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10706459 No.10706459[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Does reading Harry Potter make you a school shooter?

>> No.10706472

Women shouldn't teach high school English.

>> No.10706474

>>10706459
that is certainly the implication of the tweet

>> No.10706475

>>10706459
I unironically agree with him.

>> No.10706485

>>10706475
Vey Nazi of you.

>> No.10706491

>>10706459
anything other than "trivial access to military hardware by the mentally ill" is an acceptable answer, so sure. it's all because of harry potter and, uh, doom? oh and "feminist art projects"

>> No.10706495

Well, the paths available to a Western white male are pathological to the degree that it's surprising that we don't see more of them desu.

>> No.10706499

Someone explain the "No!" thing to me.

>> No.10706504

>>10706459
Is there a bigger pile of human waste than Kantbot?

>> No.10706507

>>10706504
You?

>> No.10706510
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>>10706459
Isn't Kantbot one of us?
Why is he making bad tweets.

>"The next person to infringe on my second amendment is getting shot"
is much better.

>> No.10706514

>>10706495
>Well, the paths available to a Western white male are pathological to the degree that it's surprising that we don't see more of them desu.
Most just kill themselves.

>> No.10706518

>>10706491
Miltary hardware isn't available to civilians, rifles aren't military just because they're made of black plastic instead of wood.

That said, the gun banning ship has sailed long ago so it would be good to focus on mental illness instead, another thing that America is world leader in.

>> No.10706519

>>10706504
Was Kantbot the fat guy talking about German idealism and Thule on television?

>> No.10706523

>>10706499
The tiger
He has not destroyed his cage
No
NO
The tiger is not out

>> No.10706543

American culture has been hung up on violent retribution/redemption for a long time desu. For an American, the noblest thing you can do is be the "good guy" and kill people

>> No.10706556

I grew up with Harry Potter and the rest of that list and neither me nor any acquaintance ever went on a shooting spree.
Maybe the problem lies with *mericans and their gun boner, not with Harry Potter or feminist art projects or whatever.

>> No.10706560

>>10706518
>Miltary hardware isn't available to civilians,
>Americans run around with gigantic rifles and shoot each other
>somehow that's not military hardware

Further proof that the US is as culturally distant from Europe as Iran

>> No.10706561

Every person I know who read Harry Potter as a child came out emotionally and intellectually stunted. Those books have a lobotomizing effect for sure, but I doubt theyre causing any of this violence.

>> No.10706563

>>10706518
>Miltary hardware isn't available to civilians, rifles aren't military just because they're made of black plastic instead of wood.

what's a legitimate civilian application for the ar15 that couldn't be fulfilled by other firearms that are also less convenient for gunning down crowds?

>> No.10706569

>>10706459
I have my little theory that a big chunk of "people of Asperger's" are simply archetypes of traditional men. The modern world is unbearable to them, with its hyper-socialisation, its loud noises and bright lights. And this modern world is unescapable.
So generally they "burnout", but sometimes, with the addition of bullying or something else, they snap and fight back. That's how Ted Kacynski started bombing people and how others became school shooters.

>> No.10706580

>>10706459
No but public schooling does. They need to abolish the entire school curriculum and replace it with periodic standardized testing. Parents will be in charge of their child's education. Private schools or voluntary communal schools could be alternatives.

>> No.10706592

>>10706561
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2018/02/jk-rowling-created-army-liberals-now-they-are-turning-against-her

>Alice’s magic wand is made of pine, and it has a phoenix feather in its core. The 17-year-old Italian knows this because she uses Pottermore, a website where Harry Potter fans take quizzes to find out what life would be like if they lived in the wizarding world. On Twitter, she spends two hours a day updating her profile with clips, quotations and pictures from the books and films. But while Alice loves everything about Harry Potter (she has read each of the seven books 14 times), she does not like JK Rowling.

>“I strongly dislike her,” Alice (who does not wish to disclose her surname) says. “I just think she wrote many beautiful things in Harry Potter, but she doesn’t live up to them in real life.”

>> No.10706594

>>10706569
They're the complete opposite of a traditional man. They are, more than anyone else, a product of our rotten american society. Also this doesn't happen in other western countries, unsurprisingly.

>> No.10706597

Free to buy guns but you can’t play online poker or drink alcohol in the street

hm

>> No.10706602

>>10706523
:(
>>10706499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l7y0mO70V0

>> No.10706607

>>10706459
There are like a million better philosophers than Plutarch he could have used as examples.

>> No.10706612

>>10706556
>dude let’s abolish the sacred rights of hundred of millions of innocent civilians lmao

whoa... so this your brain on gun control...

>> No.10706618

>>10706563
Overthrowing the bourgeoisie

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>>10706569
>"archetypes"

>> No.10706623

>Don't read Plutarch
>become violent maniac

Is it bound to happen to me too?

>> No.10706627

>>10706569
this is backwards, if they were traditional men they would be fighting tooth and nail to make the world conform to their will, instead they just sit there and wait for the world to spontaneously meet their fantasies and desires, growing more frustrated until they finally decide to punish the world for the imaginary crime of not pandering to them enough.

>> No.10706629

>>10706519
yes

>> No.10706630

>>10706560

You know absolutely nothing about guns

>> No.10706631

>>10706612
>owning a gun is a sacred right
Stop being melodramatic.
>>10706556
I think there are a good deal of young men who feel they have no place in society because of those things. Still wouldn't go as far as to say they're the cause of this violence.

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>ITT:

>> No.10706635

Why were there not regular school shooting before? Were guns hard to come by in the past?

Or is it that culture has changed?

>> No.10706638

I'll give up my right to own guns when the rich and the state give up their fascist bodyguards (the police and military)

>> No.10706640

>>10706519
yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

>> No.10706642

>>10706560
>all rifles are military

>>10706563
gunning down crowds is the whole purpose of the second amendment. how are you going to defend yourself from tyranny with weapons that aren't good at shooting people?

if anything select fire and full auto weapons need to be available to citizens for that purpose.

i'm not even a yank desu but this is all pretty obvious.

