/sFFg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.10667398]

Why Even make An Edition?
You don't even read it.
Military Sci-fi Edition
What was the most Futuristic sff book you read
Which sff book had the most out there concepts of weapons
Which sff book had the most out there concept of vehicles


FANTASY
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General:
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Flowchart:
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SCIENCE FICTION
Selected:
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General:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Previous Threads:
>>10651204
>>10635230
>>10623629
>>10611462

[Anonymous No.10667416]

why haven't you read this masterpiece yet?

[Anonymous No.10667420]

>>10667416
Because I don't read fantashit.

[Anonymous No.10667431]

Third for firsts

[Anonymous No.10667432]

>reading Rothfuss when you can read Lovecraft
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

Read online: www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/soi.aspx
E-book: https://archive.org/details/TheCompleteWorksOfHPLovecraft_201412 (including like 30 additional stories)
Audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZrqYn5f_0

[Anonymous No.10667435]

>>10665258
>text
I've caught most of that. Latro writing on the falcon headed statue makes sense as it's probably Montu or Horus, both gods of war and being a swell dude in general. Not sure about the gospel writers tho, I assumed the winged bull/lion were image related (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamassu)). The Sphinx made me confused because it's in no way an aspect of or related to the Godess it claim to be.

I also finished the book today. Amazing read, but I feel like I did not catch it all. I'm planning to start with the Greeks this year so I will probably revisit the book next year and hopefully understand more. Especially the ending confused me, not so much as what happened as why it happened.
For how long was Latro planning his escape? Of course I noticed when he acquired the weapons for arming the slaves but when did he plan the whole thing with them and why did he not write about it?
The gods were obviously heavily invested, but I'm having a hard time understanding who came out on top. Historically speaking the whole thing seems to have favored Sparta, the city becoming the main power in the area and even defeating Athens before the rise of the Romans.
I'm toying with the idea that that the crime Latro committed to lose his memory was raping (possibly in the historical meaning, ie sleeping with someone against their owners will) a priestess of the Great Mother. It would mirror how Persephone, Demeters daughter, was raped by Hades and Latro does become somewhat rapey when drunk.

[Anonymous No.10667487]

Wow
Much dinos Very reading
Such recommending

[Anonymous No.10667508]

>>10667416
Because it's unreadable young adult trash.

[Anonymous No.10667538]

Any books about Tidally locked planets?

[Anonymous No.10667597]

>>10667538
The Night Land

[Anonymous No.10667760]

>>10667398
>Which sff book had the most out there concepts of weapons
Lazy Guns maybe?

[Anonymous No.10667767]

>>10662866
I dont have a backlog, I struggle enough just finding books that sound appealing and are worth finishing.

[Anonymous No.10667789]

>>10667398
>What was the most Futuristic sff book you read

I watched an episode of Altered Carbon on Netflix and it was futuristic af. Does that count? Based on a book dontchyaknow.

[Anonymous No.10668131]

webnovels are novels too

[Anonymous No.10668152]

>>10668131
let's plays are movies too

[Anonymous No.10668178]

>>10668152
some are, some aren't
and they'd better fit into the category of tv show than movie, since they are usually serial.

[Anonymous No.10668206]

>>10667398
I want to write my novel as an epistolary of corresponding interviews between several different people of an incident that happened recently as they are being reviewed by other people who don't give two shits about it.

[Anonymous No.10668235]

>>10668206
>by other people who don't give two shits about it
nice idea up until this point
why would we want to read the reviews of something when the people reviewing it don't give a shit about it? they'll just be detached and boring

a good novel to read to learn how to do an epistolary well is Augustus by John Williams, also my personal all time favourite book

[Anonymous No.10669203]

Why haven't you read Daniel Black as yet?
https://williamscorner.blog/

[Anonymous No.10669558]

>>10667487
I can smell the the dusty, mustard yellow pages from here

[Anonymous No.10669709]

I read the red, it had mech suits I think, and an ai who talked to a guy; rather gave him premonitions
I wanted to finish the trilogy but I presume I read something else

[Anonymous No.10670069]

Why is the general so dead?
Are people getting cunnys?

[Anonymous No.10670097]

Hey, I'm trying to write a science fiction novel that involves adventure, a post apocalyptic future, a SHIELD-esque military system, and children with superpowers. What are some good novels I could read to get inspiration from/understand these topics better?

[Anonymous No.10670107]

>>10670097

[Anonymous No.10670123]

>>10669203
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.10670138]

>>10670097
Sounds like Akira, but that's not a novel.

[Anonymous No.10670255]

Just finished Count Zero, and have Broken Angels/Woken Furies in the mail.

Where should I go next down the cyberpunk rabbi whole? Inb4 snowcrash (I want to read more of the genre before digesting the ironic/over the top take)

[Anonymous No.10670438]

>>10670138
I'll look into it, thank you

[Anonymous No.10670458]

Why shouldn't I read Darkover?

[Anonymous No.10670464]

Sci-Fi about space muslims? Hard mode: no Dune.

[Anonymous No.10670540]

>>10670464
It's not ABOUT space muslims, but the Galaxy's Edge series features an alien race that are totally muslim.

Side note though: the writers clearly do not like muslims.

[Anonymous No.10670731]

>>10670255
Synners, Schismatrix, Mirrorshades, Islands in the Net

[Anonymous No.10670794]

Eden, by stanislaw Lem is pretty fucking out there

[Anonymous No.10670832]

>>10667416
I saw a considerable number of posts mentioning this book a while back, so I paid 8 dollars for a paperback. I read most of it, and I felt it was sort of middle of the road, familiar, and unremarkable. I wanted to find out if others felt the same way and if it was worth continuing, so I looked at a few of the top reviews.

One of the top reviewers pointed out that the main character has no real flaws and I found this to be true, and detracts from the development of the character and story. Kvothe is almost always behaving uncommonly talented, wise and kind. He's essentially a superhero and I fucking hate superheroes.

[Anonymous No.10670838]

>>10667597
love that fucking artwork thanks anon. Adding that shit to my reading list as well.

[Anonymous No.10670846]

>>10670097
sorry anon i don't have a book for you, but that reminds me of F.E.A.R.

[Anonymous No.10670860]

>>10670255
You should finish up the Sprawl trilogy with Mona Lisa Overdrive.

[Anonymous No.10670945]

>>10670464
Part of the plot in Poor Man's War by Elliot Kay involves evil space pirates terrorizing a system settled by a Muslim diaspora.

[Anonymous No.10670946]

I'M TOO MUCH OF A FANTSYBRAINLET FOR THIS BOOK AAAAAAAAAH HELP MEEEEE

[Anonymous No.10671025]

>>10670069
erryone neadin mugga

[Anonymous No.10671276]

>>10670946
Neal stephenson is a meme anyways. I read SevenEves by him. Probably one of the most obnoxious scifi books I have read.

[Anonymous No.10671283]

Are Book of the New Sun and Book of the Long Sun related? I've never read either.

