tfw my normie father says Moby Dick is "out of fashion"

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tfw my normie father says Moby Dick is "out of fashion" Anonymous Fri Mar 2 23:16:30 2018 No.10786231 [Reply] [Original]

Are you fucking kidding me? How am I suppose to respond to that? Punch him in the face?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 2 23:17:50 2018 No.10786236 >Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 2 23:18:43 2018 No.10786242 >>10786231 I account it high time to get to sea as soon as you can.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 2 23:33:35 2018 No.10786294 >>10786231 BECOME OEDIPUS

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 2 23:36:23 2018 No.10786299 I had a professor cite Moby Dick as an example of "bloated, cluttered writing" and bring up the "paid by the line meme," which I'm not even sure applies to Melville.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 2 23:45:24 2018 No.10786334 >>10786299 the dude died a destitute loser.

Anonymous Sat Mar 3 02:09:06 2018 No.10786637

>>10786236
I just read this line today for the first time and it stuck me well. I can see though that this type of language wouldn't register well with many, considering the general aversion to exuberant prose. And I'm not talking minimalism versus max either. There's something in these 19th century novels that's kind overwhelming but enjoyable while remaining centred and coherent, though long winded, as though a listener could stay with you paragraph to paragraph waiting for your purpose, enjoying themselves, taking pleasure in the solemness and dignity of the speaker; such that a minister after a sip of spirits has loosened his tongue begins to revel and tease the souls into their communion, and those present take no heed of his sin, for they are themselves in want of some vigour and awe to allow themselves be suspended.

>>10786299
Worse than moralists condemning heroes of the past for what was normal then are those that condemn the aesthetics of the past for what is not popular now. People like this are ridiculously ignorant sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 02:13:01 2018 No.10786643 Feels good having a patrician father. Unfortunate he got into drugs and became homeless, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 02:16:21 2018 No.10786652 >>10786231 Maybe ask him what makes him think so and have an actual discussion with him instead of running back to your room to post on the internet about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 02:32:07 2018 No.10786679 >>10786643 That's the price you pay for being patrish

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 02:35:01 2018 No.10786684 >>10786299 Probably didn't mean it, just thought of a book most normies think of as bloated and long to convey the message clearly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 02:35:28 2018 No.10786685 >>10786652 Some people refuse to discuss their declarations, if you ask them why they think that they say "I dunno, I just do lol"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 07:08:06 2018 No.10787220 >>10786236 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:10:25 2018 No.10787399 >knows his father >his father is still alive >actually talks to his father Get off my literary board, pleb

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:28:14 2018 No.10787443 File: 187 KB, 557x313, Facepalm11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >live in Eastern Europe >dad watches History Channel crap and fully buys into american propaganda >thinks US overwhwlmingly won both world wars and is the best nation on Earth

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:30:11 2018 No.10787448 >>10786231 kill his wife's son

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:33:35 2018 No.10787453 >>10787399 this, normalfags should just leave

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:42:19 2018 No.10787474 >>10786231 what a disgusting fucking painting what kind of a soyboy makes something like that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:46:20 2018 No.10787484 Moby Dick is my dad's favorite book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:52:19 2018 No.10787503 >>10786637 /thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 08:55:04 2018 No.10787512 >>10786231 Why is Moby Dick considered the great American novel when only 2 characters are American and 99% of the novel takes place on the ocean?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:18:07 2018 No.10787576 >>10787512 Because its written by an American you fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:32:09 2018 No.10787624 >>10787576 Wow I can't believe you fell for the bait, just as Moby Dick (whale) did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:33:48 2018 No.10787630 >>10787576 Doesn't make it an American book. That's like saying Lolita isn't an American book because it's written by a Russian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:37:20 2018 No.10787641 File: 45 KB, 420x420, 1-20-17-jones-stone.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10787630 >Doesn't make it an American book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:39:25 2018 No.10787647 >>10787443 >t. Russian propaganda buyer

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:40:42 2018 No.10787654 >>10787647 This. Based Polski Dad getting redpilled while his faggot son worships Stalin

Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:40:56 2018 No.10787655

>>10786231
i mean literature does literally fall in and out of fashion: there are dozens books on how shakespeare fell in and out of favour in the 400 years since he was writing. In academia Spenser and the Faerie Queene was relatively unfashionable until he had a huge revival in the 80's and 90's; T. S. Eliot played a large part in re-popularising writers like Donne and Herbert but their contemporaries Carew and Herrick remain obscure. Walter Scott and The Pilgrim's Progress both used to be bestsellers and are borderline unread now.

Your old man could be right: it seems a lot of the writers of the "American Renaissance" - Emerson, Hawthorne, Thoreau - are perhaps not read as much as they used to be amongst younger people- except when they are forced in the classroom. Moby Dick isn't immune to trends.

Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:44:18 2018 No.10787665

>>10787655
>In academia Spenser and the Faerie Queene was relatively unfashionable until he had a huge revival in the 80's and 90's;

And promptly fell out of fashion again.
I belive Melville is actually in the middle of another renaissance if anything. OP's Dad would have been right about Melville 20 years ago when the rotthen Heminites had a tight grasp on modernist departments but now there is a growing return to the bold and romantic

Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:51:25 2018 No.10787680

>>10787665
yeah i wasn't actually sure whether Melville was or was not a big noise atm; - although i do remember there was a revised edition of Pierre printed a few years ago called "The Kraken edition" or something weird.
I reckon Spenser (and Sidney) are due for another comeback soon - especially when you consider just how popular sidney was at the start of last century, particularly if you think there's an ongoing return to romance

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:53:01 2018 No.10787684 Hey >>10786231 this - >>10787655 By the way, leave us normies alone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:53:21 2018 No.10787688 >>10787641 >>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 09:56:56 2018 No.10787701 >>10787684 Kill yourself >>10787688 >>>/r/eddit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 13:15:57 2018 No.10788593 >>10787399 >muh daddy issues >op is bad

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 13:17:29 2018 No.10788604 >>10787484 Your father is a true man, unlike mine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 13:20:45 2018 No.10788622 >>10787512 So, the nationality of the characters affects the nationality of the novel? Hamlet is a Danish play? just kys please

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 13:24:05 2018 No.10788638 >>10787655 My old man happens to be Mexican and despite owning thousands of books, knows jack shit about American lit. But you're right, reading trends come and go all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 14:16:48 2018 No.10788820 >>10788593 My only daddy issue is him being dead you faggot O father why have you forsaken me

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 14:19:46 2018 No.10788833 File: 233 KB, 374x372, mnslv1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10786231 Harpoon that literal motherfucker

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 15:27:16 2018 No.10789143 >>10786231 Sounds like he's cheerfully consigned himself to perdition

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 15:36:30 2018 No.10789180 >>10786231 Nobodies mentioned but thats a fantastic drawing of Melville

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 15:39:18 2018 No.10789195 >>10789180 He did: >>10787474

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 15:39:59 2018 No.10789199 >>10789195 Ignore the one with no taste

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 15:47:13 2018 No.10789224 >>10786231 why cant I grow a beard like that? I feel like an emasculated pos

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 15:53:20 2018 No.10789245 >>10789224 Too much soy

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:00:34 2018 No.10789271 >>10786231 >great hairline >great beard genes >blue eyes >god Tier author Why do some people have everything?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:01:36 2018 No.10789278 >>10789271 He was also a depressed alcoholic

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:01:52 2018 No.10789279 >>10789271 He was also deeply depressed throughout his life and his son killed himself

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:04:45 2018 No.10789294 >>10789224 bad genes >>10789245 shut the fuck up you subhuman retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:06:23 2018 No.10789302 >>10789294 Found the soyboy

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:07:00 2018 No.10789304 >>10789302 (You)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:12:19 2018 No.10789322 >>10789302 You sound like a Trumptard, what are you even doing on /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 16:52:35 2018 No.10789493 >>10789322 Dropping important redpills on /pol/s intellectual wing

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 17:10:41 2018 No.10789574 >>10789493 >calling people soyboy is "dropping redpills" kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 3 17:27:25 2018 No.10789657 >>10789574 Memetic warfare, shift the rhizome. Praise kek

>>	Anontard Sun Mar 4 01:41:06 2018 No.10791359 >>10789657 Clean your cave, neckbeard

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 01:43:01 2018 No.10791366 >>10786637 Nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 01:45:20 2018 No.10791372 >>10786231 >having a father than reads books pleb. you don't know these levels of self advancement trustfags.

Anonymous Sun Mar 4 01:52:50 2018 No.10791394

>>10786637
You were on the right track but you had to use a semi colon. A modern way out of structure and a band aid to run-on word vomit. Before I use a semicolon, I always ask myself if it would be better to just use a full stop and continue with a fresh sentence. Other than that it was a pleasure to read your meta-drivel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 01:55:40 2018 No.10791400 >>10786231 why would you punch your father in the face for having a bad opinion?