>> No.10706643

>>10706563
Ban the ar15 and all you have done is gotten rid of a single type of semi automatic rifle. Blaming all the mass shootings on a single rifle and banning it because it looks scary is not going to do anything

>> No.10706646

>>10706631

rebellion to tyranny is obedience to god, come and take our firearms yourself you fucking coward you want to send the police to do you dirty work of oppression

>> No.10706649

>>10706635
Back then we just went West and shot dirty fucking Injuns on the way.

>> No.10706650

This is actually really disgusting if you think about it. A fucking dickhead on twitter blaming education to distract away from the fact that allowing people to carry guns freely leads to people using said guns because he's brainwashed by the gun lobby. Americans will do or say anything to defend their capitalist overloads.

>> No.10706654

>>10706650
>because he's brainwashed by the gun lobby.
I doubt a fat fuck who's a big fan of German idealism ever got in contact with the gun lobby. God forbid people actually have convictions and opinions about things, right?

>> No.10706656

>>10706650
No schools no school shootings kiddo

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>>10706650
gun rights are the most egalitarian thing in the world, m8

>> No.10706661

>>10706650
American Communists are pro-gun tho

>> No.10706665

>>10706607
i think he means that they should be reading about the lives of great men for instruction but i'm pretty sure if eric harris or whoever read the lives of caesar and alexander he would just conclude that he totally deserves to be as respected as those guys except the assholes at school are failing to recognize it and thus need to get shot.

>> No.10706668

>>10706650
>>10706650
>the oppressors would benefit from an armed populace

lmao read 10 pages of marx you moronic neoliberal zombie

>> No.10706670

>>10706650
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -Mao

"Only the capitalist establishment should have guns." -You

>> No.10706673

>>10706655
>>10706661
Europe commie here. Having guns is uncivilised.

>> No.10706678

>>10706673
>Europe commie
Redundant.

>> No.10706679

>>10706654

The gun lobby don't influence people directly. They influence people through politics. You think every conservative who believes climate change is a hoax is personally paid by BP?

>>10706655

So is civilians not having access to guns without legitimate reason.

>>10706668

The only argument for an armed populace is ideological. In reality, its been proven to be a bad idea. Just because Marx or George Orwell or whatever said something doesn't mean I'll agree with it.

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>>10706650
>>10706673
Euro non-Meds deserve the wall.

>> No.10706694

>>10706673
That's idiotic. Do you actually believe you'll achieve a Communist state through peaceful democratic means alone?

>> No.10706695

>>10706459
No, that person is just a complete moron.

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>>10706673
>don't defend yourself it's against bourgeois values!

You're a sad excuse for a commie.

>> No.10706700

>>10706650
While I do think the availability of guns are what makes these attacks possible, it doesn't create the desire to carry them out. It wouldn't surprise me if the things listed really do alienate young men to such a point.

>> No.10706703

>>10706679
>So is civilians not having access to guns without legitimate reason.
No, that is anti-egalitarian because then only the henchmen of the political class are armed. This shouldn't be that hard a concept to grasp.

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>>10706670
>>10706668
>>10706665
>>10706655
>Americlaps unironically think that a bunch of rednecks with guns could oppose the strongest military in the world

>> No.10706706

>>10706673
The proletariat not having the means to preform revolution is a good thing?

>> No.10706708

>>10706673
Vy komunisti jste takoví zkurvenci až je mi z toho na blití. V SSSR by tě nechali zastřelit, vole.

>> No.10706716

>>10706706
Pea shooters aren't the "means to revolution" against a government that, if properly motivated, could smear your town across the map.

>> No.10706718

>>10706705
wouldn't be the first time the us military got BTFO by peasants

>> No.10706728

>>10706716
Except they have shown to be exactly that in every revolution since the pea shooter was invented.

>> No.10706735

>>10706607
My man, did you just confuse Plutarch with Plotinus?

>> No.10706736

>>10706459
>Kantbot

Neo-Nazi pseud opinion discarded

>> No.10706737

>>10706700

>it doesn't create the desire to carry them out

I think it does. Its been proven when you are carrying a weapon such as knife, you're more likely to use it in a situation that doesn't warrant it. And no, reading Harry Potter and being educated on feminism doesn't make people kill a bunch of fellow humans. Its mental illness, propaganda such as the crap Kantbot is spewing and access to guns.

>>10706703

>only the henchmen of the political class are armed
>legitimate use

It would be nice if we didn't have a political class, but even in a neo-marxist society there will still to be people trusted to protect others with access to weapons. Weapons aren't even useful for revolution, revolutions happen when the military stops protecting the ruling class, not when a bunch of randroids decide to take over a government compound and holding out a few months before getting taken out.

>> No.10706738

>>10706706
The proletariat doesn't exist anymore brainlet

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>>10706705

>> No.10706750

>>10706740
All of those are extremely unrealistic, especially if you consider Americans are a bunch of obese ADHD morons.

>> No.10706754

>>10706740
Interesting, thanks

>>10706750
Zzzzz.....

>> No.10706756

>>10706735
if you want to be generous he might have been thinking of moralia which do have philosophical material in them although the tweet is pretty obviously referring to lives

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Not sure, OP, but I know I sure wanted to shoot up a school after slogging my way through one of the dullest franchises in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>> No.10706759

The government has violated my second amendment rights by taking away my legal ownership of icbm's and mustard gas. We can't have the proper means to defend ourselves as a militia against a tyrannical government without Apache attack helicopters.

>> No.10706763

>>10706737
>being educated on feminism doesn't make people kill a bunch of fellow humans
I disagree. There's a rather large subset of men who are well aware that the advancements of women have been at their expense. These men then project their worthlessness onto the rest of the population and channel their anger into violence against them.

And so-called benefits feminism claims it has for men are immaterial.

