/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10826176]

>preface
>forward
>prelude
>prologue
>chapter 1 starts

[Anonymous No.10826196]

The publishing industry has to do something, anon.

[Anonymous No.10826207]

>>10826176
>Introduction
>Translator's Preface
>A Note To The Second Edition

[Anonymous No.10826209]

>>10826176
*emerges from the shadows and begins to slow clap* Very good, very impressive, however...

>dedication
>forward
>preface to the 5th edition
>preface to the 4th edition
>preface to the 3rd edition
>preface to the 2nd edition
>1st preface
>3 pages of historical quotes
>introduction
>another page of historical quotes
>chapter 1

[Anonymous No.10826216]

>>10826176

One achieves adulthood when one stops reading anything in a book not written by the author.

Contempt for academia is the beginning of wisdom.

[Anonymous No.10826221]

>introduction by Gayatri Spivak

[Anonymous No.10826236]

>>10826207
god I hate shit like this

[Anonymous No.10826246]

>>10826216
lol

[Anonymous No.10826249]

>>10826221
Bless you.
Posts like this is why I always come back.

[Anonymous No.10826276]

>Introduction by Murakami Haruki

[Anonymous No.10826302]

>Preface by some guy that isn't the author
>It's a whole plot summary with shitty comments
>They spoil the final twist

[Anonymous No.10826339]

>>10826302
>Reading for the plot
>Reading for enjoyment
Lol.

[Anonymous No.10826353]

>>10826339
>reading
lol

[Anonymous No.10826383]

>>10826209
>mfw reading about this on wiki right now
wow, Polaks truly are madmen. sometimes.

[Anonymous No.10826450]

>>10826209
You forgot

>Acknowledgements
>A Note on the Text
>Translator's Note
>Further Reading
>[Some short work by the author]
>Afterword
>List of Names
>Glossary

[Anonymous No.10826457]

>>10826216
Blind contempt for academia is pseud as shit. I guarantee you that 99% of people who see it as monolithic never had any form of tertiary education. People shouldn't follow intellectuals without question, of course, but that mentality should be used to produce measured critiques of specific claims, instead of Alex Jones tier "alternative" faggots smugly shitting on concepts they barely gloss over from secondhand sources without no real attention to existing criticisms or debate.

[Anonymous No.10826463]

>>10826176
the intelligentsia need to be thinned, if you haven’t published something worth a damn by 35 and you hold an academic post you should be left in wolf country naked and wounded at dusk

[Anonymous No.10826470]

>>10826457
Are you saying Alex Jones isn't an intellectual?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyPOA30

[Anonymous No.10826515]

>>10826470

I want Jones to write a sci fi book, it'd be great

[Anonymous No.10826658]

>>10826457

[Anonymous No.10827124]

I like good introductions desu, depends on what i'm reading as to whether i read the intro before or after the main text though

[Anonymous No.10827149]

>>10826457
sorry, dude :(

didn't mean to offend you lmao

[Anonymous No.10827193]

>>10826457
No, I’ve got a masters and I can say with certainty that academia if fucked through and through. Even if there is not some conspiracy to keep certain truths from the public (it’s either this or sheer stupidity), the way that information technology has changed in the last twenty years has really made the value of most professors obsolete and the ‘knowledge’ that they hold and use to produce ‘new’ material faulty, while they have been tenured, keeping younger and more qualified applicants from joining and restoring academia to allow it to fulfill its proper role in society.

[Anonymous No.10828797]

>>10826176
>I want to preface this by

[Anonymous No.10828806]

Never read a single preface, forward, or afterward. Gratuitous bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10828820]

>tfw afterward is actually a perfect introduction
>tfw would have enjoyed the book a lot better if you read it first

[Anonymous No.10828821]

"To my wife, who kept up with me while writing this haha :) lol thanks babe "

[Anonymous No.10829216]

>>10826176
I see you and raise you Men among the ruins by Evola

It's only 298 pages long and the first hundred are prefaces, forwords and intrudctions

[Anonymous No.10829224]

>book starts with an interview with the author

[Anonymous No.10829291]

>>10829216
This is not real, is it ?

[Anonymous No.10829305]

>>10829216
>>10829291
Come now, it obviously depends on what you're reading.