[Anonymous No.10671296]

>>10671283
And by that I mean Litany of the Long Sun, of course.

[Anonymous No.10671302]

>>10671276

Yeah, I read Snow Crash and it was really jarring trying to keep track of when he was seemingly parodying the cyberpunk genre (most of the first 1/4 of the book) and when he was taking himself way too seriously (most of the last 3/4 of the book).

I genuinely chuckled when the weeb hero protagonist (literally named Hiro Protagonist) crashes his pizza delivery car while thinking about how badass he is, grabs his katanas he carries in the trunk, and runs off in fear of pizza-mafia retribution. 300 pages of Sumerian historiography, virus theory, and child rape later, I look back on that and wonder if it was even supposed to be funny.

[Anonymous No.10671305]

>>10671283
They are in the same universe but are not directly connected plotwise.

[Anonymous No.10671310]

>>10671302
The best and only worthy part of that book was the 1st chapter with the car chase.

[Anonymous No.10671561]

Thoughts on Faction Paradox?

[Anonymous No.10671698]

sffg with talking animals.
no anthro stuff.
preferably post 2000.

[Anonymous No.10671790]

>>10671698
Duncton Wood
The Animals of Farthing Wood
Watership Down

[Anonymous No.10671805]

>>10671790
thanks

[Anonymous No.10671968]

Has anybody read this? Netflix brought out a TV show based on it but I'm not a fan of TV so I'd rather just read the novel. The central concept of transferring consciousness sounds pretty interesting. Reminds me of Soma (the game). It also won the Phil K. Dick award in 2003 so I assume it's not complete trash.

[Anonymous No.10672009]

>>10671968
It has a cool setting, but the protag is a pervert and there's a few detailed sex scenes.
The adaptation changed a lot of major plot points and added junk, a rather loose adaptation.

[Anonymous No.10672089]

>>10671968
I'd like to hear some thoughts on this as well. The TV show was enjoyable, but not very good. The production values made the show, so I'd be interested to hear how it compares to the book.

On another note, just finished Hobb's Assassins Apprentice. It takes quite a while to get going, and I found the first half to be a bit of a slog, but it really found its course in the second half. The finale was an incredibly tense roller coaster. It's a short read, but I'm now pretty excited for the sequels. While most characters weren't all that interesting, Verity really grew on my when he finally got involved, and he proved himself to be absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.10672326]

>>10670123
Tell that to the blindsight, too much lightning, and three problem shills.
I'm the captain now, it's my turn to shill.

[Anonymous No.10672344]

>>10671283
>>10671296
No. Litany forces the Christianity down your throat, to make sure that you understand that it's Christianity we are talking about.

[Anonymous No.10672367]

>>10671968
>>10672089
I read it a long time ago, and recently re-read it (though coinciding with the show coming out was pure chance). It is a fun romp, fun world building and exposition, has a nice noir pulp atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.10672422]

>>10672009
>but the protag is a pervert and there's a few detailed sex scenes.
>people who have sex are perverts
In this particular thread, sex scenes are generally a plus.

[Anonymous No.10672448]

>>10672326
At least come up with something creative once in a while. Talk about the book or something. Besides, blindsight is a much better book and genuinely good, while memeiel black is just somewhat enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.10672556]

This was a pleasant surprise. Just take a look at this cover. My 10yo nephew could make something better than this, holy shit. Besides that
>sexcraft chronicles
Who the fuck thought this was a good name for the series? It alienates a lot of readers who might have found this book enjoyable. Past all that, if you manage to actually open the book and read it, it is indeed a high quality fantasy.

The plot is good, if somewhat overused in fantasy, but it just sets itself as standard fantasy instead of what the fuck is common place with contemporary fantasy. The characters are all well written, with clear motivations and personalities. The world is simple enough to understand, with no pretentious """worldbuilding""", but still pretty interesting to keep us reading. The magic is simple to understand, without delving too much into it as not to take away the mystery of it, and it's not at all overpowered. The sex is way too tame to warrant the name, making me wonder about the sanity of the person who chose it. Its placement is consistent with the world and doesn't feel like just fanservice. The plot is driven more by opportunity instead of clear preparation, with the characters taking advantage of what is happening at the moment instead of waiting and taking a long time to prepare for battle.

Next book is coming in valentine's day, supposedly. If this wasn't good enough to convince anyone to read it, here comes a briefing of the plot: Dragon attacks village, kills everyone. Non-combatant MC is driven for revenge and sets himself to kill it despite being weak as fuck .

[Anonymous No.10672570]

>>10672448
>is just somewhat enjoyable.
That's all I want. One convert at a time.

[Anonymous No.10672688]

What's the meme trilogy of /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.10672709]

>>10672688
Define 'meme trilogy'.

[Anonymous No.10672732]

>>10672709

[Anonymous No.10673201]

>>10672709
Blindsight, The Thing Itself, Too Like the Lightning

[Anonymous No.10673212]

Does Malazan pick up after Gardens of the Moon? I've heard good things about the series but the first book is feeling a bit overwhelming at the moment.

[Anonymous No.10673267]

>>10672732
To Like the Lightning, BotNS and Malazan in that specific order.

[Anonymous No.10673312]

So i just got these at the store. I hear that I shouldnt go beyond these?

[Anonymous No.10673339]

>>10673312

[Anonymous No.10673350]

>>10672709
>>10672688
book of the new sun
malazan
_______

i have no idea what the third would be.

[Anonymous No.10673416]

>>10673312
>reading anymore dunes after the first book

[Anonymous No.10673434]

>>10673339
Might could use an extra line with Hunters+Sandworms and something like "I want to see the outline Frank Herbert had for tying up the chapterhouse plotline, and this is the next best thing. And I could use some encouragement to never pick up another Kevin J Anderson book again."
Otherwise about perfect, yeah. Why do scifi authors turn into pervy old men so often? Heinlein's late stuff gets that cringy bad porno feel, too.

[Anonymous No.10673475]

>>10672688
/sffg/ meme contenders:

Meme of the New Sun
The Name of the Meme
Too Meme the Lightning
The Meme Itself
Memezan

Any others? Maybe GRRM or Sanderson?

[Anonymous No.10673552]

>>10673475
i think wheel of meme has to be in it.

[Anonymous No.10673561]

come join the litcord https://discord.gg/XZ4wrZR

[Anonymous No.10673636]

>>10672688
Book of the New Sun, Gormenghast and whatever Bakker's most popular book is

[Anonymous No.10673646]

>>10671561
Good stuff, terminally underrated beause it started out as a Doctor Who inspired thing. Warlords of Utopia and Brakespeare Voyage in particular are bettter than 90% of contemporary award-winning SF.

[Anonymous No.10673737]

Has any author ever been BTFO this badly?

[Anonymous No.10673837]

>>10673475
Sheev memes aside, the Matthew Stover episode 3 novel was surprisingly good for a Star Wars book. I'd actually call that one decent scifi.