>> No.10706765

>>10706491
Switzerland is the country with the highest gun ownership alongside the US and yemen, yet there are absolutely no mass shooting/school shooting/gun criminality. It's just that the US is fucked up. Not the guns. You have drawers full of knives, you know. You have way better odds surviving a gun wound than a knife wound.

>> No.10706766

>>10706759
This but unironically.

>> No.10706767

>>10706756
It's a reference to Rousseau who read Plutarch as a child and said children should read Plutarch

>> No.10706770

>>10706705
>implying the military isnt just a bunch of rednecks with guns

>> No.10706774

>>10706754
>Interesting, thanks
Do you realize that's all made up, right?

>> No.10706776

>>10706708
Super jezik, morončino. Samo retardirani komunisti koji ne znaju ništa o povijesti žele da se SSSR ponovi.

>> No.10706777

>>10706763

>There's a rather large subset of men who are well aware that the advancements of women have been at their expense

You mean a rather large subset of young men who've been brainwashed by alt-right propaganda and, contrary to what we said, actually WEREN'T educated on feminism?

>And so-called benefits feminism claims it has for men are immaterial.

This makes no sense. By definition any societal benefit is immaterial or abstract.

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American politics is a CIA ploy lmao kinda crazy americans don't even WANT to know.

>> No.10706779

>>10706635
shhhhhhh goy don't look at history you might learn something :^((( just watch colbert and consume consume consume CONSUME CONSUME CONSUMECONSUMECONSUMECONSMEUCONSMEUCOSNEUMCMEONSUCONSUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMEEEEEEE

>> No.10706782

>>10706770
And tanks, elicopters, technology, resources, etc

>> No.10706783

>sniveling commies want the exact capitalist government they despise to send their cronies and police to disarm the people

Wewing my lads

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>>10706737
if you allow the political class to determine what reasons to own guns are legitimate then overthrowing them will never be one of them.

also, the military will stop protecting the ruling class a lot sooner if they are forced to fight their fellow countrymen in a situation where the latter actually poses a threat.

you're severely underestimating what an armed and determined populace can do.

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10706788

Has /lit/ ever parsed a sentence before?

>> No.10706794

>>10706776
Všichni komouši jsou retardovaní by default.

(Kinda interesting how "povijest" seems to mean "history". In Czech "pověst" means "legend". Similal, yet fundamentally diferent.)

>> No.10706800

>>10706777
>You mean a rather large subset of young men who've been brainwashed by alt-right propaganda and, contrary to what we said, actually WEREN'T educated on feminism
No one living in a western country doesn't have a rudimentary education to feminsim. Your ideology is the propaganda; stop blaming the victims who dare to respond.
> This makes no sense. By definition any societal benefit is immaterial or abstract.
Feminsim has caused serious improvements to the material conditions of women's lives. Men have gained nothing of the sort from it, and when it comes down to it have probably lost quite a bit.

>> No.10706802

>>10706757
I only opened the thread to find this post. Well done, anon.

>> No.10706803

>>10706694
>>10706696
>>10706706
No, you morons. You take guns only for the revolution and then get rid of them. How do you expect your country to be civilised if you have cunts with guns everywhere? And why do you think you need so many guns? Vietnam fucking destroyed America even though America had better equipment. And in the Russian revolution soldiers fucking joined the people they were ordered to shoot. There's no excuse to have cunts walking around with guns everywhere. Go fetishise something else.

>> No.10706806

>>10706705
Who do you think the soldiers in the army are?

>> No.10706807

>>10706459
Kantbot is an extremely disappointing human being because you know that he can apply himself to something if he really tried but he's afraid of rising out of his mediocrity in any meaningful way and therefore covers it up with some really cynical self-defeating humor. He doesn't want to be taken seriously because he's afraid of being judged seriously. He thinks he's hit this intellectual sweet spot where he can say anything he wants but really he is trapped by his irony and cowardice. Certainly there's nothing wrong with wielding humor, but it's extremely obvious that he is being disingenuous and defensive when he does. He may think it's low cost to build his persona around saying ridiculous things nobody can fully take seriously but it's only going to snowball and harm him in the long run. On here this only ever works because everyone's anonymous.

>> No.10706810

>>10706785

We don't though. American citizens could've taken the guns off the police and military any time they wanted by voting democrat until they could get enough regulations past to restrict their use. The problem is, Americans have been brainwashed into thinking if everyone doesn't have guns the world will end. There is always going to have to be someone who decides who gets access to weapons and what a legitimate use for them is.

>overthrowing them will never be one of them.


I've said before, you can't overthrow the government with guns alone. You need the military to either allow you get to the political class or be on your side. Which typically happens once a large enough amount of citizens start rioting/protesting, because the military are going to have family members in that group and start to sympathize. Even if you don't have access to weapons, in the case of tyranny its still relatively straightforward to even the ground. The IRA still managed to fight the British government with bombs and so forth.

>> No.10706812

>>10706459
Is this was school in Florida is like, I don't remember any of this.

>> No.10706818

>>10706800
>stop blaming the victims who dare to respond.
Why doesn't this happen in the other western countries, which are often far more advanced on equality issues?
Really makes you think doesn't it.

>> No.10706822

>>10706794
I have to agree that many communists are retarded by default, but I have to put capitalists in that category too. Both systems are a train wreck.

(What exactly does zkurvenci mean? I know the kurva part meaning prostitute. Hehe kurva is something that all slavs share.)

>> No.10706825

>>10706563
The point is that the AR isn't particularly more convenient than any other rifle or even firearm, even a lever gun could cause great amounts of harm.

>> No.10706830

>>10706774
No. How is it made-up? It seems like one knowledgeable person's opinion.

>> No.10706831

>>10706788
But there are no free states in the USA

>> No.10706832

>>10706800

>No one living in a western country doesn't have a rudimentary education to feminsim

Except for the millions of right wingers and alt-righters who don't seem to have the slightest clue on it apparently.

>Your ideology is the propaganda; stop blaming the victims who dare to respond.

