/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10807003]

Fucking liberals

[Anonymous No.10807009]

>>10807003
I like to reflect back on the subtle baits of the past, but I'm starting to think I only imagined them.

[Anonymous No.10807010]

>>10807003
But that's literally the point of the novel

[Anonymous No.10807029]

>>10807010
Mary Shelley certainly falls into the category of "Fucking liberals" though.

[Anonymous No.10807039]

>>10807029
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10807044]

>>10807003
>have horrible doctor inflict unethical surgerical procedures on you against your will a la gender hormone therapy
>you're the victim
Well yeah okay I can go along with that

[Anonymous No.10807068]

>>10807003
That's not a novel idea at all. Is The Sun a satirical newspaper like the onion?

[Anonymous No.10807077]

>>10807068
not it isnt unfortunately, it is one of the most popular newspapers in the UK, piece of shit paper, published various unfounded smear stories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster#The_Sun

[Anonymous No.10807079]

>>10807077
It may as well be, but no.

[Anonymous No.10807080]

>>10807068
The Sun is a shitshow tabloid that is read by the majority of plebs in this country. In fact, pretty much all print media over here sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.10807082]

>>10807003

[Anonymous No.10807087]

>>10807003
-_-

Being this fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.10807136]

>>10807039
it's true, I bet she was in favour of women's suffrage and everything

[Anonymous No.10807140]

>>10807003
> The Sun

What a fucking shit rag of a tabloid. This is literally the source of news for people who masturbate while doing 70mph in a white van.

[Anonymous No.10807141]

>>10807068
The Sun is like the ultimate pleb filter of newspapers. If you read the Sun, you're a dumb cunt who peaked at fucking nursery.

[Anonymous No.10807142]

It's clear that whoever wrote this has never read the novel. sage

[Anonymous No.10807144]

fuck off these threads are shit
why are you faggots bumping it, it's /pol/-tier

[Anonymous No.10807152]

>>10807077
The Sun printed the truth about Hillsborough. Criminal and illiterate scousers waged a lengthy campaign to smear the good name of the police and the sun, sadly successful

[Anonymous No.10807161]

>>10807152
thanks for containing your bait in the bait thread.

[Anonymous No.10807191]

>he was a good boy he dindu nuffin

Yeah until he started fucking murdering people

[Anonymous No.10807199]

>>10807191
Just like humanity..

[Anonymous No.10807225]

>>10807144
bump

[Anonymous No.10807230]

>>10807003
top kek, i am not sure who's baiting who anymore :(

[Anonymous No.10807248]

>>10807199
all of them? stereotyping individuals because they belong to a group is racist, sweetie

[Anonymous No.10807377]

>>10807003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqdiNVzQcc

[Anonymous No.10807729]

Wasn’t he a victim though? He was an abomination brought into the world through no fault of his own because of a psycho Doctor

[Anonymous No.10807733]

>>10807003
what the fuck? is everyone at the sun a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.10807788]

>>10807733
Yes

[Anonymous No.10807815]

>>10807733
Despite working at the Sun, they aren't the brightest.

[Anonymous No.10807820]

>>10807815
ba dum tss :)

[Anonymous No.10807828]

>>10807003
So this is the power of private media...
>>10807815
Great post

[Anonymous No.10807907]

>>10807815
audible keks

[Anonymous No.10807915]

>>10807815
I'm willing to bet that this joke has been made many times before yet this is the first time I've seen it.

[Anonymous No.10807931]

>reads anything other than the morning Star
Boo

[Anonymous No.10807937]

>>10807003
This has been a common interpretation of Frankenstein's monster ever since Frankenstein came out in 1818. Why are The Sun doing this?

[Anonymous No.10807945]

>>10807003
Isn't that literally what the book was about? That man is an irresponsible, unloving creature and has no business playing God? The Monster kills no one except Frankenstein's brother, after Frankenstein abandon's the monster, leaving him to discover who and what he is on his own.

[Anonymous No.10808104]

>>10807945

The monster kills his fiance, and his best friend, among others.

[Anonymous No.10808114]

>>10808104
she was asking for it desu

[Anonymous No.10808120]

>>10807945
Yes and no. From what I remember, the monster kills several innocents (Frankenstein’s bride and a kid, to name a few) in his effort to ruin Frankenstein’s life. He’s certainly a victim, but his actions were monstrous.

[Anonymous No.10808136]

Right wingers fuckin REKT

https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/82ne2p/the_sun_uk_tabloid_accuses_snowflakes_of/

[Anonymous No.10808221]

>>10807003
Is 'The Sun' like the Onion?

