mainly /pol/, but you get the idea. Pic related

[Anonymous No.10851092]

>>10850326
>didn't have property, or that they didn't have hierarchy and were perfectly egalitarian
None of these are claims by Marx though. Property is a technical term, which doesn't mean the same thing as possessions. Hierarchy doesn't mean the same thing as class and he never claimed any form of society was or will be perfectly egalitarian, including communism. Classless does not mean completely equal society or no hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.10851274]

>>10849185

>tfw you shit on white people for being interested in the Aryan traditions of their distant ancestors instead of a Jewish-originated religion which has existed for much less time.

[Anonymous No.10851339]

>>10849136

Guenon was writing about all this stuff long before Evola. Evola adopted most of Guenon's ideas, whenever you see Evola write about 'Tradition' and 'Metaphysics' he is using them in the sense that Guenon laid out first and Guenon does a better job of explaining and contrasting those terms and similar ones.

With the sole exception of Buddhism (which he eventually came to appreciate) Guenon seems to have had a much better understanding of eastern traditions than Evola and Guenon's ideas cut right to the heart of eastern metaphysics without getting sidetracked on pointless asides involving race or political ideas. Evola also projects more of his personal views and his own philosophy into his writings and influences from western philosophy like German idealism while Guenon tries hard to simply explain what the Traditions teach without adding or changing anything.

Evola is an interesting thinker and his book on buddhism is particularly good. However, before reading him you want to first develop a good understanding of Eastern traditions and metaphysics, which can be gained by reading Guenon in conjunction with primary eastern texts. After that it's good to check out Evola to learn about his theories and how he applies the Traditional worldview to politics and other contingent matters.

Reading Guenon first gives you the basis to both understand Evola's writings as Evola understood them and also helps you separate the bullshit larpy speculation from the genuinely valuable ideas, which Evola did have.

[Anonymous No.10851353]

>>10845000
I actually wrote it like that at first (((anon)) but i chose not to for some reason... pewdiepie should review this meme

>>10845129
>>10849715
It's the same with denmark

>>10847498
fuckin (((jutlanders)))

>>10849728
Please don't criticize it before you've tried it.

>>10849829
Interesting post anon. Would you say that was a good thing or a bad thing?

>>10850133
Is this what Y. B. Yeats talks about too?

[Anonymous No.10851669]

Looking for a good pdf of The Doctrine of Awakening, the one on archive.org has font problem

[Anonymous No.10851677]

>>10851669
www.juliusevola.com/julius_evola/texts/The_Doctrine_of_Awakening.rtf

[Anonymous No.10851730]

>>10851677
Thanks

[Anonymous No.10851741]

Y'all need to read Hermetic Tradition. It explains some problems that I had with Guenon better, though it is dense. Such as the idea of the titanic fall and the difference between hero cult and the idea of sin. Also Guenon had his own problems separate from Evola, such as him not even believing that there was a such thing as an Indo-European race and religion, while nowadays it's known from 2016 that it's the mix of the Eastern Hunter Gatherers and Western Hunter Gatherers. Guenon also hated Homer and Hesiod, thought nothing of them.
If you've read Dante and Arthurian legends you may like Mystery of the Grail, the main problem for me going through that was all the references to stuff that I had not read. It's a reference heavy work, while Hermetic Tradition is a heavy worded work. But either one is necessary before reading his ''big trilogy'', more like a Pentalogy with it going like this.
Heathen Imperialism
Revolt Against the Modern World
Men Among the Ruins
Ride the Tiger
The Bow and the Club
Read either one of the works I recommended in the beginning then read these in this order.

[Anonymous No.10851782]

>>10851741
For the more Italian stuff you may want to read Marinetti and Mussolini as well as his books saying how Italian fascism was too left wing for him.
Other authors that would be considered to share his worldview in the Right would be more Spengler and Juenger, though Spengler was a historian and not a religious man they have the same views on being and becoming which later influence Heidegger

[Anonymous No.10852204]

>>10851741
>The Bow and the Club
I don't know how to read pastanigger. Can you please summarize the main points of the book?

[Anonymous No.10852275]

>>10852204
>The Bow and the Club
https://www.amazon.com/Bow-Club-Julius-Evola/dp/1912079097

[Anonymous No.10852669]

>>10851741

From what I understand Guenon didn't deny the existence of the indo-europeans but denied the 'invasion' theory which held that there was a large concerted migration in a short time that drastically changed the native Indian civilization (which we now know to be true because of genetic studies). In his works he mentions the Arctic origins of the early Vedas which necessarily involves the travel/migration of people from the far north to India.

[Anonymous No.10852840]

>>10852275
Well shit, it actually got translated. There was a Kickstarter translation project of 4 of Evola's books, with TBatC being one of them, which got flagged for (((reasons))). It looks like the translator managed to pull it off.

[Anonymous No.10852890]

>>10851274

WE WUZ BUDDHAS

[Anonymous No.10853539]

>>10845066
>
No troll, retard, have you read the book being discussed?

>War is necessary & helps reaffirm social structures, if it contains a spiritual/religious dimension - best example in recorded history is the first jihads after the founding of Islam
>Women should not be allowed any public role - the highest achievement for any woman can only be the support & elevation of her husband, women should have no role outside of domestic life

I know that these are typical /pol/ beliefs. Just own it, don't try to pretend that the state/social structure/whatever that has come closest to implementing these ideals in our lifetime is something other than ISIS.

