What was he wrong about, what was he right about, and is he compatible with right-wing beliefs?

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Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:14:33 2018 No.10683277 [Reply] [Original]

What was he wrong about, what was he right about, and is he compatible with right-wing beliefs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:16:44 2018 No.10683282 Nothing. Everything. Right-wingers are enemies of humanity and deserve death. Non-ironically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:17:46 2018 No.10683286 File: 142 KB, 1024x683, 1387067076243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10683282 >Nothing. Everything. Right-wingers are enemies of humanity and deserve death.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:17:52 2018 No.10683287 >>10683282 What do you do for work?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:21:46 2018 No.10683296 >>10683286 Okay. >>10683287 I have a co-op with my mother where we make environmentally friendly fertiliser. Well, more like tend to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:22:01 2018 No.10683297 File: 689 KB, 1310x1300, lefty-marxist.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Start reading or fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:22:47 2018 No.10683298 File: 216 KB, 1345x1208, dg98wuzould01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10683296 >Okay. You look like one of these ugly people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:23:52 2018 No.10683301 Things Marx was wrong about: History Dialecticalism Materialism Economics Starving your children to death because you don't want to get a job Fucking your maid and throwing her out on the street when she gets pregnant Am I missing anything?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:25:23 2018 No.10683308 >>10683298 It doesn't matter what I look like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:26:03 2018 No.10683310 >>10683297 I'm asking for the views of this board, I'm not asking for books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:26:13 2018 No.10683311 Why do you guys keep focusing on dead ideologies? Fascism and communism are not coming back, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:27:33 2018 No.10683317 >>10683308 Yes it does matter. Ugly, ineffectual, and loser like people that can't compete in society are drawn to communism.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:28:07 2018 No.10683319

>>10683308
Your psychological motivation for adopting political radicalism is your feelings of inferiority which stem from among other sources your lack of physical attractiveness so yes what you look like matters. Relax and work on yourself. You'll be happier and accomplish more.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:36:19 2018 No.10683346

Wow this is the edgiest thread I've ever seen. From what I can gather, Marx's criticism of olde time capitalism is completely accurate, but his views on human nature are wrong as hell. His ideal economy tends to appeal to college students that are afraid of entering the real world, so watch out for that

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:36:28 2018 No.10683348 >>10683317 >>10683319 Going pretty hard on the ad-hominems here, guys. I'm doing well enough, actually. My self is fine, I would think. Not entirey sure why you're attacking me because of communism since it's too early for Americans.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:42:44 2018 No.10683375
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Well first of all, Marx took the worst aspects of Hegel, and tried to justify them using materialism instead. Historicism is retarded, and is practically just temporal arrogance.

Secondly, Marx did not predict social-democracy/welfarist/unionist capitalism, which is essentially a corporatist compromise between the state, worker and capitalist, and has produced countries like the Nordics, which are way richer and more egalitarian than he could've ever known in his life.

That said, his sociological analysis of capitalism is quite interesting, and way more useful than his purely economic writings. Especially concepts like alienation.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:48:48 2018 No.10683391

>>10683311
Fascism is alive and well in Russia and other places, Communism is just floundering in the wake of the fall of Soviet. Why do you think retarded "movements" like Occupy Wall Street or Antifa are funded by die-hard capitalists if not to keep worker's movements from adapting and reorganizing in the post-Soviet era? It doesn't take much intellect to realize it's easier to keep the workers down if you start before they form respectable organizations, as opposed to letting those organizations grow and then trying to stomp on them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:49:29 2018 No.10683393 >>10683296 So you shit for a living

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:49:41 2018 No.10683394 >>10683375 He also completely failed to predict the rise of fascism as a consequence of capitalism shitting itself to death.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:51:18 2018 No.10683396 >>10683393 No. Worms do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:51:19 2018 No.10683397 >>10683375 >Historicism is retarded Why? It makes perfect sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:56:51 2018 No.10683415 >>10683397 No it doesn't. Anyone who thinks they can predict the future by looking at the past is an arrogant idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:57:00 2018 No.10683416 >>10683298 >western socialists No wonder revolution started in the East.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:57:21 2018 No.10683419

>>10683277
Le Commune man hand some good points but overall he was wrong about more than he was right about because capitalism is still a thing, my country is capitalist now, and things very good here better when Americans and Brits were paying disbanded military leaders to brutalize us and take our lands. much better now, yes.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:04:50 2018 No.10683446
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>mfw western "libertarian socialists" don't realize that China is the best hope for the communist movement
>mfw the post-Cold War world is falling apart already
>mfw US imperialism can't even deal with it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:07:45 2018 No.10683460 >>10683393 Son, fertilizer is a cornerstone of agriculture. Agriculture feeds your obese ass.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:13:12 2018 No.10683471

>>10683277
These concepts of "x-wing" chance throught history. I wouden't consider absurdo the idea that in a distant future Marx would be considered right-wing.
But if you want to questionar what was right and wrong in marxista body of work, I will resume very briefly for you: great insights, bad solutions.
Happy? Done. Now go read something else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:15:37 2018 No.10683477 >>10683471 God, I hate my corrector so much. STOP CHANGING MY WORDS TO FUCKING PORTUGUESE YOU PIECE OF SHIT REEEEEE

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:18:05 2018 No.10683484

>>10683471
This is the worst kind of normie answer desu. It was more like the opposite - his analysis was great but flawed in many aspects, but he articulated the only opposition to capital which actually works. Socialist economies have existed and they work very well. Of course it's not in the interest of the ((global market)) to have a functional socialist society.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:21:15 2018 No.10683494
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The Chad Proudhon vs the Virgin Marx

>December 26, 1847: Jews. Write an article against this race that poisons everything by sticking its nose into everything without ever mixing with any other people. Demand its expulsion from France with the exception of those individuals married to French women. Abolish synagogues and not admit them to any employment. Demand its expulsion Finally, pursue the abolition of this religion. It’s not without cause that the Christians called them deicides. The Jew is the enemy of humankind. They must be sent back to Asia or be exterminated. H. Heine, A. Weill, and others are nothing but secret spies ; Rothschild, Crémieux, Marx, Fould, wicked, bilious, envious, bitter, etc. etc. beings who hate us. The Jew must disappear by steel or by fusion or by expulsion. Tolerate the elderly who no longer have children. Work to be done – What the peoples of the Middle Ages hated instinctively I hate upon reflection and irrevocably. The hatred of the Jew like the hatred of the English should be our first article of political faith. Moreover, the abolition of Judaism will come with the abolition of other religions. Begin by not allocating funds to the clergy and leaving this to religious offerings. – And then, a short while later, abolish the religion.
Source: https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/1847/jews.htm

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:22:08 2018 No.10683497
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>>10683277
>Is he compatible with right wing beliefs
Some of his economic ideas are useful and can predict things better than classical economics. Fascism draws from Marxism (not a lot, but it's there).

Communism might be shit but Marx is an important guy even if you disagree with his conclusions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:22:33 2018 No.10683501 >>10683394 Now the person needs to fucking predict the future? If anything, fascism was the truly umpreditable. Who would fucking know that the XX century would be so fullied with such awfull crisis that would give birth to the totalitarian system?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:24:22 2018 No.10683510 >>10683501 >how could it possibly be predicted that people would respond to the modern problem by trying to port in aspects of tradition?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:29:22 2018 No.10683534

>>10683484
He had great insights into the new mindset that was being born during the rise of the capitalism. Marx may well be a very flawed economic theorist, but I don't blame him. In his time, capitalism was something new, no one realy got it right what capitalism was and many economists at the time were just starting to make understandings around it.
If there is something everyone should thank marxist economics is that the fear of socialism and communist drove business owners and politicians to make social policies and avoid workers strikes and rebellions due to bad working conditions and general misery.

But Marx concepts are realy insightfull in questiona like alienation and class conflict. Of course today talk about class conflict is stupid, but at the time, it realy made sense.

Sorry if sounds normie to you, it actualy is this simples, realy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:30:22 2018 No.10683537 >>10683534 >no one realy got it right what capitalism was That still holds true. Marx somehow remains the best economic analysist, sadly enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:31:23 2018 No.10683543 >>10683510 >implying fascism was just tradition Although I would argue that Marx was so full of this "the proletariat will eventualy win" that he didn't even cared about predicting the future. Probably because he felt he already knew the future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:31:40 2018 No.10683546 >>10683534 >Of course today talk about class conflict is stupid >Soviet fell 30 years ago so the worker's struggle is forever over

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:36:26 2018 No.10683567 >>10683546 Class struggle is precisely intensifying in today's world, I can't imagine how people still spout these liberal illusions.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:37:34 2018 No.10683573

>>10683501
>Now the person needs to fucking predict the future?
He predicts that communism was supposed to happen in advanced countries like the US or Germany. The US made their day job out of staying the fuck out of communism, nazism happened in Germany.
>Who would fucking know that the XX century would be so fullied with such awfull crisis that would give birth to the totalitarian system?
Well, Hugo Bettauer, author of The City Without Jews book, by 1924 adapted to film, predicted the Holocaust, etc. just as Hitler's rise to power was about to happen. Choose your German-speaking prophets carefully.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:39:02 2018 No.10683578

>>10683546
>t. workers
Class struggle is retarded in moderna day. The "workers" are a colletion of individuals who act in the best of their insterest, even at the expence of the business owner. Business owners also struggle, specialy the small business.
Isen't because workers sometimes need to fight their bosses that they are innocent little chieldren at the mercy of evil capitalistic pigs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:41:39 2018 No.10683585 >>10683298 These people look like regular, average people. I could cherrypick an image from a shitty American trailer park with American flags and say oh look how ugly right-wingers are.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:43:19 2018 No.10683596

>>10683567
Soviet dominated the worker's side of 20th century class struggles to such a degree that its brand of it became the only thing many people easily recognize, and that includes among worker's movements, which is why they haven't recovered or successfully adapted (that, and manipulation of groups that actually have adapted to the fall of Soviet, such as capitalist giants, capitalist state intelligence agencies, and Russia which has retained its ties to left-wing movements to push an anti-American/pro-Putin-oligarchy agenda even though Russia is now a fascist state).

