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>smartest man in history converted to Catholicism
>smartest person to ever convert to atheism was Sam Harris
really electrocutes the pistachios

>> No.10691756

Does Catholicism get the smartest converts? It's got to be either them, Judaism, or Buddhism, right?

>> No.10691766

>implying intelligence has anything to do with believing the truth

>> No.10691772

>>10691756
I think Heisenberg went Methodist or one of the other Catholic-lite protestants.

>> No.10691775

>>10691766
Wew

>> No.10691785
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>>10691772
>Methodist
>Catholic-lite

>> No.10691824

>>10691766
is this how fedoras justify being stupid?

>>10691756
who converts to Judaism?

>> No.10691850

>>10691824
I unironically have an uncle who converted to Judaism. He's kind of a weird dude. He also doesn't like to work and mooches off my aunt's family a lot.

>> No.10691867

>>10691824
>who converts to Judaism
Ivanka

>> No.10691877

>>10691756
Not a Catholic but I'm willing to admit some of the best logicians are Catholics.

>> No.10691881

>>10691739
Einstein, who was much smarter that Von Neumann, believed the christian God to be a childish fantasy. Your turn, christlarper.

>> No.10691895

After years of edgy atheism I recently started taking religion more seriously again, and as part of this I started reading the Wikipedia pages of all the most famous scientists, writers, mathematicians, philosophers, and so on. It turns out that very very few of humanity's greatest minds of all time have been genuinely atheist. Many of them are theists, and there are also lots who rejected organised religion but retained deist beliefs, but barely any of them rejected the idea of God completely.

>> No.10691909

>>10691739
Von Neumann converted to Catholicism on his death-bed just to play it safe. It's not a conversion that gives the faith much credit desu. Someone like Edith Stein is a much better example of a super smart convert who does the faith proud.

>> No.10691912

>>10691881
Einstein was an overrated hack.

>> No.10691917

>>10691912
Wrong.

>> No.10691920

>>10691909
No, he did it so he could marry his fiance, it wasn't a death bed conversion.

>> No.10691929

>>10691824
>converting to judaism
The only religions that really pull in people for conversion are christianity, islam and buddhism.
And in the last case, it's usually autism.
Marriages tho.

>> No.10691952

>>10691920
>In 1955, von Neumann was diagnosed with what was either bone or pancreatic cancer. He was not able to accept the proximity of his own demise, and the shadow of impending death instilled great fear in him. He invited a Roman Catholic priest, Father Anselm Strittmatter, O.S.B., to visit him for consultation. Von Neumann reportedly said, "So long as there is the possibility of eternal damnation for nonbelievers it is more logical to be a believer at the end," essentially saying that Pascal had a point, referring to Pascal's Wager.
>Of this deathbed conversion, Morgenstern told Heims, "He was of course completely agnostic all his life, and then he suddenly turned Catholic—it doesn't agree with anything whatsoever in his attitude, outlook and thinking when he was healthy." Father Strittmatter recalled that even after his conversion, von Neumann did not receive much peace or comfort from it, as he still remained terrified of death.

>> No.10691955

>>10691881
Einstein was a Jew so obviously he'd disregard the other religions ...

>> No.10691967

>>10691952
not that anon, but death bed conversion by a logician acting on logic doesn't negate the validity of death bed conversions. it's not logical to be afraid of protestant hell is the most we could extrapolate from this.

>> No.10691972

>>10691881
>Einstein, who was much smarter that Von Neumann,
In philosophy and politics, Einstein was almost a complete idiot.

>> No.10691975

>>10691967
There was a nice Joyce quote on this.

>> No.10691977

>>10691877
who? just curious

>> No.10691984

>>10691967
>the most we could extrapolate
>extrapolate
Sure you don't want to throw "unpack" in there for good measure u fat fag

>> No.10691991

>>10691952
>Prior to his marriage to Mariette, Von Neumann was baptized a Catholic in 1930.
try again brainlet

>> No.10691996

>>10691739
>>smartest man in history
That's not Leibniz.

>> No.10692022

>>10691955
He was a Deist, he had that opinion of every abrahimic religion
>>10691972
meh

Another example: Schrodinger, also much smarter than Von Neumann, had a strong interest towards Hinduism and Vedantic philosophy

>> No.10692032

>>10691972
In philosophy and politics Heidegger was smarter than both and he was an atheist. Your turn, christlarper.

