/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10818137]

Are there any good books on contemporary depression?

I believe the depression so widespread among young white people in the West today is largely a consequence of their being raised to believe they had the freedom to escape traditional means of staying alive (e.g. toiling in unrewarding manual labour jobs etc) and were encouraged to "follow their dreams", "just go for it", "take a chance" and so on.

The ones telling them to do this were advertisers and those in the media appealing to young peoples' natural quixotic and intense ambitions, and also an older generation who had it relatively easily (house prices, job availability, etc) and tried to recklessly experience certain things vicariously through their children.

The result is a generation of young white people between the ages of maybe 22 and 35 whose perspectives are fucked because their standards were set too high at too young an age, who are relatively unskilled, who often wasted money in academia because it was the done thing, often without a father figure to ask for advice due to divorce, literally discriminated against by equality measures in HR, and completely jaded by the life of solitary pleasure seeking marketed to them throughout their youth.

Of course no social trend is unique to one historical period, but I really do feel like many young white people are struggling today like they never have before, psychologically speaking.

[Anonymous No.10818140]

>>10818137
you're an idiot

[Anonymous No.10818177]

>>10818137
I can tell you believe this with the same drooling, ardent faith of someone who has never met or spoken to someone with clinical depression and chooses to believe in wild, made up republican fantasies because it's easier than believing that your mediocrity is your own fault. Now you're looking for some books to tell you you're right. You'll find them, but it's just more bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10818188]

So if i Retire in a fucking amish community and fuck the unshaved pussy of some redneck chick i'll get over my depression thanks op off yourself

[Anonymous No.10818198]

>>10818137

Read The Noonday Demon and realize that young white people in the west aren't the only people who suffer from depression.

[Anonymous No.10818369]

>>10818137
I agree with you OP. There's a book by an Italian guy, Teoria della classe disagiata, which talks about something similiar. Basically it talks about how young "literary" middle class types get fascinated by Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Marx, Freud and in general by the whole humanistic culture that is so often exaltated in Italian society. They're hopelessly fascinated by the message of those authors which shatters their banal worldview which they inherited from their middle class parents, so they dream of a future in which they live of philosophical and literary culture (how? They don't know, but they believe to be special and above their peers and that they will make it somehow) but once they get out of university they have their hopes crushed by the real world because they don't have the financial means to sustain themselves. The book has a lot of of flaws, mainly the fact that the author tends to namedrop a lot, but it is good. I don't believe it's translated though.

[Anonymous No.10818392]

>>10818369
Thanks for the rec. Does he have anything translated?

[Anonymous No.10818393]

>>10818188

Don't knock it till you try it my man.

[Anonymous No.10818399]

>>10818392
>>10818369
Wait, I didn't finish your post. Shame there's nothing in English.

[Anonymous No.10818604]

>>10818137
>The result is a generation of young white people between the ages of maybe 22 and 35 whose perspectives are fucked because their standards were set too high at too young an age, who are relatively unskilled, who often wasted money in academia because it was the done thing, often without a father figure to ask for advice due to divorce, literally discriminated against by equality measures in HR, and completely jaded by the life of solitary pleasure seeking marketed to them throughout their youth.

It's not as widespread as you think. I live in California and you would be surprised by the anti-equality sentiments some people and business have here.

[Anonymous No.10818856]

I watched that new film about him last night. A true masterpiece. RIP you crazy bastard

[Anonymous No.10818886]

>>10818856
Which new film?

And factual films are retarded and you're an idiot for having an opinion of someone based on some condensed, dramatic, entertaining version of their life.

I'm reading the 1,000 page biography of his right now and the more I read the less I like the guy. Sure he was insane or whatever, but he didn't appreciate how much his brother helped him. Also, the Van Gogh name was already famous in the Dutch art world, so the idea of him as an outsider artist is very false. Whenever he needed to crash somewhere he had a rich uncle who was a famous-ish painter who let him stay and use his studio etc. It's quite dissapointing to read about it.

I thought he aspires to be an overlooked and underappreciated painter and gave it his all in poverty, but the real story is different.

[Anonymous No.10818936]

>>10818177
muh CLINICAL MEDICAL DEPRESSION, my brain chemistry is jus t fo cuked up need to take the ess ess r i to get MY BRAIN CHEMISTRY back on straight

[Anonymous No.10819011]

I agree it is largely to do with the destruction of the family and marriage and also the atomization of the person. Further exaggerated by modern politics and the modern social climate.
My family were poor and happy a generation ago and two generations ago. We are now sad and more well off, in the city too, working office jobs

[Anonymous No.10819022]

>>10818936
wow. I'm so overwhelmed by your thoughtful, well put together post, I'm going to go rethink my whole life. thanks, anon, for curing me.

[Anonymous No.10820157]

>>10819022
Keep upping your Prozac dosage

[Anonymous No.10820273]

>>10818886
goof for u bud

[Anonymous No.10820285]

Read some Mark Fisher

[Anonymous No.10820315]

>>10820157
Keep being a sullen bitch on 4chan who gets confused by science

[Anonymous No.10820332]

>>10818137
>>10818198

Seconded. Noonday Demon best book on depression by a clear mile.

[Anonymous No.10820369]

>>10818137
I've thought about this topic a lot. The root of the problem is the banking industry and its use of algorithms that are designed to impoverish the middle class down.
We are being robbed by creatures who pretend that manipulating people out of their produce is somehow worthy of anything but a bullet.
I want to be very clear on this. A total war is coming.

[Anonymous No.10820407]

Read "The Foundation for Exploration".

[Anonymous No.10820599]

>>10820315
>>10819022
you can be as snarky as you want. First of all it's painfully obvious that brain chemistry is the result of thought, not the other way around. Secondly, anyone who takes SSRI's is fucking themselves up for life. Almost any other drug legal or illegal is better for you. I've seen it fuck up friends and it makes me glad I tried amphetamine recreationally instead of going to some braindead MD. Don't stop taking it though if you're on it, since you might up snapping and pulling an Elliot Rodget.