[Anonymous No.10673877]

>>10673737
>like a hamster considering pellets of its own shit

[Anonymous No.10673880]

>>10673212
At the beginnig it could be confusing 'cause little is explained to you but then things start to be more clear. The second is better and more clear, also GoTM is consideret the weakest

[Anonymous No.10673915]

>>10673212
The next two books are the best in the series IMO.

[Anonymous No.10673926]

>>10672688
Choose three

[Anonymous No.10673981]

>>10673926
Ringworld, Altered Carbon, Lies of Locke Lamora

[Anonymous No.10674012]

>>10672688
Books are not concrete.
But authors are
The three meme authors of sffg are Gene Wolfe, Brandon Sanderson, and R Scott Bakker.

[Anonymous No.10674016]

>>10670097
>children with superpowers

Do they ever grow up?

[Anonymous No.10674249]

>>10673475
litMeme

[Anonymous No.10674296]

>>10672688
That would be Book of the New Sun, I guess. Except those books are not memes but actual masterpieces, unless you dont consider that to be mutually exclusive.

If you like a nice military science fiction trilogy try "Dread Empire's Fall" by Walter Jon Williams. It is really pretty good. Maybe a tier below Armor or Starship Troopers, but well worth a read.

[Anonymous No.10674315]

Any good deep sea or sea opera books?

[Anonymous No.10674323]

>>10670846
can you give me a link? I can't find anything on F.E.A.R.

[Anonymous No.10674339]

>>10674249
t-take that back! some litrpg are fun
Anyone who says so never read any. You shit talk litrpg, then want to talk about webnovels and Japanese cultivation shitfest?

[Anonymous No.10674346]

>>10674323
http://store.steampowered.com/app/21090/FEAR/

[Anonymous No.10674397]

>>10671561
My favourite

[Anonymous No.10674405]

>>10674339
>Japanese

You have hurt the feelings of the Chinese people, apologize now.

[Anonymous No.10674415]

>>10672556
>this book is good because my dick was in my hands: the review

[Anonymous No.10674478]

>>10674249
>Russian names
It's funny because Daniel Black has some Russian mercenaries hiding somewhere in a city.

[Anonymous No.10674491]

>>10674249

[Anonymous No.10674718]

>>10674323
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.E.A.R..

[Anonymous No.10674720]

>>10674415
If that's what you got from it, tell your parents I am sorry for them.

[Anonymous No.10674817]

>>10674720
>to be fair you need to have a VERY high IQ to understand kindle unlimited erotica

[Anonymous No.10674834]

>>10674339
I read both desu

[Anonymous No.10674985]

>check new releases for this month
>so much YA
At this point the market's so stuffed they'd probably stand out more by not tagging their books as YA

[Anonymous No.10675041]

>>10670464
When Gravity Fails is on earth but it's the go to scifi with muslims example, there is other stuff out there by Muslim authors but most of it is also earth set

[Anonymous No.10675069]

>>10674985
unfortunately YA seems to be the main demographic for books nowadays.
i get the feeling its not nearly as saturated as it could be yet.

[Anonymous No.10675229]

Which should I read first:
Mort-Terry Pratchet
The Traitor Baru Cormarant-Seth Dickinson
The Knight-Gene Wolfe
Garden's of the Moon-Stephen Erickson
A Wizard of Earthsea-Ursulla Le Guin

[Anonymous No.10675261]

>>10675229
I'd go something like

Baru>Mort>Gardens>Earthsea>The Knight

That spacing puts the fun easy reads in between the more taxing ones, with Malazan which is pretty horrible to read having nice stuff either side of it.

Baru first because it's pretty unique and interesting so if you're not clicking you can move on to the other stuff

[Anonymous No.10675266]

>>10675229
Baru

[Anonymous No.10675285]

>>10675261
>>10675266
Thanks guys. Have a wallpaper

[Anonymous No.10675297]

>>10667398
>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

how could they give /ourguy/ gene 4 stars? disgraceful.

[Anonymous No.10675321]

>>10675297
Outside of his best work he's kinda not good

[Anonymous No.10675328]

>>10675297
Le Guin only gets 3 lol

[Anonymous No.10675358]

>>10675321
>>10675328
lafferty gets 5

is it time, lads? is it finally time to test my might against the final boss of science fiction?

[Anonymous No.10675371]

>>10671698
It was written way before 2000 though.

[Anonymous No.10675379]

>>10671698
Mercedes Lackey has like 200 books with telepathic horses

[Anonymous No.10675414]

>>10671698
firebringer
the dark portal

[Anonymous No.10675423]

>>10671698
Redwall? Is Redwall anthro?

[Anonymous No.10675438]

I ask thee:

Can a man write cyberpunk without extensive scientific knowledge?

[Anonymous No.10675450]

>>10675438
sure, just be yourself

[Anonymous No.10675451]

>>10675438
Cyberpunk is just technology is more advanced but capitalism's inequality has gotten worse

So long as you fit that framework you don't really need any specialist knowledge although reading more stuff always helps

[Anonymous No.10675455]

>>10675438
sure but it probably wont be interesting.
you can notice if an author actually knows about the subject matter he writes about. its reflected in the work and enriches the work a great deal.

[Anonymous No.10675471]

>>10675451
>but capitalism's inequality has gotten worse
Less soy please.

[Anonymous No.10675473]

>>10675455
How you write it without a science degree then genius?

[Anonymous No.10675490]

>>10675471
>>10675473
lol you're clearly too much of a retard to right anything interesting at this point in your life

read more and practice writing if you really want to do it and maybe you'll be capable in about ten years

[Anonymous No.10675500]

>>10675490
How about I take a photo right now of my notes and see how fucking unready I am shall we?

[Anonymous No.10675502]

>>10671968
the tv series is decent tv, starts off quite well but the second half is irritatingly predictable.

>>10672089
assassin' apprentice is an excellent novel. Make sure you read the sequels and novels set in the same universe. They're all intertwined makes for great worldbuilding

[Anonymous No.10675505]

>>10675473
by doing research.
you dont need a science degree to know and understand how electricity works.
you dont need a masters degree to know programming.
you also dont need to be an all knowing good to know physics.
dedicate some time to research and learning.
email any author they will tell you the same.
if they dont know about a subject they will research it until they understand it sufficiently. well the good authors anyways.

[Anonymous No.10675509]

>>10675500
you clearly dont belong here or anywhere near any books or the writing profession.

[Anonymous No.10675518]

>>10675509
Don't write me off just yet Buffalo.

[Anonymous No.10675522]

>>10672688
>all these suggestions
>nobody mentions the ancient meme Blindsight
baka

[Anonymous No.10675533]

>>10675069
Yeah publication numbers doubled over the last decade.

Teens have a lot of free time and books are generally fairly affordable for their budgets. And parents are more likely to buy books than video games or other pastimes.

Though, 70% of young adult books are purchased by adults, according to some industry stuff I've seen. I'd liken it to the popularity of LNs in Japan: The books are easy reads and are broadly inoffensive, so what appeals to teens also appeals to busy adults.