>> No.10692069

>>10691824
>who converts to Judaism?
Americans who want to get somewhere in life

>> No.10692095

>>10691824
>who converts to Judaism?
Louis CK's father did, not even joking lmao

>> No.10692112

>>10691984
>lets not use math language when discussing von Neumann's math
k

>> No.10692113

>>10692022
Schrodinger I'll accept as a good example. But definitely not Einstein. The man was almost a philosophical moron.
>>10692032
>heidegger was smarter than both
brainletwojak.jpg

>> No.10692120

>>10692095
Most American conversions are to Reform Judaism though, which readily accepts converts and is much less strict than Orthodox Judaism. If you ask an Orthodox Rabbi about converting he'll essentially tell you to fuck off.

>> No.10692154

>>10691972
how was einstein a philosophical moron?

>> No.10692164

>>10691955
Von Neumann too was a jew, dumb dumb.

>> No.10692201

>>10692120
>Reform Judaism
is that the one that is gay?

>> No.10692222

>>10691739
He’s not the smartest man in history though.

>> No.10692382

>>10691895
You're correct, but seeing as how some edgy atheists are attacking Christianity, they are still right, because those people weren't christians (although they're attacking Christianity only because it's the most famous and biggest religion, they never go in-depth when it comes to all the other religions). Not that I'm defending the edgy atheists, their behaviour will always make me cringe, I'm just saying.

>> No.10692802

>>10692201
>is that the one that is gay?
very

>> No.10692827

Well the Jesuits do own the world... so yeah, makes sense.

>> No.10692829

>>10692112
k, as in "there exists an integer k such that.."

>> No.10692838

>>10692222
who is? Guass, Maxwell, Einstein? checked

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>>10691739
I assure you that Sam Harris is significantly smarter than John von Neumann.

>> No.10692857

>>10692201
Yes. Keraism or bust.

>> No.10692885

>>10692838
Gauss and Euler are pretty high up there

>> No.10692902

>>10692847
define
>significantly

>> No.10692910

>>10691739
How does being intelligent have anything to do with having faith in a set of dogmas?

>> No.10692913

>>10692847
His eyes are crooked

>> No.10692918

>>10692838
Leonardo desu

>> No.10692923

>>10691739
>citing STEM
>not literary greats such as Shakespeare, Cervantes, hundreds of other /classics/
The most reassuring thing about my faith, is the collective belief of men a thousand times greater than me.

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>>10692902
At least a standard deviation higher in raw IQ.

>> No.10692941

>>10692829
k as in the cardinal number of sets in which your logic isn't borked is 0

>> No.10692942
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>>10691739

>> No.10692963

>>10691739
>not a picture of Leibniz

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>>10692942
Youre just threatened by TradChristian converts

>> No.10692974

>>10692069
>Americans who want to get somewhere in life

Implying Jews will ever accept a sabbothgoy as their own

>> No.10692984

>>10692941
use a diff symbol, I already defined k

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>>10691996
>>10692963

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>>10692910
Because the ones who have the most wealth worship the serpent from genesis.
Align yourself with them.

>> No.10693023

Hasn't anyone actually considered the possibility that the fact that so many people believed in Catholicism actually indicates that it's a false religion, not the other way?

Just like with islam.

>> No.10693033

>>10693001
Why

>> No.10693047

What book is this thread referring to? I can't find it

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>>10693033
You're a foolish wanderer.
It doesn't take much to think of the benefits.

>> No.10693057

>>10692942
Why is everybody saying that it's Catholic LARPers on here?

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>>10692974
>tfw you find out Seth Meyers is only a quarter (1/4!) Jewish and more successful than you after unironically converting to Judaism (Orthodox)

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10693077

The Black Nobility could use you.

>> No.10693145

>>10692923
>Those writers believed in this stuff so I guess I’d better join in!
Ridiculous

>> No.10693173

>>10693057
>GOSH! its not a phase, mom! this is who I am now!

>> No.10693180

>>10693057
Because they hate the truth

>> No.10693184

>>10692847
I don't even need a side profile of this cat to see the Jew in him. He bleeds scheistery.