[Anonymous No.10808241]

>>10807077
I would trust a tabloid journalist before I would trust a scouser to be desu

[Anonymous No.10808245]

>>10807141
Thanks god I'm an independent minded individual who reads nyt, vox the guardian and cares profoundly about Russian trolls, the plight of Marginalized victim groups such as trannies and upper middle class brown bitches

[Anonymous No.10808250]

>>10807003
is The Sun like a british clickhole or something?

[Anonymous No.10808274]

>>10807003
So, some snowflake lecturer runs to The Sun of all places to complain about his students. Nice society we have here.

Also, that is exactly what the book is about.

[Anonymous No.10808288]

>>10808250
>>10808221
It's a Murdoch owned tabloid. I would say yes to answer your questions but people do legitimately get 100% of their news and opinions from there.

[Anonymous No.10808302]

>>10807077
as always, >>96 were not enough

[Anonymous No.10808303]

>>10807003

literally the point of the book

[Anonymous No.10808313]

>>10807152
>>10808302
>>10808241
Samefag

[Anonymous No.10808319]

>>10808313
you slip once again scouser

[Anonymous No.10808336]

>>10808319
Please contain your edge

[Anonymous No.10808340]

>>10808303

It wasn't though. The book is ultimately about how monsters justify their horrible actions. The monster is not a victim. We're all born into varying degrees of shitty circumstances. Good people deal with them and shitty people blame their creator.

[Anonymous No.10808343]

>>10808336
please contain your pl titles

[Anonymous No.10808350]

>>10808343
>le football was invented in 1992 meme

[Anonymous No.10808352]

>>10807152
>smear the good name of the police

[Anonymous No.10808411]

>>10808340
>The book is ultimately about how monsters justify their horrible actions

[Anonymous No.10808437]

>>10808411

Most murderers feel righteous while committing murders. They always have some way of justifying their actions to themselves so they don't feel like a monster. Frankenstein's monster is no different. He uses his abandonment as an excuse do things he knew was wrong and that's what really made him a monster. He realizes this at the end and it drove him commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.10808465]

>>10808120
Ah, so it's literally a dark mirror of a tragic hero. An unthinking "god" creates a man whose fatal flaw is that everyone will hate him. He tries to fit into society, to learn, to help others and to be good. After continuously being driven out, shot at, berated, abused, and abandoned by his creator, he first seeks company in a similar person. In time he realizes he would just be dooming someone else to his same fate, so decides to take vengeance.

It is literally the story of Genesis in which God is not kind, is not omnipotent, is not omniscient, who has created a world that is not good.

The point of the novel is still that, for all his faults, Frankenstein's Monster is not the monster. The monster is man, and Frankenstein's creation becomes more monstrous only in so much as he becomes more like man.

[Anonymous No.10808470]

>>10808340
But Frankenstein's Monster was not born, he was made.

[Anonymous No.10808475]

>>10807003
So the same way people have been reading Frankenstein since it was fucking published?

[Anonymous No.10808476]

>>10808470

Why should the distinction matter?

[Anonymous No.10808488]

>>10808313
Do you not know what a samefag is? Or did you really believe Liverpoo and its murderous supporters are not disliked intensely by just about everybody?

[Anonymous No.10808489]

>>10808476
Because you cannot say that men are responsible for their actions, but not their creations. Frankenstein is the villain, and the monster is a classical tragic hero.

[Anonymous No.10808493]

>>10808288
That's what I thought, but this headline is so stupid and hits so many random notes ("snowflakes") that I thought I must not have known what the Sun was. There's a free conservative newspaper published in my town and even it has more class than this.

[Anonymous No.10808504]

>>10807003
Is this fucking real?

[Anonymous No.10808505]

>>10807136
the only thing she suffered was byron's big syp dick

[Anonymous No.10808510]

>>10808245
>No, you!
Heh, you really triggered that lib anon.

[Anonymous No.10808543]

>>10808489

Why does the monster being created by a human mean the monster can't be considered responsible for his own actions? No matter how awful somebodies circumstances and upbringing they're still held to account for the evil they do. The monster shouldn't be treated any differently. He murdered innocent people with full knowledge that it was wrong.

I'm not saying that Frankenstein himself isn't culpable. Neither one of them are any good and it's a mistake to view this with a black and white lens.