[Anonymous No.10820611]

>>10820599
>First of all it's painfully obvious that brain chemistry is the result of thought, not the other way around.
i go basically insane every spring and I have no control over it at all. It's like being on 4 different drugs at once, from the moment I wake until I sleep(which is like 4 hours per night). This lasts for about 2 months.

You're going to tell me that that's due to my thought patterns?

[Anonymous No.10820635]

>>10818137
infinite jest lol

[Anonymous No.10820638]

I just wanna took a nice looking lady then this will all go away and I will be human again

[Anonymous No.10820645]

>>10820611
It's actually because of the systematic white genocide

[Anonymous No.10820646]

"You can be anything you want to be" is a boldfaced lie sold to millennials by boomers who knew that it was bullshit so as to keep millennials at home forever to take care of the boomers when they were old and decrepit so they wouldn't have to be put in a home like they did with their parents.

Fuck boomers.

[Anonymous No.10820666]

>>10818137
I don't think you realize how much this just sounds like "don't horn in on my action." You're living on easymode, whatever your psychic well-being.

Aside from >>10820332, there's "An Unquiet Mind."

[Anonymous No.10820678]

Houellebeqc

[Anonymous No.10820710]

>>10820638
keep telling yourself that

[Anonymous No.10820723]

>>10818886
why dont you read the letters of Van Gogh and brother instead of a 1000 page biography?

/lit/ dissapointed me in every chance.

[Anonymous No.10820762]

>>10818137
Unironically The Pale King by DFW. His life fared much like what you are describing, despite having wild success with IJ. He also has a couple of good short stories outlining this whole modern “pursuit of happiness” delusion — “Good Old Neon” comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.10820951]

>>10818137
I don't know if I necessarily agree with all that; I think there are a lot of factors that contribute to depression. But I think it's crazy how some people continue to insist that depression is completely caused by chemical imbalances and that the lifestyle of people in the western world has no effect on their mental health. I'm not saying that there aren't people with severe clinical depression that probably IS caused by just having the wrong brain wiring or something, but how can you seriously think that the recent wave of (seemingly) every second person under the age of 30 being depressed is caused by "chemical imbalances"? Like I said, I think most cases of depression in the west are caused by dozens of factors, like poor diet, very little physical activity, a lack of a real cohesive worldview or value system, as well as having unrealistic expectations about what adult life should be like. Also, it's not like having depression or not having it is just a binary thing. It's probably a spectrum from none at all to severe depression and I think a lot of these factors are pushing people further up on the scale. I think SSRIs are already overperscribed and don't address the root of the issue in >90% of cases. Not sure what the solution is, if there is any at all, but I think the idea that depression is just hard wired and has nothing to do with external factors is incorrect and really harmful. Sorry about the blog post, just wanted to share my thoughts on this.

[Anonymous No.10820998]

Why is everyone raging at OP? He might not be right about everything but I think it is true our standards as millenials are sky high. I remember being in elementary school and they would always tell us "go to college" You'll make big money if you just go to college. We all got suckered into this scheme through conditioning from youth. Reality is you might make big money but still nothing compared to the fortunate ones out there or the ones who are doing things like playing video games and making millions. And many will not make it anywhere with their degree. So I can see why many would become depressed about this, its like a shattered dream and then you see all these other young people making music, being hot and popular on instagram, playing video games, etc. and in comparison their lives are pretty much boring and frustrating. It's like being financially cucked.

[Anonymous No.10821593]

>>10818188
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.10821599]

>>10818137
One of those good old thread where OP doesn't understand what they're talking about.

For someone who was apparently indoctrinated into this sense of dreaming, you are actually made cynical by the propoganda you are too limited to notice.

[Anonymous No.10821627]

How to travel light: My memories of madness and melancholia by Shreevatsa Nevatia

Em and the Big Hoom by Jerry Pinto

[Anonymous No.10821636]

Depression is not a new thing. I am of the X generation and our suicide rate is very high. I have heard that suicide rates among millennia's are also rising. You can blame it on anything you like but blaming your parents or society is not going to solve it. The only thing to do is to learn to suffer. And not to flee from your anxiety. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.10821718]

>>10820762
I agree.

The unfortunate thing for me is that I didn't really take the message of TPK to heart despite, hold on a minute - sorry I have a poor tummy, despite really enjoying the book and reading it around the age of 21 / 22. I work a full-time job now and I've often thought of quitting but that book is one of the reason I haven't. It's a very neat book about valuing the people in society who aren't out there looking for attention.

Here's a good recent article on the issue desu:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/05/gratitude-for-invisible-systems/526344/

[Anonymous No.10821725]

>>10820998
The worst thing about the college meme is that it:

A) It was often a case of "study anything, just go to college" as if it was the gateway to paradise

B) The only alternative offered, in my case at least, was the life of a tradesman which nobody respected any more and where you'd be competing against Vlad the Chad for jobs.

Also, with more women than ever attending college many men feel pressured to attend simply to stay in the game in terms of dating.

[Anonymous No.10821734]

>>10820369
Where you getting this "algorithm" stuff from? I recall hearing something about banks having an avenue to create money from borrowing, which would inherently give them an advantage

[Anonymous No.10821765]

>>10820611
Maybe you do have an organic illness but most ppl on ssris imo don't. Nb. ~10% of Americans are (last 12mo)

[Anonymous No.10821795]

>>10818137
Your attention is no longer your own
companies
with an extreme expertise in capturing your attention
by any means necessary
controls your attention
and don't really care about the decision you make
other than buying their shit

like the military: they good a good advertising and marketing department. running threads on all the online forums talking about how awesome it is to join.
yet when they are done with you they give you a gi Bill and send you on your way.
They don't give a fuck about what happens after you get out, or are done with your tour of duty.


