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>Suddenly,

>> No.10814383

ses

>> No.10814387

Cringe all you want but this world is very hard to substitute or avoid. Try to write yourself and you will see why.

>> No.10814394

>>10814387
"When out of nowhere"

>> No.10814395

>>10814383
qoq

>> No.10814396

>>10814387
>world
word

>> No.10814401
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10814401

>had had

>> No.10814402

>>10814396
world is much deeper though

>> No.10814408
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10814408

>property

>> No.10814420

>>10814394
This is even worse.
Actually it is possible just not to use this word. So, instead of
>Suddenly, a thunder cracked
You can write
>A thunder cracked.
But this "suddenly" adds some authenticity, especially in first-person prose. So it all goes down to a proper execution.

>> No.10814422

>>10814401
Who's to blame for the train wreck that is the english language?

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10814426

> >

>> No.10814428

>>10814422
In that particular case probably Germans.

>> No.10814429

>>10814373
>all of the sudden

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10814434

>In conclusion,

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10814440

>>10814408
>Spectacle

>> No.10814447

>to be honest
>shaking my head
>famiglia

>> No.10814457

>>10814428
in german there is no double word shit

>> No.10814512

>>10814422
The Brits.

>> No.10814519

Yes, very good. HOWEVER

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10814536

>>10814373
>>Suddenly,
life has
new meeeeeeeeaning
to meeeeeeeeeee

>> No.10814544

>>10814457
Then it must be anime's fault.

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10814551

>>10814519
>TADASHI

>> No.10814556

>>10814551
Actually SHKASHI has more impact

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10814604

>>10814373
a wild marian post

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10814615

>Needless to say,

>> No.10814640

>>10814422
the problem comes from how many languages went into what we call "english", blame the anglians and saxons, the danes and norse, and finally the norman french.

>> No.10814832

>>10814457
He probably means that that that probably comes from dass, das.

>> No.10814836

>>10814604
WHY??!? WHY must you torment me with these jezebels?

>> No.10814865

>>10814373
I know this was one of Elmore Leonard's rule and I've tried to follow it, but now think it's bullshit. Suddenly is a great word and like someone else said it's very difficult to avoid. In fact, I don't even understand why some dislike it and discourage its use.

>> No.10814907

>>10814387
False. Actions speak for themselves. If it's "sudden" because it's happening very quickly, then tell me it's fast. If it's unexpected because it's so loud, tell me that. Or if it's sudden because of contextual details, then I should already know. I should FEEL astonished. You writing "Suddenly" doesn't communicate any information to me other than that you haven't shaken a very mediocre, albeit common, mistake.

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>>10814387
>Cringe all you want but this world is very hard to substitute or avoid.
>this world is very hard to substitute or avoid.
Why do you have to make me sad

>> No.10815027

>>10814420
I feel a modifier like "suddenly" only makes sense in the context of humans or other characters that display the ability to be surprised.
So instead of
>suddenyl a thunder cracked
you could say
>thunder cracked. adolf's heart skipped a beat.
except do a better job than that lol.

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>>10814420
>a thunder cracked

>> No.10815081

>>10814836
Kek

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10815090

>and then

>> No.10815092

>>10814907
"Suddenly" is used to descibe a perception of an action, not the action itself.
>You writing "Suddenly" doesn't communicate any information to me
If it is such a void word then why it exists in a language?

>> No.10815102

>>10815027
>thunder cracked. adolf's heart skipped a beat
>pondering the intense heat of a lightning bolt, he suddenly knew the answer to the Jewish Question

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10815214

>>10814457
Yes there is

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10815239

...life has new meaning

>> No.10815254

yall niggas need to learn to show, not tell
>>10815102
KEK

>> No.10815290

Currently scanning my draft, furiously looking for any instance of a phrase posted in this thread and deleting them quickly and without hesitation.

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10815297

>thus
>thusly

>> No.10815302

>>10815290
Dont let /lit/ decide your prose m8. Though might be best to get rid of some of these cringe phrases/words

>> No.10815307

>>10814434
>in conclusion
>Every tech blog post written in the last 15 years by some wanna be writer.
I hate finding a useful article that ends with in conclusion. Fuck you.

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10815310

>>10815297
>therefore
>hence
>then
>so

>> No.10815317

>>10814387

Instead of writing "suddenly", just fucking DO IT.

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10815328

>pericombobulations

>> No.10816153

>>10815092
That makes no sense.

People say "Um," "Like," "Really," "Super," and "Honestly," all the time, but that doesn't mean its applicable to prose. Suddenly works very seldom; in normal scenes, if you use "suddenly" to introduce an action your writing looks amateur and straight up bad. That's all there is to it.

>> No.10816162

>>10814387
only if you are a filthy plotfag

>> No.10816174

>>10814373
We adopted a Golden Retriever!

