/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10675272]

>Communism is inherently flawed, these examples where capitalist countries interfered prove it!

[Anonymous No.10675288]

>>10675272
>capitalism is bad!

[Anonymous No.10675289]

>>10675272
Can you fuck off back to /pol/, you faggot

[Anonymous No.10675299]

>>10675272
>communism failed to spread otherwise as predicted by Marx
I-I-It doesn't count, the theory was still right!
Grow up, this is Utopian Socialism at this point. Marx wouldn't have wanted this.

[Anonymous No.10675303]

>>10675272
tankies, communists and pseudo-marxists gtfo of my /lit/ please

[Anonymous No.10675310]

>>10675303
This. This is a neo-Nazi board

[Anonymous No.10675312]

>>10675288
I don't understand logic behind posts like these: are you implying that people shouldn't have laptops or be communicating online - what is the single greatest global communication platform in the world - if they dislike the current iteration of economics? This is something that a baby boomer would say.

I'm not even a leftist or a mac owner before you spaz out and meme at me.

[Anonymous No.10675315]

>>10675272
You have to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.10675316]

>>10675310
I know you're kidding but since most of you faggots can't handle theory /lit/ should be as apolitical as possible

[Anonymous No.10675323]

>>10675316
Yeah, so please report these threads, faggot

[Anonymous No.10675329]

Don't know what this has to do with /lit/, but here you go.

>Allegedly amazing system of governing and social structuring.
>Can't withstand outside "interference" without becoming horrifically corrupted or collapsing entirely.

[Anonymous No.10675333]

Should a political theory only be considered in it's domestic implementation? or should it also account for it's ability to compete in international relations?

[Anonymous No.10675335]

>Communism only works in a vacuum and only under these assumptions A, B, and C.

[Anonymous No.10675337]

>>10675310
This is a pessimistic reactionary board that hopes for nothing and kinda thinks the past was better because cultural production was better and shit was less convoluted.
That's it.

[Anonymous No.10675341]

>>10675272
>Capitalism interfered
>"How"
>By existing anywhere
And here I was thinking that true communism was never tried because Marxist Leninist doctrine needs a state capitalist stage before it enters into communism.

Oh but that's "red fascism" that's right.

[Anonymous No.10675346]

>>10675337
A lot of us has a hope after electing Trump and seeing how we forced Brexit and almost got Le Pen elected. We can still achieve a white future with traditional gender roles and no race mixing if we come together, redpilled and kekistanis alike. Don't lose hope

[Anonymous No.10675351]

>>10675337
This desu.

[Anonymous No.10675359]

>>10675272
If Communism can't survive something inevitable like other countries interfering maybe it's not a great system.

[Anonymous No.10675362]

>>10675346
fuck off /leftypol/
>see I can play the boogeyman game too

[Anonymous No.10675363]

>if only evil capitalists didn't interfere we would achieve our utopia

Git gud, faggot.

[Anonymous No.10675393]

>>10675288
im saying that computers and the internet are products of capitalism ya twat especially overpriced ones

[Anonymous No.10675443]

>>10675272
Communist countries don't work properly outside of a frictionless vacuum, right?

[Anonymous No.10675510]

>kill all the capitalists in your country
>waah evil dictatorship worse than hitler
>be ruined by capitalists instead
>lol umadbro if you can't defend yourself it's not a good system

The USSR didn't "fall apart", the socialist system was steadily replaced by Kruschevite revisionists over two decades, and capitalism was introduced in the worst possible way.
Other countries were directly subverted from the west because they didn't have a Stalin to sort shit out. Yugoslavia was a nice dream but worker participation was minimal and it wasn't socialist by the 80s, and had huge unemployment and debts, only kept afloat because the West needed a buffer between the proper communists.

[Anonymous No.10675516]

>>10675312
No because obviously we would never develop advanced technology without capitalism /s

[Anonymous No.10675519]

>>10675362
Schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.10675520]

>>10675516
>/s
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

[Anonymous No.10675526]

Why is it that communism can be ruined by minimal capitalist interference and not the other way around? Gee I wonder which is a stronger system

[Anonymous No.10675535]

I’d just like to point out that no one has tried an anachronistic society yet

[Sage No.10675543]

>>10675272
m8, you're not even wrong, but this is the book board.