Fuck off knobhead. If you're seriously so fragile that considering how women have been oppressed and disadvantaged in the past and talking about how they still are makes you violent enough to kill a bunch of random, then you deserve a fucking bullet through your brain seriously. So does anyone who defends the likes of Elliott Rodger. Not interested in talking with someone as vile as you. You feel marginalized and vulnerable? Good you fucking waste of space.

>> No.10706835

>>10706803
>postrevolution america will never have psychopaths or the mentally deranged
>postrevolution america will never have malicious agents or exploitative reactionaries
>postrevolution america will never face hostile foreign powers
fucking commies are so retarded, the execution of revolution is one of the few things that communism gets right and you want to throw it in the trash. What's the matter, afraid you might succeed?

>> No.10706837

>>10706788
Does it matter? That's why the constitution had provisions for amending it as a living document.

>> No.10706842

>>10706803
>take guns
From where?
How do you plan to get guns if your government already took them away? Do you plan to steal them from the military? The police and military are armed to the teeth and are going to defend their overlords with whatever it takes. How do you take them on without guns?
>vietnam
Vietnam suffered massive casualties compared to Americans. American leadership was just retarded as usual. Plus Vietnam was a struggle against a foreign imperial power not the proletariat against the domestic bourgeoisie
If you're willing to count on the military to fight for Communism rather than the bourgeoisie then more power to you but I don't want to bank on that.

>> No.10706844

>>10706728
Too bad those were revolutions were in 20th century

>> No.10706852

>>10706832
Men have always been the more oppressed. Vastly higher murder rates, higher suicide rates, lower life expectancy, higher accident rates, all the shit jobs men have to work, the draft, etc.

The entirety of civilization was built just to defend and protect women and they had the gall to complain about it.

>> No.10706858

>>10706822
"Zkurvenec" is an alternative to "zkurvysyn" (lit. "son of a kurva").

While the base meaning is indeed "whore, prostitute", in Czech "kurva" can be used as a generic insult for anyone, males too. I guess "bastard" or "jerk" is an okay rendition in English. Zkurvenec/zkurvenec is then a more fancy way of saying that.

>> No.10706861

>>10706807
He's just making content brah, scaling up the content ladder. Big props.

>> No.10706863

>>10706788
That's not how syntax trees work at all

>> No.10706867

>>10706842
Every revolutions' success is dependent on whether the military is opposed to it though

>> No.10706870

>>10706863
anxiously awaiting your argument
- anon

>> No.10706874

>>10706842
>from where?
Americans have a shitload of them already, dont they? Musk just sold 20k flamethrowers. I mean, why not just give up guns once the revolution is over? Inb4 we might get a tyrannical government like USSR and then we'll need them again. That's why the left needs a good plan instead of just overthrowing the state and then installing the new bourgeoisie and a dictator.

>> No.10706877

>>10706852
I seriously don't get what more women need or want in current times. They're getting the nice white collar jobs in droves.

>> No.10706879

>>10706830
it relies entirely on numbers pulled out of thin air and idiotic "folk wisdom" about the behavior of institutions and states ("russia would obviously do x"). it reads like some zombie survival fanfiction with the zombies scrubbed out. god help you if you believe any old bullshit as long as it has an authoritative tone and some jargon picked up from conspiracy forums.

>> No.10706881

>>10706874
Lmao such idealistic drivel

>> No.10706882

>>10706800
>stop blaming the victims who dare to respond.
Stop blaming the kids who gun down other kids? No.

>> No.10706886

>>10706459
>white

>> No.10706887

>>10706803
Socialists have been lynched by the KKK and Nazis for decades while the police sit idle while it happens. Sometimes the police do it themselves. The police and military use violence to harass protesters and unionists. Terrorize disadvantaged communities
My support of guns isn't solely revolution based. Leftists should be armed. Maybe the situation is different in Europe but this is how it is in the US

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>>10706874
>Needing a plan from the get go
>not pretending to be reformist to showcase the failure of the system to correct itself and then letting a revolution occur organically

>> No.10706898

>>10706794
>Kinda interesting how "povijest" seems to mean "history". In Czech "pověst" means "legend"

and the polish "powieść" means "novel"

>> No.10706904
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>>10706852

>Men have always been the more oppressed. Vastly higher murder rates, higher suicide rates, lower life expectancy, higher accident rates, all the shit jobs men have to work, the draft, etc.

Ah yes, because feminists NEVER consider those problems do they? They just hate men. That's the only reason they have to be feminist. Darn those stupid women, caring about male suppression of emotions and harmful behaviors!

Also, you're chatting shit. Throughout most of history women have been completely denied any freedom.

>> No.10706905

>>10706740
fascinating

>> No.10706907

>>10706765
It's almost as if the United States' pathological individualism and multiculturalism is to blame for the alienation of young men.

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10706912

>>10706907
>pathological individualism
u wot

>> No.10706913

>>10706879
I found it to be an interesting analysis and I don't find his speculation about what foreign nations would do in the event of an American civil war entirely unconvincing. You're just asserting random stuff without any evidence too.

>> No.10706924

>>10706870
Nigga I'm not going to draw out a syntax tree for you, take an intro to Linguistics course. That pseudo grammar tree is incoherent and likely ideological polemics.

>> No.10706925

>>10706472
Well, i had an amazing woman English teacher for high school who taught me how to write. Followed up that one with a horrible teacher, a woman, who was bad, though she also taught me how to write. So idek

>> No.10706926

>>10706852
>Men have always been the more oppressed.
this sort of shit is why you'll never be a man. you try to outfeminize women themselves and call it masculinity.

>> No.10706927

>reading Plutarch over Seneca

Do Americans really do this?

>> No.10706932

>>10706904
Women are the ones who construct those things. Women are the cause of the 'patriarchy', the cause of 'toxic masculinity'. Women are the sexual selectors and they have the ultimate power.