>>10675438
Gibson wrote Neuromancer on a typewriter and didn't own a computer until a few years after it was published. IIRC there's a interview where he said he was really disappointed to get a Apple and open it up and find that the memory is just a spinning disc and not some cool cyber crystals or something.

Second, cyberpunk is generally not a very scientific genre. It's generally more about the social implications of technological growth and the ever-widening gap between the rich and everybody else.

[Anonymous No.10675536]

Is the stormilight archives considered YA? Reading this book, the way its written seems very simple and easy. I feel odd as a 23 year old man reading this shit lol but I got the hardcover for book one for cheap and might as well read it. Even if it im going at a pace of like 20 pgs. A day before I put it down.

[Anonymous No.10675575]

>>10675533
>disappointed to get a Apple and open it up and find that the memory is just a spinning disc and not some cool cyber crystals or something.
But cool cyber crystals are the next step. After solid state memory has run it's course, the next step is crystals and lasers.

[Anonymous No.10675586]

>>10675358
Why are there so many (one) star wars fags in the general?

[Anonymous No.10675588]

what books should I get to christen my new e-reader lads?

[Anonymous No.10675601]

>>10675451
Iron Gold has a cyberpunk feel to it.

[Anonymous No.10675605]

>>10675536
No it's not. To use another example Hemmmmingway is simple and easy but he's obviously not for kids

Sanderson is simplistic at the best of times but it's drastically different in style and tone from his actual YA writing. He's often described as anime in here and that kind of fits, he writes some mature (but never sexual) themes into some of his work but he still reads like he's writing a cartoon

[Anonymous No.10675625]

>>10675536
not really, they are not very dense, but deal with more mature themes than your average YA fare. sanderson appears to at least done wikipedia level of research about philosophy and morals. length is another factor, i suppose. mistborn is probably more YA.
they are very "anime", especially comes through in combat and power development.

[Anonymous No.10675671]

>>10675536

[Anonymous No.10675700]

>>10675536
>YA
the books are like 1,200 pages long, my man.

[Anonymous No.10675731]

>>10675700
>this
Kids don't have long attention spans.

[Anonymous No.10675743]

>>10675731
Apparently they have a long enough attention span to read the entire Harry Potter series.

[Anonymous No.10675772]

>>10675423
yes

[Anonymous No.10676026]

>>10675490
Capitalism literally created the middle class.

[Anonymous No.10676144]

I gotta say I love these stories like Dune and Book of the New Sun that take place in the far future where society has become so indistinguishable that it seem like earth society never happened.

[Anonymous No.10676296]

>>10670097
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Quantum Prophecy
Worm

[Anonymous No.10676307]

Stop reading books

[Anonymous No.10676313]

>>10676307
no

[Anonymous No.10676320]

>>10676313
Please

[Anonymous No.10676326]

>>10676307
How will I get my milf fix then? If I stop

[Anonymous No.10676334]

How did you guys feel about the three body trilogy? I personally liked it a lot and would like some recommendations of stuff similar to or maybe better than it. I can't really quite pin down what exactly I like about it though. Maybe it's just the setting, or how the characters interacted in light of near annihilation

[Anonymous No.10676375]

>>10676334
Cixin Liu is quite similar in style to Arthur C. Clarke. See pic related; those books are all solid recs although I'm also fond of The Songs of Distant Earth. However, they lack of the scale of Three Body Problem.

Stephen Baxter's Xeelee books have some similarity to TBP, although they're more old-school. "Vacuum Diagrams" is a collection of short stories that basically give an overview of the whole story universe. Most chapters in Vacuum Diagrams have a corresponding full-length novel.

Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space books are a somewhat updated version of Xeelee, although with less focus on aliens and generally a little less outlandish.

There are some very amusing parallels between John C. Wright's Count to a Trillion series and The Three Body Problem, and I'm working on laying them out in more detail. However, Liu and Wright are very, very different authors.

Wright also wrote Awake in the Night Land, which I'd recommend if you like reading about characters facing the prospect of inevitable, total annihilation of their civilization. It's much more accessible than the novel it's based on: The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson.

[Anonymous No.10676380]

>>10676375

[Anonymous No.10676495]

>>10675671
jej at the gondola spren

[Anonymous No.10676528]

>>10676326
who is that?

[Anonymous No.10676572]

Who was the arsehole that recomended this piece of shit?

I’m gonna kick your ass.

[Anonymous No.10676582]

>>10676572
>deleting fucking nothing

[Anonymous No.10676601]

>>10676572
You better not have meant to post something I recommended, you cocksucker.

[Anonymous No.10676637]

Who was the arsehole that recommended this piece of shite?

I'm gonna kick your ass

[Anonymous No.10676641]

Wasn't me

[Anonymous No.10676726]

>>10676637
>tricked into reading fantasoy
Come on, son.

[Anonymous No.10677042]

>>10675605
Never sexual? Did you even read Oathbringer? At one point Dalinar copped a titty, and there's been like 3 uncovered safehands.

[Anonymous No.10677044]

>>10675502
I'll definitely pick up the sequels right away. Worldbuilding so far has been pretty lacking in everything but the mountain kingdom. But it seems like book one was mostly just getting the childhood stuff out of the way and ramping up to more serious matters.

[Anonymous No.10677072]

>>10676637
Yep, it was pretty bad. I too fell for the meme. Rumor is the second book is even worse.

[Anonymous No.10677080]

>>10674817
>if a book is not intellectually stimulating it is shit
That's some outer lit pretentious bullshit right there. Besides, the book had maybe 3 or 4 sex scenes, not unlike the meme of thrones.

[Anonymous No.10677138]

Critically acclaimed my ass. I managed to read one chapter before giving up.

[Anonymous No.10677193]

>>10676375
>>10676380
Many thanks my man, I'll try to get started on those

[Anonymous No.10677222]

>>10677138
It's critically acclaimed because the author is a Korean tranny, not because it's good.

[Anonymous No.10677358]

>>10673737
A wild ride from start to finish

[Anonymous No.10677409]

>>10676726
I read Prince of Thorns over some fag's rec. He got off easy

[Anonymous No.10677574]

>>10677409
tbf it kinda pays off by the third book. Not worth reading that long for it to happen though

Lawrence got much better with his second series and his new book is even better than that. I'm amazed that I like him now given how much PoT sucked

[Anonymous No.10677716]

>>10675522
watts is no meme, heathen

[Anonymous No.10677957]

>>10667435
So Sparta came out on top by losing the race, so that Latro's "owner" Pausanias could forge strong bonds by chasing after the Phoenicians Latro frees and comes out smelling like roses, while Themistocles of Athens is ruined when he should have come to glory through the chariot. Artemis is on the ship with Latro, reformed. I was saying Latro is actually an avatar of Pleistorus and Ahura Mazda, and the peace he will forge now that Sparta has been slightly "redeemed" (remember the Great Mother promises her mycenaean slaves that they will triumph by granting Sparta, their owners, even FURTHER victories, so that Pausanias might come to glory and betray the war-like ideals of Sparta. The dream when Latro grabs back war and his domain over it from Pasicrates is pivotal to his desire to break free - the Spartans have a tradition of chaining a statue of Ares so that he cannot leave Lacadeamonia. The whole theme here is that you have to lose to win and you have to die to live forever, and Latro/ the monotheistic Ahura Mazda will redeem the pagan world when the Pax Roman comes ("fell ares quits the war proud throng" in the pythian ode Latro recites to join the games) - see the last line - he is headed to syracuse, the precinct of Ares. Rome will bring peace and discipline to war, with the Thracians and Spartans losing province over it, and only then can Christ be born.