>> No.10817603

>>10814373
>From whence
>I would have had to have had
>I’d’ve’d to’ve’d

>> No.10817610

>>10814373
I’m not half the man I use to be.

>> No.10817616

>>10814401
>>10814422
>>10814640

The English language were a mistake.

>> No.10817790
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10817790

>Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

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>>10814373
>Verily

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10817838

>and but so

>> No.10817858

>the more she drank

>> No.10817977

>>10814373
It's fine used sparingly, and usually for mundane things, but amateurs seem to think the only way to make action feel sudden is to literally say it was sudden.

>> No.10817989

>>10817790
You fucked up, it’s

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

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>>10814420
>a thunder cracked

>> No.10818000

>>10814373
I'm not half the man I used to be.

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10818178

>>10818000

Hahahaha have a dinosaur.

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10818275

>now

>> No.10818283

>>10814434
I thought that was a dog with a fucked up face at first

>> No.10818351

>indeed,
>after all,

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10818403

>HE

>> No.10818540

>>10817858
kek, every fucking time.
Martin should've been jailed for his crimes against literature

>> No.10818545

>>10814422
The French

>> No.10818548

>>10818351
how do you want to avoid using "indeed" in academic writing, and why would you? if it flows naturally, why do you think there has to be something wrong with it?

>> No.10818549

>>10818403
lol

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10818550

>>10817838

>> No.10818684

>Hitherto
>Henceforth
>Insofar

>> No.10818726

>>10814387
>Suddenly, the man with the gun pulled the trigger.
>The man pulled the trigger.

>> No.10818730

>>10818548
It is a word that can be omitted without loss of meaning in almost all cases.

>> No.10818751

>>10815317
>Instead of writing "suddenly", just fucking DO IT.
Exactly this. The action is even more sudden without the warning that action is approaching.

>> No.10818797

>>10818751
Or you could pull a Crane and abruptly drop to a new one line paragraph.

>> No.10818825

>>10818797
Please, dispel my ignorance with some elaboration.

>> No.10818841

>get pdf of crime and punishment
>search 'suddenly'
>every page
>check translation
>exact match
Realize Dostoevsky's a hack but no one will listen to you

>> No.10818850

>>10818548
the question of an 80 IQ academic wannabe

>> No.10818875

>>10818825
Stephen Crane would emphasize things by doing this:

Jimmie sat nursing his various wounds. He cast furtive glances at his mother. His practiced eye perceived her gradually emerge from a muddled mist of sentiment until her brain burned in a drunken heat. He sat breathless.

Maggie broke a plate.

>> No.10818906

>>10818875
TX for the elaboration, anon. I have done a little work modifying the appearance of poetry on a page. This seems to have a similar effect.

>> No.10818987

>>10818875
'suddenly' connotes relevance within a contiguous storyline. your example is just counterintuitive formatting masquerading as innovation. To "emphasize" throwaway narrative diversions in this way stinks of rank pretension. But it sounds like you might actually read Crane so . . . you've got bigger problems

>> No.10819091

A question regarding the
>suddenly
discussion, would it be an option to use an onomatopoeia instead of just stating the action that happens ?
Taking the example of an anon earlier in the thread
>Suddenly, the man with the gun pulled the trigger.
>The man pulled the trigger.

Maybe use something like this to create an extra moment of suspense between the time the gun is fired and the character knows that he had been shot.
>BANG
>A sharp pain came into his chest
>he'd been shot by the man
>Growing weak and falling down on his knees
>In his last moments before his final breath he had but one last thought
>why didn't anon use "suddenly" to warn him of the man with the gun

>> No.10819124

>>10816153
>applicable
i think you mean appropriate, because those words are obviously applicable to prose.

>> No.10819125

>>10814387
>then

>> No.10819272

>>10814457
lol are you retarded, or just non-German? (redundant I know)

>> No.10819595

>>10814907
"Suddenly, ..." is at the beginning of the sentence though, preparing the reader from the start for action. It's one of those keywords that prepare the reader for the tone of the scene.

>> No.10819647

>>10818548
In fact?

Why do you bring up academic writing though? This thread is obviously about artistic literature.

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>>10814373
>that that
>had had

>> No.10820161

>>10814434
I always skip the conclusion because it's just repeating things I already read.

>> No.10820182

>>10820161
I always read the conclusion because it lets me learn the important parts without needing to pay attention to the preceding material

>> No.10820384

>>10814907
>I should FEEL astonished.
kek
>You writing "Suddenly" doesn't communicate any information to me other than that you haven't shaken a very mediocre, albeit common, mistake.
You're one of those show, don't tell faggots, aren't you?