Throughout most of history women have been denied freedom but women don't want freedom anyway, so no big deal. Once their rights have been taken away again then these things like the 'patriarchy' will disappear.

>> No.10706934

>>10706904
>Women liking emotional men

lmao just be friends with queers than haha

>> No.10706940

>>10706459
>Feminism being taught in American high schools
Absolutely not

>> No.10706947

>>10706926
What? It's just the truth. I'm not saying it was a bad thing in the past, but it is a bad thing now that women have birth control and aren't under the authority of their fathers and husbands.

>> No.10706948

>>10706881
Great argument. Not having guns everywhere is normal in the rest of the world. That's why we don't have school shooting every year.
>>10706896
Yes. Rome wasn't built in a day. I don't see why you'd want a communist state to be a random dice roll. When I get to power you're definitely getting gulaged.

>> No.10706949

>>10706940
Are you retarded, my younger brother just had some dyke bitch speak to the entire school about women's and dyke issues for 2 hours.

>> No.10706951

>>10706924
>no argument
gotcha
guess I'll stick with the understanding of centuries of language and law experts over the word of some random faggot on the internet, especially as you're too stupid to come up with even a single talking point

>> No.10706953

>>10706932

When caught out, double down. Men create those problems because most men are like you, pathetic self-hating alt-right propagandists who want to make everyone else feel like shit so you attack any man who doesn't conform to your warped image of what a man is. Lets list the groups that encourage men to act like this: MRAs, Pick up community, Return of Kings, Conservatives the Alt-right, bullies, human waste.

Now lets look at the feminist groups that want men to act like this:

>> No.10706954

>>10706852
Patriarchy hurts men too. Congrats, you are a feminist.

>> No.10706963

>>10706913
>I don't find his speculation about what foreign nations would do in the event of an American civil war entirely unconvincing

yes i do understand that you believe shit if it sounds cool but that is in fact the very root of your problem.

>> No.10706971

>>10706642
>gunning down crowds is the whole purpose of the second amendment. how are you going to defend yourself from tyranny with weapons that aren't good at shooting people?
If the gubmint wants to tyrannize you, they're going to drone strike your house.

>> No.10706979

>>10706951
I'm not arguing for or against gun control you dipshit I'm arguing that the diagram is nonsense as far as Linguistics is concerned. So if you're taking historocity to be concerned, the clause concerning regulated militias has been the legal precedent far longer than the individual mandate interpretation.

>> No.10706983

>>10706979
*though if you're taking

>> No.10706989

>>10706818
Other countries have welfare systems that are able to mitigate the effects feminism has had on this subset of men, and as I am perfectly willing to admit, these countries also have less access to firearms.
> Except for the millions of right wingers and alt-righters who don't seem to have the slightest clue on it apparently
If anything they understand it better because they experience it's detrimental effects. They understand feminism as it is practiced rather thanks an academic exercise.
> If you're seriously so fragile that considering how women have been oppressed and disadvantaged in the past and talking about how they still are makes you violent enough to kill a bunch of random, then you deserve a fucking bullet through your brain seriously
This line of rhetoric has always confused me. What exactly is fragile about standing up to state sponsored ideology, and why exactly are you not fragile when you break under its weight and submit to it. And when called out it you resort to calls to violence because dissent must be suppressed at any cost.
That being said, have you ever considered the flaw in your oppressed-oppressor conflict paradigm? If these non oppressed conditions drove men to such extremes, they may be worse than you think. And if those conditions of oppression did not elicit such a response from women, maybe they weren't that bad after all. The term "oppression' means nothing other than the shallow moralization of a condition by those with agendas. It says nothing about whether that those conditions are just or not as it purports to.
You're the scum of the earth and all the "oppression" that has ever occurred would not cause the suffering you deserve.

>> No.10706993

>>10706646
Who is oppressing you, and with what? You're clearly a conservative. Your guy won, even though that oppressive voice of the people said we'd rather someone else, and he single-handedly, casually, arbitrarily undid in a year a huge bulk of the meticulous work our side has done over the last eight. Does that really somehow make you want to buy rifles and overthrow the government?

I get why *my* side would say that a militia is important. I get why we would say that our democracy has failed two times out of four to represent us legitimately. But we're the ones calling for gun control. What on Earth is your militia for? What are you so scared or?

>> No.10706998

>>10706953
>Now lets look at the feminist groups that want men to act like this:
You shifted the goalposts two sentences apart; I'm impressed. It does not matter what the stated goals of these organizations are. They encourage men to act this way with the suffering they inflict with their reforms.

>> No.10707009

>>10706989
>Other countries have welfare systems that are able to mitigate the effects feminism has had on this subset of men
What the fuck are you talking about?

>> No.10707011

>>10706993
The left dominates our society in every way. The president's agenda has been obstructed by this cultural power alone. It will not be enough until those who support emancipatory or egalitarian politics are rendered completely incapable of influencing any aspect of society. The most important part of this is the language itself that they have clasped with an iron fist.

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>>10706879
care for a point-by-point refutation, bud?

>> No.10707016

>>10706949
Are you from /b/ or something?
This board is not for your types

>> No.10707021

>>10706947
yes, it's "just the truth" that you've rewritten the entire history of the planet to justify your own weakness. for a man the most important right is the right to act and achieve, for a woman it's the right to safety. you have now applied to yourself and all men retroactively the feminine ideal just so you could whine about being a victim of insufficient coddling. it's fucking nauseating that utter fucking vaginas like you are out there arguing for "men's rights".

>> No.10707025

OP this thread was fantastic bait. I absolutely love it. It barely has anything to do with literature and has nothing to do with Harry Potter. It's just perfect to get people to argue. Screencapped and placed in my future bait thread folder.

>> No.10707030

>>10707009
The resources used to materially improve women's lives have been taken directly from men of the middle and lower classes. Europe's welfare system is able to mitigate the effects of this by giving them something to keep them comfortable.