>> No.10693198

>>10693184
>shiet dawg i figad out dis nigga a kike all on my ownst witout dem bois at /pol/ directin my undastandin n sheit

>> No.10693208

>>10693057
>Maybe everyone will stop calling me an edgy pseud if I start saying I’m a wholesome catholic convert! I’ll even buy a cool wooden crucifix for my bedroom if mom will let me nail it to the wall!

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>>10691955
You fuckers are t. brainlets. Einstein was a naturalistic pantheist. He saw god as synonymous with nature, not one he could speak to or that dictated reality.

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>>10691881

He should have converted then maybe he wouldn't have gotten BTFO on a cosmological level

>> No.10693245

The vast majority of philosophers are atheists

>God: theism or atheism?
>Accept or lean toward: atheism 678 / 931 (72.8%)
>Accept or lean toward: theism 136 / 931 (14.6%)
>Other 117 / 931 (12.6%)

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

Religiosity is also inversely correlated with IQ.

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>>10692923
All those idiots lived in times where god was the vast majority's belief and they knew nothing of the world, of course they believed in god. dont kid yourself

>> No.10693258

>>10693246
0.999...=/=1

fuck that pic is retarded

>> No.10693273

>>10693245
>most philosophers in a spiritually impoverished age do not believe in God

Colour me surprised

>> No.10693274

>>10693258
this >fighter class npc isn't >basilisk-compliant

>> No.10693279

>>10693273
you could say the opposite for the days of old as well you brainlet

>> No.10693343

>>10692154
Basically "I disagree with him so he's dumb".

>> No.10693347

>>10692989
for sure Von Neumann belong to the 4/5 most intelligent persons ever existed in human history alongside Leibniz, Da Vinci, Archimede and shieet

>> No.10693374

He was incredibly smart and as such overly conscious and frightened of the uncertainty of death, he basically panic converted as an old man because of this

>> No.10693783

>>10692113
>>10692022

Schrodinger smarter than Von Newman? What are you on? No one took Schrodinger seriously when he first came up with his wave equation. It's so simple a high school student can understand it. He's mostly remembered for being a degenerate. Obviously he's a highly intelligent person, but please don't compare him to JVN.

>> No.10693787

>>10692838
Mozart

>> No.10693830

>>10691917
no anon is right, he was good at physics but the only thing he was the best at was self promotion which is why he's a household name

>> No.10693847

>>10691975
post

>> No.10693893

>>10693347
I can tell you Archimedes is intelligent. You get that notion from reading his mathematical proofs.

I have read Euclid, Archimedes, and Apollonius, and Archimedes is the only one where I had to spend entire days on one page.

That said, On Conics does get up there in complexity. I would say Books III (because of the utilization of the harmonic ratio in conjunction with the three/four-line locus) and V (because of the ratios required to produce minimas drawn from below axes) are particularly intense, logically.

Mathematics is like the definition of a brain contest, to see who can possibly come up with the most intense ideas. Early mathematicians basically just wrote correspondences back and forth regarding problems (one would put forth a problem and a solution and the other would put forward an alternative solution). Archimedes' writings in particular were full of these, and I still don't fully comprehend some of the answers, but I gathered that I grasped at least one and moved on. That's what I did with Archimedes.

Fucking hell, it was kind of fun in the end but holy shit...

>> No.10694329

>>10693374
>He was incredibly smart and as such overly conscious and frightened of the uncertainty of death

what you mean is he was smart but he wasn't wise.

>> No.10694475

>>10693057
Ever single Christian alive today except for a few hermits are LARPers

>> No.10694529

>>10691775
>>10691824
He's right though. Intelligence has little to do with your beliefs and intellectual habits. It's just raw cognitive power.

>> No.10694761

>>10693208
>>10693173
Lol are you guys retarded? You do know that the majority of Catholics aren't converts + my mom loves that I'm not atheist scum.

>>10694475
Gay

>> No.10694832

>>10692847
>this bait

>> No.10695058

>>10694329
Brainlet

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>>10691739
>smartest man in history was a heretic fundie
>smartest atheist ever is some second-rate science nigger who just won't stop kissing his ass like the servile moron he is
>mfw

>> No.10695188

>>10694761
You wish

>> No.10696984

bump

>> No.10696993

>>10691739
>implying Nietzsche didn't convert to atheism

>> No.10696994

>>10693258
you show your ignorance here by not know that both are possible, depending on the field in which you work

>> No.10697010

I just fucken got back from ash wednesday.
such a rush to get that shit and not even be confirmed catholic

>> No.10697438

>>10691739
>smartest atheist in history invented stream of consciousness and revolutionized the modernist period with his writing style and massive talent
>smartest christian ever thought the earth was flat
get rekt religitards

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>>10693258
>0.999...=/=1

>> No.10698013

>>10691955
>implying that's a bad thing
Time to hit the shower. It's been over 24 hrs since the last time.