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10820390

>>10815254
>yall niggas need to learn to show, not tell
yall niggas need to drop that show, don't tell meme. it's 2018 lmao xD

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10820449

>Bдpyг

>> No.10820456

>>10814615
>THE BEAST WAS STUNNED

>> No.10820475

>>10814373
I see, this is what I want to be. Suddenly I see, why the hell it means so much to me

>> No.10820695

> all hell broke loose

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>>10814394
>suddenly out of nowhere

>> No.10820848

>>10819595
To build on this, when I use suddenly to start a paragraph, it's because I'm concerned the transition would be TOO abrupt without it, and I want a speed bump of sorts to alert the reader that the pace is about to change.

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>>10820456

>> No.10821244

>>10814373
>reading Dosto
>see this thread
>go back to reading
>notice every "suddenly"
Fuck you anon this is worse than manual breathing

>> No.10821259

>>10819692
what if a writer knew that that "that that" made for awkward writing but decided that that "that that" was the only way to write the sentence?

>> No.10821264

>>10821259
i think only esl cases notice "that that" cuz like when i'm reading chinese and i see some shit repeated i'm like woah the same character twice freaky, but in ur own language its invisible

>> No.10821278

>>10821259

i think that that that that "that that" that makes the sentence so awkward brings justifies it's use.

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>>10814420
>a thunder cracked

>> No.10821345

>>10814373
>All of the sudden

>> No.10821540

>>10821304
I'm not english so I'm really curious what's so funny in "a thnder cracked". Please explain.

>> No.10821571

>>10821540
Thunder is not something that can be quantified in units in English, making indefinite articles inappropriate to use with it.

>The thunder
is correct in the context in which it refers to thunder as a whole in the current circumstance.
>Thunder
without an article, is the most common form, because it only has need for a definite article when specific emphasis is being placed on it or an attempt at distinguishing it from something else is being made.
>A thunder
is never correct, because thunder cannot be broken down into measurements, and there is thus no acceptable vagueness in which an indefinite article would be appropriate.

>> No.10821575

>>10821571
Thanks for the explanation.

>> No.10822035

>>10820449

good post

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>>10814401
>all the faith he had had had had no effect on his life

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10822098

done did

>> No.10822122

>>10820390
dat timeless troof doe

>> No.10822126

>>10821222
does anyone know what movie this is? looking for jack black kino

>> No.10822167

Suddenly, without warning, out of nowhere, when he least expected it, before he could react, in a split-second, before he even knew it had happened, like lightning, the cab driver opened the boot for him and started loading in his luggage.

>> No.10822179

>>10822126
I think it's from a Tenacious D video

>> No.10822403

>>10819647
and yet people are bringing up lots of words which pretty much never show up in artistic writing.

>>10818850
>wannabe
yeah, show me a PhD written without a single indeed/in fact

>> No.10822409

>>10822098
>dindu nuffin

>> No.10822425

>>10814401
We don't do that. What we do do is...

>> No.10822440

>>10820384
MY ENGLISH TEACHER IN 7TH GRADE SAID SHOWING NOT TELLING WAS WHAT SEPARATED THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF SO YOU BETTER WATCH IT

>> No.10822443

>>10821571
Correct. The appropriate phrase is "a thundering cracked"

>> No.10822481

>>10814640
Don't forget latin and greek, from which we borrow many words to make up for the lack of vocabulary in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIo-17SIkws

>> No.10822496

>>10814394
DOOT DOO DOO DOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.10822507

>>10814420
I don’t know ... thunders are quite sudden by implication. People use “Suddenly” as the word to describe the effect of being surprised.

A thunder cracked and they <insert expression of being surprised by thunder >.

>> No.10822510

>>10818841
prose isnt the point of reading him

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>>10822126
>>10822179
"Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny"

>> No.10822678

>>10821259
Give an example of such a sentence and I will break it into two or more sentences.

>> No.10822760

>>10822179
>>10822528
thank you gents

>> No.10822764

>>10822443
i know you're just joking around now, but the real phrase is "a thunderous cracked"

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>>10814373
>All of the sudden

>> No.10822773

>>10822403
Most PhDs are fucking retarded. I know because most of my professors were fucking retarded and they somehow got PhDs.

>> No.10822776

>insofar

>> No.10822831

>>10814373

>hyuk

>> No.10822878

>>10820839
Is that a bracelet? A necklace? I want it

>> No.10823218

>>10822878
Looks like a nazar charm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazar_(amulet)

>> No.10823408

Suddenly is perfectly fine anywhere but the beginning of a sentence.

>> No.10823473

>>10823408
Quite suddenly anons mind exploded. He realized that he could just add random adverbs before the "Suddenly" to become a master wordsmith.

>> No.10823484

>>10822773
t: first semester undergrad

>> No.10823485

>>10815239
underrated