[Anonymous No.10808565]

>>10808543
I did not say he was not accountable for the evil he has done, but it is not enough to say that they are both capable. We need to be able to say which is worse, and Frankentsein's actions are worse by far, for he shares in all the works of his creation and he is solely responsible for the creation itself. This is the idea of scandal, and you should become more familiar with it. Unless we view the corrupter as worse than the corrupted, evil will never cease.

[Anonymous No.10808566]

>>10808543
the main thing is that Frankenstein's monster isn't a blank slate; he's an abomination and people treat him like that although he has human capacities. He furthermore never wanted to be created, therefore - although him killing people is of course bad - Frankenstein has the moral responsibility because he did not think before creating his monster, he merely did so to satisfy his God complex.

[Anonymous No.10808579]

>>10808566
You have it backwards. He is a blank slate. He is first driven by curiosity; he wants to know what he is. Only after he is abandoned does he desire company. The worse he is treated, the worse he becomes. Only his appearance was pre-determined. Now, since he had done good and had the capacity good, we can blame him for his rejection of doing good. But the blame doesn't just fall on Frankenstein, but all humanity.

[Anonymous No.10808596]

>>10807068
No, right wingers are literally this stupid

[Anonymous No.10808601]

>>10808565

Frankenstein is a Satan figure attempting to supplant God in the order of creation and the monster is a literal moral monster for submitting to his passion and murdering innocent people. Each sin is unique to the individual and they're both bad. Why do we need to say one is worse than the other?

>>10808566

As far as I know, nobody living has ever consented to being created. The monster is no different to us in that regard. Some people grow up in awful circumstances but the difference between good and bad people is how they respond to them. The monster responded poorly.

[Anonymous No.10808620]

>>10808601
The monster was created fully as it was. It had no chance to grow and it had no help in doing so. A human being, no matter how wretched, is born among his peers. The monster was denied what is necessary to live, companions and a world of its own. It was altogether apart from the human species and thus could never be happy among it.

[Anonymous No.10808637]

>>10808579
>Only his appearance was pre-determined.
He is not a true blank state because he lacks the visage of humanity; that is the irony. Internally, he has the same capacities of man, but because he lacks the semblance of humanity he is rejected.

[Anonymous No.10808653]

>>10808601
It is ridiculous to say that all sin is equal. Frankenstein is not a Satan figure. The criticism is not of the monster, but uses his failings to represent the cycle of evil present in society. We must say some things are worse than others, because there is an order to it. If one evil comes before another, then we accomplish little if we only stop the latter. Again, look up the concept of scandal.

[Anonymous No.10808667]

>>10808637
That's not what blank slate means. Blank slate refers only to one's mind, because the way others perceive you is not a trait of yourself but of them. If he's only had one hand, then he would be limited. But he was fully capable.

[Anonymous No.10808681]

>>10808245
Trannies are an actual marginalized victim group though, as opposed to upper middle class anything

[Anonymous No.10808701]

>>10808653

I'm not saying that all sin is equal by asking why we should bother arguing over which sin is worse. A person can only be culpable for their own sin so I think the question is irrelevant and pointless.

I don't understand what you mean by orders and cycles of evil, and Frankenstein being considered a Satan figure for attempting to become like God is probably the least controversial statement on any literature in the history of mankind. Maybe you have a really good reason for saying otherwise and perhaps you should share it.

[Anonymous No.10808702]

>>10807003
But the Monster *is* a victim.

[Anonymous No.10808703]

>>10808340
Frankenstein didn't ask to be born hated and loathed though. And the one he did ask for he didn't get.

[Anonymous No.10808708]

>>10808703

Nobody asks to be born and hated, yet everybody is born and many of us are hated.

[Anonymous No.10808712]

>>10808667
In this case it is the innate opportunity of a human being, that we are all granted. The monster thought he had this, but in reality he never did.

[Anonymous No.10808718]

>>10808340
The monster didn't ask to be born hated and loathed though. And the one he did ask for he didn't get.


>>10808708
>and many of us are hated.
I said born hated and loathed. Not even your /r9k/ness can earn you the intense loathing and alienation the monster suffered

[Anonymous No.10808728]

>>10808718

The monster was treated as many lepers were throughout history.

[Anonymous No.10808735]

>>10808728
If you really want to be pedantic and point out special cases, I can too by saying people loathed the monster due to his otherness, not for any disease he carried.

[Anonymous No.10808736]

While the monster genuinely thought that he was cut off from humanity and had no chance at real companionship, this wasn't a certainty. The world is a big place with many caring people and he could have conceivably made friends but he gave up. He gave up on humanity like all monsters do. He started hating society and desiring revenge. That is why he is a monster.

