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>Philosopher X says other famous philosopher is full of shit and doesn't understand anything
>Philosopher Y says other famous philosopher is just using fancy language to masque that he's basically not talking about anything
>Yet all these philosophers are famous and highly influential

A genuine question: How can people claim there are objectively bad philosophers or bad philosophical ideas when even the most horrible and ridiculous ideas have been expressed by highly influential and erudite philosophers?

>> No.10668279

>>10668271
They usually actually are expressing something real, it's just that their philosophy as a whole in incredibly retarded, so it has to be translated into a more sensible philosophy to be made sense of.

There are exceptions- I am convinced that certain portions of Hegel are literally gibberish

>> No.10668331

>>10668279
Hegel might be notorious for it, but he's certainly not the only one. Heidegger was probably even worse in his abuse of language.

But even in less obscurantist thinkers you'll find issues where one will completely dispute everything the other has done, beyond whether their ideas are intelligible or not.

>> No.10668337

>>10668279

Perhaps you think too highly of yourself, and you just don't understand Hegel.

>> No.10668342

>>10668337
t. Hegel

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10668442

Analytics are stupid
Continentals are stupid but invent new words to hide the fact that they are stupid

>> No.10668451

>>10668337
t. communist law student

>> No.10668455

protip anon, philosophers as a demo is made almost entirely of the kind of people who want to be philosophers
keep this in mind the next time you read Hegel or Kant

>> No.10668460

>>10668455
So Germans?

>> No.10668482

It's pretty fun. I loved the Chomsky Zizek shit throwing.

>So what if—just another fancy idea of mine—what if Chomsky cannot find anything in my work that goes "beyond the level of something you can explain in five minutes to a twelve-year-old because" because, when he deals with continental thought, it is his mind which functions as the mind of a twelve-year-old, the mind which is unable to distinguish serious philosophical reflection from empty posturing and playing with empty words?

Lovely

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10668545

>>10668482
>these are two of the most prominent philosophical scholars alive today
>calling each other toddlers

>> No.10668569

>>10668455
>as a demo
? EFL here

>> No.10668579

>>10668545
They are toddlers and Peterson is the good daddy that watches over them

>> No.10668656

The more I read Hegel or Fitche the more I agree with Schopenhauer that they were just spouting nonsensical garbage hidden behind complex word games

>> No.10670516

>>10668656
this is true but schopenhauer also is nonsensical trash man garbage man