[Anonymous No.10675552]

>system so fragile it falls apart from interference by supposedly inferior systems

[Anonymous No.10675555]

Communism can work, but you need a slave class. Like the Spartans with their helots

[Anonymous No.10675567]

>>10675526
The only socialism that got started in the 20th century was underdeveloped socialism, due to the way imperialism works. It was never going to rival the major western capitalist states, which had a strong industrial base and a functional society.
If you compare countries with a similar level of development, socialist countries did incredibly well. To deny this is pure propaganda, not even liberal historians believe most of the usual memes.
The main burgeois fallacy is to expect that every country should follow libertarian economics and go through the same stages of progress as England and America. This is clearly not how history works, and underdeveloped states are structurally disadvantaged in the global market.

[Anonymous No.10675576]

>>10675272
>a communist
>relying the chances of communism on some absurd idea of a platonic form of communism untouched by the practical world
Wew lad

[Anonymous No.10675580]

>>10675312
There are no communist-friendly laptop manufacturers, but I'm pretty fucking sure that there are better alternatives to Apple. And not only nu-leftists support a very shitty company, they need to show it to everyone, like it is an honor to own an overpriced Macbook.
I have never seen anyone getting bothered by a commie running GNU/Linux.

[Anonymous No.10675594]

>Capitalism is inherently flawed, these examples where government interfered prove it!

[Anonymous No.10675598]

>>10675272
>MUH INFINITE GROWTH MYTH OF PROGRESS

[Anonymous No.10675604]

>>10675312
Did your mom smash the soft spot on top of your head when you were a child? or are you jest stupid? The joke is, is that they want communist, but they ways they advocate it "apple laptop for twitter, apple anything. North face jacket. Buying communist shit off amazon with money"
Is hypocritical of them since the core idea of communism is everything is for the public. So for them to have expensive shit and not give it away, and instead they vouch for the thing they are not doing, is a joke

[Anonymous No.10675612]

>>10675272
Communism is inherently flawed because all modern communists are neurotic they/them furfags who talk about punching nazis but are too mentally ill to even go out of their rooms. have I mentioned i PUNCH NAZIS XDD! DM me if I say something problematic

[Anonymous No.10675638]

>>10675288

[Anonymous No.10675639]

>>10675612
if your only exposure to the modern left is Occupy Democrat's Logic screencaps from tumblr i can see why you'd think that

[Anonymous No.10675652]

>>10675580
>le epin strawman
Those aren't leftists, they're just misguided children putting on a pseudo-leftist costume. They think they can have their cake and eat it too.

[Anonymous No.10675653]

>>10675638
we were not talking about corporate greed, you retard. Kinda ironic on how were on lit, yet you cannot understand a sentence. The post your replaying to, were talking about communism, not corporate greed

[Anonymous No.10675656]

>>10675612
>too mentally ill to even go out of their rooms
They aren't too mentally ill. If you go outside, you'll need a car to go anywhere. To have a car, you'll need money. To get money, you'll need a job. But they wouldn't want to lower themselves into become a wage slave, so they're stuck.

[Anonymous No.10675667]

>>10675652
>claim you don't understand the logic behind posts like that
>I try to explain what is the logic behind it
>"Hah, he used o logical fallacy!"
I even pointed out that those images are really against "nu-leftists", is you have put it yourself. What the fuck man? How dumb are you?

[Anonymous No.10675676]

>>10675639
LITERALLY all far-leftists I've seen, Internet or IRL, have been total freaks.
There are a ton of fat/autistic right-wingers but also plenty that can function in normal society. All "communists", on the other hand, are amalgamations of tumblr/edgy/tranny/fetish cults who care about nothing more than fulfilling a shicking aesthetic and rarely know anything about actual Marxism past SEIZE LE MEANS OF PRODUCTION XDDDD catchphrases

[Anonymous No.10675682]

>>10675639
The "real" left is either idpol cultists or irony-poisoned ChapoTrapHouse fans

[Anonymous No.10675689]

>>10675639
the modern left is entirely composed of self hating neurotics stalin LARPers and degenerates. Thanks, but I'd rather stay a fascist ubermensch. I harbor such a seething contempt for 'trans people' and numale beardos I find myself inexorably driven towards fascism. Sorry to hurt your precious feelings, snowflake, but Fascism is the only way to pursue my rational self interest as an heterosexual white man. Guess I'm just too cool, hip and down with it to be anything other than a literal nazi

[Anonymous No.10675691]

>>10675676
>LITERALLY all
This is trivially easy to disprove, you know.