Depression comes from "self-realization". Not nessicarily a truthful one. But truthful to you.
These realizations" are hard to cope with, so the individual has to numb themself against the rest of the world, and wait till they can find an effective coping strategy.
After so long they may loose hope and kill themselves.


put these two things together:
your attention being controlled by other "magicians" and depression being an attention toward self.

The "magicans" controlling your attention basically amounts to giving you ADHD

Then you realize true horror and PTSD when you can get a breather and look at yourself.

Of course the magicians already know that you focus on yourself, so market all sorts of solutions to you to buy.
and bombard you with the messages.
And tell society that you need help and treatment and effectively stigmatize you if you aren't on medications or have a diagnosis but are acting "not normal".
You are constantly trying to give yourself some attention while the magicians want you to look away while they pick your pocket.
Can be very stressful, and often many people don't find a solution until they gain "an extreme, detached awareness"
that coincidentally might appear to be depression to some people.

[Anonymous No.10821882]

Feeling depressed is a pretty natural reaction to life on planet Earth. All in all it's pretty shit.

[Anonymous No.10821950]

>>10820951
I agree completey
t. ex “”””depressed””””

[Anonymous No.10821960]

>>10821636
If you mantain the right mentality through your teens (being resilient) it goes away.. carry on kids

[Anonymous No.10822119]

"White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2016. The rate of suicide is highest in middle age — white men in particular."
https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

[Anonymous No.10822134]

Why are Americans incapable of blaming society or the system? If someone shoots up a school or is depressed, it's apparently their own fault and a 100% isolated incident not related to the environment in any way. Instead they should have "Learnt to deal with life :)" or "Pulled themselves up by the bootstraps :)"

[Anonymous No.10822231]

>>10818188
I would kill for this life

[Anonymous No.10822393]

>>10822134
I don't think this type of thinking is exclusive to americlaps. People in general have an insanely 'optimistic' outlook on life to the point where everything is blamed on the individual to the exclusion of everything else. There's no room for genetics, upbringing, life events, societal context etc.
Everything is always your fault and any claim to the contrary is brushed off as being defeatist. 'Just win the lottery, bro. You're not going to win? How could you know without even trying? See, this is your problem, you don't even try!'

[Anonymous No.10822437]

Also religious freedom, while it had the positive effect of controlling the (a lot of times) abusive church power, it has also had the tremendous impact of now, every individual, has to find a spriritual system of its own, which puts a lot of anxiety and pressure over oneself.

[Anonymous No.10822485]

>>10822393
The alternative to that optimistic thinking is pretty depressing and can be life shattering though so I see why people want to believe the optimistic "everything I do is because of my skill" version.

[Anonymous No.10822527]

>>10822393
I agree. I'm still optimistic and think we can improve our situations somehow. Not self-improvement, that word yet again blames the victim in classic americlap fashion. But a lot is cause and effect, and we're part of a society and a network, and can influence our situation somewhat through our environment.

In our culture it seems the unemployed, losers, depressed people et cetera are all ashamed and guilty because of their sitution, because "Everything is always your fault" as you say and you need to "take responsibility". I don't think it's helpful.

[Anonymous No.10822559]

>>10818137
>young white people in the West
boohoo won't someone think of the white people? ;((((

[Anonymous No.10822632]

>>10822134
It's exactly the opposite. Americans think that every issue is political and can be solved by the state. Like how everybody was screaming about "gun culture" and "mental health" after the recent school shooting.

[Anonymous No.10822643]

>>10822632
It's a parody of Americlaps. Poor people are poor because they are lazy and so on is the American ethos.

[Anonymous No.10822801]

>>10822134
Because we're taught from a young age that America is the single greatest country ever to exist and that our culture and values are superior to all others. I was literally told that other western nations didn't have as much """freedom""" as us so I better be thankful. Even though most educated people realize this isn't true it's still ingrained at a subconscious level and manifests as a total inability to think critically about society.

[Anonymous No.10822816]

>>10818137
>Are there any good books on contemporary depression?

Putting this sentence at the beginning of your thread doesn't make it on-topic for /lit/. Are there any good books on contemporary depression?

[Anonymous No.10822821]

>>10818137
The Book of Disquiet literally talks about this exclusively.

[Anonymous No.10822825]

>>10822816
Admittedly, this kind of sociologic discussion probably fits better here than on /his/, which is almost entirely history. I'd love a /hum/ - Humanities board though.

[Anonymous No.10822863]

>>10820599
>some braindead md
I'm really glad someone spelled it out for me. I have always distrusted people who study medicine, and am comforted by your shared opinion that they are nothing more than snake oil salesmen. Stay woke, brother. Btw, which Herbalife products do you recommend for a fellow anxious-depressive?

[Anonymous No.10822889]

>>10820998
>It's like being financially cucked.
Not just financially. Like you said, we as children get fed a glimpse of the various professions as if they were all fun and games, and you can choose to be anything you want! You can be an astronaut, an astronomer, a marine biologist, a musician, painter, historian, anything! And then you grow up and realize that most jobs are boring, or only available to the lucky few, or you can't make a living doing it, and the disillusion sets in.

[Anonymous No.10822895]

>>10821636
>There's nothing wrong with the world, so don't bother trying to fix it. Just fix yourself! :^)

[Anonymous No.10822903]

>>10820951
I have two depressive friends. Poor diet and exercise aren't necessarily causes of depression so much as symptoms. And improving them doesnt make depression go away, just postpones it for a minute.

[Anonymous No.10822910]

crazy like us- watters
saving normal- frances

[Anonymous No.10822921]

>>10820599
>>10822863
>I have always distrusted people who study medicine

>I have always been a retarded "don't trust le experts!!" conservative

[Anonymous No.10822932]

>>10822921
the credibility of 'experts' is due entirely the incredible successes of the hard sciences, which cannot be conflated even slightly with the 'social sciences' or 'life sciences' including almost everything in medicine.

Most academics are nothing but priests with updated scripture

[Anonymous No.10822935]

>>10821795
At first I thought you were really out of touch but then I realized you're just a bad writer and bad at verbalizing thought.

