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what philosophical/political writers were opposed to people like John Stuart Mill's view of liberty? specifically ones that have works showing said opposition. I don't care so much about utilitarianism, just the liberty aspect

>> No.10716330

Read this and the follower paragraphs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty#Contradiction_to_utilitarianism

>> No.10716333

>>10716330
*following

>> No.10716548

>>10716276
His formulation of liberty is pretty damn sophisticated. You kinda have to judge ethicists based on the particulars of when they apply their frameworks, though. Mill had very little interest in apologism for imperialism -- he simply viewed it as the natural course of things, much as academics in the present endorse all sorts of disturbing state actions all day.

He was a brilliant moral thinker, but failed to apply his philosophical skills aptly or defensibly in his political life.

I don't really mean to rag on him, but I do consider him to be in a different category from the great political economists, Smith, Ricardo, and Marx in particular.

>> No.10716550

>>10716276
Shit, forgot to link to an interesting recent talk given by Chomsky.

>> No.10716575

>>10716276
>>10716550
Whoops, forgot again. Sorry, I'm really fucked up on speed.

https://chomsky.info/20140107/

>> No.10717693

>>10716330
>>10716575
thank you both. I will give them a look.