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Is Cartesian dualism: mind-matter outdated?

>> No.10689974

obviously

>> No.10690003

Might find more under the heading
"Holographic universe"
Or
"Reality is a simulation"

>> No.10690012

>>10689970
substance dualism; yes, kinda. dualism in general; no

>> No.10690014

>>10689970
Why? Materialism seems to have many issues - personally I find the arguments for the existence of qualia quite convincing.
And if you look at many of the positions of those who advocate the idea that AI can really be intelligent, many of them unintentionally take a dualist position.

>> No.10690029

>>10690014
i would like to have mind having control over affects, and behave only through pure reason, unaffected by emotions, but most of people think that we are sum of affects and we cant deffend ourselves

>> No.10690655

>>10690014
Can you elaborate some of the positions taken?

>> No.10690683

>>10689970
No, unless you are a simpleton who is interpreting mind as brain. In that case, yes, it is quite outdated.

>> No.10690714

duh

>> No.10690732

Descartes never even properly defined his dualism. He avoided it by saying "mind and body probably have something to do with each other but idk tho"

>> No.10690757

>>10690732
Please don't read philosophy books. Stay reading shampoo labels. They don't need interpretation.

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10690953

>>10690003

It is not a simulation since there is nothing being simulated. This screen is not a shadow of a perfect screen, nor is it an expression of the Logos or aggregate of matter. No ur-screen precedes it, nor will it transcend to an eschatoscreen. Such is the whole world, a cretinous tapestry of delirium, a nightmare to wake up from.

>> No.10691311

>>10690732
he wrote about "pineal gland" which is home of soul and is reacting to affects in various ways regarding of current position or smthg

>> No.10691377

>>10689970
He was obviously right in saying that there are mind stuffs different from mechanistic non-experiential stuffs. But framing this as a dualistic opposition was a grave mistake that has lead to many misguided ideas.
There is but one substance, and it has both experiential and non-experiential properties.