[Anonymous No.10854643]

>>10852890
This is approximately what the type of original Buddhists looked like at that time in north India, where not a lot of racemixing happened

[Anonymous No.10854666]

>>10851353
>Is this what Y. B. Yeats talks about too?
can someone help me with this question please?

[Anonymous No.10854672]

I started reading Evola just for fun, i am now a Jivanmukta meditating on teh nature of Brahman every single day. I do not recommend it, stay bluepilled instead.

[Anonymous No.10854817]

>>10854672
Even more reason to take the tiger pill

[Anonymous No.10854862]

>>10854817
Read TIGER by Evola

[Anonymous No.10855191]

>>10854862

[Anonymous No.10855278]

>>10849390
Thanks for revealing your feminine, social-shaming/exclusion based tactics as an excuse for a counter-argument.

[Anonymous No.10855435]

The difference between that of the Religious Saint and that of the Royal Hero can be seen in the difference between Jason and Herakles. Jason gets killed by an aspect of the Holy tree from which his boat was made because his ambitions were too high for his strength. In the heroic viewpoint he has just failed, he did not reach apotheosis but can still be considered a hero. In the religious viewpoint he has SINNED in a similar fashion to Adam. In Herakles tale his strength is equal to his ambition and he achieves apotheosis and godhood, even though he is still human. The reason for Jasons failure was his rejection of his humanity leading him to the Titanic fall. Herakles works in hand with his.
~Julius Evola, more or less.

[Anonymous No.10855921]

>>10834059
/lit/ is a board of pseudo-intellectuals who hang on Goodreads and get their reading tips from YouTube e-celebs. Kinda like /pol/ on the other spectrum. I'm yet to se anything authentic on either board regarding politics or litterature. There are so many meme posts filled with bullshit I'm beginning to think each and everyone one of them are created by some Googlebot for datamining.
>>10850345
>third position
>muh economic dichotomy
Evola shits on the left because it is firmly against tradition and culture, not mainly because it takes control over the economy.

[Anonymous No.10856083]

>>10851741
Can you give me a review of Hermetic Tradition? What exactly is the Hermetic Tradition?

[Anonymous No.10856279]

>What exactly is the Hermetic Tradition?
You have so much to learn - start with reading Hermes Trismegistus

[Anonymous No.10856287]

>>10856279
I'll take that as your admittance that you, in fact, know nothing about what you purport to

[Anonymous No.10856357]

>>10856287
I only know that's the start and i know about children traditions and want personally to dig more into it
but i don't know much
so yes

[Anonymous No.10856384]

>>10856357
I got a funny combination of speaking in way that sometimes sounds quite arrogant and at the same time not clinging very much to my ego hmm.. but i'm sorry if it sounds like i purport to know more than i do - i'm just trying to share the little knowledge i have.

[Anonymous No.10856429]

>>10856357
>>10856384
I was interested in your response to contrast with my reading of it. This stuff is really abstruse and its important to touch base with others on it in my experience. I don't think Evola acknowledges a difference between a type of imperial mysticism and the regal art itself. This stuff seems to be multidimensional however. I think the Hermetic Tradition came from the Neoplatonic legacy, but I also think the latter was inseparable from Egyptian theology and the pharaonic state

[Anonymous No.10856959]

>>10856083
>>10856279
In the book Hermetic Tradition it is said in the Opening that Evola is not talking about the Hermetic tradition of Trismegistus nor of the Greek cult of Hermes but specifically about the Alchemical Hermetisists

[Anonymous No.10856991]

How did those traditionalists live their daily lives?Anyhting special?

[Anonymous No.10857155]

>>10856991
Evolafags who don't read him sit inside all day and criticize it, while people who read the book just do life but cut the fat from it. Have fun in Traditional ways, such as working out, light drinking with friends(Meditations on the peak shows drinking isn't bad), interacting with other humans. Do stuff that makes you grow as a man, rather than not acting at all.

[Anonymous No.10857196]

>>10834576
Nigga u gay lol

[Anonymous No.10857330]

>>10856959
But isn't the alchemical sciences based on Greek and roman concepts like prima materia, as above so below to the honor of the one which leads to monist ideas... i don't know much about alchemy but every time i research about it these ideas come up.

Another question, is there a connection between taoist alchemy and western alchemy? the philosophers stone appear in both but is this just a coincidence? was it brought with Buddhism through nalanda to the west at the time of Alexander the great?

[Anonymous No.10857451]

>>10857330
There is a connection, but saying it is from Alexanders connection of east and west both is not known and does not matter. After all, it could also be traced back to the Hindus. Or maybe it can be a separate tradition that became what it is when it got contact with Hindus and Buddhists.
All that matters now is the Royal spirit of the tradition, of the way. Don't take in sacerdotal manifestations

[Anonymous No.10857921]

>>10857451
Nalanda is very central to all mahayana and they studied alchemy there mainly imported from taoism (nagarjuna fx. studied alchemy) so i think wherever mahayana traveled it would properly bring alchemy with it if it stayed long enough.

[Anonymous No.10859016]