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:43:29 2018 No.10683597 >>10683578 Fucking kill yourself you facetious piece of shit, stop talking about things you haven't spent any time on whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:44:21 2018 No.10683601 >>10683578 What the literal fuck are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:54:23 2018 No.10683633 File: 31 KB, 367x401, images-8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He was right about alienation and that is basically it. Ideology is also a nice concept but several after him build how it works better.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 08:55:30 2018 No.10683635

>>10683543
I know, that's what I'm saying. Fascism was, among other things, 'hey wait actually maybe some of this 18th century liberal shit is actually retarded and we should throw the retarded bits out'.
But Marx definitely was working toward a predetermined conclusion

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 09:25:54 2018 No.10683731 >>10683537 He better than most, but figured like Keynes and post Keynes have a more accurate analysis

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 10:24:38 2018 No.10683939 >>10683348 >bitches about people calling him ugly >says that all right-wingers should die You should kill yourself fucking nigger I bet you're a trotskist

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 10:30:31 2018 No.10683963 >>10683391 You do understand that fascism and autocratic governments are not necessarily the same, right?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 10:45:02 2018 No.10684002

>>10683501
>Who would fucking know that the XX century would be so fullied with such awfull crisis that would give birth to the totalitarian system?

Nietzsche did. He saw it coming as a consequence of nihilism and the collapse of organized Christianity.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 10:46:43 2018 No.10684007

>>10683277
>right
different classes have some inherent friction with each other and more democracy is conceptually better
>wrong
communism as he envisioned it isn't really workable because of greed, laziness, demagoguery, and people co-opting the message and sentiment for personal/family/political/etc. gain

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 10:47:51 2018 No.10684017 >>10684007 Also incidentally the flaw of democracy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 10:51:49 2018 No.10684045 >>10683963 Russia isn't autocratic, the oligarchs have far too much influence, which is completely in line with a fascist state.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 10:51:57 2018 No.10684047

>>10683277
forgot about the last part
I don't see how he would be compatible with right-wing beliefs given that his views were extremely leftist
did you mean to say conservative beliefs? because I've met a couple people who would say yes, and I used to be one of them

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:06:37 2018 No.10684124 >>10683597 >>10683601 Hearing autistic screeching only tells me I hit the spot. >>10684002 Where did Nietzche said it would be unlimited govs that would kill the individual? Like, legit, where, I am curious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:12:06 2018 No.10684156 >>10684124 >Where did Nietzche said it would be unlimited govs that would kill the individual? He predicted both the rise of political anti-semitism/nationalism and the spread of communist ideas in the book Will to Power.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:17:30 2018 No.10684185

>>10683501
well it depends how you want to treat economics
if you treat it as part of the humanities it's not needed; if you treat it as a science then it's very important that you be able to make predictions with it
that said fascism was more of a social movement anyway, which tends it very much towards the humanities

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:18:00 2018 No.10684191 >>10684156 If you say, I will believe in you, desu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:21:00 2018 No.10684208 File: 170 KB, 640x427, marxism btfo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He was wrong about everything. Right about nothing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:21:44 2018 No.10684211 Reminder he would have been hugely into HBD

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:23:12 2018 No.10684218

>>10684185
I believe Marx didn't know/did't cared/ couden't do predictions like that. Majority of his economic writting is copy and past from people like Adam Smith, mixed with his own critic of capitalism.
He probably wasen't realy caring for economy as a science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:24:09 2018 No.10684221 >>10684208 I'm a Nazi and this is wrong He's actually pretty okay when he sticks to literally just describing what capitalism does. He's bad at predicting things and even worse at suggesting fixes, but the power relationship shit is on point

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:25:42 2018 No.10684230 >>10683460 >Commies feeding anyone top laff

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:28:28 2018 No.10684246 >>10684221 He doesn't even understand capitalism to begin with, hence he's wrong about everything. Capitalism creates wealth and prosperity, marxism creates death and misery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:30:51 2018 No.10684259 >>10684246 Read more books, anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:31:21 2018 No.10684263 >>10684246 Also learn the difference between wealth and money

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:31:27 2018 No.10684264 Agriculture is a disease. Genghis Khan was the savior of humanity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:31:44 2018 No.10684267 File: 40 KB, 1444x1108, argument1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684259 >>10684263 Leftism doesn't work, deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:32:52 2018 No.10684275 None of you fags read Marx.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:34:44 2018 No.10684282
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>>10684267
I'm a third positionist, not an economic leftist. Marx is good at describing shit, not least because he's a plagiarist Jew. Liberal capitalism has its own problems and creates its own share of misery and death, such a phenomenon isn't exclusive to Marxism or even socialism in general.

Please stop watching Molymeme and PragerU and read some books. You're an embarrassment to the right and it irritates me that I'm associated with you.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!Srz2lnO/STC Mon Feb 12 11:35:16 2018 No.10684286

>>10684267
This is where the terms "left and right" tend to be of no use. Are you trying to say left-liberalism don't work? That is to say mixed economic capitalism that tries to look after the well-being of everyone, doesn't work?
It works to so degree, but that cancerous nature of capitalism eats away at it. It's capitalism that doesn't work, Molymemer.

Not an argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:35:30 2018 No.10684287 File: 39 KB, 780x560, 1509514068738.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684282 >liberal capitalism creates misery and death >anime picture

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:36:41 2018 No.10684292
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>>10684286
Yes, I'm saying it doesn't work as reality has proven. It simply does not work, leftism is cancer.

Capitalism absolutely works, unless you decide to ignore every instance in reality where it has and keep clinging to your stupid leftist ideology that keeps on failing into eternity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:37:08 2018 No.10684294 File: 567 KB, 900x900, 1513536616884-v.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684286 Obviously we just have to deregulate it more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:37:28 2018 No.10684296 >>10683298 >Middle one with scarf is gorg Would eat her arse desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:37:30 2018 No.10684297 >Division of labor is reconcilable with universal human agency lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:39:06 2018 No.10684306 >>10684294 Seeing as heavy regulations caused the 08 financial crisis and prolonged the 29 crash, yes I'd say so. Regulations are cancer, just like unions and anything else government props up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:40:55 2018 No.10684315 >>10684287 >Thinking capitalism doesn't create misery and death caused by poverty >Jew picture Wew, when is JIDF going to leave /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:41:45 2018 No.10684318 >>10684306 I agree fellow Kekistani.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:42:51 2018 No.10684328 >>10684306 >Seeing as heavy regulations caused the 08 financial crisis That's just wrong. Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steagal which contributed heavily to the 08' crisis.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:47:11 2018 No.10684342
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>>10684315
Do tell me of all the misery and death caused by capitalism.

>>10684328
Shadow banking on behalf of the government caused the financial crisis.

>muh regulation

All regulation does is create more inefficiencies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:48:58 2018 No.10684348 >>10683277 there is a wikipedia page about that. "criticism of Marx"

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:49:16 2018 No.10684350

>There is zero evidence this change unleashed the financial crisis. If you tally the institutions that ran into severe problems in 2008-09, the list includes Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, AIG, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, none of which would have come under Glass-Steagall’s restrictions. Even President Obama has recently acknowledged that “there is not evidence that having Glass-Steagall in place would somehow change the dynamic.”

The absolute state of commies.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!Srz2lnO/STC Mon Feb 12 11:50:35 2018 No.10684355

>>10684292
You want to bring up "realism" and promote the biggest farce since Christianity?
It works to destroy us all, you imbecile. Your gods lead us to death.

>>10684328
This.
>>10684342
The wealthy run the government, as the church ran royalty in the past

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:50:59 2018 No.10684359 File: 652 KB, 1588x2246, usuxsd2ex5cy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684342 >That image Wew. I bet you're a mulatto Amerimutt too. http://guerrillaontologies.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:51:22 2018 No.10684361 >>10684045 You do realize there is a lot more to fascism than just simply le ebil dictators or oligarchs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:52:18 2018 No.10684365 File: 101 KB, 312x400, 1516573324275.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684359 But all these people, if only they had lived under a communist regime, would have had clean water, hunger and vaccines?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:53:08 2018 No.10684368 >>10684365 Yep. Malaria is easily preventable, you dumb coon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:53:24 2018 No.10684370 >>10683494 Marx was also antisemitic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:54:33 2018 No.10684373 File: 807 KB, 630x693, 1518233681356.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684368 Why didn't the Soviet Union remove malaria? They had decades to do so. Why doesn't Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea try? Hell even Pol Pot could've tried.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:57:25 2018 No.10684387 >>10683567 How is class struggle "intensifying" today? I don't see it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 11:58:02 2018 No.10684392 >>10684045 The most important part of fascism -the single highly organized party- is missing in Russia. It's just a run-of-the-mill authoritarian oligarchy like hundreds of others.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:02:05 2018 No.10684407

>>10684373
>The official statistics for all of Russia are 143 cases
Lol, do you understand that all those countries you named have been fucked over by American imperialism? This means they can't focus as much on healthcare, as they normally would. Communism is a world stateless "government" which would have all its production and energy put into things like healthcare. Anyway, those countries (esp. Cuba) have had far better healthcare and disease prevention than countries within the same disease bubble with capitalist economy or colony-like economy (where nearly all their goods and resource are being shipped to rich places) e.g. Africa, South East Asia, etc.

Like how you didn't mention China btw
>Prevention of malaria may be more cost-effective than treatment of the disease in the long run, but the initial costs required are out of reach of many of the world's poorest people. There is a wide difference in the costs of control (i.e. maintenance of low endemicity) and elimination programs between countries. For example, in China—whose government in 2010 announced a strategy to pursue malaria elimination in the Chinese provinces—the required investment is a small proportion of public expenditure on health. In contrast, a similar program in Tanzania would cost an estimated one-fifth of the public health budget.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:04:48 2018 No.10684423

>>10684407
Why would I mention a non-communist country in China?

The fact is leftism has always failed throughout history, your dream of communism somehow saving the world all the while being unable to feed their own people doesn't really matter. Keep clinging to a dead ideology whose biggest achievement is bringing death and misery to everyone in its periphery.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:08:37 2018 No.10684443

>>10684423
>China isn't communist but Khmer Rouge are communist because they killed so many people, and China is relatively successful.
Wew. So, is Evil Mao a communist but the country he led isn't because it's now a successful world power?

>always failed
Only ones failing are the right, who seem to think they can always keep things in place forever. Keep lauding the wealthy, you disgusting wage cuck.

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>>10684443
Is Mao's China the current China? No, as you can see people are not forced to build a mini factory in their backyard, nor are they randomly visited and shot by the thought police because they felt like it.

What I don't understand is, you seem to be seething because capitalism is the best economic system there is while leftism will always fail. Why don't you move to some leftist shit hole and leave your comfortable back in a capitalist country behind?

Venezuela, North Korea and Cuba are destinations you should move to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:12:07 2018 No.10684461 >>10684373 Cuba has no malaria lol

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:13:59 2018 No.10684470

>>10684361
>nationalism
>traditionalism
>spooking with enemies within and out
>no freedom of press or expression
>strong man holding all open political power
>strong ties to national private interests
>not fascism
>>10684392
United Russia fits the bill, Putin has simply consolidated enough power to no longer need to be part of it, but he was part of it until he'd done so, and the party remains his lapdog. That they pretend to hold free elections is just a farce, when popular opponents are murdered, critics disappeared, the news controlled, internet censored etc..