[Anonymous No.10822936]

>>10822895
Literally Descartes

[Anonymous No.10822952]

>>10822921
>>10822863

There's a difference between trusting a doctor on a lyme disease diagnosis or on your concussion, heart disease, gall stones, etc. and trusting them on psychoactive drugs.

MD's are the ultimate conformers, they had to be to get to medical school. You'd know that if you ever went to a good undergrad and actually dealt with them growing up. They've rarely experimented with drugs beyond binge drinking and the occasional xanax. They have no idea of the qualitative effects of the substances they prescribe

[Anonymous No.10822957]

>>10822134
Bro, only conservacucks push the mentally ill mass shooter narrative. Turn off FOX for a second and realize that this phenomenon was bound to happen in a nation with laughably easy access to firearms, no background checks at gunshows, an unregulated uppers/lowers online market, etc. Remember that the Swiss keep their assault rifles separate from their ammo.

[Anonymous No.10822963]

>>10822921
whoosh

[Anonymous No.10822965]

>>10822936
What about Kant?

[Anonymous No.10822971]

Can I get a couple (You)s?

[Anonymous No.10822986]

>>10822952
Yeah most doctors aren't clinically depressed you dip ass. No wonder they don't take SSRIs. Even if they did "experiment" with antidepressants, they're not depressed in the first place so the results would be inapplicable. What a stupid post you've made, founded on nothing but umfounded, pseudo-street smart "personal experience" claims. Did a doctor offend you or your son?

[Anonymous No.10822992]

>>10822971
sure

[Anonymous No.10823019]

[Anonymous No.10823096]

>>10823019

[Anonymous No.10823138]

>>10820332
I love that painting-Coloso de Goya.

[Anonymous No.10823202]

>>10822963
oh...

[Anonymous No.10823227]

>>10820951
Gee, it's almost like long-term patterns of thought and behavior ("lifestyle") can affect the chemical balance of your brain

[Anonymous No.10824451]

>>10818188
i would gladly kill you for this life

[Anonymous No.10824456]

>>10818188
I am going to kill you

[Anonymous No.10824585]

>>10824451
>>10824456
Okay dude calm down

[Anonymous No.10824625]

[Anonymous No.10824644]

>>10818137
it's because older people who already found a productive place in society realized they wanted more from life and started searching for a "meaning" or "passion", forgetting that they had already worked to a place of comfort. When younger people asked them for advice they imparted this newfound change of perspective to them as the real answer to happiness. This sort of introspection is detrimental to young people since society judges you based on what you are able to produce not if you've figured out how to go from sad to happy or some form of "meaning".

It's would be better if young people were trained to be ambitious and mass-men until they reach social maturity and find the freedom to be introspective without the judgement of society.

[Anonymous No.10824691]

>>10822986
Are you really gonna pretend like it's not piss easy to get dangerous drugs like Xanax, SSRIs and opiates (maybe not so much anymore) whether you "need" them or not and that this has nothing to do with fucking doctors?

[Anonymous No.10825544]

>>10818188
There are specific of that which can help. Don't just strawman people telling you ways to cure depression, some may be genuinely trying to help.

[Anonymous No.10825548]

>>10824691
>SSRIs
>dangerous
Either take a intro level psychology class or stop browsing /pol/

[Anonymous No.10825552]

>>10820611
Dude, every January and February I recluse, not being able to maintaintain a job, and get severely depressed. I'm 23 and can't hold a fucking job because this literally happens every year. I don't go to doctors, so I've never been diagnosed with any "mood disorders", but that's interesting we have similair experiences. I don't start my years until March, just now trying to find another job

[Anonymous No.10825559]

>>10825548
"Dangerous" maybe not, but is long term use a good idea? And I think the Xanax situation speaks for itself, benzos are shit-tier. Never been to /pol/ in my life but I know enough people that pop pills, myself included for a long time.

[Anonymous No.10825562]

>>10825552
thats why my goal now is too move to some place thats hot year round either arizona or maybe liousiana, i hate the winter because i can't run outside and i lose motivation and get out of shape and then i feel like shit, i need to be able to go for a run at 5am year round not 6 months out of the year, fucking sick of this freezing cold shit, i love being smug about living in the north east but fuck it i cant deal with this bullshit anymore

[Anonymous No.10825564]

>>10820638
Rooting for you anon
>>10820646
Lel, thiss
>>10821795
Hey /x/, I was just over there

[Anonymous No.10825763]

>>10818137

I think it's fairly simple. The further back you go, the more difficult, generally, it was to meet your basic needs and move on to more complex needs. In the middle ages and earlier, most of our energy and attention was needed to feed, clothe, and shelter our families, and so we had but little energy dedicated towards the existential struggles of coping with existence.

As things improve generally, we have the same amount of energy and attention, but a fraction of it is dedicated to the physical necessities, a bit more is needed for sexual and romantic pursuits, and the procreation of the species, so we therefore have a lot more energy and attention committed towards the existential problems. I don't think a universal solution to these problems exist, so people are becoming discouraged and overwhelmed with nihilism and existential angst. Their difficult physical and mental pursuits are no longer intrinsically linked to their survival. Exercising and finding a place to live takes so little effort that we find ourselves without day-to-day purpose and goals. And so, suddenly everyone between the ages of 12 and 40 suffers from "depression and anxiety" because they have a serious lack of truly important things to deal with every day.

>>10820646

I don't think it's a lie. You can pursue and become anything you truly want to. But it turns out that most things aren't as desirable as they once seemed once one realizes how much work and sacrifice is required to achieve it. So we abandon grand and noble pursuits for easy ones.