Anonymous Sun Mar 4 01:58:52 2018 No.10791412

>>10791394
>faggot shit u wrote
>not using correct grammar
You were on the right track but you had to use a semi colon; a modern way out of structure and a band aid to run-on word vomit; Before I use a semicolon, I always ask myself if it would be better to just use a full stop and continue with a fresh sentence; Other than that it was a pleasure to read your meta-drivel;

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 02:01:26 2018 No.10791425 >>10791412 Not only are you stupid, you are also uncreative and lazy. A trait of the classic American field negroe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 02:05:09 2018 No.10791435 >>10791425 cat:mouse dog:bone nigger:chicken anon:dick ;;;;;;;!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 02:05:37 2018 No.10791436 >>10791372 I don't get what you wrote.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 02:07:01 2018 No.10791438 >>10791400 Obviously I won't...

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 02:07:05 2018 No.10791439 File: 28 KB, 512x534, smuglocke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10786231 >mfw /lit/ is triggered by some dumb boomer's thoughtless comment nice autism guys

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 02:07:36 2018 No.10791442 >>10791436 it was a shitpost tbf

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 10:03:07 2018 No.10792694 >>10787399 Fucking this. /lit/ is a dead fathers board only.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 10:34:11 2018 No.10792794 >>10792694 In the broad, it actually is..

Anonymous Sun Mar 4 10:38:24 2018 No.10792808

>>10786231
Sounds to me that he's just trying to communicate, hold some kind of dialogue, and failing poor fellow. Otherwise I would just say that it doesn't need to be fashionable because it's perennial, not at all like the shit he himself is at least theoretically reading..

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 11:01:56 2018 No.10792886 >>10786231 It is out of fashion just like 99% of books here. Most of them are long and boring as hell. Only contrarians like them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 11:41:25 2018 No.10793014 >>10792694 Art needs suffering

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 11:46:12 2018 No.10793035 >>10786231 I'll open up here. Am I the only one who reads shit like "Moby Dick" purely for its historical and cultural significance? It's so fucking boring along with most old books. Even 90 page Heart of Darkness is extremely boring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 11:49:03 2018 No.10793050 >>10793014 >implying all suffering comes from not having a father figure Holy shit, you sound like strippers with daddy issues. "I'm only special if I'm fatherless, want a bj for $10?"

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:37:08 2018 No.10793469 pic related

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:42:09 2018 No.10793497 >>10793035 Do you ever read fiction for enjoyment? Which books?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:43:17 2018 No.10793501 >>10793497 Bolaño, Cortazar, Borges.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:44:27 2018 No.10793502 >>10786231 ask him if he thinks the old man and the sea is out of fashion, and if yes, which of the two he considers better. (it's a bait question. you must test your father)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:46:19 2018 No.10793515 >>10786334 many greats do

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:49:54 2018 No.10793533 >>10793501 So anything prior to the 40s is unenjoyable for you? That’s pretty odd

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:52:52 2018 No.10793551 >>10793502 He likes Hemingway. But I have to ask him if he thinks MD is better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:53:55 2018 No.10793555 >>10793533 What do you read for enjoyment published prior the 40s?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 13:57:31 2018 No.10793573 >>10793555 tijuana bibles

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 14:08:15 2018 No.10793624 >>10793555 The Book of Margery Kempe

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 14:11:43 2018 No.10793638 >>10793624 that's it, one book? not even an author?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 4 21:38:17 2018 No.10795661 >>10793014 patriarchal suffering is far more aesthetic than the nihilistic despair of not having a father figure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 5 06:20:38 2018 No.10797212 >>10792794 That's what 4chan generally is. An amalgamation of men without a real father.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 5 06:46:14 2018 No.10797271 >>10797212 Bingo. Without a mentor, without guidance. I may be fucked up but I'm really glad that I somehow began reading books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 5 06:50:39 2018 No.10797282 >>10797271 Same, probably wouldn't be alive without them.

Anonymous Mon Mar 5 10:20:45 2018 No.10797825
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>>10793624
>the medieval equivalent of an illiterate woman's Livejournal
Excellent taste, my friend. I love how she forces her husband to take a vow of chastity, then three pages later, she informs us that she's pregnant with her sixth child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 5 10:29:48 2018 No.10797852 >>10793014 This is why our culture worships self destruction. People like you are ruining everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 5 10:31:59 2018 No.10797861 >>10793501 >>10793035 Is English your first language? If not, I understand why you wouldn't like it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 5 11:41:14 2018 No.10798113

>>10786231
>acknowledges that classics aren't fashionable anymore
>complains about YA trash being in vogue and classics declining in popularity
>REEEE SUTPIDID FADER IZ ZUCH A RETROGRADE FOR SEYING THAT WHY WONT HE LET ME PLEY WIDTH MAY KINDERGARDENER COLLEAGUES INSTEAD OF DOING HOMEWORK UHH I HATE THAT IODODOT!
b&

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 5 15:40:02 2018 No.10799153 >>10797825 Yeah she's an irritating little attention seeker, friend. I unironically hate women.

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