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Why do so many people who want to create poems today didn't even try to make them rhyme?
I get that that's just a way they can be but from 20 poems I see here about uses any kind of rhyme scheme.

>> No.10783332

Rupee kapour springs to mind

>> No.10783530

>>10782252
Because they're "people who want to create poems," as opposed to actual poets. They want the kudos, but aren't prepared to put in the work to master the discipline.

>> No.10783571

>>10783530
Basically this. Those people are far from understanding that poetry is a synthetic form of art as it incorporates semantic combinations as well as melodiousness.

>> No.10783590

Poetry actually ended when people realized they could put words to music. This happened around early 1900s iirc. The best poetry nowadays come from songwriters like Bob Dylan.

>> No.10783596

>>10783590
>when people realized they could put words to music. This happened around early 1900s iirc.
You mean 1900s BC right?

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>>10783530
>This happened around early 1900s iirc

>> No.10783614

>>10783590
This is retarded. Please, don't post anymore. Dylan may be a good lyricist but his lyrics are for singing, not for poetic declamation.

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>>10783590

>> No.10783625

Good art is about being new and fresh. Standard rhyme is old and played out. If you want to write a great new poem you have to do what everyone else before you didn't do. A rhyming poem, unless it has other innovations, will sound like a sad Romantic parody.
Too, most rhymes have been used and are cliche by now after 500 years of English poetry.

If you like reading rhyming poetry that is fine, because there are many great great poems written in this tradition. But a new poem in the old style will fail.

>> No.10783663

>>10783625
Another retard. You confuse lyrical tropes with foundations of a given art. Consonance and harmony (and therefore rhythm and rhyme) both lie in the essense of poetry. If a poem is devoid of these two, it's simply a set of words written in a column. Even a vers libre poem have a certain tempo in it.

>> No.10783666

>>10782252
>Why do so many people who want to create poems today didn't even try to make them rhyme?
I dislike rhymes, rarely do they not come of as pleasant. Poems aren't happy.

>> No.10783673

>>10783663
I guess you missed the part where I said *standard* rhyme. As in end rhyme on a metered line, following a set pattern.
Of course rhythm is important. The poem should still sound good (consonance, harmony, etc.), but it has to be done in a new way or its bound for the dump.

>> No.10783674

>>10783666
And I'm talking about the common ugly syllabic rhymes. Not other forms.
Alliteration and half-rhymes are beautiful.

>> No.10783755

>>10783673
There is nothing wrong with standard rhymes. It all depends on execution. End rhymes are especially important as they are a major component of poem's musicality. Without them a poem simply loses it's structure, it's outline. They are like musical notes.
I don't understand your contempt for classical patterns. Of course it is improtant to invent new schemes or to come up with an unconventional approach but they will too someday become "patterns". Patterns are not boundaries — they are simply 'rules' for the game. Think of haiku, one of the most rigid form of poetry. Why would japanese poets still stick to it and create great poems using this seemingly ancient form?

>> No.10783769

>>10782252
Because i don't want to rhyme.

>> No.10783786

>>10782252
I'd unironically delve into hiphop if you are into that. Complex rhyme schemes make a tale much more fluid, immersive and interesting, plus wordplay can make the small details in a poem stand out more.

>> No.10783794

>>10783755
I don't have any contempt for classical poetical structures. I love them and some of my favorite poets and poems use them masterfully. But I would never write a poem like that today. Unless you do something new within the old structure the poem is bound to be boring. A sonnet can still be used to great effect.. as long as there is something else to make it interesting. To separate it from the millions of other sonnets.

There has been lots of inovation in haikus too. Modern haikus increasingly don't use the standard 17 on (syllables) and frequently don't use nature as the subject.

>> No.10783795

>>10783786
Seconded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7UuBuLqHRM

>> No.10783821

>>10783794
But you can take an old structure and fill it with "modern" content.
As I said before, poetry has a double nature. You can be innovating by using unconventional images and meanings or by putting an intricate wordplay within a typically classic rhyme scheme. Novelty is not only in form but in content too.

>> No.10783838

>>10783821
I know, I said that too

>> No.10783848

>>10783838
So you do agree that one can still write "a great new poem" using standard rhymes?

>> No.10783864

>>10783794
So the only thing that's ever interesting about a poem is it's structure?

>> No.10783896

>>10783848
>>10783864
I said
>A sonnet can still be used to great effect.. as long as there is something else to make it interesting. To separate it from the millions of other sonnets.

I've written hundreds of sonnets (and other classic structures). Because they are great for new poets to perfect their skills. Like picaso was a great realist painter before he started cubism.
But none of my poems that I have submitted to be published, or show to anyone are in classical structures. It's possible to be innovative within those forms, but there's more room for innovation outside of them.
Personally I believe art should strive to be new. Respect and understand the traditions of the past, but move on.

>> No.10783933

>>10783864
Did you even read the post?

>> No.10784071

>>10783795
A prime example.

>> No.10785666

They think poetry is saying some "deep" platitude.

>> No.10785687

>>10783590
Hello r/eddit. Nice of you to visit.

>> No.10785721

metre and rhyme are rebellious and unorthodox and must be punished. freeform is the only acceptable kind of poetry. all dissenters will be eliminated. do not write using "classical" forms unless you wish to face the consequences...

>> No.10785961

>>10783590
This is partly true.

It decreased the relevancy of meter because in recorded recitation (as opposed to say writing) you can arbitrarily subdivide a syllable's delivery into halves, thirds, so forth, to create rhythmic flows that a reader of poetry on paper wouldn't know how to create.

Meter exists because the reader doesn't know the intended flow, and has to go with something standardized.

However in music you can have one line with 14 syllables and another with 18, but still have the same rhythm/time signature because you arbitrarily speed up or slow down syllable delivery. Rap codified this in a really obvious way but it always existed in recitation and singing.

There's a shitty vox video that explains this in a really liberal pleb way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3la8bsi4P-c

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>>10783590

>> No.10787616

>>10786549
This satire/critique is actual poetry

>> No.10787785

Step aside plebs

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