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:15:01 2018 No.10684476

>>10684457
Show me one instance of people "building a mini factory in their backyard" or being "shot by the thought police because they felt like it". Oh yes, it's probably something no one has recorded because the evil communists destroyed the evidence! Oy vey! Time to get away from reddit and Jewish economics, twelvie.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:19:11 2018 No.10684497

>>10684423
>The fact is leftism has always failed throughout history
Labour unions are "leftist." You would not have liked industrialism before strong labour unions. Every security you have in a capitalist society is a result of "leftist" struggle. Many "leftist" union men died to the guns of capitalist oppressors and their criminal goons both mobsters and police, in the U.S. too. The "freedom" your spoiled middle class takes for granted was build on decades of the blood, sweat and tears of "leftists." You dishonour them and their memory, and if everyone else was like you, you would be doomed to toil until your body was a wreck, after which you'd be tossed aside to die. You know nothing about the history of your class, and like the anti-intellectual you are, you're proud of that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:19:22 2018 No.10684499 >>10684461 Neither does many of the capitalist states, what's your point? >>10684476 >people in China weren't forced to create iron >people in China weren't killed en masse by Mao's secret police And the holocaust never happened.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:20:32 2018 No.10684510 File: 25 KB, 458x418, 1499656582393.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684497 >we wuz unionz n sheeit Unions are cancer, nothing but rent-seeking garbage. Take them with you to the gulag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:20:56 2018 No.10684513 >>10684499 >>why doesn't Cuba try to remove malaria >they did >>WHAT'S YOUR POINTLELELEL

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:21:10 2018 No.10684514 >>10684499 He said that Cuba never eradicated malaria lol, can you read? People were killed en masse by Kuomintang's army - and not "secretly" either. Whole villages were flooded on purpose. >And the holocaust never happened. Now you're getting it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:22:15 2018 No.10684520 >No program that makes 1 of 3 shitholers impotent Would solve a lot of problems.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:27:27 2018 No.10684545

>>10684510
Did you know that gulags were a holdover from Tzarist Russia (they were called "katorga" then), and that likely less than 10 million people died in Communist gulags during the entirety of the Soviet Union's existence, despite the massive damages done to pre-industrialized Russian agriculture and infrastructure by the Germans during WW2? Stalin was pure shit, and I disagree with many other core Soviet policies, including the gulags (I merely don't blame them all on Soviet), the lack of democracy, the imperialism and many such things, yet I do so after acknowledging a more nuanced and factual picture of early Soviet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:29:25 2018 No.10684558 >>10684510 Soviet Russia had huge trade unions all its life

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:32:11 2018 No.10684578
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>>10684513
>they did
Yet malaria exists and kills people. So much for communism saving the world.

>>10684514
So the left are historical revisionists, explains it all.

>>10684545
>10 million
10 million too many, not to mention the practice of "freeing" their slaves when they were on the verge of dying. Strange to only bring up deaths as if Gulags alone, dying in there or not, weren't something so grossly inhumane.

Gulags aren't even unique to leftist shit holes, yet in them is where most people were sent to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:33:14 2018 No.10684584 >>10684558 >an inefficient shit hole has inefficient garbage wow makes me think

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:34:38 2018 No.10684595

>>10684578
>not to mention the practice of "freeing" their slaves when they were on the verge of dying
Which is accounted for in the estimate. But do you want death tolls in capitalist countries? Or don't they count since they died because of market conditions instead of state policy (other than capitalism being a state policy in itself, of course)? Are unjust deaths only unacceptable in "leftist" nations?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:39:57 2018 No.10684630

>>10684342
We need some regulations to protect peoples rights and property in cases where producers and corporations wouldn't otherwise have the incentive to do so. E.g. the environment isn't going to protect itself, and corporations have no incentive to do so, and therefore we need regulations to protect the environment. There's pretty much no other way to do this, so regulation is our only choice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:41:56 2018 No.10684639 >>10684497 >>10684497 >>10684497 Absolutely this It's fucking shameful how people will shit on the achievements of the working class.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:44:45 2018 No.10684647

>>10684230
I'm actually on you "side", and I'm not a communist, but tbqh this is a retarded non-argument. Obviously anyone can make fertilizer regardless of their political and economic views, and the fertilizer will work just as well regardless of who made it.

Try being intellectually honest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:45:51 2018 No.10684655 >>10684296 >3/10 caked up in make up is gorg Low standards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:48:37 2018 No.10684669 >>10684655 That's solidly a 55/100.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:51:51 2018 No.10684686 >>10684669 >overweight >caked in make up Take the make up away, it's a 3/10.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 12:54:13 2018 No.10684697 >>10684686 >take away the make-up This is how I know you don't actually know how to score women. How the fuck are you gonna "remove the make-up" of every woman you meet with the lads? And how the fuck does it matter as long as they keep it on?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:12:42 2018 No.10684789 >>10684595 Death tolls attributed directly to capitalism? Sure. Tell me how the right of private property and free markets killed millions and millions of people.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:17:29 2018 No.10684824

>>10684789
LOL
>well, when someone dies in a communist state it's communism's fault
>when someone dies in a capitalist state that's just life!

authoritarianism is at least more honest because you can draw a straight line from it to people killed, capitalism makes the line into a squiggle where responsibility is so diffused any shithead can say "well it just happened"

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:23:27 2018 No.10684865

>>10684824
When someone dies in a country that pre-communism was a food exporter, only to become a food-importer after communism, yes that is the fault of communism. Or when someone dies because the state took everything they produced, in the same of communism. Or when someone dies because the secret police decided to kill them, send them to gulag to die or any other method they applied. Yes, all the above can be directly attributed to communism.

Someone dying from not having clean water, malaria, having eaten too many hamburgers at McDonalds or for being stupid enough to run across a highway can not be attributed to capitalism.

Only a leftist retard would think in this way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:24:19 2018 No.10684870 >human nature Doesn't exist. Stop parroting it.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:32:22 2018 No.10684907

>>10684865
>some poor shithole is exploited by foreign capitalists
>have no natural resources that aren't owned and guarded by foreign capitalists
>capitalist industries destroy the ecosystems through deforestation and waste disposal
>capitalist backers prop up the oppressive government or back insurgency groups if the democratically elected government tries to seize the nation's wealth somehow
>there's no wealth, no economy, nothing to eat, no medicine, no education, outside of a few factories where you have to slavishly work 12-hour days while breathing in nerve gas emissions from the work process
>this has nothing to do with capitalism, it's just the invisible hand of human nature

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:32:46 2018 No.10684910

>>10684865
of course capitalism is responsible for the first two and possibly for the third as well. I mean it's really funny how you're cherrypicking absurd examples instead of using something more realistic like dying homeless on the streets, dying because your gofundme for insulin/cancer treatment/influenza/some other treatable health problem didn't manage to raise enough money, dying because you don't have enough money to pay rent, food etc. and a variety of other reasons. and yes, not havign clean water under a capitalist system is the fault of capitalism since it is profit-driven which means if there's more profit in you not having clean water you won't have it.
not to mention all the people that don't die but continue living in these shitty conditions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:34:59 2018 No.10684923 >>10684124 his dad Jordan Peterson told him so

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:35:09 2018 No.10684924

>>10684907
>some poor shithole is exploited by foreign capitalists
Can't be exploited when they voluntarily agree to a contract.

>have no natural resources that aren't owned and guarded by foreign capitalists
Again, no one forced them to not control these themselves.

>capitalist industries destroy the ecosystems through deforestation and waste disposal
I'd argue humans and not capitalism, after all the Aral Sea is not more and was never in capitalist hands.

>capitalist backers prop up the oppressive government or back insurgency groups if the democratically elected government tries to seize the nation's wealth somehow
Again, something not mutually exclusive to capitalism, this has been done throughout history by all kinds of governments.

>there's no wealth, no economy, nothing to eat, no medicine, no education, outside of a few factories where you have to slavishly work 12-hour days while breathing in nerve gas emissions from the work process
How is this a proponent of capitalism again?

Countries having a low standard of living and being poor is not the fault of capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:36:17 2018 No.10684929 >>10684910 How the fuck is capitalism responsible? All these problems have existed throughout history long before capitalism. They existed during socialism as well, were they then a fault of socialism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:36:57 2018 No.10684936 >>10684924 >Countries having a low standard of living and being poor is not the fault of capitalism. But when it happens under communism, it's the fault of communism only?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:37:03 2018 No.10684938 File: 34 KB, 455x450, contract.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684924 >Can't be exploited when they voluntarily agree to a contract.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:40:09 2018 No.10684952

>>10683534
>today talk about class conflict is stupid
?
Economic stratification is worse now than at any point in recorded history though. Oligarchs buy power while half the world lives on 2$ a day in a vast network of sweatshops and pre industrial farms

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:40:11 2018 No.10684953 >>10684373 >why didn't Stalin cure Dengue fever? hmmm really activated my almonds anon

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:40:35 2018 No.10684957

>>10684936
If it happens DUE TO communism, then yes. If communism actively suppresses a state, say Holodomor for example, then yes. If the secret police comes to your farm and steals all your produced goods in the name of communism, then yes you starving to death is the fault of communism.

A country merely being poor while others are rich is not due to capitalism, wealth inequalities existed long before capitalism did. After all, we all start out with nothing, we are all born poor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:40:41 2018 No.10684959 >>10684929 yo dumbass famines, secret police, killing/purging political enemies, expropriation existed before socialism too so why are they the fault of socialism

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:41:43 2018 No.10684962 >>10684957 >After all, we all start out with nothing, we are all born poor. AHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:42:12 2018 No.10684965 File: 227 KB, 1500x1000, maxresdefault[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684938 pic related >>10684959 If they happen under socialism, in the name of socialism - because of socialism, then yes, it is the fault of socialism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:43:01 2018 No.10684973 Can you guys fuck off back to plebbit? You're decreasing the collective IQ of the website by at least 10 points.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:43:19 2018 No.10684975

>>10684957
There does not exist a single document or witness report or photo or anything whatsoever that suggests the Holodomor was intentional.
>>10684965
But when it happens under capitalism, in the name of profit, then it is not the fault of capitalism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:43:29 2018 No.10684977 >>10684387 It's just harder to see because today it largely takes place cross-border. It's there; we just have a hard time seeing it from under our cupola. Go spend some time in Bangladesh and tell me class isn't an issue today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:44:04 2018 No.10684980 >>10684938 wtf don't you know that black people can't exploit others? Check your privilege

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:44:29 2018 No.10684984

>>10684965
>If they happen under socialism, in the name of socialism - because of socialism, then yes, it is the fault of socialism.
and these also happen under capitalism, in the name of capitalism (how many times have you heard of freemarket as an argument against universal healthcare or just buying apartments for the homeless or any social program) - because of capitalism
how are you this fucking dense

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:46:02 2018 No.10684992

>>10684975
>H-holodomor wasn't intentional

I guess it wasn't intentional to take all the food from the farmers either. Was the posters asking the people not to eat their children intentional though?