[Anonymous No.10825835]

I'm beginning to believe that a majority of depression in young men is caused by poor nutrition, lack of exercise and unnatural sleeping habits
a strong body is indicative of a vital mind

[Anonymous No.10826154]

>>10822801
It's mostly true, though no replacement for racial belonging, a luxury being sapped from western Europeans anyway
a man in America is free to own and more importantly use weapons for self defence and conduct his business and home with minimal state interference, this is the essence of American freedom. The domination of corporations and indebted populace is another story

[Anonymous No.10826661]

>>10818137
Good night punpun by Inio Asano. It's a manga and one of the best at capturing the general sense of hopelessness of the youth

[Anonymous No.10826731]

>>10820599
Why are ssri's meant to be so bad again?

[Anonymous No.10826744]

>>10822559
We've already spent enough energy concentrating on your unsolvable brown people problems

[Anonymous No.10826756]

On Depression by Ghaemi might be interesting for you. He is a trained and practicing psychiatrist but also has done schooling in philosophy, and the book shows that. He's very much against psychiatry.

[Anonymous No.10826759]

>>10825835
Greek medicine rek us like usual. They would prescribe walks, ideally in the sun.

[Anonymous No.10826791]

>>10825763
I agree with you 100%. I'm going to go and try to find God now. Netflix and biking and sex and food and friends and cars aren't enough.

[Anonymous No.10826811]

>>10826731
The jury is still out as to how SSRIs actually work. Look at the studies. I believe that, generally speaking, SSRIs work a little better than placebo. Additionally, we don't know their long term effects since they haven't been out on the market that long. Shit, in 30 years, all those moms taking Prozac in the 90s will have neurological diseases BECAUSE they were taking Prozac. And they were taking Prozac because their doctor thought it would cure their depression, which I ultimately believe to have it's roots in the structure of society, beyond anything else.

[Anonymous No.10826958]

>>10822863
kek

[Anonymous No.10827013]

>>10825763
this

[Anonymous No.10827021]

>>10818137
Yeah I’d say you are basically right. Though I’d argue that there is also a huge element of dislocation, and too much individualism.

I know personally I’ve lived in 7 houses in 5 years, constantly in the space of new people, never with a consistent group of friends, or in the same city as a romantic partner. One cannot have a community when live is in such an extreme degree of flux.

All my friends, and myself are all on some form of medication for mental health. My school has had a rash of suicides in the last year. Everybody I’ve dated has turned out to be either dangerously anxious, bulimic, or bipolar. I think I miss the bipolar girl most.
I’ve heard Depression described as the inability to construct a future. Social theorists have been saying since the 80s that blooming condition of postmodernity is a hyper standardized world which has no past and no future. Life after the “end of history”, that’s a world which has no future, so it of course stands to reason that anybody even a little socially conscious would eventually develop depression.

[Anonymous No.10827029]

>>10818137
Anomie
Read Durkheim

[Anonymous No.10827054]

>>10827021
may I ask what is causing you to move so much? I hear of friends that move to the "new-big-city", because that's what people should do in their life, right?, only to be underwhelmed, overstimulated and lonely.

perhaps in your case you are in the same geographical location, but just moving to different houses a lot. regardless, your social circle seems to be changing, and I suspect that that is difficult to deal with (it would be for me at least, which is a big reason I never moved to anywhere else post-college, I stayed right the fuck here).

[Anonymous No.10827073]

>>10827054
Not him but I've lived in London for about four years and have lived in about 8 different rented room.

The reason is that sometimes the people I moved in with turned out to be completely uncivilized (mostly non-Brits) or that my lease was running down and I was considering leaving my job and the city at the same time. But I kept ending up having to rent some new place on a short-term rent with the intention of finding a job outside the city, which I've failed to do. Every one of my landlords have been non-white foreigners. 90% of my flatmates have been non-white foreigners.

I didn't move here for money or anything like that, I just needed a job after uni.

[Anonymous No.10827089]

>>10827054
I’ve had to move at the end of each school year because for one reason another we couldn’t renew the lease, and then moving either back home or to another city for work during the summer. And yeah just because of where the houses are available moving to different parts of the same city can really affect who and how often you can see the same people.

[Anonymous No.10827214]

>>10826756
>Chapter 6: Postmodernism debunked

Yeah... I think I'm good. Why are all of these psychiatrists-turned-philosophers such giant pseuds?

[Anonymous No.10827217]

>>10827214
shit man, at least read some of the chapter

[Anonymous No.10827226]

>>10820599
Which is correct:
>thousands of scientific and empirical studies
>the smartest phD graduates researching the way the mind works
>tomes of research, ideas and psychotherapy from the last 500 years

Or

>one randon brainlet anon with a retarded friend

[Anonymous No.10827245]

>>10825835
Definitley plays a part but how can so many anons here be so unintelligent regarding their views on mental illness?

Its a verifiable scientic fact that happiness is partly a chemical response from the brain. Your brain runs on chemicals.

Youre not depressed or bipolar? Good your brain is functioning correctly.

This isnt a new phenonmenon. The abciebt Greeks talked about a form of depreasion or anhedonia.

You fucking brainlets who think
>its fake
>just b happy
>b healthy

have no fucking concept of the biological processes of the mind and psychology. Please educate yourself instead of spewing vitrol and hate. I guarentee most of you writing >hurr durr SSRIs are EBiL
are pathetic depressed faggots who will never get the help they should because they have the mental capacity of a earthworm.

[Anonymous No.10827276]

>>10827245
Why did you even make this post? Obviously exercise and healthy eating will make you feel better. It's not going to cure anything but it's better than doing nothing and making your situation worse.

[Anonymous No.10827289]

>>10827245
There are good reasons to be depressed and it will only increase and increase in percentage. Drugging everyone down is a short term solution.

[Anonymous No.10827299]

>>10822134
Because we don't have a society.