>> No.10698029

>>10691952
>"So long as there is the possibility of eternal damnation for nonbelievers it is more logical to be a believer at the end," essentially saying that Pascal had a point, referring to Pascal's Wager.
What a coward,

>> No.10698035

>>10691850
He sounds based

>> No.10699432

>>10697438
who are you referring to?

>> No.10699543

>>10692923

They did not CHOOSE their beliefs, it was imprinted in the overwrite-protected part of their psyche when they were little, their intellect could not access that part. That's how this memetic virus operates.

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>>10691739
>smartest man in history was an atheist convert, genius in an astonishing number of fields, polymath with breadth and depth, a mono/lit/h who deserves to share the same scene with giants like Dante and Cervantes and whose magnum opus even surpasses theirs and every other work in literature
>smartest cihirihistain ever was an autistic numberfag who couldn't comprehend the trinity, was a filthy heretic who turned his mind to boogey esoteric occultism and basically turned into a retard after that apple whacked his head. Also a jew.
And you still call the atheists fedoras? Bwahahaha plebbitards

>> No.10699681

>>10693830
no he was a genius in every sense and deserved his Nobel prize stop regurgitating /pol/ opinions about science you fucking ape
>>10693893
(You)
>>10699657
(You) faggot

>> No.10699696

>>10699681
You

>> No.10699757

>>10699681
no (u)

>> No.10699771
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>make fun of atheists for not believing in God
>don't practice a religion strictly
>being an airy fairy "deist/pantheist" who makes up his own rules and morality
hypocrites

>> No.10699776

>>10699696
>>10699757
>extremely mad

>> No.10699781

>>10699771

>>make fun of atheists for not believing in God
>don't practice a religion strictly
>being an airy fairy "deist/pantheist" who makes up his own rules and morality

I think it's mostly american evangelical types who believe in salvation by faith alone who make fun of atheists the most.

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>smartest man in the world
>was woke on the JQ
>part jew himself
What's your excuse, /lit/?

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>>10691739

Lev Landau, probably the smartest soviet scientist, Nobel Prize recipient, author of the "Course of Theoretical Physics" which is still very highly regarded even in the west. A very committed and outspoken atheist.

>> No.10700008

>>10691895
>99% of the premodern world was theist
>98% of premodern smart people were theist
>this means that theism is a characteristic of smart people
>>10692022
Some people enjoy Greek mythology too. Doesn't mean they believe in the metaphysical baggage.

>> No.10700016

>>10693245
If philosophers were theists, they'd be theologians. Checkmate atheists.

>> No.10700128

>>10700001
And look at him now

dead

>> No.10700137

People who believe in god obviously lack education in physics and biology. Once you get a picture of how universe works and how your body works it becomes obvious that all the afterlife and sky wizard stuff is a joke.

>> No.10700180

>>10700137
It's an interpretation of how the universe and your body works as our theories change constantly in order to explain our surroundings. What you believe today about the universe could be considered the butt-end of a joke in the future, yet you're adamant in your belief that whatever you believe today must be correct because it's how things are explained today.

My point is that you can't be certain about how anything works, you only have a prediction of how something is going to work according to your theory which rarely if ever hits 1 and is inevitably subject to change.

Laugh at skywizard all you want, just know that one day you will have believed the equivalent of that.

>> No.10700192

>>10700016
theology manages to be even less useful than philosophy.

might as well major in the silmarillion.

>> No.10700315

>>10691739
>live your whole life as an agnostic
>get cancer
>fear dying
>"So long as there is the possibility of eternal damnation for nonbelievers it is more logical to be a believer at the end"
Wew, what a devout catholic.

>> No.10701066

>>10699543
>>10693246
>i-it d-doesn't count

>> No.10701101

Neumann was a bright guy, but to be fair he took all of his ideas from Norbert Wiener. Pynchon knew this.