/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10753956]

>transcends postmodernism before it even started

no wonder we are in philosophical stagnation

[Anonymous No.10753965]

>>10753956
What we need is someone to go back to the Greeks, blow them the fuck out, and build off of that new foundation

[Anonymous No.10753967]

How far are you through the 12 Rules? I bought a lobster tank last week, can't wait to set 'er up.

[Anonymous No.10753980]

>>10753967
/lit/ has Peterson-PTSD by now, you can't talk about postmodernism without him becoming the subject of the conversation

[Anonymous No.10753989]

>>10753980
I mean comeon, can we not talk about postmodernism anymore without it becoming a peterson thread

[Anonymous No.10754000]

>>10753965
>tfw when no one has actually started with the Greeks, including the Greeks

[Anonymous No.10754006]

>>10753956
Horrible, horrible thread. Embarrassing. An ephemeral little thought better left unrecorded. It is neither impressive nor true nor can it possibly birth interesting discussion. God! What the fuck!!! Why OP? Who are you? What intelligence... what dread hand and what dread feet... lay behind this thread... what fingers clicked and clacked and what eyes summoned their words to their final destination... WHY have you done this to me OP.

[Anonymous No.10754015]

>>10753965
Thats what Nietzsche and Heidegger did
What now smartypants

[Anonymous No.10754017]

>>10753989
>Le Nietzsche is ubermench xDD DAE think pomo's got BTFO before he even inspired the discipline??
>every second thread
I wonder who's to blame

[Anonymous No.10754118]

>>10754015
Well we I guess need to get rid of religion then go from there

[Anonymous No.10754184]

>>10754000
Start with the Hyperboreans?

[Anonymous No.10754213]

>>10754015
>Nietzsche
>BTFO'ing the Greeks
No, he BTFO'd Socrates and Plato, thus revitalizing them.

[Anonymous No.10755114]

>>10754000
I literally did, desu. As a kid, my father would read to me about mythology. The first non-children's book I read myself was Sophocles' Oedipus the King, and that's also what got me into reading. I went on to read other plays by Sophocles, which got me into the Greeks in general (since, to understand what Sophocles was saying, I had to look up quite a bit about mythology anyway).

[Anonymous No.10755492]

>>10754118
Nope. Try again, statist. We won't suck your state cock.

[Anonymous No.10755503]

>whole fucking board thinks """postmodernism""" is a thing
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[Anonymous No.10755511]

NEETzsche was right about everything

[Anonymous No.10755520]

>>10753956
>anticipates Nietzsche by more than 2000 years, only to destroy him immediately

Neech's hatred of Plato is nothing but butthurt.

[Anonymous No.10755579]

>>10755511

What happens when you start reading philosophy at schopes and stop at heidegger.

[Anonymous No.10756989]

>>10753956
GINIOUS

[Anonymous No.10757001]

I find it funny about Neetche that he simltaneously champions a very strong scientism and a crass way of viewing reality, while at the same time being a perspectivist. It's like he allows you to be a postmodern wacko --by claiming all truth is equal at an epistemological level--, but at the same time he would find you repugnant and a pleb of the worst order if you chose that path.

[Anonymous No.10757090]

>>10757001
>all truth is equal at an epistemological level
He didn't claim that.

[Anonymous No.10757106]

>>10757090
instead of making these pointless feminine posts, you could have said 'Nietzsche actually meant x' and contributed something

[Anonymous No.10757151]

>>10753989
>can we not talk about postmodernism anymore without it becoming a peterson thread
no. the left wingers are too stupid and emotional to not simply lash out and shitpost all discussion into oblivion. They are post-modernist after all.

[Anonymous No.10757154]

>>10757106
There is no "actually meant" here because I have no idea what the other poster is even referring to from Nietzsche. As far as I know, he didn't even read Nietzsche besides a summary. If he had pointed out a specific passage and had drawn his conclusion from that, I would have corrected him more thoroughly.

You should stop enabling people to get away with less reading. For the benefit of the board people need to read more and use direct passages when making statements on authors and philosophers.

[Anonymous No.10757182]

>>10757151
dios mio

[Anonymous No.10757195]

>>10757151
This doesn't make sense. The amerimutt is staunchly pro-guns.

[Anonymous No.10757219]

>>10757154
Yes he did. He claimed all knowledge is selectively acquired depending on the knower's value system.

[Anonymous No.10757233]

>>10757219
You would have to provide the passage(s) where this is said and where the contradiction you claim to have found in him is suggested.

[Anonymous No.10757256]

>>10757195
thats the shaved headed monstrosity that CNN has been shilling nonstop to convince americans to give up their guns

[Anonymous No.10757288]

>>10757233
This is mainstream Nietzsche my friend, I am exaggerating for bait purposes, however.