[Anonymous No.10677965]

>>10667435
No, rape certainly wasn't his crime.

[Anonymous No.10677975]

>>10667435
And it is my long held belief that you can't understand Wolfe without [spoilers] Christianity and its appropriation of the pagan https://youtu.be/T1_Dp44lfsQ /spoilers]

[Anonymous No.10678024]

>>10674315
The Rifters series by Peter Watts is deep sea related, but a lot of it happens on dry land.

[Anonymous No.10678045]

I've finished The Iron Dragon's Daughter and almost finished The Dragons of Babel.
Does anyone know similar novels?

[Anonymous No.10678083]

>>10676637
hey man, if you didn't like that then you should totally check out Theft of Swords by the same author. it might tickle your fancy more

[Anonymous No.10678140]

>>10678045
What did you like about it?

[Anonymous No.10678171]

>>10678140
The strangeness mostly, it just felt so different. The quasi-scifi/fantasy setting was also really cool
And in the Iron Dragon's Daughter the struggle against God.

[Anonymous No.10678325]

How do you walk the line between writing a book that is dense but makes people want to reread and actually figure things out, versus a book that's just overwrought and confusing?

[Anonymous No.10678344]

just finished Hyperion based on someone's recommendation itt
it was far above expectations, a wonderful book
next book I read will definitely be Fall of Hyperion

[Anonymous No.10678372]

>>10670838
The original book by hodgeson is kind of disappointingly written. He has the same turn of the century writing style of Lovecraft and those guys, but not even as compelling as them (and Lovecraft's writing wasn't great). I would avoid his version.

Luckily there is another version written quite a bit later which is much shorter, and actually has dialogue and is much more accessible. This isn't a case of "losing some original meaning" or something from not reading the original, the original is just kind of bollocks.

[Anonymous No.10678418]

>>10678344
Yeah Hyperion is excellent, pretty much one of the only universally loved books I've heard of.
Fall is terrific as well.

[Anonymous No.10678449]

>>10678344
Ilium is his best work.

[Anonymous No.10678537]

Do you think Neil Gaiman is addicted to writing blurbs on books?

[Anonymous No.10678547]

>>10677138
Literally the only people I've seen complain about the book are those who either hate Warhammer 40k style stuff, or a brainlets who need a 5 paragraph David Weber dissertation whenever a new term is mentioned.

So which are you?

[Anonymous No.10678609]

>>10676026
The Black Death, the Enlightenment, and revolutionary movements throughout Europe and the Americas, created the middle class. Capitalism / Liberalism came as a revolutionary system, opposed to the much more authoritarian, much more elitist system of Feudalism. However, capitalism retained many of the contradictions inherent in Feudalism—the constrained power of ownership of private property.

[Anonymous No.10678863]

How would The Belgariad rate compared to Malazan and other /sffg/-type series?

[Anonymous No.10678936]

>>10678863
I like it but other people (plebs) will tell you that it's generic and for children, because they take everything at face value.

[Anonymous No.10678958]

>>10678936
Why are they wrong? Not saying you're lying but those plebs echo my own annoyance with a lot of so-called "high-fantasy" literature. Is it along the lines of Wheel of Time? Or is it ASOIAF-tier? Could you please compare it to anything similar?

[Anonymous No.10679151]

So I'm just over half way through this... does it get any better? I thought this series was supposed to improve after the shitshow that was the first book, and there is a bit of an improvement, but it's still far from good.

So many nonsensical characters that none can be developed with any significant depth... seemingly random bullshit world building that tries to be overly epic but just comes off as contrived... tries to be super edgy, IE " it looks like a gazillion people suffered and died for about gazillion years here and now we must channel their suffering" or some shit almost every chapter... everything is just magic and arbitrary so nothing has to actually make any sense

Is there any point in continuing?

[Anonymous No.10679265]

>>10679151
How far along are you?

You probably feel about the novel the same as I do, so you may just stop reading.

[Anonymous No.10679272]

>>10679265
I'm about 550 pages into Deadhouse gates. I shudder to think that I still have 400 fucking pages left of this shit... I never drop a book before finishing it but I just might make an exception this time

[Anonymous No.10679411]

how come /lit/ is such a bad place to discover books that are actually fun to read? I admit I do not often come to this board but that's because so far I haven't gotten a single book that I enjoyed out of it while some other boards have made some great recs

must be because I have unusual preferences apparently and people here care more about appearance than substance

[Anonymous No.10679426]

>>10679411
read the Quantum Thief and stop complaining

[Anonymous No.10679437]

Should I include mobile suit style mecha in my sci-fi story? It can work without them but I like giant robots. The setting itself is a bit of a UC ripoff.

[Anonymous No.10679453]

>>10679411
did you read botns yet

[Anonymous No.10679462]

>>10679426
>Jean le Flambeur gets up in the morning and has to kill himself before his other self can kill him first
That sounds very stupid. But okay. I will give the book a try.

>>10679453
What is botns? I have read very very few books.

[Anonymous No.10679498]

>>10679462
>What is botns? I have read very very few books.
Book of the New Sun. It's about a torturer's adventure to find himself and along the way he has a lot of wacky adventures and meets wacky characters. It's pretty obscure its no wonder you haven't heard of it.

[Anonymous No.10679552]

>>10678537
yes, he has a problem. same for stephen king and grrmartin

[Anonymous No.10679649]

>>10679151
If you didn't like the first one don't continue...

[Anonymous No.10679650]

>>10678537
My theory is that he's in an abusive poly relationship with basically every publisher in the world. They keep asking and he just does not know how to say no.

[Anonymous No.10679731]

>>10679411
>and people here care more about appearance than substance
The problem is the absolute best that fantasy and sci-fi has to offer was written decades ago and most of /sffg/ are youngshits who will never actually read the classics and will only recommend new shit that is either mediocre or outright garbage.

Or you could just be a faggot who will never be satisfied reading anything cause you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.10679735]

>>10678609
Capitalism created the middle class just like how it did in China.

[Anonymous No.10679891]

>>10679731
or maybe everyone has already read or at least heard of Dune, Foundation, the Culture, Ringworld, Neuromancer, Starship Troopers, Old Man's War, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, 2001, Androids, Ubik, etc. etc. so repeating the same 10 authors again and again gets pretty old?

[Anonymous No.10679907]

>>10679731
>>10679891
also many of the tropes from the classics aren't as fresh as they were in the 40s-80s

[Anonymous No.10679912]

currently reading Children of Time.
thoughts on the book?