[Anonymous No.10827311]

>>10818137
I don't know OP, might have something to do about we hearing boomers speaking about how they bought 5 bedroom houses after working as a clerk for 3 years, gen X about how fucking awesome the 80s were, about how they could play in the street, there was plenty of great entertainment and were the last generation to be able to buy a house and have a degree without being buried neck deep in debt for the rest of your life because you must get expensive degrees if you don't want to be unemployed but student loans have absurd interest and stick with you regardless of bankruptcy while you see your country being torn apart around you and every imaginable horror is right at the door of your building as you go out to your shit job every day both because hirers want you to have a phD and experience by 21 and because boomers are still holding on to exec positions they got in decades ago, all of that snowballing into a scenario of complete hopelessness and destruction.
Might have something to do with that.

[Anonymous No.10827350]

>>10827311
A lot of Boomers went bankrupt on their student loans so they changed the law.

[Anonymous No.10827412]

>>10825763
>you can become anything you want to be

Righto chap! Im going to be a big bright burning sun! I can be anything i want to be right?

What you mean is you might get close to being some things, and it helps to try. Unfortunately though there are some things that appear to be out of reach, unless i am wrong that we humans can morph ourselves into stars at will

I...im not wrong, r-r-right?

[Anonymous No.10827474]

>>10826731
most are overprescribed when there are plenty of other solutions (exercise, diet, sleep for example)

coming from someone whose doctors handed them out like candy (i was on 4 meds at one point when i was 14: naltrexone, depakote, abilify, prozac), i havent taken them for years because they often made me feel even more dead inside

One of the leading side effects of ssris is becoming even more depressed. Great. Lets play depressive roulette with kids

The medical establishment is mostly clueless as to how to aid the “mentally ill”(look up the DSM definitions for mental illnesses. What it amounts to is behavior outside of the norm[the norm being some arbitrarily social behaviors- the pinnacle of conservatism]) The current solution is to pump them full of pills and isolate them from society and take away their sharps. And teenagers are especially fucked, coming from broken homes, absent/dead parents, drug addicts, no one wants them so just drug them out, that will help them... surely...

Pills are convienent for doctors and patients, doctors get marketed heavily, patients dont care/are influenced by “professionals”, sick carousel keeps spinning and big pharma is very happy that it does- the “sick” and “mentally ill” give them a job

[Anonymous No.10827534]

You know OP is saying something that strikes a nerve and has a grain of truth in it when everyone jumps on him with bile and fury.

[Anonymous No.10827570]

>>10822895
No, rather, there is something wrong with this world, and most of this wrongness comes from people thinking they can fix the wrongness by changing the world outside themselves and other people without changing themselves first. Or, in shorter terms, help fix the world by fixing yourself first.

[Anonymous No.10827571]

>>10827412

The wording of the phrase where I grew up was not, "You could be anything you want to be," it was "You can do anything you set your mind to."

Tell me, who has ever set their mind to being a big bright burning sun? Who has ever set their mind to doing something that seems physically impossible? Well, someone who found it worthwhile. In the late 1800s someone might've said, "I think it would be worthwhile to fly to the moon." He was regarded as stupid. And not just stupid, but delusional. And yes, a couple generations later and man had flown to the moon.

Your example is something that no one would ever rationally set his mind to. Pick a better example. Traveling to Mars, becoming president, converting an abundant chemical into edible and nourishing food.

[Anonymous No.10827676]

>>10825548
They can lead to psychotic breaks, mania, including homicidal and suicidal ideation. Many of the American school shooters recently turned out to be on SSRIs. You get hooked to SSRIs and if you suddenly stop taking them you can have seizures and develop serotonin syndrome. If, on the other hand, you decide to slowly wean off them, you may find yourself, at the end, even more depressed than before and your brain/emotions feel hollow, numb, empty, foggy, etc according to people's subjective reports. Then going back on another SSRI may not work after that to cure ones depression. They also kill sex drive and for some even the ability to orgasm while on it. Bet you feel like a fuckhead.

[Anonymous No.10827768]

>>10827245
>Its a verifiable scientic fact that happiness is partly a chemical response from the brain. Your brain runs on chemicals.
It's also a verifiable fact that exercise and diet will change your brain chemistry. In fact, a lot of things will change brain chemistry and/or brain functioning itself. Meditation and mindfulness practices, cognitive-behavioral therapy.

[Anonymous No.10827792]

>>10827676
Oh yeah also as >>10827474 points out -- they can even ironically worsen depression in some.

[Anonymous No.10827809]

>>10827768
>mindfulness
STOP SAYING THIS WORD HOLY SHIT. USING YOUR RATIONAL THINKING CAPACITIES ISN'T FUCKING MAGIC

[Anonymous No.10827813]

>>10818137

[Anonymous No.10827821]

What effect do you guys think the internet has had on mental health?

Surely it isn't a coincidence that so many young people are reporting feeling depressed these days. Perhaps it's a case of them being able to let people know they're depressed, but still it seems widespread despite the "never had it so good" rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.10827820]

>>10827809
mindfulness isn't magic, but it also isn't thinking

[Anonymous No.10827871]

[Anonymous No.10828367]

>>10827820
Succinct and accurate

[Anonymous No.10828515]

>>10827820
Pretty sure mindfulness involves thinking, yes.

[Anonymous No.10828746]

>>10827245
>m-muh chemicals
you might be an autistic sack of fluids but normal people have souls and minds

[Anonymous No.10828754]

>>10828746
>souls and minds
God, dualists are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.10828769]

>>10828754
>soul and mind necessitates complete distinction
brainlet

[Anonymous No.10828988]

>>10827021
bipolar people are highly loveable ime. not sure why that is or what it says about me.