Do tell me when people have been enslaved, put into work camps, purged/killed en masse due to different political beliefs by secret police in the name of capitalism? You'd make history as being the first human ever to produce evidence of this.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:47:35 2018 No.10685002

>>10684984
>universal healthcare
>buying apartments/any social program

Both are degenerate and cancerous, neither of them work and are incredibly ineffective as reality has shown us. But then again you retarded leftists always argue for the worst possible outcomes to be the best ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:49:45 2018 No.10685013 >>10684957 >we are all born poor kek'd

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:50:24 2018 No.10685015 >>10685002 >Both are degenerate and cancerous, neither of them work and are incredibly ineffective as reality has shown us. except this is literally untrue

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:51:54 2018 No.10685024

>>10684992
>You'd make history as being the first human ever to produce evidence of this
I'd certainly like someone to make history by being the first person to produce as much as a smidgeon of evidence that the Holodomor wasn't just a result of the war, natural famine, huge incompetence during the recently started reorganization and collectivization of the area's agriculture from Stalin, his bootlickers, and everyone down the hierarchy to local Ukranian level as a result of his anti-intellectual purges. Anything, at all, please. If it was intentional, it should be revealed as such.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:52:04 2018 No.10685026 >>10685015 It is not, the utopian dream of universal healthcare or somehow magically giving everybody everything (such as housing) are just that, utopian dreams. They do not work in reality as history has shown us.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:53:07 2018 No.10685032 >>10685024 >huge incompetence That's leftism in a nutshell, otherwise they wouldn't be leftists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:53:54 2018 No.10685035 >>10685026 except they do

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:55:27 2018 No.10685042

>>10685035
Where? When? Grossly inefficient programs that eat up money and create misery for everyone involve.

Wealth is created, not redistributed. Neither wealth or money grows on trees.

Why doesn't the government buy everyone a Ferrari? I think they deserve it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:55:44 2018 No.10685043 >>10685032 hurr durr

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 13:58:57 2018 No.10685057 >>10685042 >Where? When? everywhere where there's a universal health care system you fucking imbecile

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:01:27 2018 No.10685071 >>10685042 >socialism and universal healthcare is comparable to the state buying everyone Ferraris from privately owned factories Did this make more sense in your head?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:02:15 2018 No.10685077

>>10684992
>Do tell me when people have been enslaved, put into work camps... in the name of capitalism?
Nestle got big props when they admitted to using child slaves, because most corporation do it and it was good too see them take a bit of initiative. Yes, they were praised for admitting to using slaves.
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/feb/01/nestle-slavery-thailand-fighting-child-labour-lawsuit-ivory-coast

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:05:15 2018 No.10685090 >>10684992 >kulaks hoarding and destroying crops that were basically gifted by the SU for people don't deserve punishment >a famine happens in an area known for historical famines gush dern commies

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:08:03 2018 No.10685103

>>10685057
You would know that such system as worse than their alternative if you had any kind of knowledge. It sounds good, just like everything leftism proposes sounds good, in reality it doesn't work though and turns out to be way worse.

>>10685071
Where do you draw the line? Why not buy everyone ferraris, if that's what they want? After all are you are doing is steal money from some only to give some of that away to others.

>>10685077
>The unusual disclosure comes from Geneva-based Nestlé itself, which in an act of self-policing announced the conclusions of its year-long internal investigation on Monday. The study found virtually all US and European companies buying seafood from Thailand are exposed to the same risks of abuse in their supply chains.

So it's not Nestlé but their suppliers who engaged in child slavery. Again, how is this a fault of capitalism? If anything capitalism helped stop child slavery here because Nestlé helped combat it, no?

>>10685090
Yes, only in socialist countries have famines occurred so frequently. Only in socialist countries have the country gone from net-export to net-import of food.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:08:04 2018 No.10685104 File: 370 KB, 900x593, 1518198047487.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Socialism is definitely compatible with right-wing views, the imaginary 'communism' that leftists like to dream about definitely isn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:09:46 2018 No.10685115 >>10685103 >Why not buy everyone ferraris, if that's what they want? Because a state would require a truly awesome industrial capacity to do so without it negatively affecting other more vital sectors, such as healthcare.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:10:56 2018 No.10685118

>>10685103
So a capitalist corporation knowingly uses supply chains staffed by slaves, which another capitalist country offers on the free market, but neither of these capitalist countries bear any responsibility, let alone the capitalist system as a whole? Are you sniffing glue or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:11:25 2018 No.10685121 >>10684924 >Countries having a low standard of living and being poor is not the fault of capitalism. developing nations being entirely unable to compete with developed nations in the global market is 100% the fault of """""free""""" market capitalism

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:11:45 2018 No.10685124 >>10684306 >heavy regulations caused the 08 financial crisis Reactionaries are completely unmoored from reality

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:12:28 2018 No.10685126 >>10685103 >in reality it doesn't work though and turns out to be way worse. IT WORKS IN REALITY YOU DUMB FUCK every universal healthcare system is miles ahead of the american let-them-die system, that's just a fact

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:12:59 2018 No.10685129 >>10683282 Marxist delusion. >>10683298 Hey, I know some of them. Why is a grandma there? She isn't young.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:13:51 2018 No.10685135 >>10685121 no you see, when the IMF offers them loans with conditions that cut them off at the knees that's just business, it's their fault they fail

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:13:53 2018 No.10685137 >>10685129 Maybe she identifies as a young person?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:14:11 2018 No.10685139 >>10683397 So do countless things. Holy shit this website is retarded

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:14:57 2018 No.10685145
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>>10685115
Why? You pay for it the same way you expect to pay for healthcare.

>>10685118
>knowingly
By the link you provided, I am told they didn't know about it but when they found out they tried to put a stop to such practices.

>>10685121
What is stopping you from competing with anyone? No one is stopping you, it's the beauty of free market capitalism.

>>10685124
The information is not hidden, it's free for anyone to research.

>>10685126
>American let-them-die system
First of all, got any proof of this? People dying on the streets because they aren't getting healthcare in the U.S.?

And secondly, every "universal" healthcare system is inferior to the market based U.S. systems, not only is the healthcare worse in quality but also in quantity, while the costs are much higher.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:15:19 2018 No.10685149 >>10684007 HOOOMANNNN NACHUURRRRRRR please die

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:15:41 2018 No.10685152 >>10683277 What right wing beliefs do you mean? Marx thought sexual, ethnic, and religious divisions were mostly means of distracting people from capital.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:16:12 2018 No.10685153 >>10684246 Not an argument. Suicide is an option.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:16:29 2018 No.10685155 >>10685145 >Why? You pay for it the same way you expect to pay for healthcare. You're gonna have to explain to me in detail what the fuck that is supposed to mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:16:43 2018 No.10685156 >>10684292 Eugenics also works. Please take note of it and eliminate yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:18:46 2018 No.10685166 >>10685155 You expect to pay for one group by stealing from another, that system is not unique to say healthcare or housing. Why not buy everyone a Ferrari, or food for the whole year, or anything else they desire? Where does the entitlement stop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:19:07 2018 No.10685169 >>10684423 If leftism had always failed we'd still be living under absolute monarchies

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:19:54 2018 No.10685174 File: 20 KB, 289x372, com.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685169 Gladly it failed so we could live under the glorious economic system that is capitalism. God bless the failures of leftism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:19:58 2018 No.10685176 >>10685145 >First of all, got any proof of this? People dying on the streets because they aren't getting healthcare in the U.S.? http://www.newsweek.com/texas-woman-dies-flu-because-she-couldnt-afford-tamiflu-medication-802968

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:21:05 2018 No.10685181 >>10685149 it will die when commies stop bringing up 'primitive communism' or other bullshit about early human societies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:21:14 2018 No.10685182 >>10685166 >Ferrari This is the same brainless argument rightwingers make for abolishing the minimum wage - "Why not make it 100$ and hour and make everyone rich huh? Check and mate!"

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:22:25 2018 No.10685188

>>10685176
>Speaking to The Wall Street Journal, Frank Holland said that his wife decided not to take the medication after she discovered it would cost her $116.

A persons stupidity cannot be attributed to an economic system. She made an active choice of not paying a mere $116, instead the decided to pay with her life. God bless social Darwinism.

She had the opportunity to treatment, she chose not to and paid the price.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:23:28 2018 No.10685192 File: 46 KB, 480x480, minimum wage meme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685182 Do you have a counter argument as to why the minimum wage shouldn't be $100? Why stop at $10, $15 or $20?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:23:47 2018 No.10685194

>>10685145
>In the last six months Verité has been involved in two high-profile disclosures from major brands and one of the most important lessons for us to recognize is that in neither case did the companies suffer greatly in terms of being associated with these labor conditions.
I'm sure Nike will learn about Chinese sweat shops pretty soon. I wonder when Coke will hear about the union leaders being assassinated and Cadbury will hear about the child labor in West Africa. Such deeply hidden mysteries...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:25:00 2018 No.10685202 >>10685176 Sounds like a bigger problem with big pharma than actual healthcare. Would universal force them to lower their medicine prices or will they tax everyone more to make up the costs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:25:32 2018 No.10685205 >>10685194 If anything, companies such as Nike has been forced to change due to capitalism to act upon such sweat shops by establishing company code of conduct and so on. Change doesn't happen overnight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:26:22 2018 No.10685210 >>10685166 Hold on, who's being stolen from, again? Do you know how democracy works?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:28:09 2018 No.10685221 >>10685192 >Do you have a counter argument as to why the minimum wage shouldn't be $100? Because of the purely organizational issue that it would not fucking work very well?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:28:16 2018 No.10685222
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>>10685210
Whoever is forced to pay for the governments ever increasing budgets. In the U.S. it's the high-income earners, in Sweden it's everyone who reports their income to the government.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:29:19 2018 No.10685226 File: 153 KB, 384x390, 1503926003973.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685221 Why does $15 work and not $50 or $100?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:30:54 2018 No.10685234 >>10685202 Abolish copyright and make all the doctors become state employees. This will never happen in the US tho. But it's easier in less cucked countries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:31:07 2018 No.10685236 >>10685188 die >>10685202 >Would universal force them to lower their medicine prices yes, that's why single-payer is better, because you're serving a whole country you have more leverage in negotiations