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>>10706459

Why is no one addressing the fact that school shootings are mainly a problem in the United States and they do not seem to happen anywhere else despite how accessible weapons are in a given country?
Why do they blame it on white people or make it a race problem when it is much likely to be a cultural problem?

The United States are facing a epidemy of psychological illnesses nowhere recorded before in history: both the form and the frequency of these is unprecedented.
The problem is not guns: people have easy access to guns in other countries and yet kids shooting each other is not something that happens.
The problem is not race: other countries have coexisting races in them and yet none of them feel the need to go on a killing spree in high schools.

The point is that US culture is sick: the United States are a 10 million square kilometers of nihilistic desert, where there is literally nothing to do beside eat and fuck, and where no notion of meaning has been associated to life beside that of pleasing yourself since the birth of the country.

The US sickness is unparalleled, it is a black plague of the mind. The only way to stop it from spreading is severing the gangrened limb that is the United States and leave it rot by itself into the apocalyptic wasteland it already is in the mind of those living there.

We must detach ourselves from their culture, or we'll be infected with the same disease that is destroying them.

>> No.10707039

>>10706979
Also if you're interested in learning more here's a link, though I doubt anyone's in this thread to learn anything.
https://www.english.illinois.edu/-people-/faculty/debaron/essays/guns.pdf

>> No.10707040

>>10707011
I'm a leftist you nigger. Faggot nigger kike. Leftists are not the ones in charge of language. That's fucking retarded liberals. We're not bloody liberals.

>> No.10707047

>>10706998
>A man in power can't get away with coercing his single mom secretary into give him blowy joweys, this is the pain feminism has inflicted
>Father's have to contribute to reproductive labor again
>My wife feels free to leave me if I treat her like a doormat!
What suffering

>> No.10707048

>>10707013
okay but first you need to write a justification for each point for me to argue against because you can't refute imaginary things like "50% of the army will join the rebels because i said so"

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>>10706810
>The IRA still managed to fight the British government with bombs and so forth.
And guns from America. They even made a folk song about their ArmaLites.

>> No.10707058

>>10706998

>They encourage men to act this way with the suffering they inflict with their reforms.

What suffering!? Oh no, men don't have the exclusive right to vote anymore! Oh no, women can join the military now! Oh no, men (and women, BTW) are being encouraged to consider whether the person they're courting is in a vulnerable state before forcing themselves onto them! The horror!

>> No.10707059

>>10707040
you can't argue with a jew fetishist. there's no spectrum of political positions for him, just me&adolf vs the jewish will that controls all things.

>> No.10707062

>>10707011
>The president's agenda has been obstructed by this cultural power alone

Can you point out what you're thinking of? I can imagine that a policy which was well conceived might still be unpopular because of certain media coverage. But beyond that general, theoretical case, I'm having a hard time seeing a concrete example of oppressive liberal influence being the main demise of a trump policy point.

>> No.10707064

>>10706971
They can't dronestrike everyone's houses forever. Occupation is done with boots on the ground.

>> No.10707066

If I never speak to a European again I will die a happy man.

>> No.10707070

>>10707066
well you shouldn't have killed all those indians then i'm sure they'd have much more to offer

>> No.10707073

>>10706913
That post is doing the same. It just looks like the guy knows what he's saying.

>> No.10707074

>>10707035
Canada is mostly immune to this, right?

>> No.10707082

>>10707035

>[America] has invented nothing: it has taken everything from Europe and served it up again in a disfigured, meaningless form, with an added Disneyland glitter. World centre of sweet madness, mirror of our dejecta and our decadence. Californitis, that hot variant of Americanism, is unleashing itself on the young of today and emerging as a mental form of AIDS...

>> No.10707083

>>10707040
I'm >>10706993 that I think >>10707011 was talking to. I just wanted to clear that up because I think >>10707040 can go die in a pit, and that he might be replying to the wrong person.

>> No.10707084

>>10706971
Who says I'm at my house? We could be anywhere that's too much infrastructural damage being done and causing to many civilian causalities can lead to a major humanitarian crisis where other first world countries could very well get involved and possibly support the rebels or become a three or even more sided war

>> No.10707086

>>10706993
>>10707040
Watching politcal groups out of power argue with each other is amusing, because each hates each other and hates the influence of the other on the powers that be, and yet also resents those who are in power for claiming to represent them and yet undermining everyone of their ideals and failing to secure any of their desires.
Little babies.....

>> No.10707097

>>10707035
It's probably because no one comes from a stable home anymore and boomers sucking everything dry and high standards for even the most mundane jobs so no one has purpose anymore. Just mindless consumerism and nihilism like you said. Internet probably plays a big role in this and possibly many not being in tune with nature.

>> No.10707098

>>10707083
Nm I skipped over the part where the person I was talking to says Trump can't get anything done because he can't slur out random groups, and that some people who seem to be dudes want you to call them her. I now wholeheartedly agree with the other person I referred to and am sorry for muddying the waters.

>> No.10707103

>>10707086
This is a neocon and lib world get used to it kiddos

>> No.10707111

>>10707030
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. First, feminism and equality are far more spread between educated upper class people. The 68 protesters were mainly bourgeois students. Second, this sentence
>The resources used to materially improve women's lives have been taken
doesn't make sense. A legislative act and the subsequent cultural changes don't necessarily hurt one part of the population in favor another. Also in many European nations welfare in favor of young people is actually less pronounced than in the US (see: Italy, who doesn't even have a neet program).
Third, would you mind sourcing your shit? What welfare program that is present in Europe isn't present in the US? I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

>> No.10707138

>>10707035
Their entire zeitgeist is a fucked up meme. You have the right wing party supporting more capitalism and the same time bitching about muh tradishun getting eroded, they keep talking about a national ethos yet at the same time they want everyone to be a atomised individual. The liberal party is the one who actually wants to have rules on language, they talk about communitarian yet at the same time they want to sewer any link from the past. The left doesn't exist, and the whole population has reached levels of retardation so irremediable that you have a whole culture talking about the political implications of a fucking marvel movie.