[Anonymous No.10679948]

>>10679912
what do YOU think about it so far?

[Anonymous No.10679966]

>>10679731
For sci-fi the age matters a lot. I don't know why but writers 50 or even 20 years ago had extremely stupid sci-fi ideas and many still do even up to this day. Sci-fi takes more intelligence to write than other genres as well as some basic knowledge about technology and physics, which clearly most authors lack.

The problem with sci-fi is that people try to be realistic in a retarded way. Just write fantasy instead of sci-fi.

[clark No.10679971]

About to finish the third book in the Prince of Nothing series. How does the Aspect-Emperor series shape up?

I'd say I have a love-hate relationship with Bakker. Not that many likable characters, too many characters that I don't give a shit about (as a result of rough world-building or lack of concentration on my part). Akka is pretty cool, and I like the series as a whole after reading book 3. Still on the fence and might swing over to some sweet sweet non-fiction for a bit, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.10680125]

Just got my copy of The Thousand Names in the mail, what am I in for?

[Anonymous No.10680150]

>>10679151
Aren't you the same guy who pretends to read this series and then shitposts about it every month or so? Cause I swear I've read this exact post like 4 times already over the last year.

[Anonymous No.10680152]

>>10680125
How did they fit the authors name on the front cover?

[Anonymous No.10680186]

>>10680152
They abbreviated it to only two of his names.

[Anonymous No.10680194]

>>10678547
Probably both to be honest.

[Anonymous No.10680250]

>>10679948
So gooooooooooooooood

[Anonymous No.10680335]

>>10676637
>see the thumbnail
>think of that stupid fucking attempted forced meme shit on /v/ with the tree and being 25+

[Anonymous No.10680403]

>>10680335
for the non-brainlets who don't go to /v/ what meme are you talking about

[Anonymous No.10680444]

>>10680403
>non-brainlet
>can't lurk more
hashtag whoa

[Anonymous No.10680465]

>>10680444
if you weren't a brainlet to begin with lurking on /v/ is bound to turn you into one

[Anonymous No.10680859]

>>10679966
>writers 50 or even 20 years ago had extremely stupid sci-fi ideas

Honestly a lot of old scifi authors were basically just writing Medium/Vox think-pieces and then crafting a barebones futurist story around the idea.

[Anonymous No.10681278]

>>10679151
Honestly, if it weren't for Karsa Orlong, the chain of dogs, and the clusterfuck at Raraku I'd say just move on to the next book

[Anonymous No.10682547]

>>10667398
>Just played through the entire Master Chief Collection today

>Goddamn it, now I want to re-read Protector and The Ringworld books again

>Have a pile of unread books to get to though

Convince me to not do it guys.. Also, what are some other good "mysterious superstructure in space" kinds of books? I've read the Rama stuff already.

[Anonymous No.10682551]

>>10667398
What are the BEST space war/invasion of Earth books?

[Anonymous No.10682567]

>>10673312
Honestly, I haven't bothered to read beyond Messiah.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I really like Dune Messiah.

[Anonymous No.10682569]

>>10682547
>Also, what are some other good "mysterious superstructure in space" kinds of books?

Tsutomu Nihei's Blame!

Vertical just finished releasing the series in six volumes.

[Anonymous No.10682585]

>>10682569
Ehhh... I don't like manga. Thanks for the recommendation though.

[Anonymous No.10682600]

>>10682547
have you read Ringworld? it's the go to classic for mysterious superstructure in space
it's like the Halos but bigger

[Anonymous No.10682609]

>>10682600
>have you read Ringworld?

Did...Did you even read my post?

[Anonymous No.10682625]

>>10682609
tbqhwyl I didn't
have you read any of the Heritage books (first one is Summertide)?

[Anonymous No.10682633]

>>10682625
Nah, I haven't.

[Anonymous No.10682639]

>>10682633
I've only read the first two and it's many years since but they also fit the bill
they're also decent enough books

[Anonymous No.10682647]

>>10682547
>Syfy Ringworld TV series never fucking EVER.

[Anonymous No.10682763]

>>10670832
That's because Kothe is an unreliable narrator

[Anonymous No.10682766]

Why is Gardens of the Moon so shitty?
All I can read is 20 pages before I give up

[Anonymous No.10682773]

>>10682766
It tries too hard to lay the groundwork for too many thing at once, and just ends up looking like a clusterfuck

[Anonymous No.10682783]

>>10682773
Is it worth to keep going?

[Anonymous No.10682803]

>>10682783
If you can slog it out until book 2, it gets easier to read
By then you could probably decide whether or not it's contrived garbage with no entertaining characters
I made it through books 1-10 and I'd give the series a 5.5/10 or so

[Anonymous No.10682808]

>>10682803
I will try.
Its just that I only like reading one book at a time, so while Im stuck with this one I wont be reading anything else.
I have been trying for a month, so my reading is pretty much stagnant

[Anonymous No.10682814]

>>10682808
Could drop it for now, maybe you'll feel randomly tenacious in the future about reading it

[Anonymous No.10682816]

>>10682814
It would be the first fantasy book I drop.
I've read so much praise about the book, got hyped too. What a disappointment

[Anonymous No.10682832]

>>10682547
Alastair Reynolds has some, though the structures aren't in until nearing the end of the book usually. Revelations Space, Pushing Ice, the second and third books in the Poseidon's Children trilogy to some extent.

For something a little different I recommend Senlin Ascends, the superstructure in this one is the tower of Babel and it's great.

[Anonymous No.10682888]

i'm not sure if this counts as sff but i think it does. has anyone read it?

i haven't, but i'm very curious about it and would like to know how the book is regarded by the patricians of /sffg/

[Anonymous No.10682950]

>>10682647
Amazon is adapting it along with Snow Crash.

[Anonymous No.10683010]

>>10682888
I just started reading it actually. Haven't really gotten far enough to make any sort of judgement about it though.

[Anonymous No.10683026]

>>10682888
I've been meaning to read it for more than a year, but it always gets lost in the backlog.

[Anonymous No.10683034]

>>10667398
Thinking about starting the Wheel of Time series. Does the quality of the books get better or worse over time, or are there any dips throughout the series? I want to know if reading the first one will give me a good impression of the rest of the series.

[Anonymous No.10683057]

>>10683034
Definitely dips in quality for one or two of the books just after the halfway point
But the finishing stretch by Branderson is fairly consistent

[Anonymous No.10683106]

>>10683034
starts slow, gets a lot better, peaks at maybe book 5, gradual decline from there until sanderson -- hard to say after that, sanderson is polarising in my experience

[Anonymous No.10683123]

>>10683034
almost every female in this series is an annoying cunt
and there are A LOT of females in it

[Anonymous No.10683146]

After reading Book Of The New Sun and enjoying it (I have long sun + urth on their way), I want to try out some more /lit/ approved fantasy so Gardens of the Moon is the next step right?

[Anonymous No.10683203]

>>10683123
>almost every female in this series is an annoying cunt

So women are portrayed realistically?