If you're reading non-fiction, the introduction/preface/preliminary remarks are very important. Almost necessary to understand the impact.

All these people complaining about intros are fictionfags, guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.10829307]

>>10829291
It is very much real my friend

[Anonymous No.10829461]

>>10826353
>lol
lol

[Anonymous No.10829479]

>>10826209
>being anti-aristotelian
>"Science and Sanity"
>"Manhood of Humanity"

Oh boy.

[Anonymous No.10829965]

>>10827149
>I posture as being less interested in this argument than you, therefore I'm cooler and I win
Calling you retarded doesn't make me offended. Without exception, people with opinions similar to yours are just butthurt that most academics don't agree with their homoeopathy/creationism/jewish conspiracy bullshit

>>10827193
Being one person with a master's in one field (which is honestly almost impossible to verify here and seems like a meaningless appeal to authority anyway) does not make your opinion on the whole of "academia" worldwide generalizable.
>technology makes professors redundant
Internet autodidacts are almost entirely pretentious loons that hate being questuoned. Look at Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky. He's an autistic faggot that takes his personality cult and extremely speculative sci fi philosophy way too far. Unsurprisingly most of 4chan seems to consider themselves trailblazing geniuses because they watch YouTube videos and populate fringe ideological echo chambers.

[Anonymous No.10829984]

>Skip to chapter 1
Try and stop me

[Anonymous No.10829985]

>>10826176
>Skipping the introduction

[Anonymous No.10829993]

>>10829965
most work in academia that is not strictly STEM is useless, most fields like the social sciences including Law and Econ are useless. Most Humanities is useless, none of the academics have produced anything of value, they lie systematically and insert false ideologies into required coursework, they exhort those who shouldn't be in higher education to metriculate for their own good. STEM is filled with nonsense research, bad methodologies and useless tech that means nothing. The entire affair is further perverted by the academics cooperating with private capital and government institutes for financial and ideological reasons.
>homeopathy
this is just shadow boxing, you're obviously upset that the people who resist pharmakos and techne are not in academia
>creationism
laughable to even mention
>jewish conspiracy
what about legitimate conspiracy?

Again, if you haven't written anything groundbreaking and you collect tax payer money, you produce no valuable studies and your field is a dead end or your research is pointless, you should be arrested and excommunicated from society for fraud and corrupting the youth. Little sniveling pencil neck bourgeoisie parasite

[Anonymous No.10830003]

>>10826457
Truth. How is this even debatable?

[Anonymous No.10830017]

>>10827193
>(X) has made (People who study, evolve, and create X) obsolete!
Stop larping please.

[Anonymous No.10830024]

>>10829993
What about political science

[Anonymous No.10830026]

>>10829993
>muh utility
kill thyself

[Anonymous No.10830048]

>>10826176
When it's a book that you love, this is actually the comfiest feeling.

t. I read every introduction to Moby-Dick that I come across.

[Anonymous No.10830071]

>>10830026
>muh idealism is worth a portion of everyone else's utility

[Anonymous No.10830080]

>>10826176
I never read the introductions since they usually contain spoilers or shit like that.

[Anonymous No.10830089]

>>10830071
You're not just pretending to be retarded, are you?

[Anonymous No.10830093]

>>10826176
i see you've been reading a lot of penguin classics

[Anonymous No.10830095]

>>10829993
>law is useless
You fucking retard, professional fields are literally pre-job training.

[Anonymous No.10830097]

>>10830003
Academics do very little more than just give their opinion on things.

Why should I care about their opinion?

The only useful work done in universities is research.

[Anonymous No.10830107]

>>10829993
You're wrong. And dumb. And someone already said something to that effect so no need to insult me by saying I'm just throwing out needless Ad Hominems

[Anonymous No.10830124]

>>10826457
>smearing alexander the great

[Anonymous No.10830144]

>>10826176
>vague quotes from writers more talented and respected than the author

[Anonymous No.10830378]

>>10829993
>most work in academia that is not strictly STEM is useless, most fields like the social sciences including Law and Econ are useless.
I smell a praxy ancap faggot that's afraid of math being applied to human behavior and doesn't like law because of juvenile rebelliousness.