[Anonymous No.10808739]

>>10808701
I literally just told you why we should care. Why do you repeat your dumb question? A person is not only culpable for their own sin, they are culpable for all sin they foster.

Consider what happens to you when someone slights you in some minor way. You will feel angry, you will become distracted from whatever you were thinking about before. Your outlook of the day might even change. If you are not mindful, you will become sour, and you will start to be less kind with everyone you meet. If each individual is responsible for their choices, then they must also be responsible for all the consequences of their actions. If everyone considered morality to end at their hand, no good would be done.

As regards the orders of evil, it was you who brought it up, when you said Frankenstein is a Satan figure trying to supplant God in the order of creation. Satan is the most evil because he seeks to invert the order completely. The extent to which you sow discord and value things in the wrong order is the origin of your sin.

[Anonymous No.10808743]

>>10808735

Nobody really knew the monster. Everybody was scared off because he looked bad so why would you think it was something about his essence that turned people away from him?

[Anonymous No.10808748]

>>10808743
Sure but that is the irrational fear of the unknown that is different to the rational fear of catching diseases from lepers (or from any sick people from that matter)

[Anonymous No.10808749]

>>10808739

You're on some weird social justice shit. If a guy shoots up a school we don't hold the guy who cut him off in traffic earlier that day accountable because the school shooter is entirely responsible for his own actions.

[Anonymous No.10808757]

Who's on Page 3 today, lads?

Nobody should be giving this story the time of day. Not least because the exact same story came out in The Times 2 days ago.

Both Murdoch owned newspapers, coincidence?

[Anonymous No.10808758]

>>10808712
But he did. And at the time, it was still argued (and is still argued) whether there is this innate opportunity. Frankenstein's Monster was purposefully shown to be more than ordinarily capable--very literate, very eloquent, very strong, etc. His appearance was literally artificial and superfluous to everything society says is most important in life. The monster had more capability than other people, and it was through their fear that they spurned him. Notice how it is only the blind man who accepts him, showing that it is truly the rest of humanity that is blind.

[Anonymous No.10808790]

>>10808757
>Concern for animal rights causes students to sympathize with the murderous creature.
I bet Mary Shelley is spinning in her grave

[Anonymous No.10808792]

So I read Frankenstein years ago, and I started reading it again until I read there's different editions for the book.

Which is the most recommended?

[Anonymous No.10808795]

>>10808749
Why, if someone is wholly responsible for their own actions, can someone else not also share in the blame? You are assigning metaphysical properties to sin that are nowhere implied.

And in your shooter example, do you think that maybe part of the reason we keep getting such damaged individuals in our society is in part because we do not hold ourselves accountable? We are our brother's keeper. Unless you are living apart from all society, no one is independent. To the extent that the guy who cut off the shooter contributed to the event, that is the extent he is culpable. Of course, such a small thing is ovewhelmed by the enormous evil of the shooting. But some people certainly had a larger impact on the life of the shooter than others. His parents, his friends, his neighbors share in the guilt. His tormentors. The school officials who let the situation continue because it's too much work to change things. Evil begets evil. Until we recognize it in ourselves, how can we stand against it?

[Anonymous No.10808802]

>>10808757
Nice "media" you have there. Quite the "fourth estate."

[Anonymous No.10808809]

>>10808792
I know the guy who drew this irl

[Anonymous No.10808829]

>>10808809
wow really?
can i suck your dick

[Anonymous No.10809072]

>>10807044
>hormone therapy
>against your will
Nice delusion, gaylord

[Anonymous No.10809861]

>>10807080
>in this country
>sucks ass
Sorry, where are you from?

[Anonymous No.10809869]

>>10808596
Muh right wingers wahh

[Anonymous No.10809952]

>>10808596
Now that's a broad generalization.

[Anonymous No.10809993]

>>10808488
>ITT: Bitter Utd fans

[Anonymous No.10810001]

>>10807003

>"I'm American and I don't know what liberal means"

Fucking liberals.

[Anonymous No.10810799]

>>10808104
Technically an angry mob killed Justine, not the monster.

[Anonymous No.10811505]

>>10808792
the one with incest

[Anonymous No.10811672]

>>10809072
If you are mentally handicapped you cannot express your true will.

[Anonymous No.10811831]

>>10807010
>that's the joke

[Anonymous No.10811834]

>>10808757
>>10807003
These makes me glad that traditional newspapers is in decline. Good fucking riddance for these literal propaganda.