[Anonymous No.10683264]

>>10682551
War of the worlds

[Anonymous No.10683272]

>>10677072
The retarded girl invents the wheel.

[Anonymous No.10683293]

>>10682950
I despise Snow Crash

[Anonymous No.10683838]

>>10679971
>About to finish the third book in the Prince of Nothing series. How does the Aspect-Emperor series shape up?
Not as good as the first at its height but more solid all around I'd say.

>I'd say I have a love-hate relationship with Bakker. Not that many likable characters, too many characters that I don't give a shit about (as a result of rough world-building or lack of concentration on my part). Akka is pretty cool, and I like the series as a whole after reading book 3. Still on the fence and might swing over to some sweet sweet non-fiction for a bit, I don't know.
I'd say the characters in Aspect Emperor are more likeable and the roughest parts of the world building are out of the way. Give it a go.

[Anonymous No.10683900]

Just read this in a couple of days because I'm a slut for new releases.

Whilst I normally love smaller scale fantasy I kinda felt like the scope held the book back, given certain unavoidable bits of info the name of the series and the power of the main character you know pretty much where you're going to end up after about 100 pages and yet it's a 500 page or so book IIRC.

Focusing on Tribal politics and life is fairly unique but honestly there's not a lot going on here, the most exciting parts of the book all concern magic and it's really not the focus for most of the time.

Anyone read anything else by Salvatore? I've not consciously avoided him before but I've never read him, and whilst this book didn't really impress me there's enough there to think he might be interesting writing a more uptempo story.

[Anonymous No.10683986]

>>10683272
He isn't retarded. She has extreme autism and was diddled as a kiddle

[Anonymous No.10683988]

>>10683900
>female protagonist

[Anonymous No.10683991]

>>10683988
It's alright she gets raped you weirdos will love that

[Anonymous No.10684014]

>>10683986
A 14 girl invents writing.

[Anonymous No.10684030]

>>10683991
Nah, that's the type of 'men are bad' demon cycle shite I was expecting.

[Anonymous No.10684242]

>>10684014
I dropped the series after book 2. Will still recommend the Riyria books though.

[Anonymous No.10684334]

>>10683988
croak yourself froggy.

[Anonymous No.10684354]

Besides Gene Wolfe's works what are some great sffg novels with a very strong catholic influence? (And besides Tolkien)

[Anonymous No.10684444]

>>10684354
R. A. Lafferty was a notable Papist

[Anonymous No.10684495]

>>10667398
>>10672326
>>10672448
>>10673201
>Stop having consciousness

[Anonymous No.10684509]

>>10684495
"No!"

[Anonymous No.10684515]

>>10684495
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Watts' ideas of consciousness failing to be born out by modern neuroscience research?

[Anonymous No.10684553]

>>10683988
what's wrong with female protagonists? they are often less cringy than male ones

[Anonymous No.10684588]

>>10684553
>he doesn't hate women
>>>/r/books

[Anonymous No.10684612]

>>10684553
There's like 5 posters here that try to kick off politics shitposting, that's all they're doing

[Anonymous No.10684613]

>>10675438
Just focus on themes. Some people might care about how the hacker was able to hack the police guns to not fire, but to others that move would be swiftly be overshadowed by the cop promptly pulling out an unregulated antique .44 Magnum, an interesting clash of classic against the prevailing modern society.

[Anonymous No.10684656]

does anyone just buy a book from the shelves without researching
any luck with that or no

[Anonymous No.10684727]

What did we think?

[Anonymous No.10684773]

>>10684588
only real ones

jokes aside, I love strong female protagonists as long as they fit my definition of strong. that means no thots but competent, smart, assertive and full of integrity

[Anonymous No.10684782]

>>10684656
I bought a book because some guy on /a/ said it was good
It hasn't disappointed me

[Anonymous No.10684796]

>>10684782
was it akira

[Anonymous No.10684830]

>>10684796
Nah it was the three body problem
I got hooked and bought the next two in the series as soon as I saw them
Guy said it was some GATE-like scenario where people get trounced by technologically superior enemies that are barely even trying, but I found it to be much better and a lot more insightful

[Anonymous No.10684847]

>>10684830
>Guy said it was some GATE-like scenario where people get trounced by technologically superior enemies that are barely even trying, but I found it to be much better and a lot more insightful
lel that's possibly the worst possible description of what that series is about, literally brainlet tier

I think Cixin Liu and Peter Watts tie for writing the most interesting / plausible first-contact sci-fi stories

[Anonymous No.10684883]

>>10684847
I won't disagree, it was vastly underselling the book. But if it weren't for that retarded post I wouldn't have checked it out. I'll go ahead and check out Peter Watts, as well. Hope blindsight scratches the same itches

[Anonymous No.10684889]

>>10684727
we didn't

[Anonymous No.10684899]

>>10684773
Strong female character should strictly mean a female character with strong writing behind her, not necessarily just "woman that is strong". I enjoy reading about interesting fuckups at least as much if not more than reading about competent people

[Anonymous No.10684900]

>>10684847
No Alastair Reynolds or John C Wright? :(

[Anonymous No.10684906]

>>10684847
>Cixin
How is this pronounced?

[Anonymous No.10684922]

>>10684899
well I don't enjoy reading about failures, degenerates and idiots

you can have competent characters and still have them struggle through a lot of hardship

>>10684656
>he buys books
well maybe I will once I have settled down somewhere, I will buy my favorite books. but I would never buy a book without having tried it before

[Anonymous No.10684940]

>>10684922
>well I don't enjoy reading about failures, degenerates and idiots
I don't exclusively, that would be boring. But you have to have some.

[Anonymous No.10684958]

>>10684906
I'm not Chinese but I imagine it's pronounced Sheshin long e
Either that or shichin

[Anonymous No.10684983]

>>10673737

[Anonymous No.10684996]

>>10684922
How poor are you if you will only buy books you've read?

[Anonymous No.10685006]

>>10684983
>Robert Jordan needs an editor like a bukkake girl needs a wet nap
#J.R.RTOLDkien

[Anonymous No.10685011]

>>10684958
>>10684906
am chink, the word ci is hard to describe in english letters, just google translate it and use the listen button to hear it

[Anonymous No.10685019]

>>10685011
>am chink, the word ci is hard to describe in english letters,
Do we not have the phoneme?

>just google translate it and use the listen button to hear it
I don't know how to put chink runes into google translate.

[Anonymous No.10685041]

>>10684883
I think Blindsight definitely captures the idea that aliens are vastly different than we could ever really imagine, so in that sense it's similar to Three Body Problem. It also has a hard sci-fi feel. It's a bit of a dense read by comparison though, not a book that's suited to speedreading.

>>10685019
>Do we not have the phoneme?
I don't think so, anyways. It's kinda like a sibilant "tsss" sound but with rising tone.
>I don't know how to put chink runes into google translate.
When I'm too lazy to switch to chinese keyboard or I know the pronunciation but not which characters, I just look at the Wikipedia page and usually you can find the chinese characters on there, then just copy paste.