[Anonymous No.10829284]

>>10822863
>>10822952
>>10822986
>>10825548
the history of opioids in america should be enough for anyone to discount the average doctor's medicative judgment. if a generation of doctors could be conditioned into pushing oxycodone for toothaches, why the hell would I trust them with my brain? you think those drugs don't have similar marketing teams who'd like a 200-million-customer base? you think every 8-y/o kid who's twitchy in class needs neurotoxicity and dependence on amphetamines? you think every stressed college freshman needs a physical addiction to benzos that could kill them if they can't deal with it and try to taper by themselves?
in my experience, a doctor is a checklist of procedures accompanying a glorified neural network, and if you don't match the right pattern, you're fucked. if you don't believe this, have someone in college ask their friend group if they take adderall, if they "don't really need it but wanted it to study," and if they both know a connect/how to get a script. in any university in america except brigham young, you'll get told exactly what you'd expect. if you happen to know some people with mental illness, ask them how many regimens they've undergone, and how effective those've been. these are not idle hypotheticals, you almost certainly know someone with a pill habit, and likely know someone with a horror story of malpractice
before taking anything, read papers on mechanisms of action and known or proposed issues, read erowid/bluelight/all other information you can find (not to imbue these with objectivity, but as a guard), have chemist drug enthusiast friends (online or otherwise) with whom you discuss any course of action you're considering, and pray they're neurotic enough to know about or predict issues
none of this is meant as demonization of these drugs, I think (properly dosed and mitigated) drugs are useful tools, but unless you're laid up in NIH, I wouldn't blindly trust any doctor to know what they're talking about

[Anonymous No.10829351]

>>10825835
Yes but society encourages poor nutrition, lack of exercise and unnatural sleeping habits.
>>10826759
Walk in the sun, until you see a couple kissing on a bench and realize how lonely you are, sure.

[Anonymous No.10829396]

>>10827571
Not everyone who wants to be X will be X, even if they pursue it. To instill otherwise in impressionable adolescents is detrimental and you know it. Go ahead and encourage your kid to march to their own beat, but you need to step in as the voice of reason and teach them how the real world works.

[Anonymous No.10829439]

The lines in Coleridge's 'Dejection'

A grief without a pang, void, dark and drear,
A drowsy, stifled, unimpassioned grief,
Which, finds no natural outlet or relief
In word, or sigh, or tear.

[Anonymous No.10829467]

>>10818886
Is this pasta?

[Anonymous No.10829490]

>>10829467
are you retarded
>>10818886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_Vincent

[Anonymous No.10830138]

>>10825548
I've called an ambulance for a friend who had a seizure in front of my eyes b/c of his antidepressant use dipshit

[Anonymous No.10830147]

>>10828754
>can't tell the difference between subjective and collective/objective reality and what that means for soul/mind dualism
I hope you're pretending to be retarded anon

[Anonymous No.10830154]

>>10818137
No Longer Human

[Anonymous No.10830158]

>>10829396

I know where you're coming from, but I still disagree. My friend is a teacher and this question was discussed at a conference or something. She asked me and I couldn't quite reason how it could be detrimental to teach a child that he has control over his life and pursuits.

Yes, some things will be unachievable. Yes, some circumstances are out of your control. What happens to a kid who is taught to appreciate what control he DOES have over his world? He changes his world through his pursuits.

What are you afraid will happen if we teach this principle to children?

[Anonymous No.10830660]

>>10830158
communists fear inequity and non-communist revolution

[Anonymous No.10830674]

I genuinely think it's partly because of atheism, which inevitably leads to nihilism. Man is supposed to be religious or else everything is just a cruel contest for social prizes that most people can't win.

[Anonymous No.10830677]

>>10818137
dude wow you have just described me to the T, like 100% accuracy
i am currently 32 years old living with my parents
i have about 7K in credit card debt and am barely making monthly payments, i am currently unemployed, i have a girlfriend who loves me and i love her and she is in the same situation as me (living with parents) but she at least has the motivation to have a job
i don't even care about living man, i just want to stay in this dream, which you described with your post. 100% honestly, being dead sounds better than going back to work and hating waking up every day, and i don't see any answer to this question : "how am i going to justify being alive?"
Babby Boomers are completely insensitive to this ideology, because as you siad, they grew up in a completely different culture, so i can't talk to my parents about this. i've tried. they can't even begin to comprehend where i'm coming from.
going back to work seems like a non option. making 10-12$ per hour working hard manual labor and hating every single moment of every day sounds like a life entirely not worth living.
bowing out of life honorably seems like the only logical, practical, worthwhile, legitimate option at this point
i think i started this post meaning to ask for help, but now i'm just stating facts. i just want to be out of this world, which undoubtedly is gettting nothing but worse and going nowhere but down

[Anonymous No.10830684]

>>10830677
>making 10-12$ per hour working hard manual labor and hating every single moment of every day sounds like a life entirely not worth living.
I made $4/hour on deployment. But I'll be damned if I was going to give up on life because I wasn't getting paid very much.

[Anonymous No.10830690]

>>10830677
money isn't everything idiot
your material obsessions are what is holding you back, a homeless man lives more every day than a NEET will in a month

[Anonymous No.10830782]

>>10820285
This.
He was one of the good guys, as much as anyone can be. RIP

[Anonymous No.10832606]

>>10822119
normalize by population
this is still horrifying, but it's contextless. without the picture you don't even know it concerns americans

[Anonymous No.10832615]

>>10822119
>>10832606
apologies, your link does this

[Anonymous No.10832616]

>>10830684
*salutes*

[Anonymous No.10832630]

>>10820611
What you are describing is not what the other poster is complaining about so shut the fuck up and just try to maybe see beyond your own suffering (i know it's hard)

[Anonymous No.10833941]

>>10827054
it can be a fiscal necessity, not just a passing fancy
some jobs move at regular intervals, some are inherently temporary, some require moving for career growth, etc.

[Anonymous No.10834009]

>>10833941
besides, fuck a social circle. What kind of person *requires* such things?

[Anonymous No.10834055]

>>10834009
I mean having friends you can physically meet and do things with is (in my experience) very beneficial for mental health and happiness
I wasn't saying that one shouldn't try to maintain a stable living situation in that post, just that it's not always a choice or a possibility

[Anonymous No.10834076]

>>10834055
I wasn't being sarcastic. I think the average person would be surprised with their ability to A) be alone for a bit and okay with this and B) maybe even able to make new kinds of friends whom someone might not have been friends with in a different situation.