[Anonymous No.10675703]

>>10675510
These are dangerous lies you're spreading. Why do you feel the need to do so?

[Anonymous No.10675748]

>>10675691
>posts Trotskyite rape cult acolyte

[Anonymous No.10675756]

>>10675272
>these examples where capitalist countries interfered prove it!
That's called the world. Interference is the base case, this shit is like saying it'd work except in reality. Lmao, it's a tacit AND overt admission of how fucking stupid commies really are.

[Anonymous No.10675761]

>>10675272
If communism can't overcome capitalism by power (like Marx predicted), than it is flawed and doomed to fail.

[Anonymous No.10675763]

>>10675510
Exactally: communism is flawed and is doomed to fail.

[Anonymous No.10675766]

>>10675289
we don't want him.

[Anonymous No.10675769]

No system can prevail without overcoming the existent ones. Communism proved it is weaker than capitalism.

[Anonymous No.10675771]

>>10675689
9/10, impeccable form

[Anonymous No.10675818]

>hurr durr capitalism is superior
>lets just ignore how it needs to be regulated by the state
>lets ignore how many times the state saved it from complete collapse

[Anonymous No.10675824]

>>10675676
>getting this involved in pop-politics
Scary.

[Anonymous No.10675826]

>>10675818
You expect the state to let it collapse for no reason?

[Anonymous No.10675831]

>>10675818
>he thinks the state is some distinct and external entity in a capitalist system
get a load of this guy

[Anonymous No.10675833]

>>10675826
idiot

[Anonymous No.10675837]

>>10675826
market forces would decide what the state would do, and surprise surprise, it's in the state's interest to help the market when required

[Anonymous No.10675873]

Marxism doesn't work. Socialism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work.

Capitalism works.

[Anonymous No.10675878]

>>10675873
Cool this guy underst--

>Quotes Mises

Nevermind, get in your containment board

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.10675887]

>>10675878
Aint nothing wrong with Mises nigga

[Anonymous No.10675893]

>>10675346
>we forced Brexit
No you didn't.

[Anonymous No.10675897]

>>10675873
>Capitalism works.

[Anonymous No.10675902]

>>10675897
Welp, he doesn't live like royalty that's it capitalism doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.10675906]

>>10675897
>federal regulations on rent control, minimum wage, housing projects etc. positively fucking a community sideways
>the operations of capitalism

[Anonymous No.10675911]

Capitalism make the most powerful nations and the most powerful individuals when compared to other regimes.
the most powerful nations, specially when they have the most powerful individuals, necessarily prevail

[Anonymous No.10675916]

>>10675887
There is plenty wrong with Mises. There are better economists who don't simply use empirical pricing to derive the value of a monetary unit. His philosophy is foolishly, absurdly simplistic. A two-year old could understand his positions. In my mind, Keynes critiqued both Hayek and Mises very well in The General Theory when he said that the Austrian school doesn't even define their terms properly.

[Anonymous No.10675924]

>>10675911
>the most powerful individuals who are corporate wage slaves
I think you need to drink a little more Kool-aid. Individuals will only be powerful when they aren't forced to work to survive.

[Anonymous No.10675925]

>>10675916
Now I do agree that critique can be applied to Mises, but I wouldn't say you should go so far as to ignore him. Simplicity isn't something negative per se.

[Anonymous No.10675932]

>>10675653
Are you...are you..are you the Guy that Nothing Gets Past?

[Anonymous No.10675945]

>>10675925
Yeah, lots of free market states have done well for themselves. But do you know who else has done well under the rather narrow terms we are discussing? China and the USSR. These 2 are the most impressive examples of social engineering and command-growth, ever, as well as good examples of a common misperception- that it’s individual economic choices (capitalist, socialist, etc.) which are primarily responsible for a nation’s most dramatic growth as opposed to the simple shift from feudalism to industrialism. Russia literally went from a potential vassal state with a near-feudal economy in 1900 to a superpower in 1945, to a somewhat cosmopolitan, decaying welfare state by the 1970s/80s. China was almost prehistoric in 1949. Today it is the world’s largest economy and has managed double-digit growth for years. Much of this is obviously the result of ‘opening up.’ Yet it is not an ‘opening up’ done in a way that Mises would approve of.