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:31:39 2018 No.10685238 >>10685226 Did you know that being disingenious on purpose generally only earns you scorn and riddicule outside of 9gag and /b/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:32:16 2018 No.10685239 File: 7 KB, 225x225, 1517269057915.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685236 >can pay for medicine >decides not to >dies Indeed, she did 'die'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:33:28 2018 No.10685242 >>10685238 You're yet to explain why $15 is the holy grail.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:33:37 2018 No.10685244

>>10685205
I'm sorry, your argument was that if I could show slavery happening because of capitalism
>You'd make history as being the first human ever to produce evidence of this.
Now you've move the goal posts. Capitalism enticed them to help the bottom line by using slaves. Capitalism as a system was a direct reason for them choosing these supply routes. Sure, people don't like slavery and they will try their best to improve their image, but even Nestle still uses slaves. This is a real economic reality under capitalism and you're playing the same game communists love: 'not muh real capitalism'. Get over yourself.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:34:07 2018 No.10685247

>>10685192
>>10685226
eventually, when inflation gets to that point in a 100 years, it will be 100$
right now it can't because that's too much money for business owners to pay out
what you're doing now is using the logic "if raising to A is too much then why is raising to B ok?" which is as retarded as asking "if fucking a 35 year old is fine why isn't fucking a one year old baby fine too?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:36:25 2018 No.10685261 File: 35 KB, 480x480, US Bombing List Of Countries Attacked And Bombed Liberal Rationalists.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10684924 Pictured: voluntary, contractual resource exchange

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:37:05 2018 No.10685266

>>10685244
Slavery has existed throughout history, it would be naive to think that slavery would be completely abolished in the short time span that capitalism has been used. Though capitalism has done a good job so far to get rid of slavery.

>>10685247
So there will be no inflation at $15, only at $100? Inflation is only one problem though, there are others with setting an artificial minimum wage.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:37:13 2018 No.10685267

>>10685236
But than thats much less money in the states pocket. If were going to be charging the rich more and they will pay it why charge less? Why wouldnt doctoes want better salaries if there are much more patients there would likely be in a single payer system if america adopted it? How many more doctors would need to be hired? Would we have to import more doctors taking away from other countries?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:38:16 2018 No.10685275 >>10685261 >U.S. foreign policy >capitalism here we go

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:39:40 2018 No.10685285 >>10685266 >Slavery has existed throughout history, it would be naive to think that slavery would be completely abolished literally the same arguments that communists are using in this thread, and I don't even think you even see the irony here

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:40:22 2018 No.10685292 >>10685226 Why be greedy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:40:41 2018 No.10685294 >>10685242 That I don't equate $15 with $100 does not mean $15 is "the Holy Grail."

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:42:56 2018 No.10685300

>>10685285
The irony is you claiming slavery is somehow a component of capitalism, when slavery has been reduced by far the most under one system only, capitalism.

>>10685292
Greed is a part of man.

>>10685294
So why not any other number than $15? All you are doing is artificially set something, why does the number matter if it's all artificial anyways?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:43:53 2018 No.10685305 >>10685300 Artificial, what the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:44:09 2018 No.10685307

>>10685266
>So there will be no inflation at $15, only at $100?
if you're asking whether raising the minimum wage will increase inflation, I don't know
>Inflation is only one problem though, there are others with setting an artificial minimum wage.
no there aren't, and if there are they're minor
>>10685267
>But than thats much less money in the states pocket.
how? and if it is, so what?
>If were going to be charging the rich more and they will pay it why charge less?
because if you don't charge less then the poor can't pay? I don't think you understand what a universal health care system is about at all.
>Why wouldnt doctoes want better salaries if there are much more patients there would likely be in a single payer system if america adopted it?
and what if they want better salaries? I want to fuck christina hendricks, it's not gonn happen.
>How many more doctors would need to be hired? Would we have to import more doctors taking away from other countries?
no idea and don't care.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:44:40 2018 No.10685311 >>10685305 Yes, you're artificially setting a minimum wage so why does the number matter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:44:53 2018 No.10685313 >>10685300 >Greed is a part of man. And?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:45:20 2018 No.10685315 >>10685300 >So why not any other number than $15? All you are doing is artificially set something, why does the number matter if it's all artificial anyways? this lack of intelligence is impenetrable, you're just too stupid

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:45:37 2018 No.10685318

>>10685300
you sound like a good old fashion capitalist comrade now. the movement of history will bring the true form of capitalism out and whatever problems we face now could never be a problem with capitalism because it's the perfect and immutable end to history. Man, even Fukuyama isn't a Fukuyamaist today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:45:41 2018 No.10685319 >>10685307 >I don't know about inflation Yet you argue about it. >no there are no other problems Perhaps read econ 101 before you argue about economics?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:46:43 2018 No.10685324 File: 339 KB, 250x167, dylan dylan dylan.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685311 >if you set a minimum wage it stops mattering what it is

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:47:27 2018 No.10685330

>>10685242
It's about where it would be if the minimum wage were still tied to inflation.
Sure it's a bit arbitrary, but ultimately the argument is that companies shouldnt be able to pay their employees a wage which necessitates that they get subsidized by the government in order to survive

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:48:30 2018 No.10685334 >>10685300 >when slavery has been reduced by far the most under one system only, capitalism. Marxists agree with you, and I'm serious.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:48:30 2018 No.10685335

>>10685313
How do you propose to get rid of it? I mean after all it is your greed that wants to artificially set a minimum wage.

>>10685315
Yet you cannot comprehend why you're wrong about minimum wages. Everyone's stupid but you.

>>10685318
How could I not be considering all the wonders it has brought me and my loved ones.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:50:29 2018 No.10685346

>>10685324
By your logic that is indeed the case, yet you have not explained why that is so.

>>10685330
Isn't that a problem of government subsidizing in the first place then? Work contracts are mutual, no one is forcing you to sign a contract, if you feel like you are not paid enough you are free to take another job. The state effectively subsidizing companies is exactly what I as a capitalist despise and fight against.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:51:14 2018 No.10685350 >>10685335 If the people's demand was motivated by greed they would ask for more than 15$ an hour. On second thought, you're right, maybe they should.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:51:22 2018 No.10685352 >>10685319 I'm not arguing about inflation, I mentioned it as a factor in the "when will the min wage be 100$" retarded question. And I suggest you read econ 101 and further instead of devouring simpletons like friedman and sowell.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:52:04 2018 No.10685355

>>10685275
>Biggest government program in world history
>Decades of oil and proxy wars
>I-its not like it was about money or anything b-baka
The American military industrial complex is the most grotesque parasite in existence today and you're a fucking idiot if you think contractors and pmcs aren't about their money and resources
It's no coincidence that Western interests tend to buy up the countries they """liberate"""

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:52:15 2018 No.10685357 File: 53 KB, 504x380, so6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685350 People ask for way more than $15.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:53:01 2018 No.10685360

>>10685335
>Yet you cannot comprehend why you're wrong about minimum wages. Everyone's stupid but you.
it has already been explained to you but you don't seem to even register it:
the reason why 100$ isn't being proposed is that it would be too much - the businesses wouldn't be able to take it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:53:18 2018 No.10685367 >>10685352 You are, by arguing about a minimum wage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:54:08 2018 No.10685373 >>10685367 no I'm not you simple motherfucker

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:54:21 2018 No.10685375

>>10685335
I have to give up man, this isn't going anywhere. I really hope this isn't actually your attempt at an argument and you've just gone reactionary now that you're on defense. You're trying to take on some really big ideas right now, and I applaud you for that; but considering the board we're on, I'll have to tell you to read more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:54:33 2018 No.10685377 >>10685355 Yes, and no capitalist likes it. It is probably one of the most criticized things from the capitalist side. >>10685360 And how is $15 not too much? Keep in mind the real minimum wage is $0.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:54:40 2018 No.10685379 >>10685357 Good for them, most do need it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:56:29 2018 No.10685386 >>10685375 On the defense? When was I ever on the defense. If anything I have been, and rightfully so, constantly attacking the dangerous ideology of socialism. >>10685379 I need a Ferrari, perhaps I should ask for one.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:57:07 2018 No.10685389

>>10685266
>So there will be no inflation at $15, only at $100? Inflation is only one problem though
Inflation is only a problem if it gets to hyperinflation, a predictable rate encourages people to participate in the economy.
Raising the minimum wage is not equivalent to printing money nor is it so destructive, since poor people actually spend their money in their communities rather than just dumping it into automation or foreign sweatshops

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:57:13 2018 No.10685391 >>10685377 >And how is $15 not too much? Keep in mind the real minimum wage is $0. 15$ isn't too much because the economy can take it, that's practically the definition of "not too much"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:57:18 2018 No.10685392 >>10685386 Good luck with that but, in truth, nobody needs a Ferrari.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 14:59:40 2018 No.10685400 >>10685346 >By your logic that is indeed the case, yet you have not explained why that is so. How does that follow by my logic?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:00:40 2018 No.10685405

>>10685389
Inflation is always a problem since it's a hidden tax.

As I said, inflation is only one problem of artificially raising the minimum wage and it's not nearly as destructive as printing money.

>>10685391
>the economy can take it
How? Artificially raising the minimum wage will hurt the economy regardless of the number you choose.