[Anonymous No.10685060]

Just finished pic related.

I found a copy somewhere, and figured I re-read it, considering I seemed to enjoy it when I was a kid.

I never realized how mean spirited all of the "good" characters were. Also, I am completely convinced that Brian Jacques was completely stoned when he wrote portions of this, because the sense of scale is completely fucked. (And of course, the scale issue is fixed in all the other books.)

It's definitely a YA series, but I feel like it's intelligent YA, so it's not above scrutiny.

>The Abbot tells Matthius at the beginning of the book that he cannot follow his own dreams because he owes his fealty to Redwall (AKA, The Abbot).
>The Abbot allows Cluny and his rats to retreat without anyone pursuing them, basically antagonizing them and puprosefully prolonging the fight between them.
>Constance chokes and beats several unarmed, unaware rats without even confirming that they're doing anything untoward.
>Matthius basically tortures Warbeak and drags her around... For what reason I'm not completely sure.

[Anonymous No.10685078]

>>10684996
not poor but I dont want to pay for something I dont enjoy and support

[Anonymous No.10685083]

So it seems like pewdipie was lurking in our midst for sometime now.. He got recommendations from us, and did a book review on theme.

Don't know how I feel about this.

[Anonymous No.10685092]

>>10684656
Every single week. Criteria as follows.
Cover catgirl: insta buy
Published by Baen: big plus
Anthology: big plus
Cover blurb by Cherryh: plus
All around cool cover: plus

R. Scott Bakker: Not with a ten foot pole
Published after 2000: big minus
Edgy dude with weapon cover: big minus

These have served me well.

[Anonymous No.10685101]

>>10685083
>Giving a fuck about what some greasy fag on youtube does.

[Anonymous No.10685105]

>>10685092
Don't lie catfag. You like your post 2000 gri catgirl rape, and don't try to deny it.
Litrpg is infested with catgirls, and I know you read those.

[Anonymous No.10685116]

>>10685101
He is a greasy pol fag. He could be the one trying to always instigate shit.

[Anonymous No.10685128]

>>10685105
When will Bakker introduce the catgirl race?

[Anonymous No.10685143]

>>10673926
>Django Wexler
>Django
kek

[Anonymous No.10685151]

>>10685105
>You like your post 2000 gri catgirl rape, and don't try to deny it.
I don't think I've ready any. If the catgirl isn't having any fun then I'm probably not either.
>Litrpg is infested with catgirls, and I know you read those.
I can't recall reading a single Litrpg.

[Anonymous No.10685178]

>>10685060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKE4fV4ZKKY

[Anonymous No.10685185]

>>10685083
You say this because?

[Anonymous No.10685195]

If the Inchoroi are a weapon race then how do they have souls?

[Anonymous No.10685201]

>>10684922
>well I don't enjoy reading about failures, degenerates and idiots
>Claudius isn't his favourite emperor

[Anonymous No.10685211]

>>10685195
they genetically engineered souls into themselves.

[Anonymous No.10685233]

>>10685195
They're only sort of a weapon race. They're directly taken from the stock of their progenitor race. They've just been modified into a warrior caste. They're not entirely synthetic so much as designer babies. They did this instead of creating entirely artificial soulless beings because it would ensure they kept on mission. Being damned is a fantastic motivator.

Now here's the big question. The Inchoroi were not actually originally in charge. The Ark was. Therefore, are we to assume that the Ark likewise had a soul?

[Anonymous No.10685254]

>>10683900
>Tribal
Dropped

[Anonymous No.10685376]

>>10679912
Good up to 2/3. The ending sucked. It's literally the power of friendship.

[Anonymous No.10685429]

>>10683272
The anachronism is so fucking stupid. There's this bunch of villages, who share a language and have some degree of connection to each other. They are all tribal, but settled. And just across the river there's this mighty empire with gods who can create mountains and live thousands of years. The implications are clear, one kingdom that has survived thousands of years (after all, if one individual lives for 2000 years, the kingdom must be much much older) while knowing all sorts of things, including: writing, wheels, metalworking, etc... and just across the river there is this other """kingdom""" who probably has existed about as long, yet they don't know any of this? All it takes to invent writing is knowing it exists! All it takes to invent a wheel is seeing one. It's all fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.10685443]

>>10684553
Nothing against females, but in my experience they make the worst characters.

[Anonymous No.10685468]

>>10685429
insert /pol/ joke about sub-Saharan Africa here

[Anonymous No.10685575]

>>10684656
All the time since the ending of the last year in Amazon's kindle unlimited. Lots of shit, but they are easily recognizable (anything that says litrpg) and if the first few pages are bad, no money was wasted, I just skip to the ending, rate it badly, and return it. My latest success was this here: >>10672556, which is the only one I can honestly recommend, the others were iffy at best.

[Anonymous No.10685587]

>>10684983
I haven't read it, I thought it was pretty well liked round here though.

[Anonymous No.10685617]

>>10685587
It's legitimately terrible and the only reason anyone likes it is because they first read it when they were 12 and their standards were low.

[Anonymous No.10685709]

>>10678045
>I've finished The Iron Dragon's Daughter and almost finished The Dragons of Babel.
>Does anyone know similar novels?
Have you read "The Bridge" by Iain Banks?

[Anonymous No.10685713]

>>10682763
Not the anon you responded to, but I totally agree with him being an unreliable narrator. I would also consider his infatuation with Deena to be a huge flaw for Kvothe.

[Anonymous No.10685722]

>>10685709
Nope, but I now I will.

[Anonymous No.10685739]

>>10684727
>What did we think?
Pretty bleak and depressing towards the end. Other than that pretty forgettable. I dont even remember how it ended actually. The spider parts of the story were pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.10685833]

>>10685060
im about halfway through. the good characters can be pretty brutal.
>when methusula and matthias are trying to figure out the riddle he basically tells cornflower to go away cause she'll just be a distraction.
>this after she gets done giving them food and drink
sir basil stag hare is best character

[Anonymous No.10685951]

>>10684354
A Canticle for Leibowitz

[Anonymous No.10686200]

>and then roan invented this
>and then roan invented that
>and then roan invented this
>and then roan improved that

I’m sorry I didn’t listen, this is the biggest steamy pile of shit I’ve read in a while.

[Anonymous No.10686217]

>700 page book about a prostitute in jewish mythology
>it's really good
wasn't expecting this desu

[Anonymous No.10686237]

>>10686217
what book

[Anonymous No.10686243]

>>10686237
kushiel's dart

[Anonymous No.10686282]

>>10678325
>never notice that in depth stuff

[Anonymous No.10686409]

>>10678325
Make it have a tight internal structure and logic to it that at least somewhat relates to a reader's experience.

[Anonymous No.10686749]

How does one go about publishing a scifi and fantasy book?

[Anonymous No.10686857]

>>10684354
Anything John Wright (oddly even the stuff he wrote as an atheist) or Michael Flynn. Eifelheim or Wright's short stories in particular, or Somewhither or Spiral Arm tetralogy more subtly.