>> No.10707162

>>10707098
I'm >>10707040
It's fine m'dude. I'm fascinated how many people think that every leftist has issues with language. I don't see why slurs are bad if given in a friendly context. I joke with my friends all the time by insulting them. The whole point is that we trust each other enough so that no one takes it seriously or personally.

>> No.10707205

>>10706592
This is rich after all the leftist positions she's bent herself into knots supporting. Looks like their dopamine quest truly knows no satiation.

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>>10707138

Exactly. Exactly. This is why it is so important that they elected Trump. Now it is out in the open. It is as if they stood naked in frond of everyone, showing how devastated from illness the body of their nation is.

Nobody will ever be able to take them seriously again after something like this. It is clear that they are ill.
And people are feeling like they need to take the distance from this, like this is too much sickness, too much nihilism.

Even /pol/ turned against Trump almost immediately. Now there are daily threads against Americans.

Whatever happens from now on, something about their own narrative has been permanently disturbed. Some horrible deformation of their body was glanced upon by all and, even if it was just for a mere second, it sufficed.
People just won't look at the US with the same eyes as before.
And this is good.

>> No.10707219

is this true? are american schools this far gone?

>> No.10707244

>>10707219
They fuck children up. If the kids are lucky they can spend the rest of their life getting less fucked up. It sticks for most of them. It is a complete loss of liberty and life, their relationship to themselves and their community is warped beyond repair. This result is contrived by the system. They are more likely to take out a loan to buy a new car and watch all the best advertisements.

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>>10706971
sure dude

>> No.10707278

>>10707035
>literally just inventing a fucking countrywide psychological illness and calling that the problem

lmaoing at americans

>> No.10707286

>>10707217
lmao dude all those critiques he leveled at the left and right apply to Europe and Canada too, don't get cocky in your illusory bliss

>> No.10707304

>>10706563

The purpose of the second amendment is safeguard against the republic turning tyrannical. It has nothing to do with hunting or target practice. The US government is system of checks and balances and the threat of rebellion is the ultimate check against government authority. The founding fathers knew this and they lived it which is why they included it.

>> No.10707331

>>10707304
Then why arent machine guns and tanks legal?

>> No.10707335

>>10707331

They are legal

>> No.10707338

>it was the milieu
pure ideology

>> No.10707351

The problem with America is capitalism

>> No.10707362

>>10707304
no it's not retard, did you ever read what it says?
>M I L I T I A S

>> No.10707394

>>10707016
Careful, your inner elitist pseud is showing

>> No.10707404

>>10706560
>gigantic rifle
>Ar-15

pick one, you ape

>> No.10707423

>>10707335
Do you have any?

>> No.10707436

>>10707423

No I don't. I also don't have any AR-15's. What's your point?

>> No.10707514

>>10706913
Nigger I don't want to argue this anymore but the first point is already fumb as fuck. Do you honestly think the US military doesn't have a back up plan for a electrical grid breakdown? I mean, my fucking school had a reserve generator and I live in a third world country, do you think a army base of the biggest army on earth wouldn't have them?
>but communications
Ever heard of fucking radio?

>> No.10707550

>>10706627
How is literally shooting bullets at all the things you don't want in the world a completely different thing than fighting tooth and nail to change it? I mean they're clearly not well integrated but what is your notion of traditional here?

>> No.10707563

>>10706472
Retarded as shit, my Mississippi Lit teacher was the best.

>> No.10707565

>>10706971
Sure dude.
If there is ever some kind of full scale rebellion in America, drones will not do shit.
>kill a couple of guys in their homes
>they become martyrs
>people grow ever more uncomfortable with the government using weapons on them that are meant for brown people
>the people that were on the fence grab SKS and go innawoods

>> No.10707574

>>10706634
>/leftymong/ propaganda
The spic was a left winger though?

>> No.10707579

>>10707550
Ah yes, the very traditional way of chimping out and killing a bunch of high schoolers. Very traditional, very honorable, does much for the cause.

>> No.10707586

>>10707574
He was a poltard, what are you talking about?
Also didn't know that /int/ memes were propaganda, lmao.

>> No.10707591

>>10706948
That's more or less how successful revolutions occurs

>> No.10707615

>>10706556
The legitimate only reason I didn't go crazy as a teen was because I had 4chan as an outlet to shitpost anonymously

>> No.10707620

>>10706560
Yeh, but that's cause Europeans have moved away from guns. The Americans are continuing European traditions of gun ownership. I remember in German school they showed us Michael Moore documentarians about Columbine to get us in the cuck mindset.

>> No.10707633

>>10706594
It does though, there have been mass shootings all over Europe you lying rat. I remember several attacks from my high school days in Germany alone.

>> No.10707639

>no posts about his dead adoptive parents

>> No.10707643

>>10706631
It's a sacred right in America and since society is relative I think you need to fuck off and suck a dick nigger, stop trying to colonize our culture you objectivist cunt.

>> No.10707658

>>10706705
Are you saying America won Vietnam?

>> No.10707661

>>10707633
Look up the statics, I wasn't saying it NEVER happens you dumb fucking faggot.

>> No.10707669

>>10707658
Are you saying that the USA is covered by a jungle?

>> No.10707674

>>10707658
Are you saying Vietnam was just a group of morons with guns?

>> No.10707699

Why people with AHDH are SO FUCKING annoying and SO FUCKING egocentric?
Is that what meth in a pill does to you?

>> No.10707704

>>10706705

It's not about winning anything. The point is to discourage tyrannical actions taken by the government by making the cost of pursuing such actions too high. If we suppose the worst case scenario with a full on insurrection the US military would have to maintain a full on police state and they just don't have the manpower to do that when they have to treat every citizen as a potential gun owner. Tanks and jets can't search houses and confiscate guns and they can't maintain a curfew.

>> No.10707707

>>10706765
>muh knives
A skinny nerd can't kill 50 people with a knife tho.