[Anonymous No.10757324]

>>10754213
and how did he do that

>>10753965
the greeks were right

[Anonymous No.10757581]

>>10757324
By recognizing Socrates' hatred for life in his dying words, and identifying Socrates and Plato as the symptoms of ancient Greece's degeneration, and pinning them for sharing a physiological attribute that made them think what they did. In summa:

>Socrates was plebs. We know, we can still see for ourselves, how ugly he was.

Read Twilight of the Idols.

Then Nietzsche proceeded to weave a brand new philosophy inspired in the original form of ancient Greece by bringing back their polytheistic love for life with his perspectivism and will to power, which ever since the world has become increasingly more built upon.

[Anonymous No.10757582]

>>10754015
...but they didn't.
Nietzsche' criticism of Sócrates is the kind of thing you'd expect from someone who has never read any dialogue.
Heidegger's attempt is simplicistic and puerile to the point of self parody.

[Anonymous No.10757585]

>>10755492
This 10 billions times.

[Anonymous No.10757589]

>>10757090
He didn't "claim" much of anything for What matters.

[Anonymous No.10757678]

>>10755520
>muh vurshoo
You don't understand either. Good job.

[Anonymous No.10757688]

>>10755520
reading the Republic always gives me a strong feeling that philosophy in general is just endless musical chairs of redefinition

[Anonymous No.10757784]

>>10757688
The Republic was the earliest work of dystopian fiction. It was a thought experiment to get us to consider what radical systemic change can do to a society.

[Anonymous No.10757804]

>>10754006
Sasuga

[Anonymous No.10757821]

>>10754006
i would, if in the correct environment, take your eyes and pinky fingers from you for this gay post
>>10755492
Religion is statist all faiths require hierarchy and thus an implicit state, you got memed on by Tolstoy and Ellul and if you’re a right wing christian “”””anarchist””” lol at you
>>10754017
here’s a arrow for (You)
>>10754184
>all the spirituals wuz us we wuz the greeks dawg look the Thayshuns be in northern vicinity of Greece and in Macedon they musta been da Greeks dawg shiet dawg da Greeks was like in Egypt and shiet and da Phoenicians musta been whie shit dawg this wuz us dawg pontic steppe PIE yamna shiet maine can’t you be understanding any of dat shiet nigga?
>>10755503
it is
>>10757233
hahahahahahahaha fucking pseud faggot
>>10757784
no it wasn’t you little scared marmot, do caste systems and wise rulers frighten your mammal blood?

[Anonymous No.10758057]

>>10757821
>do caste systems and wise rulers frighten your mammal blood?
cool argument. Now explain how anyone in Athens would have read the stripping the personal choice of vocation, raising of children in commons, and the banning of all poets/poetry from the city, with any feeling other than horror.

[Anonymous No.10758086]

>>10754000
I started with shitty novels, but to me "start with the greeks" means "restart with the greeks", which I did. It's like it's not the same kind of reading. It's having a learner's mindset while reading, and reading the right material: philosophy, literature, the greeks.
So "(re)start with the greeks" is to read the greeks when you finally want to learn, when it becomes a choice, after childhood when you learn automatically.

[Anonymous No.10758101]

>>10754000
>tfw i´m actually already doing it

[Anonymous No.10758107]

>>10758101
good

now move "the fuck" on

[Anonymous No.10759677]

>>10757821
>religion is statist all faiths require hierarchy and thus an implicit state
Nope. Try again, ignorant retard.
>right wing
>anarchist
No such thing exists. Try again, retard.

[Anonymous No.10761483]

>>10753956
But we've already transcended Post-Modernism

It did end in the 90s you know

[Anonymous No.10761691]

>>10753965
https://epochemagazine.org/nietzsches-rift-heidegger-s-pathway-to-thinking-e0fc0febf09d

[Anonymous No.10762603]

>>10757821

Sorry friend, but you obviously do not know what you're talking about, and seem to be contributing to the overall decline in quality of the thread.

>rightwing anarchist
>ad homs

Good thing we're anonymous.

[Anonymous No.10763037]

If anything he prefigured postmodernism. The first book of beyond good and evil is postmodernism par excellence.
He didn't transcend anything. Nietzsche is great but you have to realize his limitations. He hinted at transcending postmodernism but he was way too incoherent to be capable of doing so. Richard Rorty, another postmodernist par excellence, got that Nietzsche did all the same skeptical epistemology as himself, but couldn't resist braggadocio with an objective air a few pages later in the same books. This isn't transcending postmodernism; it's just self contradiction, which is well within the postmodern norms.

[Anonymous No.10763088]

>>10753956
Too late, we meta modernism now.

[Anonymous No.10763142]

>>10757821
>Religion is statist all faiths require hierarchy and thus an implicit state, you got memed on by Tolstoy and Ellul and if you’re a right wing christian “”””anarchist””” lol at you
Huh dude. Have you even heard of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Everything is a meme compared to what Jesus preached. He is the ultimate anarchist. I mean it in all intellectual honesty, I'm not even religious