>Most Humanities is useless, none of the academics have produced anything of value, they lie systematically and insert false ideologies into required coursework
Why? Because you say so? Because most of them disagree with your preconceived far-right anti intellectual populist bullshit? Yes, I know you fags hate being called anti intellectual, but it's what you are. You're just bleating "FALSE IDEOLOGY MUH COLLEGE DOGMA". This is redneck tier shit.

>STEM is filled with nonsense research, bad methodologies and useless tech that means nothing.
Lol, STEM keeps 90% of modern society running. What have you discovered, faggot?

>this is just shadow boxing, you're obviously upset that the people who resist pharmakos and techne
Giving your money to new age shills and quacks isn't resisting anything. It's just being fucking retarded and trying to discredit the entire notion of education and evidence so you can justify anything.

>what about legitimate conspiracy?
Cartoonist antisemitic canards based on shoddy jpegs that no stormfag fact checks are not evidence of anything. It's always some big conspiracy to the far right. That way they don't have to discredit anything. A Jew could say the fucking sky is blue and you fags would craft a paranoid narrative around it.

>Again, if you haven't written anything groundbreaking and you collect tax payer money, you produce no valuable studies and your field is a dead end or your research is pointless
Nobody knows what research that might seem pointless at the time could be useful later. Even then, brainlets like you consider ANYTHING beyond your accessibility useless. It's like the shitty kid in middle school whining about algebra. Stop elevating mass ignorance to a virtue.

[Anonymous No.10830406]

>>10830378
How mad is this faggot professor lads?

[Anonymous No.10830671]

I used to always skip the introduction, but that ended up completely backfiring when I read Lolita

[Anonymous No.10830681]

>>10829216
what edition is this?

[Anonymous No.10830691]

>>10829993
Brutal truths. You know that by the triggered academicucks responding to it.

[Anonymous No.10830696]

[Anonymous No.10831376]

>>10830378
Sou your argument is basically "anyone who disagrees with me is a redneck conspiratard"? I don't think all that money spent on degrees was worth it anon. Well, at least you can use cool buzzwords like far-right and redneck.

[Anonymous No.10831972]

>>10826176
>L'envoi

[Anonymous No.10832070]

>>10830378
>anti-intellectual populism
Did you vote for Trump? If you are not American do you support his ideas?

[Anonymous No.10832135]

>>10827193
>I’ve got a masters
Retard

[Anonymous No.10832142]

>>10829461
>>lol
>lol
lol

[Anonymous No.10832178]

>>10830406
I really like this Ubu.

[Anonymous No.10832189]

>>10830696

You are like a little baby. Hold my beer and watch this

[Anonymous No.10832201]

You faggots haven't seen anything.
This is a random Italian edition of Parmenides that I randomly picked up for €10.00
It reads as follow:

7 Acknowledgements
9 The enigma of Parmenides by Franco Ferrari
162 Chronology of Plato
165 Quotes and academic remarks
175 Bibliography
189 Note to the text

191 Parmenides

The entire book has 365 pages meaning that the Parmenides itself is 174 pages, however it also contains the greek text.
Thus there are actually just 87 pages of Plato in contrast with 191 pages of introduction.
Did I also mention that each page of the text is heavily annotated?

[Anonymous No.10832220]

>>10830378
professor goldstein has now posted on /lit/

[Anonymous No.10833488]

>>10829984
>>10829985
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT

[Anonymous No.10833607]

>>10830080
How would you know if you haven't read them?

[Anonymous No.10833612]

>>10832189
fucking why

[Anonymous No.10833623]

>>10832201
Fragments of Parmenides are like 4 pages of text.

[Anonymous No.10834640]

>>10833612

Thank goodness! I actually got my volume off the shelf and typed it up in Notepad and pasted it into Paint and posted it here. I was concerned for several hours that I would not even get a single (You) for my trouble! But your one (You), friend, that makes it all worthwhile.

To actually answer your question though, it's a major and historically important work of (((non-fictional))) theory so it makes some sense that the printers would go whole-hog on historical context.

[Anonymous No.10834772]

>>10830048
>now with Gloria Rubelstern's commentary on sexuality, femininity, and the intersection of race, class, and space in Mobias Dick.