[Anonymous No.10675949]

>>10675924
So there aren't wage slaves in socialism and fascism? There are. But capitalist slaves are more powerful over themselves, against their masters and over nature than they are in fascism and socialism.
Not to mention a great deal of people don't need to work to survive using assistencialist politics like food stamps.

[Anonymous No.10675958]

>>10675949
I'm not so much arguing for socialism, but some system in which "work" is not a concept that exists. Of course, that is just a crazy ideal I have, that probably won't be possible for many, many years, when most jobs have been automated away.

[Anonymous No.10675960]

>>10675945
Indeed, but one has to remember growth isn't binary. There are many ways economies can grow, they can take the longer natural route like the western worlds dominating today or they can "cheat" if you will, take the faster route. We saw how that ended for the Soviet Union and we will soon see how badly it turned out for China.

Yes China is a large economy, GDP per capita however is incredibly low compared to any western state and that really says it all. It's high on numbers and we know how much Beijing interference there is, it's not healthy, it's not natural and it surely isn't viable.

[Anonymous No.10675972]

>>10675958
I understand. We shouldn't refrain from imagining new possibilities. But I suppose that would still be capitalism if the means of production are in the hands of private agents.

[Anonymous No.10675993]

>>10675925
It is when you're analyzing an economy. Look, I simply plain don't agree with Mises. I think he raises some valid points about Capital injections, and who the fiduciary unit gets distributed to. That's about it. I like his terms of money, as well, and the history he knows is extensive.

His philosophy of how he analyzes the economic system sucks.

[Anonymous No.10675999]

>>10675958
most jobs under our postindustrial hell economy amount to nothing more than pointless busywork. Production has been outsourced away to the periphery. we, the lucky ones, condemned to the endless reproduction of an absurd postfordist social reality.

[Anonymous No.10676040]

>>10675689
>rational
>Uebermensch
Try again, Last Man.
>>10675873
Nope. Try again, Last Man.

[Anonymous No.10676065]

>>10675689
>being rightwing only because the left is degenerate
this is why the right won't win
Evola was right and I was he wasn't
kill me

[Anonymous No.10676088]

>>10675993
>political economy
what are you gonna tell us to read Polanyi and some IPE next?

[Anonymous No.10676111]

>>10676088
John Stuart Mill's book is a good read if you're interested in the history of economic thought. Like I said though, you might not be. If you're into just the basic theory at the very least read Carl Menger and John Maynard Keynes.

[Anonymous No.10676147]

>>10675993
>lol trust me read keynes its the best way to learn economics haha im neutral

[Anonymous No.10676161]

>>10676147
keynes did nothing wrong
his ideas have been misapplied
he understood his shit

[Anonymous No.10676245]

>>10676111
>recommending John Stewart Mill unironically
elemayow

[Anonymous No.10676347]

>>10676245
>doesn't understand Utilitarianism

If you liked that book, you'd find his stance on Economics absolutely fascinating. It is a bit verbose though, so it would be a waste of time unless you were interested in the history a fair deal.

[Anonymous No.10676368]

>>10675272
Here's the difference between a capitalist and a communist. Its fair to say both have caused problems but when you talk to a capitalist, no one ever defends the bad guys. We don't have college kids reading Leopold of Belgium's memoirs on how he fucked up the Congo, a communist however will quickly deny and argue that the mass murderers of Stalin and Mao were okay guys and it was the dirty capitalists who forced them to execute millions of dissenters.

[Anonymous No.10676395]

>>10675535
what the fuck is an anachronistic society?
did you mean anarchist?

[Anonymous No.10676427]

>>10676395
People who are time travelling like assholes.

YOOO DAWG I GOT THIS STATUE FROM 2089

"DAMN IT PHIL NOT AGAIN, YOU AND YOUR ANACHRONISMS, THIS IS SUCH AN ANACHRONISTIC SOCIETY BECAUSE OF YOU"

CAN'T BLAME ME FOR BEIN CREATIVE GUYS, LOOK FRED IS OVER THERE PRETENDING HIS IN THE FUCKIN FLINTSTONES

[Anonymous No.10676670]

>>10675272
>implying communism is even a worthwhile cause to pursue
Okay congrats, you seized the means of production. Now what?

Oh right, you still show up at work on Monday, except for it’s comrade political leader Stephan from the local cooperative in charge of you instead of Ted your old shift manager.

It has literally no impact on anything in anyone’s life except now resources are now allocated in a much shittier manner.