>>10685392
What do you know about what I need?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:01:44 2018 No.10685413 >>10685400 Because the same type damage is done whether the minimum wage is set at $1 or $100, the real minimum wage will always be $0.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:02:28 2018 No.10685423 >>10685413 Fucking what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:03:40 2018 No.10685427 You just wrote that you need a Ferrari, anon.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:03:57 2018 No.10685430

>>10685405
>How? Artificially raising the minimum wage will hurt the economy regardless of the number you choose.
except it empirically won't, or the hurt will be miniscule which is a good tradeoff for people having money to pay rent, food and other amenities (in other words, spend in those businesses you seem to care so much about)

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:04:40 2018 No.10685437

>>10685346
I mean, the Walmarts of the world don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts. They only get effectively subsidized because we've decided we're cool with them paying their employees less than what's needed for food and shelter. So either you make them pay up or wait for mass starvation and homelessness to reduce population density until 7.50 an hour is enough to make rent.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:06:12 2018 No.10685447

>>10685386
Well, given the fact you're arguing against many people, and the fact that you seem to be the only one who actually sees capitalism as something inherently flawless, yes, you are on the defense. I'm tempted to jump into the wage debate to try and explain basic economic theory to you as well but I really don't think it will go any further than the original conversation.
>constantly attacking the dangerous ideology of socialism
you basically succeeded in parroting the socialist argument back to me with the word "capitalism" subbed in where needed. that's why I was hoping you didn't actually see this:
>muh family is happy so how couldn't it be perfect?
as a good and useful argument to make. I hope I didn't give benefit of the doubt where it's not needed.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:06:13 2018 No.10685448

>>10685391
Maybe the richer parts of the country.(whose living wage can usually exceed 15 and hour) Idk businesses in say middle america could afford a minimum wage that high. Decent state issue I guess. But I live in new york and 15 and hour is basically s not livable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:06:37 2018 No.10685451 >>10683277 Wrong: LBV Primitive communism Proletariat dictatorship Right: Attempts to implement his ideas were bloody, just like he predicted. Compatibility with right-wing beliefs: Look up national bolshevism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:08:42 2018 No.10685464 >>10683494 >>10684370 As was Bakunin. Kropotkin is the only one I've read that wasn't anti-semite. I haven't read all of him, desu. >>10684373 Taleb is an hack. AN HACK.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:09:14 2018 No.10685466

>>10685377
>no capitalist likes it
That's a stretch, the libertarians don't like it on principle but that's it for mainstream criticisms of American militarism that I'm aware of.
Others can pay it some lip service, but at the end of the day they still vote for it and their lobbyists are at best indifferent

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:11:23 2018 No.10685479 >>10683494 sounds like a psychopath

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:11:23 2018 No.10685480 >>10685405 >Inflation is always a problem since it's a hidden tax That's what I think you're missing though, it's not a hidden tax if you're actually spending your money

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:12:14 2018 No.10685485 >>10685479 Merely a modernist, drunk on pure ideology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:12:33 2018 No.10685488 >>10685448 if they can't they'll fail and a better business will take over their niche

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:13:44 2018 No.10685496 >>10685488 Great way to be the united states of amazon I guess

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:14:53 2018 No.10685502
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>>10685423
You don't understand minimum wage yet you argue for it.

>>10685430
Except it empirically does hurt the economy. Artificially raising the minimum wage does not change the fact that the real minimum wage is $0, do you know about the correlation between supply and demand or inflation? More people having money for rent, food and other things will in the long run drive up these prices, i.e you earning $15/h but having less purchasing power means you're in the same boat as before.

The hurt also comes in the form of unemployment, less people will be hired as they are artificially priced out of the jobs market.

>>10685437
I don't agree with government subsidizing as it is is economically damaging and ineffective. And companies such as Walmart would pay more if it wasn't for subsidizing.

>>10685466
So blame the people not capitalism.

>>10685480
So basically you want people to only spend, never save? That's not very healthy for an economy nor the people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:18:30 2018 No.10685517 >>10685502 >Except it empirically does hurt the economy. no it doesn't, you're mixing up "empirical" with "I wrote it so it's true"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:20:11 2018 No.10685526 >>10685517 >causing more unemployment, reduction in production and profits does not hurt the economy In what world do you live in?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:23:04 2018 No.10685544 >>10685526 again, "my assertions" =/= "empirical"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:26:19 2018 No.10685560 File: 119 KB, 720x900, bernie7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685544 Reality = my assertion = empirical

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:30:15 2018 No.10685580

>>10685502
>companies such as Walmart would pay more if it wasn't for subsidizing.
Gonna need to see a more explicit argument for this one , what impetus could a Walmart have to stop paying their employees as little as they can get away with.
>So blame the people
Are you familiar with the saying "don't hate the player"? Business is game theoretically incentivized to behave in this way, if yours doesn't all that happens is it loses in competition to one that does

>Only spend never save
So put savings in a mutual fund or invest in a local business. Some guy hoarding as much money as he can in a tax Haven is actively detrimental

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:32:41 2018 No.10685590

>>10685560
none of your claims have anything other than weird logical examples that strip any and all context behind them
it's like a person who does only a quarter of their first year physics course and think they can solve any problem with that knowledge but don't know that air resistance and friction are a thing that exists (because they only did a quarter of the course) so their calculations are always off

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:32:46 2018 No.10685591 >>10685580 >So put savings in a mutual fund or invest in a local business. Some guy hoarding as much money as he can in a tax Haven is actively detrimental Why don't austrians get this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:36:29 2018 No.10685606 >>10685300 >Greed is a part of man. Then why do people volunteer or donate to charities? Why do these organisations exist at all?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:40:28 2018 No.10685622
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>>10683282
Nonsense. We are superior to you in every regard. The only great achievements of the Left in the last century have been normalizing evil, reducing otherwise great civilizations to unsustainable states of degeneracy, and being slaughtered in great droves and fed to pigs--which at least was somewhat useful.

We're better than you. We ARE humanity. You're some sniveling ideologue with a deeply unwarranted sense of self-importance and unearned indignation. Go back to your avocado toast. You've got no culture, only products sold to you by Jews and fads. Culture, by its definition, is Right-Wing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:43:33 2018 No.10685644 >>10683597 Everyone laugh at the assblasted tankies itt

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:44:52 2018 No.10685652 >>10685606 Not him, but our worst tendencies don't necessarily invalidate our best tendencies, or vice-versa. It feels good when we have stuff, and it feels good when we give stuff, these aren't contraditory statements.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:46:01 2018 No.10685657 >>10685622 >We're better than you. We ARE humanity. You're some sniveling ideologue with a deeply unwarranted sense of self-importance and unearned indignation. pot meet kettle

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:46:54 2018 No.10685662 >>10684221 No, his theory on what determines the value of goods and services is completely wrong and this is what he bases his economic theory on.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:47:32 2018 No.10685668

>>10685560
You understand a business wants to profit, not set a high score right?
If they can spend 50$ to make 100$ then they will, always, similarly if they can reliably spend 80$ to make 100$ they'll do that too. If you're business can make more money with more employees then you'll hire them
The idea that another 7$ per bottom tier grunt worker would bankrupt an American company is laughable, especially when they suddenly find that their customers have more money to spend as well. Poor people put their money back in their communities

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:49:14 2018 No.10685679

>>10685580
Because the only reason they get away with it now is because people are willing to take them up on their offers. If no one is willing to take their offer they would have to raise it.

Indeed hoarding in a tax haven is detrimental, but it's absurd that the policy of a government would make people rather keep their money in a detrimental state outside the reach of that government than within.

>>10685590
>still arguing about minimum which he doesn't understand

>>10685606
Because as much as greed is a part of man so is the want to help, a form of utilitarism if you will.

Greed is necessarily not something negative either.

>>10685668
Indeed, businesses wants to profit. Which is why a business that can only afford to hire you at say $10/h will not hire you at anything above that, hence why setting an artificial minimum wage is destructive to the economy, rather than let the market decide wages naturally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:51:22 2018 No.10685697 >>10683277 Everything in the 20th century. Venezuela in the 21st century. Over a hundred million deaths. 'Nuff said. Greedy people must learn to be productive and thus become successful in capitalism or fuck off and stop asking for hand-outs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:52:05 2018 No.10685701 >>10685679 >naturally what

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:52:47 2018 No.10685707 >>10685679 >>still arguing about minimum which he doesn't understand >still doesn't know what empirical means

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:53:51 2018 No.10685715 >>10685622 >This is what american republicans actually believe Imagine having your head this far up your ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:53:52 2018 No.10685716 >>10685707 >he fails to read about the endless cases of damage artificially set numbers by government has caused, including minimum wage

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:54:51 2018 No.10685723

>>10685679
>Which is why a business that can only afford to hire you at say $10/h will not hire you at anything above that, hence why setting an artificial minimum wage is destructive to the economy, rather than let the market decide wages naturally.
Companies don't hire less because they have less money to invest in themselves, they hire less because there is less demand for labour. Rising wages to 15$ won't bankrupt companies, it'll just cut into their profits, marginally. But this not even slow the economy, since those wages will be spent on the market, anyway.

Companies at large won't take these tax cuts to hire more people or raise wages, and they won't fire people as along as there is enough demand for the stuff these workers would help produce. Companies have never been as profitable, but they've never spent as little of their cash on their employees. It is time to spur demand, and that can be done by raising wages.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:59:12 2018 No.10685740

>>10685723
It will literally bankrupt companies, yes. Especially small/newly started companies.

Raising wages artificially means more unemployed people, thus damage to the economy. Let wages be decided by the market, based on voluntary cooperation. Again, wealth is produced not redistributed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 15:59:21 2018 No.10685743 >>10685679 Greed is harmful to man when it inhibits his will to help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:02:12 2018 No.10685752 >>10685740 >Let wages be decided by the market, based on voluntary cooperation. there is no such thing as voluntary cooperation between a worker and a boss if the worker needs money to live

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:04:17 2018 No.10685766 >>10685740 the largest employers in the nation are major firms not small businesses you middle class fascist CATO institute hack

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:05:31 2018 No.10685777 >>10683282 3/10 bait AT MAX. Don't embarrass yourself so much next time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:07:15 2018 No.10685790 >>10683298 I want the one with a scarf to slurp up my cum. I want to ejaculate on her glasses and face.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:07:21 2018 No.10685792

>>10685679
>Because the only reason they get away with it now is because people are willing to take them up on their offers
There is always somebody hungrier than you, and they will always do it for less
Before minimum wage laws whole families lived and were worked to death in 80 hour weeks in factory towns where they made a few dollars a week.
It's not about comfortable suburbanites sitting down to negotiate, it's about desperate people who need to eat food

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:13:10 2018 No.10685821 >>10685740 >It will literally bankrupt companies, yes. Especially small/newly started companies Literal fearmongering.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:26:36 2018 No.10685882

>>10685743
Man is not obliged to help anyone.

>>10685752
Yes there is. No one is forcing you to sign a contract.

>>10685766
And indeed major firms take losses which are put on consumers and workers, through higher prices and less employees.

>>10685792
>before minimum wages
Many places today have no minimum wage yet there's no such thing of what you are talking about.