>> No.10707711

>>10707661
>also this doesn't happen in other western countries, unsurprisingly
Lying fucking Ameridog rat, go fucking shoot up a school cuntface. In my city alone there has been a terrorist attack (bomb backpack), a axe/molotov cocktail attack, and a gun amok attack on bike riders in the past 10 years or so you sack of swineshit. This is a social issue, anybody not talking about SOCIETY is obfuscating. You are obfuscating, you are a kike.

>> No.10707719

>>10707711
Look up the numbers you impotent kraut manlet.

>> No.10707730

>>10707719
>muh numbers
Obfuscating you little cunt, this is a social issue, I don't care if it's only 5% as many school shootings as the Slobstates of Weimerica, that our society produces this is an indicator that we are sick.

>> No.10707750

I unironically find Jordan Peterson’s explanation for these situations to be enough of an explanation, either to understand it or to be practical about it.
He likens these dudes to Cain, and I don’t find that illogical. It’s an individual who’s in the habit of holding a grudge in a retarded, incommensurate and unrelenting way.
Like when someone cuts you off in traffic and you’re still angry about it two days later, and you hope the fucker’s children die.
It’s just an attitude, and if it’s your go-to response for everything then you end up being a mass shooter.
It’s the contrary of meditating, where instead of trying to feel peace you empower yourself by imagining the most destructive shit possible.
There’s no mental treatment for it, because it’s not illness, it’s a dude needing to not want to hate the world. And no amount of legislation will help with it either, because again, it’s not like these people won’t find other ways to do this.

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>>10707750
Nice simpleton way of not having to think about why he did it.

>> No.10707801

>>10707750
That's too simplistic, you can't legislate it away, but family, community, religion, and any other myriad of social institutions that are being abolished and corrupted would stop retarded social development.

>> No.10707803

>>10707550
these guys always want things like respect, authority, sexual conquest and so on but they don't have the balls to actually accomplish anything or even give it a good try. an actual traditional male would struggle to close the gap between himself and his fantasy of himself by facing adversity whereas these guys just sit there and cry that the world isn't spontaneously conforming to their will, like eric harris whining in his journal that his schoolmates don't see him as an authority figure (despite having done nothing to deserve respect) or elliot rodgers insisting that girls should simply approach him and beg to be fucked because he's sitting at a park bench reading a book. these guys aren't even stuck in adolescence, they're stuck in infancy: opening their mouth and waiting for a nipple. but the nipple isn't coming so they just grow more and more frustrated, more and more afraid.

in this context the actual attack is not some gesture of finally taking control but in fact the ultimate act of cowardice. they shoot because it is, at that point, the easiest thing for them to do. think about how much of a pussy you have to be to find women so terrifying it's easier for you to shoot one than to ask her out. that's what rodgers was in the end, more afraid of a woman's attention than of violent death. imagine that.

>> No.10707842

>>10706459
Why do autists always talk about themselves in the third person and in a dis-associative manner?

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10707850

>>10707842
Why does he even claim the shooter was white.

>> No.10707852

>>10706949
>random seminar for only two hours
>same as being being taught an actual subject in school
Don't you have a three hundred word essay due, kid?

>> No.10707881

>>10707795
>>10707801
It’s simple, but I don’t see any other common reason for all these people to be doing these things.
With things like spousal abuse or petty theft, we don’t need a two page thesis to make sure your kid doesn’t behave that way. We know that there are ways to teach them not to be.
But when your kid has an exaggerated angry reaction to something that doesn’t warrant it, the parents don’t say anything. Then on top of it, they usually put a political agenda on their minds so they’ll even be angry at shit they have no control over, and they’re also ostracized because they have hostile/immature personalities.
I don’t know if there’s something here I’m missing, I just believe the first step would be to monitor children (as parents) specifically so they don’t turn up like this.

>> No.10707894

>>10707850
he was white in america

>> No.10707906

>>10707881
Well his actual parents werent around since he was adopted, and then his adoptive parents died. Idk how he dealt with those facts.

>> No.10707940

>>10707906
>Idk how he dealt with those facts.
He shot up his local high school.

>> No.10707949

>>10706472
Objectively wrong.

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10707950

>>10707286

I was agreeing with his general statement, not saying that it is the cause of mental plague of the US.

While I do believe Europe has its own problems, we are nowhere near to the US.
Look at school shootings.
Look at the percentage of mental conditions related to addiction (especially opioids) which is higher than in countries where people can buy them legally in pharmacies.
Look at the phenomenon of people living in their cars surviving on part time jobs with the sole aim of having something to eat, which is statistically higher in America than anywhere else on the planet. Not even in poorer country people choose loneliness as a way of life. Even the most miserable human beings, in a moment of difficulty, tend to seek the help of others: the american is so disconnected from reality that he has become incapable to do this.
Look at bad news on the media, to which the average american watcher is incapable to react with even the slightest sign of empathy. Again, there are statistics on the fact that Americans show less sign of empathy toward news like that of school shooting than almost every other person on the planet. Even in countries who are at war, where death is a daily event and you supposedly grow accustomed to it, people show more empathy than the average American does.

There are countries that have politics far worse than yours, and yet none of them, not even the ones supposedly under dictatorships (China, Russia) show the level of disquiet and proclivity to new kinds of mental illnesses shown by the United States.

It is because of your way of life. And the extremely frightening things for an external observer is that instead of addressing that problem you'd rather say that it is a race, or a left v. right problem and fight each other - and kill each other - in the name of scapegoat ideologies.
All this because you'd have to face how disgustingly sick you are, how much living like you did have deformed yourself into sub-humans.

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In that case his shooting has nothing to do with the things kantbot describes.

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>Even the most miserable human beings, in a moment of difficulty, tend to seek the help of others: the american is so disconnected from reality that he has become incapable to do this.
I agree with this sentiment, and I believe it’s because we’re so economically minded and materialistic that we assume people won’t give us the time of day unless we somehow pay them.