[Anonymous No.10834108]

>>10834076
I live by myself and talk to someone else for more than a couple minutes maybe 4 times a week. the people I feel closest to and care most about (aside from family) are high school friends scattered around the country, and the exertions I care about are all solitary pursuits, so I don't foresee this changing.
I was criticizing your statement from experience, not a hypothetical cheery standpoint

[Anonymous No.10834217]

>>10834108
lol that's p much how i live.

[Anonymous No.10834352]

>>10818188
this post literally made me hard

thanks

[Anonymous No.10836228]

>>10834217
you aren't uncomfortable with it? if not, did you ever have any point of comparison?

[Anonymous No.10836270]

>>10826154
Gambling is illegal
Drinking outside is illegal
Fucking Kinder Surprise is illegal

so much for freedom

[Anonymous No.10836287]

>>10827245
But not all depression is caused by brain chemical malfunction, sometimes the brain is working properly but your life is just shit, which requires lifestyle change instead. Given that lifestyle change is better than drugs, its the first thing you should try, but doctors just dose you up because its easier

[Anonymous No.10836289]

>>10818137
It's much more likely a constant awareness of the world around them. Besides, women didn't have to work until relatively recently.

[Anonymous No.10836487]

>>10834108
are you me anon?

[Anonymous No.10836509]

>>10827821
>What effect do you guys think the internet has had on mental health?
Bad for a sadboy brainlet like me.

[Anonymous No.10836910]

>>10822971
no

[Anonymous No.10836912]

Depression doesn't exist. Mental illness doesn't exist. Stop spooking yourself with soul memes.

[Anonymous No.10836916]

>>10827226
>muh stem based in le platonism
There is no mind. Stop being superstitious.
>>10822921
Expertise in Platonism? No thanks.

[Anonymous No.10836918]

>>10829284
STFU NIGGER YOURE DESTROYING LE WHITE CIVILIZASHUN DOCTORS AND LE STEM ARE LE OBJECTIVE AND NEVER WRONG

[Anonymous No.10836924]

>>10827245
>Its a verifiable scientic fact that happiness is partly a chemical response from the brain. Your brain runs on chemicals.
False. Go back to plebbit.
Chemicals do not exist. Brains do not exist. These are memes attached to body to reinforce Greek ideology.
>processes of the mind
There is no mind
>psychology
There is no Platonic soul

[Anonymous No.10836958]

>be me, somebody whose ancestors were persecuted and oppressed by white people for centuries
>browse this thread
lmfaaaaaaaaaaaao. Hunter and Tommy and Taylor's moms told them they could all be Stanley Kubrick and Kurt Cobain when they grew up, and now they're sad because they're working at Starbucks

Thank god I had Asian parents 2bh. I was miserable in middle school but now I realize that getting this white people shit knocked out of me at an early age made me smarter and wealthier and more skilled.

[Anonymous No.10836971]

>>10818137
A viable hypothesis. Good on you my friend. Please ignore the mouthbreathers

[Anonymous No.10836972]

>>10836958
>still bitter about things that happened in middle school
letztermensch detected

[Anonymous No.10837010]

>>10836972
I literally just explained why I appreciate things that happened in middle school you dumb white retard

[Anonymous No.10837035]

>>10825562
You can run in cold weather, you know. It's just harder. Nobody to blame but yourself.

[Anonymous No.10837041]

>>10821795
Your ideas are solid but your delivery is retarded.
Translation for other readers
"Magician" refers to the corporations in cahoots with psychology/sociology/neurology experts who give them the info to know exactly how your brain responds to stimuli. Your entire mental realm is controlled by advertisers/marketers who bend culture to their wims. Good for the wellbeing of business. Not so good for yours.

[Anonymous No.10837055]

>>10828515
It's about cutting down on the extrapolations your brain makes. Focus on what's in front of you, not on all the possible reasons stacy giggled behind your back, soyboy.

[Anonymous No.10837065]

>>10837010
sounds like you're just rationalizing the childhood that jaded you

[Anonymous No.10837072]

>>10818137
The problem isnt the toil of the job. The problem is even if you toil, where im from that wont get you a house or enough to support a family. You're basically priced out of that. So my only existence is going to work everday (often at a stressful humiliating position) with no reward beyond "you've earned enough to not be homeless tomorrow". Both my parents got a job one month out of school, with my father earning well above average on his first ever job. A friend of my father's job interview consisted of being asked "how many legs does a cow have" before being hired in a company that imported and exported meat. Later he would end up being the director of one of the sectors in that company.

[Anonymous No.10837080]

>>10837065
Sounds like I'm expressing gratitude I didn't turn out to be a dumb white retard working at Starbucks like you

[Anonymous No.10837082]

>>10834108
same. it's uncomfortable at times but I understand in part it is out of my control because I also don't really want friends yet. Focusing on self-improvement is fulfilling enough right now, even if everyone thinks of me as a weirdo hermit.

[Anonymous No.10837089]

>>10837080
Recasting your adolescent pain as "character building" sounds like the definition of rationalization to me.

I'm also glad you didn't turn out white, I guess that would mean you had the Michael Jackson disease, or something

[Anonymous No.10837103]

The Anatomy of Melancholy is the only book anyone will ever need about depression.

Also young people are not suffering any more now than in the past. Try looking up suicide statistics for the 19th century.

[Anonymous No.10837105]

>>10818137
>contemporary depression
huh

[Anonymous No.10837110]

>>10818137
why should there a be a book about your retarded "theory"? don't you think that would pretty weird? i mean, that shit you said. noboby thinks that except you.

[Anonymous No.10837120]

>>10832630
He was talking about depression, which is part of what I have, but people tend to take mania a lot more seriously than depression because the behavior is clearly not normal.

The depression though is no more normal, it just appears outwardly like someone being lethargic for no reason. The point is that it is clearly not just thought patterns, which was what I was trying to highlight with the example.