>>10685821
Reality is scary. Especially when left in the hands of leftists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:30:14 2018 No.10685891 >>10685777 t. Butthurt """"right""""winger

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:30:57 2018 No.10685894 >>10685882 >Yes there is. No one is forcing you to sign a contract. the need for food and shelter is forcing me

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:41:34 2018 No.10685959 >>10685882 >Reality is scary. Especially when left in the hands of leftists. lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:44:59 2018 No.10685985 >>10683282 What if I told that Marxism is state capitalism, right-wing and not real communism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 16:48:04 2018 No.10686005 >>10685985 I'd say you're moving goalposts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 17:29:17 2018 No.10686208 >>10685181 None do. Try again, subhuman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 17:37:36 2018 No.10686246 >>10685174 >they dun do werk like miz!!! Not an argument. Sowell is a fucking moron and an uncle tom.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 17:40:15 2018 No.10686259

>>10683277
>wrong
The whole "world revolution" got shoved ahead unnaturally and just became a government sanction industrial control.
>right
Worker revolutions.
>compatible with right-wing?
Idk about Marx, but Trotsky was. In sure there's a lot that a right winger could get from Marx.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 17:44:00 2018 No.10686277

>>10684470
United Russia doesn't fit that bill at all you dunce, where is the paramilitary wing? Where is the integration of state and party apparatuses? The fact that they have multi-party elections in the first place invalidates your point. You got caught saying something stupid and now you're doubling down on it by saying something even more stupid.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 17:47:25 2018 No.10686293
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>>10683277
EVERY DAY

EVERY FUCKING DAY WE HAVE THIS FUCKING THREAD

E N O U G H

RAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FUUUUCKK

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 17:52:38 2018 No.10686319 File: 197 KB, 700x636, 1515465430436.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10685894 Not a fault of capitalism. >>10685959 Not an argument. >>10686246 No an argument.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 17:57:19 2018 No.10686341

>>10686293
It's Marx. Some fucking faggots wakes up in the morning and thinks to himself, "What should I do today?"

Then, just like in the Grinch christmas special, a huge smile slowly envelops his visage, a shit-eating grin of epic proportions. "I will post a Marx thread!" he says to himself. Then he checks the catalogues to see where his victim will be. He has a three monitor set up, one for /pol/, one for /lit/, and one for /his/. He is fully prepared to shitpost on any one of these boards, or all three with a Marx image and a coy, stupid uninformed question, as if he couldn't post better. Sometimes he will intentionally be ambiguous just to inspire rage.

He is. The Marxposter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:00:28 2018 No.10686361 >>10686341 aka right-wing mong

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:00:43 2018 No.10686363 >>10686341 It's always a bait thread. If it is really just one guy doing this he needs to get the banhammer. He's shitting up /biz/, too. And if you are that guy, please kys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:04:57 2018 No.10686385 Marx was a capitalist who just found a different way to exploit the working class. He's a class traitor and should be gulaged.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:13:42 2018 No.10686431 >>10683296 >I have a co-op with my mother See >>10683286

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:24:03 2018 No.10686495 >>10686361 You're playing into Marxposter's hand with that shitty attitude. You are why he succeeds.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:39:41 2018 No.10686569
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>>10683282
> Marxism gets discredited economically
> Marxism gets discredited philosophically
> Marxism gets discredited in practice half a dozen times
> Some scrawny soyboy born with a silver spoon idolizes a NEET grub
Wow, you're just like every other pathetic excuse for a revolutionary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:44:51 2018 No.10686599 When will people realize the anticapitalist right is the only true path?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:47:34 2018 No.10686616 >>10686599 >anticapitalist right no such thing Fascism is collaboration between the classes. There cannot be class warfare on the right.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:50:52 2018 No.10686633

>>10686319
You pic related is a shit "meme" (if one can even call it that, although I personally object to the chan-ish practice of referring to almost any form of internet-based communication or trolling as "memeing"):
>Overall shit grammar and general linguistic competence.

More specifcally, e.g.:
>Missed a comma between "post" and "any" so now it sounds like you're supposed to post any daughter
>Saying "any daughter you have" makes it redundant and cumbersome to say ". . . or will have will be a coalburner"

Also. . .
>Thinking anyone besides autists, superstitious retards, middle schoolers, and /b/ users cares about this "reply or your scrotum will shrivel n your sleep" post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:50:59 2018 No.10686634 >>10686569 Who is this qt o_0

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:53:04 2018 No.10686645

>>10686634
THe one that killed herself because of lefties abusing her for not doing a porn scene with a gay star, who have high risks of STDs because they don't adhere to the same test regime as the straight male/female stars. RIP in peace, fucking marxists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:53:49 2018 No.10686650 >>10686645 >porn star nah, she deserved it

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:54:32 2018 No.10686653

>>10684407
>Lol, do you understand that all those countries you named have been fucked over by American imperialism?
shouldn't you take into account the actions of your "enemies" when executing your ideas? I wouldn't run a store if I didn't have a security camera, I wouldn't be the mayor of a town if I didn't have a police force, I wouldn't run a nation without negotiating trade deals beforehand so I'm not fucked by sanctions or whatever

it's like you think people can do whatever they want and everyone has to stand back, even if it will hurt them in the long run

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:56:18 2018 No.10686664 >>10686599 No, if your idea of "the anticapitalist right" is a socially conservative, economically leftist regime, then, no, that doesn't make it right-wing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:56:25 2018 No.10686666 >>10686653 >I wouldn't run a nation without negotiating trade deals beforehand so I'm not fucked by sanctions or whatever oh my god

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:57:13 2018 No.10686671 >>10686616 Fascism is not capitalism, it is anticapitalist. And on top of fascism, there are many on the right who yearn for a return to feudalism and even primitivism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:58:11 2018 No.10686675 >>10684545 But anon, Stalin killed 50 million Russians, not 10, and I'm sure a good portion (maybe a majority) died in gulags. Of course, I could be wrong because I'm not exactly knowledgeable on the subject, but that would be my guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:59:29 2018 No.10686682 >>10686666 no you're right, I'd just jump straight into upsetting the current world order of capitalist hegemony and no one will stop me. that's how this works right

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:00:53 2018 No.10686690

>>10686671
>Fascism is not capitalism, it is anticapitalist
Wrong.
Fascists opposed international free market capitalism, but supported a type of productive capitalism.[193][110]
Fascism is what happens when nationalist reactionaries recoil at having "muh culture" diluted by globalist free trade.
>there are many on the right who yearn for a return to feudalism and even primitivism.
Absolute retardation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:02:16 2018 No.10686700 >>10686671 Fascism isn't anti-capitalist. It wants to make capital and state intrinsically tied together, supporting each other, while the capital remains in private hands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:02:41 2018 No.10686701 would it be fair to say anti-communist discourse is dominant on /lit/?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:09:13 2018 No.10686728

>>10686690
DIckhead, you're both right. Facism as we saw in many European countries in practice, was a controlled corporatist system where the state kept private ownership but tried to use and mould the economy, ie protectionism, picking/choosing less degenerate businesses etc. But the underlying ideology, end goes, the intellectuals that influenced them had a trend of wanting to return to the aristocracy, monarchism, feudalism, primitivism, they were anti-modernists, anti-liberal in the classical sense. Does that make sense?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:09:24 2018 No.10686730

>>10686690
>wikipedia
opinion discarded

>>10686700
But capital is no longer in the hands of the capitalist within a fascist system. Capitalism is dependent on the liberal state to guarantee the existence of private property, but no such thing exists within a fascist system. There is no legal framework that gives the capitalist his ownership of capital because everything is subordinate to the state, the party, and the leader. The capitalist is entirely at the will of the party, and should he diverge from the party's interests he can at best have his capital seized, or at worse end up in a ditch. A capitalist within a fascist system is no more the owner of the means of production than a medieval burgher or a Roman merchant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:09:48 2018 No.10686733 >>10686701 No, /lit/ is majority anti-capitalist. As is to be expected of any (slow) arts board

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:10:13 2018 No.10686737 >>10686701 Hell no. This board is filled with capitalist hating millennials. Gas them all I say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:10:27 2018 No.10686738 >>10686701 >>10686733 /lit/ was, is, and will continue to be a traditionalist board. So in a way, you're both right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:10:33 2018 No.10686740 >>10686728 end goals*

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:10:50 2018 No.10686744 >>10686728 >aristocracy, monarchism, feudalism, primitivism Are not the means of production still held privately under such systems?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:11:40 2018 No.10686746 >>10686738 > /lit/ is full of traditionalists > /his/ is full of marxists > /pol/ is full of Nazi's and Libertarians Hmmm?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:13:55 2018 No.10686758 >>10686746 >/his/ is full of marxists Since when? Seems to be mostly nominally libertarian high school kids whenever I go there.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:13:58 2018 No.10686759

>>10686277
>The fact that they have multi-party elections in the first place invalidates your point
As I said, it's a farce. Putin may claim that the CIA is murdering his critics and opponents to diescredit him (as if killing his opposition would weaken him), but he's quite obviously the one doing it. The "free elections" are nothing but theatre, as he controls what is said in national media, and who among his opponents lives or has a career until the next election. Stop looking at what they call the system, and start looking at how the system functions in practice. And I also said United Russia is no longer necessary for Putin personally, as he's bigger than it, so he leaves it to his known lapdogs like Medvedev to run it separate to him, to keep the party politics under control while remaining separate from it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:14:53 2018 No.10686765 >>10686746 /his/ is a whig board, Marxists shill everywhere but you could consider /leftypol/ on cripplechan their homeboard.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:18:00 2018 No.10686779

>>10686744
Of course but the advent of capitalism was a little bit different. If the monarch is above you and your property, it's like the marxists regulating business through democracy today. The birth of Capitalism came through and after these others, like medieval Italy isn't considered capitalist. But you're right you can have private ownership to a majority degree under these but having an ultimate control under a higher group/person makes it more into that facist/corporatist direction as opposed to ya know a more free market or pure capitalism direction. nuance

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:19:21 2018 No.10686783

>>10686759
It doesn't matter whether it's a farce or not, neither of those things are indicative of fascism. Fascism did not coexist with democracy, farcical or not; fascism was entirely anti-democratic to the point that it did not even pretend to support it. No historical fascist state did the things you're accusing Russia of and neither did any major fascist movement want to. You're conflating authoritarianism with fascism because "everything I don't like is fascism".

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:19:23 2018 No.10686784 File: 62 KB, 640x360, starship-troopers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10686765 >>10686758 > desire to know more intesnifies

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:19:24 2018 No.10686786 >>10686495 Why?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:20:25 2018 No.10686792

>>10686730
>Capitalism is dependent on the liberal state to guarantee the existence of private property
Not in a global market.
>but no such thing exists within a fascist system
That's actually exactly how it works within a fascist system, since the capital and free market have been regulated to remain within the boundaries of the nation. There is nothing stopping the capitalist from exerting influence within a fascist government, since a fascist government, like any other, will have its internal disputes, which can still be influenced by the kind of support that capital also provides in a liberal democracy. So it may not end up fighting against the state (unless it decides it wants to try to break out from the state's control to reach a larger international market, probably with the help of the international market), it can still exert power within the state, even if its more limited influence, within the nation's borders, leaves it more at the mercy of the state than in a global economy.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:21:14 2018 No.10686796

>>10686759
You are right to a certain extent.
However, unlike, say, North Korea or Cuba or PRC, the other parties besides the ruling party (well, some of them at least) are fully separate entities that are not controlled by Putin.

Now, if they were ever at a point where they were a serious threat to United Russia's hegemony, they very well might be cracked down upon or worse. Then again, such is the case in liberal democracies of the West as well.

How do you think the US government would react if the PSL suddenly became a major player in elections? How do you think the German government reacted to AfD gaining 90 seats in the 2017 election? What would happen if they do even better next election?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:24:09 2018 No.10686814 >>10686341 /Lit/ used to have civil Marx threads

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:25:00 2018 No.10686819

>>10686783
Putin does not co-exist with democracy either, he pretends to out of necessity, because he knows that if he openly declared fascism the people wouldn't have it or him. The theatre of democracy in Russia does not in any practical way make the actual workings of its corrupt state any more democratic. It becomes, through its functions, a fascist state. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:26:37 2018 No.10686826 >>10686819 Do you believe western democracies that ban or refuse to cooperate with certain political parties that threaten the liberal consensus are fascist?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:33:39 2018 No.10686850

>>10686796
Well, I'm certainly not entirely opposed to calling American democracy a farce in many ways (to say nothing of its often anti-democratic foreign policies), but it lacks a lot of the usual fascist values, and even if nobody seriously challenges the status quo, there are at least two parties in the running, similar as they are in most ways.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:39:26 2018 No.10686876

>>10686850
Just because a state has only one major party doesn't mean that it's "fascist."
Untied Russia does not have *complete* control over every aspect of governance in Russia. Eight Russian federal subjects are controlled by non-UR governors and governments.

I'm not holding up Russia as a paragon of liberal democracy, far from it; but they're not a fascist, one-party state.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:39:45 2018 No.10686880

>>10686792
>Not in a global market.
We've been living in a global market for at least as long as industrial capitalism has existed, so I don't know what you're on about. I don't even know what point of view you're coming from because a Marxist analysis of capitalism posits capitalism as existing only under the protection of the state. I'm not a Marxist, but that's one of the conclusions I tend to agree with. Our system exists the way it does because the state enforced the rules it exists within. When the state is enforcing different rules, the system changes. A feudal monarchy did not allow for capitalists to accumulate the power they otherwise do under liberal democracy.

Burghers could influence feudal lords but that hardly makes feudalism equivalent to capitalism. A fascist system has no guarantee of a liberal "rule of law", so to speak. The rule of law is entirely what gives capital its power. It's only through a dissolution of the liberal rule of law that capital loses its power. Marxists want to do this via their own workers' revolution, although obviously it has rarely worked out how they wanted it to. Likewise, fascists had no problem overturning the liberal rule of law. They had no problem butchering anyone who got in their way and redistributing things how they see fit. Capitalist no longer controlled the means of production within a fascist state, the state/party/leader did.

>>10686819
He does co-exist with democracy. He bows before democracy has superior by the mere virtue that he has supposedly rigged elections. Fascist movements had no guise of democracy, in fact they openly derided it. You don't know what fascism is, you're one of those idiots who thinks fascism=authoritarianism. Fascism is authoritarian but authoritarianism is not necessarily fascist, in fact it rarely is. Fascism is a particular worldview and historical fascist states are isolated to mid-century central and southern Europe. There are hardly any legitimately fascist movements out there that could be considered anywhere close to power. Golden Dawn in Greece and perhaps those Nazi guys in Ukraine are really the only big contemporary ones I can think of off the top of my head.

>It becomes, through its functions, a fascist state
It is functionally anything but.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:41:48 2018 No.10686889 >>10686431 >not going into business with someone you trust What's the problem?

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:47:53 2018 No.10686919

>>10686826
No, not as such. It's a bit more nuanced. The values espoused aren't as often traditionalist, the capital isn't as nationalized, lots of things like that. I do however believe that for example the EU is an undemocratic oligarchy, and that a lot of the Russian scare is the kind of fear mongering you'd also see in a fascist system, for the same purpose of strengthening political unity by making people give up ideological standpoints to centralize and unify political and military power in the hands of a smaller, unelected elite, or at least in a way that benefits them. Putin on the other hand makes use of that same overblown rhethoric against Russia to strengthen his own hold over it. So no, not quite fascism under the guise of democracy, more like oligarchy under the guise of democracy, with freer reins because it's so much stronger and stable than Russia that it doesn't need to control everything so tightly, and also because the larger cultural variation within the involved nations makes it harder to create the same kind of cultural unity.
Something like that, I've sort of lost the trail, maybe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 19:53:17 2018 No.10686937 >>10686880 >The rule of law is entirely what gives capital its power. Ancaps disagree.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 20:00:05 2018 No.10686976

>>10686792
>We've been living in a global market for at least as long as industrial capitalism has existed, so I don't know what you're on about
This time I meant more that as long as the capital is international, it isn't dependent on any particular state, since it can still exist in other states and exert manipulations from there, whereas fascism doesn't work that way due to the capital being more nationalized.
>>10686880
>He bows before democracy as superior by the mere virtue that he has supposedly rigged elections
Even Tsarist Russia was at the mercy of its people when enough of it rose up against it. That the oppressor takes care not to push his abuses to the point of making the masses rise up against him, does not mean he bows before democracy, only that he's aware of the people's power and that there is a limit to how much open abuse of power they would tolerate. And that the failed fascists movements didn't play pretend means nothing more than that you can't openly be fascist anymore, without that fact stopping you from being fascist in practice. I'm not one of those who say the traditionalism and nationalism and such don't matter and call any capitalist corruption "fascism," but Putin's cultural values and morals are entirely in line with original fascism.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 20:07:13 2018 No.10687003

>>10686880
>Burghers could influence feudal lords but that hardly makes feudalism equivalent to capitalism
Burghers were early, primitive capitalism, but you're absolutely right that feudalism wasn't capitalism. But they co-existed in various degrees throughout history, it wasn't necessarily one or the other. I don't dispute that a nationalized capital is much more vulnerable to coercion at the hands of a state, but I still don't think it necessarily lacks the power to exert political influence for its own benefit within the state, even if it has to watch out so that it doesn't go over the line and gets, as you say, butchered and handed over to someone else.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 20:16:15 2018 No.10687058

>>10686937
Of course they do, but they're really just the opposite side of the same coin that Marxism lies on. The problem with them though is that they haven't had a chance to test out their theory and see it fail like Marxists have, so until then it might as well just be that: a theory.

>>10686976
Tsarist Russia was hardly fascist either so I don't see your point. Fascist states didn't care about "taking care not to push abuses", they wanted the masses to rise up so they could purge who they needed to purge. They wanted war for the sake of war, because "war is to man what motherhood is to woman". The bump-limit is reached so I'll say one last time, you're conflating authoritarianism with fascism.

>>10687003
My point in bringing up burghers was that capital will always have some influence. The fact that it has some influence in a fascist state does not make fascism equivalent to capitalism just like the fact that it had some influence in feudal states does not make feudalism equivalent to capitalism.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 20:29:46 2018 No.10687168

>>10687058
>Tsarist Russia was hardly fascist either so I don't see your point
My point was just that an undemocratic state, be it fascist or Tsarist, can be overthrown by the people, and that Putin's awareness of this, and subsequent farce of holding democratic electons is no more than his way of keeping people too placated to recognize his abuse of power and rise up against it. He doesn't bow before democracy, or even before the power of the people, he just recognizes that he can't openly oppress his subjects, so he instead pretends to be something he's not in order to fool them and keep them in line. You're right in that some fascist attempts didn't do it that way: that doesn't mean it's an integral part of fascist ideology or a fascist state, only that it can't openly proclaim fascism. Fascism is in the state, not the people, and can exist in a state whether the people agrees with fascist ideology or methods or not, as long as it doesn't rise up against it.
>The fact that it has some influence in a fascist state does not make fascism equivalent to capitalism
That is true, but nationalized fascist capital remains capital, without being liberal capitalism.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 20:42:17 2018 No.10687268

>>10687168
You're bending over backwards to make a justification that isn't there. "well he does all of these non-fascist things because he really is a fascist I swear!" No fascist state ever did things the way he does them, you could only consider contemporary Russia fascist if you didn't know what fascism was.

>That is true, but nationalized fascist capital remains capital, without being liberal capitalism.
Capital has existed as long as civilization has existed. The existence of capital within a fascist system does not make it capitalist.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 21:02:32 2018 No.10687373

>>10687268
He does no non-fascist things at all, that's the point. He doesn't allow free elections: he assassinates, arrests, smears, and otherwise threatens his opponents, then he pretends he doesn't. Even under the name of democracy, Russia remains undemocratic. That alone does not a fascist state make, but that together with the oligarchs and the reactionary nationalism does a fascist state make. It is fascist in everything but name only, and it's not fascist in name simply because the Russian people doesn't want to be governed by fascists but doesn't realize its situation as such well enough to do something about it, again due to Putin's propaganda and control over media.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 21:08:22 2018 No.10687408

>>10687373
Dugin is a quasi-fascist and Putin is not a Duginist. Federalism is inherently anti-fascist. Operating under the guise of democracy is inherently anti-fascist. The lack of a revolutionary paramilitary party is inherently anti-fascist. The lack of a cult of action is inherently anti-fascist. The lack of totalitarianism is inherently anti-fascist. I could go on, but these are all big things that Germany, Italy, Hungary, Croatia, and Romania all had that Russia does not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 21:28:37 2018 No.10687518 >>10683397 Logical consistency is not the same thing as predictive power

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 21:49:02 2018 No.10687600 >>10687408 Non-vital organizational aids that don't re-define economical or political power structures, nor cultural values. Window dressing. I'm fucking tired, going to sleep now.

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 21:55:21 2018 No.10687618

>>10687600
>it doesn't matter that it fits nearly none of the unique prerequisites for being a fascist regime because it's all just window-dressing!
You're a sophist who got caught saying something stupid and you just keep digging yourself deeper. I'm glad you're not posting anymore because this has been a total waste of time. If you'd rather win an argument than be right, you don't belong here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 21:58:35 2018 No.10687625 >>10687618 fuck off, you're wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 22:05:33 2018 No.10687646 >>10687625 No anon, we both know you are. "BU BU PUTIN IS FASHIST YOU CANT SEE IT CUZ WINDOW DRESSINS!" Yeah okay, run along now tiger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 22:08:48 2018 No.10687657 >>10687646 Buh buh muh Marxist economic caricature of fascism is the real accurate definition

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 22:17:34 2018 No.10687691 >>10687657 I spent half of the thread arguing against the Marxist caricature of fascism as "capitalism in decline", nice try though. See- >>10686671 >>10686730 >>10686880 >>10687058

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 22:37:49 2018 No.10687769

>>10683348
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